I think you missed the context of the original poster. Using the Firefox brand creates more theoretical bugs than it fixes in the name of idiot users. There is a lot of wasted programming time getting MozCorp permission for every little thing that could be used for improving the UI.
The media and video elements are part of HTML 5, are implemented in the WebKit version on which Google Chrome is based, yet are disabled in Google Chrome. Same story for HTML 5's structured storage (local SQL database) support. Google Chrome has significantly worse support for HTML 5 than the WebKit version on which it is based, and thus, than the corresponding Safari release.
Please, look at the article I linked earlier before making any more comments. I implore you. You're getting into a bashing rampage and stepping on your own feet.
Chrome developer Darin Fisher says that while Chrome was under wraps, a few things had to go. Despite using the latest branch of WebKit (the same branch to be used in the next version of Safari), the local database features didn't make it into Chrome's first release. Unfortunately, the safety and performance factors of Chrome's isolated sandbox system, which enables faster and more secure browsing by partitioning tabs in memory and CPU process, would break the built-in WebKit database functionality.
I never said I liked Chrome. I'm on a Linux box and have no plans to try or install it on my machine when it becomes available.
Even with the response that the Google developer had given, the changes are just plain odd. It not only makes a lot more work integrating future versions of webkit, they have to keep their own proprietary, non-standard code up to date.
Having said that, using the word proprietary doesn't mean a lot when it comes to HTML 5. It's still just a draft. You did know that shining example that is webkit introduced the proprietary canvas tag. Later it was adopted in the HTML 5 drafts because it was that good. This is where a lot of the new features in W3C complaint HTML comes from. Mozilla has been doing their own thing with border radius for a while, and also have that incident with theora support in HTML 5.
Even if you write your code to be compliant with the current version of HTML 5, there is a good change it won't work 100% with the final version of HTML 5 when it is finished. The browser makers are taking the same gamble, except they may influence just what HTML 5 may turn out to be. You're playing with fire if you use HTML 5 in your websites right now.
By the way, did you know one of the two editors of the HTML 5 working draft is a Google guy?
You got me there with motive/intent. Thanks for the correction.
There are still a plethora of reasons why this should be a slap on the hand for the first offense considering the motive and that there was no apparent damage. You fuck a young man, you get a young man who says fuck the system for life when he gets out of prison. Or maybe a Bill Gates.
Included in Chrome is the Google-born and now open-source Gears, a piece of technology used for the same purposes as HTML 5's offline features.
"Gears has a lot of great value. It's best thought of as an alternative API already out there," says Fisher. "HTML 5 is great if you have a newer browser, but what about the vast majority of users that have an older browsers? Gears is a vehicle to make this API available to older browsers. We're working to match HTML 5 versions of these APIs."
Fisher stops short of labeling Gears a stop-gap to HTML 5. "Gears is very compatible and supportive of HTML 5. It is on a trajectory to become another implementation, another platform that is to put HTML 5 on people's desktops."
Also of interest (from the same page),
Chrome developer Darin Fisher says that while Chrome was under wraps, a few things had to go. Despite using the latest branch of WebKit (the same branch to be used in the next version of Safari), the local database features didn't make it into Chrome's first release. Unfortunately, the safety and performance factors of Chrome's isolated sandbox system, which enables faster and more secure browsing by partitioning tabs in memory and CPU process, would break the built-in WebKit database functionality.
Why the hell would the Mac version only work on 32-bit?
Most likely because it was programmed for Windows first and Windows was very late to the table including 64bit support in the OS. That's what Google gets for leaving porting as an after thought. Adobe Flash likely falls in this category too.
Likely because they added some personal customizations to Webkit like HTML 5 tweaks/additions to Webkit. Also, if JavaScript is considered part of the core, that is likely a reason also. Chrome's implementation of JavaScript is totally different than the one used in Safari.
Nevermind the cost of the sudden campus-wide security lockdown, nevermind that IT staff may have lost their jobs, nevermind the people now losing sleep because they don't know how to handle things. Nevermind the risk incurred in that if he caused outages he could have disrupted phenomenally expensive research projects.
I was with you until that last sentence there. Are you going to give a "think of the children" statement next?
No, technically, he did the illegal thing, and thus is getting punished.
Whether it's wrong is up for debate. I can see how someone could think it was wrong, or morally neutral but stupid, or perfectly fine.
Whether it's wrong and if the punishment was extremely excessive is up to debate. Premeditated murder, manslaughter by negligence, and Murder in the name of self defense can warrant totally different outcomes. It looks to me in this case intent is being totally ignored.
How is Gentoo these days? Does it have a full install ISO "bootable" CD? Is it easier to install these days...or does one have to compile stuff overnight as it used to be? One thing I liked about it were the beautiful KDE implementations it showcased.
Meh. The Live cds for gentoo are very similar to Ubuntu now. They boot up to a Gnome environment where there is a double clickable icon labeled "Gentoo Linux Installer" on the desktop. The GUI install makes it easier, but in the end it really is just the old procedure. Another words you should be familiar with the gentoo handbook, but you don't have to reference it every 5 seconds like before. I believe the full install cd includes some precompiled binaries for at least gnome/kde. It's been at least a year since I have done an install, so don't quote me on it.
Compiles are still a pain in the butt. I personally renice emerge in make.conf so it doesn't hog the CPU and just hibernate when I shut the computer off. It's kind of like background updates that way. Gentoo still provides binaries for Firefox and OpenOffice.org which is nice. Firefox 3 hasn't been stabilized which is starting to get grating.
I'll probably be switching linux distros eventually. I don't use gentoo so much because I like compiling things. The key is it's so customizable...which is exactly the reason I don't use Ubuntu. It peeved me how it loved to overwrite my configuration files. I wonder if Arch Linux would be most appropriate for me?
That link is not source. The dead giveaway is that they are giving you the "x86" version on the download page. If I remember correctly, the tar.gz file is an interactive installer that asks where your plugins folder is. Adobe includes the tar.gz download because not every one uses a package manager that supports rpm/yum. Debian/Ubuntu uses deb.
You probably should have just installed the deb from the Ubuntu repositories since I don't think Debian has not-free repositories. Go to http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/web/flashplugin-nonfree , download it to your desktop, double click it, and it will install. Since you are using a deb file, it should integrate better with your package system too.
If some Debian guru knows a better way, don't be afraid to tell me I'm wrong/stupid;-p My main system is gentoo so debs/rpms/yum aren't my specialty.
LucasArts used to make top-notch games: Full-Throttle, Grim Fandango, Monkey Island, X-Wing, and dozens more in every genre. But then Lucasarts executives (and Lucas himself, I imagine) realized that the most profitable thing to do was to churn out countless Star Wars games irrespective of quality. Yeah, there's been a couple good ones, but for every "Knights of the Old Republic" there's at least ten "Star Wars: Galaxies - Episode III Rage of the Wookiees"
Star Wars: Rage of the Wookiees sounds awesome! But I can't seem to find it on ebay?
Ubuntu's use of brown being hideous is much more of an opinion than a fact. It's about the same as the differing opinions between ClearType and Quartz rendering. You use it for a bit, there is a good chance it may grow on you. When you return, what you were used to may appear "ugly". Quartz fonts suddenly appear blurry. ClearType fonts look pixelated and distorted. Blue suddenly becomes a cold depressing color.
Alphabetical seems nonsensical?
Japanese is in the standard order too, similar to alphabetical order.
Because the organization of the keys have a strong sub-pattern. If you learn one key, you know what to expect to come out of the other keys.
1 a i u e o 2 ka ki ku ke ko 3 sa si su se so 4 ta ti tu se so 5 na ni nu ne no 6 ha hi hu he ho 5 ma mi mu me mo 7 ra ri ru re ro etc
Because of this most keys are labeled with only the first symbol.
1 ka 2 sa 3 ta 4 na 5 ha 6 ma 7 ra 8 ya 9 wa
With English, there is no sub-pattern what so ever. The lack of consistency for how many letters are grouped per key complicates positioning. Yes, the English keys are alphabetical, but that alone doesn't help you find the correct keys quickly at a glance.
With Japanese your eyes search for 1 of 9 well organized symbols. With English your eyes are looking for 1 out of 26 symbols that are distributed unevenly between the buttons.
The funky thing that I found is that the numeric keypad works really well for inputing Japanese in cell phones. With English the letter ordering it feels really nonsensical.
That made me a bit curious. Now if the lack of Vietnamese characters was such an annoyance, would French be a natural option? I mean, isn't French the second language there?
After being stripped down to acsii, is Vietnamese writing still easily readable? It wouldn't be surprising if these early use form of 3117 speak/business english either.
I suppose the largest problem would be the auto spelling correction though...
You have no idea how difficult it is to explain that to people. 90% of the computer population maximize their browser window no matter how hard it makes text to read.
They are quite replaceable. Have you heard of Regis Philbin or Drew Carry?
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and the ability to resize text boxes on the fly
I believe that webkit as its rendering engine from the Safari people. That would explain that ability.
such as spell check enabled by default and the ability to resize text boxes on the fly.
As someone else said, this feature was mostly likely done through Firefox code.
Chrome is an amalgamation of of code from open source projects. It is also the reason why they are going to be able to port it relatively easy between platforms.
Plus its garbage collection and memory handling so far seem superb.
The ironic thing is, the code was likely very easy to write because of the separate processes/threads.
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I think you missed the context of the original poster. Using the Firefox brand creates more theoretical bugs than it fixes in the name of idiot users. There is a lot of wasted programming time getting MozCorp permission for every little thing that could be used for improving the UI.
The media and video elements are part of HTML 5, are implemented in the WebKit version on which Google Chrome is based, yet are disabled in Google Chrome. Same story for HTML 5's structured storage (local SQL database) support. Google Chrome has significantly worse support for HTML 5 than the WebKit version on which it is based, and thus, than the corresponding Safari release.
Please, look at the article I linked earlier before making any more comments. I implore you. You're getting into a bashing rampage and stepping on your own feet.
Chrome developer Darin Fisher says that while Chrome was under wraps, a few things had to go. Despite using the latest branch of WebKit (the same branch to be used in the next version of Safari), the local database features didn't make it into Chrome's first release. Unfortunately, the safety and performance factors of Chrome's isolated sandbox system, which enables faster and more secure browsing by partitioning tabs in memory and CPU process, would break the built-in WebKit database functionality.
I never said I liked Chrome. I'm on a Linux box and have no plans to try or install it on my machine when it becomes available.
Even with the response that the Google developer had given, the changes are just plain odd. It not only makes a lot more work integrating future versions of webkit, they have to keep their own proprietary, non-standard code up to date.
Having said that, using the word proprietary doesn't mean a lot when it comes to HTML 5. It's still just a draft. You did know that shining example that is webkit introduced the proprietary canvas tag. Later it was adopted in the HTML 5 drafts because it was that good. This is where a lot of the new features in W3C complaint HTML comes from. Mozilla has been doing their own thing with border radius for a while, and also have that incident with theora support in HTML 5.
Even if you write your code to be compliant with the current version of HTML 5, there is a good change it won't work 100% with the final version of HTML 5 when it is finished. The browser makers are taking the same gamble, except they may influence just what HTML 5 may turn out to be. You're playing with fire if you use HTML 5 in your websites right now.
By the way, did you know one of the two editors of the HTML 5 working draft is a Google guy?
You got me there with motive/intent. Thanks for the correction.
There are still a plethora of reasons why this should be a slap on the hand for the first offense considering the motive and that there was no apparent damage. You fuck a young man, you get a young man who says fuck the system for life when he gets out of prison. Or maybe a Bill Gates.
Safari 3.1 supports major HTML 5 features like video and audio. It is based on WebKit. Why would Google have to add HTML 5 to WebKit too?
from webmonkey.com
Included in Chrome is the Google-born and now open-source Gears, a piece of technology used for the same purposes as HTML 5's offline features.
"Gears has a lot of great value. It's best thought of as an alternative API already out there," says Fisher. "HTML 5 is great if you have a newer browser, but what about the vast majority of users that have an older browsers? Gears is a vehicle to make this API available to older browsers. We're working to match HTML 5 versions of these APIs."
Fisher stops short of labeling Gears a stop-gap to HTML 5. "Gears is very compatible and supportive of HTML 5. It is on a trajectory to become another implementation, another platform that is to put HTML 5 on people's desktops."
Also of interest (from the same page),
Chrome developer Darin Fisher says that while Chrome was under wraps, a few things had to go. Despite using the latest branch of WebKit (the same branch to be used in the next version of Safari), the local database features didn't make it into Chrome's first release. Unfortunately, the safety and performance factors of Chrome's isolated sandbox system, which enables faster and more secure browsing by partitioning tabs in memory and CPU process, would break the built-in WebKit database functionality.
I hope this helped answer your questions.
Why the hell would the Mac version only work on 32-bit?
Most likely because it was programmed for Windows first and Windows was very late to the table including 64bit support in the OS. That's what Google gets for leaving porting as an after thought. Adobe Flash likely falls in this category too.
Likely because they added some personal customizations to Webkit like HTML 5 tweaks/additions to Webkit. Also, if JavaScript is considered part of the core, that is likely a reason also. Chrome's implementation of JavaScript is totally different than the one used in Safari.
Nevermind the cost of the sudden campus-wide security lockdown, nevermind that IT staff may have lost their jobs, nevermind the people now losing sleep because they don't know how to handle things. Nevermind the risk incurred in that if he caused outages he could have disrupted phenomenally expensive research projects.
I was with you until that last sentence there. Are you going to give a "think of the children" statement next?
No, technically, he did the illegal thing, and thus is getting punished. Whether it's wrong is up for debate. I can see how someone could think it was wrong, or morally neutral but stupid, or perfectly fine.
Whether it's wrong and if the punishment was extremely excessive is up to debate. Premeditated murder, manslaughter by negligence, and Murder in the name of self defense can warrant totally different outcomes. It looks to me in this case intent is being totally ignored.
How is Gentoo these days? Does it have a full install ISO "bootable" CD? Is it easier to install these days...or does one have to compile stuff overnight as it used to be? One thing I liked about it were the beautiful KDE implementations it showcased.
Meh. The Live cds for gentoo are very similar to Ubuntu now. They boot up to a Gnome environment where there is a double clickable icon labeled "Gentoo Linux Installer" on the desktop. The GUI install makes it easier, but in the end it really is just the old procedure. Another words you should be familiar with the gentoo handbook, but you don't have to reference it every 5 seconds like before. I believe the full install cd includes some precompiled binaries for at least gnome/kde. It's been at least a year since I have done an install, so don't quote me on it.
Compiles are still a pain in the butt. I personally renice emerge in make.conf so it doesn't hog the CPU and just hibernate when I shut the computer off. It's kind of like background updates that way. Gentoo still provides binaries for Firefox and OpenOffice.org which is nice. Firefox 3 hasn't been stabilized which is starting to get grating.
Gentoo has some very handy community sites nowadays, even if they are unofficial.
http://gentoo-wiki.com/
http://gentoo-portage.com/
I'll probably be switching linux distros eventually. I don't use gentoo so much because I like compiling things. The key is it's so customizable...which is exactly the reason I don't use Ubuntu. It peeved me how it loved to overwrite my configuration files. I wonder if Arch Linux would be most appropriate for me?
That link is not source. The dead giveaway is that they are giving you the "x86" version on the download page. If I remember correctly, the tar.gz file is an interactive installer that asks where your plugins folder is. Adobe includes the tar.gz download because not every one uses a package manager that supports rpm/yum. Debian/Ubuntu uses deb.
You probably should have just installed the deb from the Ubuntu repositories since I don't think Debian has not-free repositories. Go to http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/web/flashplugin-nonfree , download it to your desktop, double click it, and it will install. Since you are using a deb file, it should integrate better with your package system too.
If some Debian guru knows a better way, don't be afraid to tell me I'm wrong/stupid ;-p My main system is gentoo so debs/rpms/yum aren't my specialty.
...that changes the name from "Privacy Mode" to "Porn Viewing Mode". No I'm serious. ;-)
LucasArts used to make top-notch games: Full-Throttle, Grim Fandango, Monkey Island, X-Wing, and dozens more in every genre. But then Lucasarts executives (and Lucas himself, I imagine) realized that the most profitable thing to do was to churn out countless Star Wars games irrespective of quality. Yeah, there's been a couple good ones, but for every "Knights of the Old Republic" there's at least ten "Star Wars: Galaxies - Episode III Rage of the Wookiees"
Star Wars: Rage of the Wookiees sounds awesome! But I can't seem to find it on ebay?
Ubuntu's use of brown being hideous is much more of an opinion than a fact. It's about the same as the differing opinions between ClearType and Quartz rendering. You use it for a bit, there is a good chance it may grow on you. When you return, what you were used to may appear "ugly". Quartz fonts suddenly appear blurry. ClearType fonts look pixelated and distorted. Blue suddenly becomes a cold depressing color.
Alphabetical seems nonsensical? Japanese is in the standard order too, similar to alphabetical order.
Because the organization of the keys have a strong sub-pattern. If you learn one key, you know what to expect to come out of the other keys.
Because of this most keys are labeled with only the first symbol.
With English, there is no sub-pattern what so ever. The lack of consistency for how many letters are grouped per key complicates positioning. Yes, the English keys are alphabetical, but that alone doesn't help you find the correct keys quickly at a glance. With Japanese your eyes search for 1 of 9 well organized symbols. With English your eyes are looking for 1 out of 26 symbols that are distributed unevenly between the buttons.
Thanks for replying back. A lot of eastern languages are so interesting because of how diverse and different they are.
Personally I think you complicated the analogy a bit too much. A drewling lay person is more likely to say, "huh?"
The ironic thing about car analogies is....a number of cars have the MS/Windows tax too!
The funky thing that I found is that the numeric keypad works really well for inputing Japanese in cell phones. With English the letter ordering it feels really nonsensical.
That made me a bit curious. Now if the lack of Vietnamese characters was such an annoyance, would French be a natural option? I mean, isn't French the second language there?
After being stripped down to acsii, is Vietnamese writing still easily readable? It wouldn't be surprising if these early use form of 3117 speak /business english either.
I suppose the largest problem would be the auto spelling correction though...
It looks like it requires a phone call though. My sources: http://lifehacker.com/software/itunes/redownload-your-lost-itunes-music-176323.php http://thecontent.wordpress.com/2006/05/24/itunes-lets-people-re-download-all-your-music-once/
If there are any bugs, you release patches/service packs/hotfixes as needed.
If I remember correctly, patches/hotfixes are only being released until December? Of course with debian you probably get a little more time.
You have no idea how difficult it is to explain that to people. 90% of the computer population maximize their browser window no matter how hard it makes text to read.
Debian has a mips port, where you can likely download precompiled packages just fine. http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/
Here's a link to the gentoo handbook for mips: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-mips.xml
They are quite replaceable. Have you heard of Regis Philbin or Drew Carry?
and the ability to resize text boxes on the fly
I believe that webkit as its rendering engine from the Safari people. That would explain that ability.
such as spell check enabled by default and the ability to resize text boxes on the fly.
As someone else said, this feature was mostly likely done through Firefox code. Chrome is an amalgamation of of code from open source projects. It is also the reason why they are going to be able to port it relatively easy between platforms.
Plus its garbage collection and memory handling so far seem superb.
The ironic thing is, the code was likely very easy to write because of the separate processes/threads.