Only a nitwit would deny that many successful open source projects that are not GPLed. I would put X at the head of the list. Is the GPL
And X is probably a prime example of software who's progress was hindered by it's choice of licence and would have done better with the GPL (read the recent article on LWN). Note, I'm not disagreeing with you otherwise.
sorry for hijacking this thread, but could you give your opinion on the Vernor vs AutoDesk case, and the "threat" this is supposed to have on Free Software, as PJ on groklaw and more recently Nimmer have been writing. Do you believe that software being sold not licensed poses a significant threat to FOSS?
you're kidding right?! I suggest you pick up a history book. Look at the main people backing Mussolini and Hitler, or the ones profiting from them being in power. It was reach capitalists. Krupp, Siemens, IG Farben... All private companies btw.
Great idea, except for the tiny fact that SWATHS actually have larger drag and maintenance costs than normal catamarans: "The main disadvantages to the SWATH hull form are that they are more expensive than conventional catamarans, require a complex control system, have a deeper draft than catamarans and mono-hulled ships, and a higher maintenance requirement. Furthermore, SWATH vessels can use up to 80% more power than an equivalent catamaran, and are more limited in speed compared to equivalent catamaran vessels." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swath
Rubbish, they can just not use the articles themselves for commercial purposes, i.e. they could not take the article and put it in e.g. a book and then sell that book. They can still use the findings in the articles for whatever way they want. They findings are not under copyright.
I also don't quite see a reason why it should be more difficult to build very high power electric engines than combustion ones.
The problem isn't being able to build the engine -- the problem is having a power source for that engine. If you assume that the typical truck has anywhere from 300 to 650 horsepower that works out to 224 to 485 kilowatts. Do you know of a battery technology (even on the drawing board) that could deliver that type of power in a reasonable weight? I don't.
Well what do you consider reasonable weight. If you think about a truck pulling 40 tonnes, batteries weighing 1-2 tonnes is quite reasonable IMO. The problem is probably more the distance out of one charge, so they would only be feasible for relatively short distances.
Well in Europe (Germany at least) almost all freight trains are pulled by electric engines so it's already been done. I also don't quite see a reason why it should be more difficult to build very high power electric engines than combustion ones.
With respect to trucks, yes for short distances you would probably still need trucks. However for these distances battery powered trucks are probably more feasible. I think I read somewhere that in principle it is actually easier to build electric trucks than cars, because they weight of the battery is a smaller proportion of the overall weight.
Do you see an alternative in the heavy fright industry to natural gas? Mr. Picken's whole point is that you can't drive an 18 wheeler with electric (battery) technology
I wish some people, especially business people, would study more game theory. They would realize that in most situations corporation is more advantageous than confrontation. In the case that you describe if there are several competitors it is better for them to work together on those solutions than to keep them closed. I doubt that leaching is really that advantageous either because you have absolutely no influence on the code so you probably still have to adjust some of it to your needs.
Doesn't this interpretation also apply to two entangled particles separated by a great distance? Couldn't they just be responding to measurements according to the same pre-determined algorithm in their basic nature, without there being any implication for the free will of the observers?
No, because what one observer measures determines what the other one is able to measure no matter how he measures it.
You really haven't understood the physics behind this.
Bohm's idea has never been debunked, and is perfectly logical. Remember, the movement of the planets was also once "unpredictable", and then "mostly predictable but with errors" before we understood the hidden variables. Just because something is currently unpredictable, doesn't make it random.
Yeah except that Bohm's hidden variable theory requires non-local hidden variables that flies into the face of everything we know in physics. It means all particles can exchange information instantaneously, faster than light! This violates relativity! This is why most physicists today have accepted the Copenhagen interpretation.
Repeated throughout the article is the idea that the particle CHOOSES its spin. This is an insane idea. The whole presentation is nuts. Do subatomic particles have free will? What? Does a glass of water have free will? Can you define free will first so that a meaningful discussion can follow?
I agree the choice of the word choose is really unfortunate here.
Because "poking" it changes its spin. NO SHIT. You change the outcome by measuring it. Oh my science! Alert the media! So their idea is that the spin is not predetermined, and therefore determinism is false and we have "free will". Except it STILL doesn't disprove Bohm's conjecture (see start of rant) that there are unknown rules in play.
No "poking" it does not change the spin it determines it. Before poking it it didn't even have a spin. What you have failed to grasp is that the authors have actually offered another interpretation of the hidden-variable vs. undeterminecy debate. If you are not willing to accept non-local variables you have to accept that a hidden-variable is preventing us to measure the state of the spin in ways that would violate the 1-0-1 rule.
I suggest everyone interested in this subject should head over to wikipedia and look up Bell's inequality.
Eugene Island 330 has been cited as an example of abiogenic petroleum origin, which holds that petroleum reservoirs are continuously replenished from inorganic sources deep within the Earth. However, Eugene Island 330's fame comes precisely from its status as an unusual anomaly, rather than being typical of the other 40,000 developed oil fields, and most petroleum scientists believe that the depletion profile is adequately explained by replenishment from deeper reservoirs of normal biologically derived petroleum.
Why is everybody drawing parallels to oil, or say it's better option than burning our oil. Reality check!! We are not burning oil to produce electricity, at least not in large quantities.
Sell out. Patenting the ideas is going to cost you time and money, whereas if they are truly worth the attention of the 'evil corporations' you stand to make a substantial gains from making them available to a company with the required resources to put them to use. Around here a higher than average subset adhere to strange personal religions that financial benefit from your own ingenuity is somehow immoral, and that the world is better off if real companies can't use these ideas and make them a practical reality (but that's ok, some guy sitting in his parents basement will knock off a buggy implementation in 10 years time, for freeeeeee man). You decide which of these outcomes you would rather see.
I can't believe this is modded insightful. You totally missed the point. He doesn't want to prevent any 'evil corporation' from using his idea. He just doesn't want any 'evil corporation' patenting his idea and preventing others including himself from using it in the future. And what is it with you people who discredit everyone who doesn't want to use everything for his own monetary gain?
Nihilists have no problem with executing the 90% of humanity who have any genetic faults to improve the gene pool for the other 10%. They do not see the murder of over five billion people as immoral. Likewise, the theory of evolution does not morally condemn the killing of a lifeform due to natural selection. That is perfectly fine; science is not supposed to pass any moral judgements. However, when you wrongly treat science as if it were a moral philosophy, any action becomes morally permissible, and only results matter.
And how is that better than religious philosophies advocating executing 90% of humanity which do not believe in the true god?
That is exactly what David did, genocide in the name of religion. And he still is a christian hero. So either what he did was wrong, and the Bible is not the truth, or what he did was right, and the Bible is advocating religious genocide. I'd take a nihilist over that any day.
I think it's not necessarily the making something break and then fixing it, what I enjoy about linux. It's the ease of trying out new stuff, and making it work. Try a new window manager, compiz... and you always have to set things up, because it does not work like you want it to work. Linux, or free software in general is perfect for this. There's a universe (even a multiverse if you're using ubuntu) of software around to tinker with it's easy to install and remove. I find myself reading over the projects on freshmeat, for example to see if something catches my interest. The strange thing is, many windows users are exactly the same. They have just not realised how much of a hassle it is to do this stuff on windows compared to linux. i know quite a few people who install all kinds of crap on windows just to try it out. Then they have to find other crappy software to actually get rid of the crap they installed because of the lousy install/uninstall routines. However these guys often are so ingrained in their ways of doing this stuff in windows they often discard linux, because stuff doesn't work the same way. Mind you they still download new linux distros all the time, and actually look at them (all part of that trying out new software tick)
Ha you're from the UK even better. The state which is currently vigorously working on making 1984 a reality. Now there's someone in a glass house throwing stones. Now I actually do agree with some of your points, but you'd be a lot more credible if you wouldn't come across as one of those typical (usually US-based) EU bashers who don't know what they are talking about. And btw, talking about the EU birthday party as being an exceptional propaganda scheme, that's just ridiculous. Sure it is propaganda, but how's that different to the amount to the US July 4th celebrations, the French Bastille day celebrations, or the amount of money spent on the British monarchy, which is let's face it mainly a big propaganda operatus as well.
Maybe you could actually supply some facts to back your claims up? or are you just trolling. BTW according to the Reporters sans frontieres Worldwide Press Freedom Index 2007 (http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24025) almost every EU country ranks in front of the US. Ah but right it rather believe some slashdot troll then one of the most respected freedom of the press monitoring groups in the world.
BTW I'm getting fcking fingerprinted every time I enter the US, so don't give me those stupid finger printing examples.
Sorry messed up the formatting in the last post. About 1.: Well people in the us get asked their ethnicity on a whole lot of forms, is that better than being asked your religion? Apart from that I'm not even 100% sure if you're being asked or if you're a member of either Catholic or Protestant church they'll report that to the government. Note this is not the government who's really behind this scheme, it's the 2 main churches in Germany. They get huge monetary gain from this, because lot's of people are too lazy to resign their church membership. I don't quite know how you say this impedes your freedom though. Note I actually strongly disagree with this practice because I think the government should not collect member fees for any church IMO.
About 2.: Well if you're a Catholic and don't want to pay the member fees (note this really is what it is although it's called a tax) you have to foremost lie to your church, saying you're not a member.
About 3.: True, there are things to be said about this though. Makes getting a bank account a lot easier, etc...
About 4.: Not true. If you're baptised and either did Kommunion, or Konformation (dunno the english names probably similar) you become a member. The thing is most people do that, because you get lot's of presents. Well tough luck it was your decision to become a member so you have to resign.
Note I'm german, although I don't live in Germany. Living in NZ, and don't think I wanna go back to Germany either, because in quite a few ways I have to agree Germany is restrictive, the work attitude is to serious, people are too uptight in general. I also think Germany is developing more and more into a police state. However the US would probably be the last place I would wanna go to. Freedom is a whole lot more restricted in the US, in my experience. Hell the US are leading the pack in the western world in the current restriction of citizen freedoms.
About 1.:
Well people in the us get asked their ethnicity on a whole lot of forms, is that better than being asked your religion?
Apart from that I'm not even 100% sure if you're being asked or if you're a member of either Catholic or Protestant church they'll report that to the government. Note this is not the government who's really behind this scheme, it's the 2 main churches in Germany. They get huge monetary gain from this, because lot's of people are too lazy to resign their church membership. I don't quite know how you say this impedes your freedom though. Note I actually strongly disagree with this practice because I think the government should not collect member fees for any church IMO.
About 2.: Well if you're a Catholic and don't want to pay the member fees (note this really is what it is although it's called a tax) you have to foremost lie to your church, saying you're not a member.
About 3.: True, there are things to be said about this though. Makes getting a bank account a lot easier, etc...
About 4.: Not true. If you're baptised and either did Kommunion, or Konformation (dunno the english names probably similar) you become a member. The thing is most people do that, because you get lot's of presents. Well tough luck it was your decision to become a member so you have to resign.
Note I'm german, although I don't live in Germany. Living in NZ, and don't think I wanna go back to Germany either, because in quite a few ways I have to agree Germany is restrictive, the work attitude is to serious, people are too uptight in general. I also think Germany is developing more and more into a police state. However the US would probably be the last place I would wanna go to. Freedom is a whole lot more restricted in the US, in my experience. Hell the US are leading the pack in the western world in the current restriction of citizen freedoms.
First thing the possibility of objectivity is a myth and if they didn't teach you that at journalism 101 then your class wasn't worth going to. So you say CNN has to protect itself from people perceiving that someone is slanting the news. They do have opinion pieces themselves, how can I be more sure that the guy who's giving the opinion piece does not slant the news, than the guy who writes about his own opinion on a _personal_, I repeat _personal_ blog. How much should corporations be allowed to control the life of their employees outside of work? If we spin your point further we'll end up at modern day slavery. Say you work for BMW, they have a vested interest that people drive their cars. Should they be allowed to fire an employee for driving a different make (provided that driving a BMW is not the purpose of his work). Or lets stay with tv stations, they have an interest that people watch their station, should they be able to fire someone for admitting he/she's watching a different channel, or even just watching a different channel.
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Only a nitwit would deny that many successful open source projects that are not GPLed. I would put X at the head of the list. Is the GPL
And X is probably a prime example of software who's progress was hindered by it's choice of licence and would have done better with the GPL (read the recent article on LWN). Note, I'm not disagreeing with you otherwise.
Hey Bruce,
sorry for hijacking this thread, but could you give your opinion on the Vernor vs AutoDesk case, and the "threat" this is supposed to have on Free Software, as PJ on groklaw and more recently Nimmer have been writing. Do you believe that software being sold not licensed poses a significant threat to FOSS?
Cheers
Cyco
you're kidding right?! I suggest you pick up a history book. Look at the main people backing Mussolini and Hitler, or the ones profiting from them being in power. It was reach capitalists. Krupp, Siemens, IG Farben ... All private companies btw.
Great idea, except for the tiny fact that SWATHS actually have larger drag and maintenance costs than normal catamarans:
"The main disadvantages to the SWATH hull form are that they are more expensive than conventional catamarans, require a complex control system, have a deeper draft than catamarans and mono-hulled ships, and a higher maintenance requirement. Furthermore, SWATH vessels can use up to 80% more power than an equivalent catamaran, and are more limited in speed compared to equivalent catamaran vessels."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swath
J
Rubbish, they can just not use the articles themselves for commercial purposes, i.e. they could not take the article and put it in e.g. a book and then sell that book. They can still use the findings in the articles for whatever way they want. They findings are not under copyright.
I also don't quite see a reason why it should be more difficult to build very high power electric engines than combustion ones.
The problem isn't being able to build the engine -- the problem is having a power source for that engine. If you assume that the typical truck has anywhere from 300 to 650 horsepower that works out to 224 to 485 kilowatts. Do you know of a battery technology (even on the drawing board) that could deliver that type of power in a reasonable weight? I don't.
Well what do you consider reasonable weight. If you think about a truck pulling 40 tonnes, batteries weighing 1-2 tonnes is quite reasonable IMO. The problem is probably more the distance out of one charge, so they would only be feasible for relatively short distances.
Well in Europe (Germany at least) almost all freight trains are pulled by electric engines so it's already been done. I also don't quite see a reason why it should be more difficult to build very high power electric engines than combustion ones.
With respect to trucks, yes for short distances you would probably still need trucks. However for these distances battery powered trucks are probably more feasible. I think I read somewhere that in principle it is actually easier to build electric trucks than cars, because they weight of the battery is a smaller proportion of the overall weight.
Do you see an alternative in the heavy fright industry to natural gas? Mr. Picken's whole point is that you can't drive an 18 wheeler with electric (battery) technology
Mmmh, I was always wondering what they were doing with these things:
http://www.geocities.com/joachimbiemann/pb/hgk-145a.jpg
but yeah you must be right that can't use those for the heavy fright industry
I wish some people, especially business people, would study more game theory. They would realize that in most situations corporation is more advantageous than confrontation. In the case that you describe if there are several competitors it is better for them to work together on those solutions than to keep them closed. I doubt that leaching is really that advantageous either because you have absolutely no influence on the code so you probably still have to adjust some of it to your needs.
Doesn't this interpretation also apply to two entangled particles separated by a great distance? Couldn't they just be responding to measurements according to the same pre-determined algorithm in their basic nature, without there being any implication for the free will of the observers?
No, because what one observer measures determines what the other one is able to measure no matter how he measures it.
You really haven't understood the physics behind this.
Bohm's idea has never been debunked, and is perfectly logical. Remember, the movement of the planets was also once "unpredictable", and then "mostly predictable but with errors" before we understood the hidden variables. Just because something is currently unpredictable, doesn't make it random.
Yeah except that Bohm's hidden variable theory requires non-local hidden variables that flies into the face of everything we know in physics. It means all particles can exchange information instantaneously, faster than light! This violates relativity! This is why most physicists today have accepted the Copenhagen interpretation.
Repeated throughout the article is the idea that the particle CHOOSES its spin. This is an insane idea. The whole presentation is nuts. Do subatomic particles have free will? What? Does a glass of water have free will? Can you define free will first so that a meaningful discussion can follow?
I agree the choice of the word choose is really unfortunate here.
Because "poking" it changes its spin. NO SHIT. You change the outcome by measuring it. Oh my science! Alert the media! So their idea is that the spin is not predetermined, and therefore determinism is false and we have "free will". Except it STILL doesn't disprove Bohm's conjecture (see start of rant) that there are unknown rules in play.
No "poking" it does not change the spin it determines it. Before poking it it didn't even have a spin. What you have failed to grasp is
that the authors have actually offered another interpretation of the hidden-variable vs. undeterminecy debate. If you are not willing to accept non-local variables you have to accept that a hidden-variable is preventing us to measure the state of the spin in ways that would violate the 1-0-1 rule.
I suggest everyone interested in this subject should head over to wikipedia and look up Bell's inequality.
maybe you should read the articles you're posting.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Island:
Eugene Island 330 has been cited as an example of abiogenic petroleum origin, which holds that petroleum reservoirs are continuously replenished from inorganic sources deep within the Earth. However, Eugene Island 330's fame comes precisely from its status as an unusual anomaly, rather than being typical of the other 40,000 developed oil fields, and most petroleum scientists believe that the depletion profile is adequately explained by replenishment from deeper reservoirs of normal biologically derived petroleum.
Why is everybody drawing parallels to oil, or say it's better option than burning our oil. Reality check!! We are not burning oil to produce electricity, at least not in large quantities.
Try either exaile (www.exaile.org) or listen (www.listen-project.org) both very good music players IMO.
I can't believe this is modded insightful. You totally missed the point. He doesn't want to prevent any 'evil corporation' from using his idea. He just doesn't want any 'evil corporation' patenting his idea and preventing others including himself from using it in the future. And what is it with you people who discredit everyone who doesn't want to use everything for his own monetary gain?
And how is that better than religious philosophies advocating executing 90% of humanity which do not believe in the true god?
That is exactly what David did, genocide in the name of religion. And he still is a christian hero. So either what he did was wrong, and the Bible is not the truth, or what he did was right, and the Bible is advocating religious genocide. I'd take a nihilist over that any day.
I just want to say what a great post this was. You put my thoughts when reading the OP into words, a lot better than I could've done.
Thank you
I think it's not necessarily the making something break and then fixing it, what I enjoy about linux. It's the ease of trying out new stuff, and making it work. Try a new window manager, compiz ... and you always have to set things up, because it does not work like you want it to work. Linux, or free software in general is perfect for this. There's a universe (even a multiverse if you're using ubuntu) of software around to tinker with it's easy to install and remove. I find myself reading over the projects on freshmeat, for example to see if something catches my interest. The strange thing is, many windows users are exactly the same. They have just not realised how much of a hassle it is to do this stuff on windows compared to linux. i know quite a few people who install all kinds of crap on windows just to try it out. Then they have to find other crappy software to actually get rid of the crap they installed because of the lousy install/uninstall routines. However these guys often are so ingrained in their ways of doing this stuff in windows they often discard linux, because stuff doesn't work the same way. Mind you they still download new linux distros all the time, and actually look at them (all part of that trying out new software tick)
ever heard of apt-cache search or the search field in synaptic. how do you know what packages are called on SuSE?
Ha you're from the UK even better. The state which is currently vigorously working on making 1984 a reality. Now there's someone in a glass house throwing stones. Now I actually do agree with some of your points, but you'd be a lot more credible if you wouldn't come across as one of those typical (usually US-based) EU bashers who don't know what they are talking about. And btw, talking about the EU birthday party as being an exceptional propaganda scheme, that's just ridiculous. Sure it is propaganda, but how's that different to the amount to the US July 4th celebrations, the French Bastille day celebrations, or the amount of money spent on the British monarchy, which is let's face it mainly a big propaganda operatus as well.
Maybe you could actually supply some facts to back your claims up? or are you just trolling. BTW according to the Reporters sans frontieres Worldwide Press Freedom Index 2007 (http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24025) almost every EU country ranks in front of the US. Ah but right it rather believe some slashdot troll then one of the most respected freedom of the press monitoring groups in the world.
BTW I'm getting fcking fingerprinted every time I enter the US, so don't give me those stupid finger printing examples.
Sorry messed up the formatting in the last post.
About 1.:
Well people in the us get asked their ethnicity on a whole lot of forms, is that better than being asked your religion? Apart from that I'm not even 100% sure if you're being asked or if you're a member of either Catholic or Protestant church they'll report that to the government. Note this is not the government who's really behind this scheme, it's the 2 main churches in Germany. They get huge monetary gain from this, because lot's of people are too lazy to resign their church membership. I don't quite know how you say this impedes your freedom though. Note I actually strongly disagree with this practice because I think the government should not collect member fees for any church IMO.
About 2.:
Well if you're a Catholic and don't want to pay the member fees (note this really is what it is although it's called a tax) you have to foremost lie to your church, saying you're not a member.
About 3.:
True, there are things to be said about this though. Makes getting a bank account a lot easier, etc...
About 4.:
Not true. If you're baptised and either did Kommunion, or Konformation (dunno the english names probably similar) you become a member. The thing is most people do that, because you get lot's of presents. Well tough luck it was your decision to become a member so you have to resign.
Note I'm german, although I don't live in Germany. Living in NZ, and don't think I wanna go back to Germany either, because in quite a few ways I have to agree Germany is restrictive, the work attitude is to serious, people are too uptight in general. I also think Germany is developing more and more into a police state. However the US would probably be the last place I would wanna go to. Freedom is a whole lot more restricted in the US, in my experience. Hell the US are leading the pack in the western world in the current restriction of citizen freedoms.
About 1.: Well people in the us get asked their ethnicity on a whole lot of forms, is that better than being asked your religion? Apart from that I'm not even 100% sure if you're being asked or if you're a member of either Catholic or Protestant church they'll report that to the government. Note this is not the government who's really behind this scheme, it's the 2 main churches in Germany. They get huge monetary gain from this, because lot's of people are too lazy to resign their church membership. I don't quite know how you say this impedes your freedom though. Note I actually strongly disagree with this practice because I think the government should not collect member fees for any church IMO. About 2.: Well if you're a Catholic and don't want to pay the member fees (note this really is what it is although it's called a tax) you have to foremost lie to your church, saying you're not a member. About 3.: True, there are things to be said about this though. Makes getting a bank account a lot easier, etc... About 4.: Not true. If you're baptised and either did Kommunion, or Konformation (dunno the english names probably similar) you become a member. The thing is most people do that, because you get lot's of presents. Well tough luck it was your decision to become a member so you have to resign. Note I'm german, although I don't live in Germany. Living in NZ, and don't think I wanna go back to Germany either, because in quite a few ways I have to agree Germany is restrictive, the work attitude is to serious, people are too uptight in general. I also think Germany is developing more and more into a police state. However the US would probably be the last place I would wanna go to. Freedom is a whole lot more restricted in the US, in my experience. Hell the US are leading the pack in the western world in the current restriction of citizen freedoms.
First thing the possibility of objectivity is a myth and if they didn't teach you that at journalism 101 then your class wasn't worth going to. So you say CNN has to protect itself from people perceiving that someone is slanting the news. They do have opinion pieces themselves, how can I be more sure that the guy who's giving the opinion piece does not slant the news, than the guy who writes about his own opinion on a _personal_, I repeat _personal_ blog. How much should corporations be allowed to control the life of their employees outside of work? If we spin your point further we'll end up at modern day slavery. Say you work for BMW, they have a vested interest that people drive their cars. Should they be allowed to fire an employee for driving a different make (provided that driving a BMW is not the purpose of his work). Or lets stay with tv stations, they have an interest that people watch their station, should they be able to fire someone for admitting he/she's watching a different channel, or even just watching a different channel.
Have you ever thought about the fact, that people want to attack you because you are blowing up their stuff left and right?