I agree with the author of this thread. While Linus and many others (myself included) may consider this Apple implementaion of BSD UNIX kernel software crap, the articles do not mention that Torvalds said nothing about the operating system as a whole, only that the kernel code was written in a less-than-optimum way. Yes, the kernel is the core of the system, but linus bashed the way it was developed, not strictly the outcome of the code itself. This also brings up another question: How much of the BSD code will apple give up? This kind of thing is an LGPL lawyer's nightmare;-) -----------------------------------------
The factor that we seem to be overlooking here is that BSD has a much more arbitrary codebase than linux does. To an end-user, this makes no difference, but coding is a little more difficult. However, BSDs unique codebase is what gives it the power and security not even afforded by Linux.
Linux is much easier to develop, and in general supports a lot more 'frills'. While these 'frills' would probably be considered pointless or redundant to hackers, your avarage end user needs something as simple as possible which functions exactly the same way every time.
If I were an IT manager, I would set up my powerservers with FreeBSD as it is very fast and powerful. I would set up the end user systems w/ linux however, as it currently supports a much better (aka simpler) operation environment. ------------------------------------ -----
While the chances of this passing or remaining legal for a significant period of time if passed are probably pretty low, what would happen if it did?
I'm no government expert, but doesn't this infringe on our rights to free speech? While I don't think that a lot of the stuff on the 'net is appropriate for certain viewers (if any!), it seems quite scary that a state government would impose such a law. Well, mabe the tourism adds were correct, "Texas. It's like a whole other country!". -------------------------------------- ---
While not everyone is quick to admit it, these two ancient webcam 'portals' if you will are an important part of Internet and technology history. Therefore, I think it would be a wise (and kinda cool!) idea to preserve both these great webcams by permanently hosting them at one of the various computer museums around the world. For example, here in San Diego, California the tech school Colman College has a very extensive and interesting computer museum, which I believe has been slashdotted for its "most infuential people in technology" awards. -----------------------------------------
I read somewhere (C|Net I think) in an interview w/ Bill Gates and Steve Balmer during M$'s 25th aniversary bash, Balmer basically came out and said in so many words that Access was originally not a database application but a terminal emulator. Oh yes. Gotta excersise our "freedom to innovate" here! -----------------------------------------
I think this had something to do with something besides just the antitrust lawsuits which are pending. I believe that this was also somebody's PR move. If you're a multibillion dollar company, you don't exactly want to have your name come up when talking about a financially slipping company in which you have a large section of stock. -----------------------------------------
That's funny. But the thing that these people don't realize is that there are still a lot of systems out there that cannot support the software required to access the new standards of web programming. This is especially true in schools where the computer system is always near the bottom of the standard priority list when it comes to improving and/or replacing material in the classroom. -------------------------------------- ---
I wonder what they were thinking. Germany is litterally a farmland for Free Software development, and Czec language nations are also jumping on the bandwagon. Not only is this stupid in terms of user freedom, but this, in my oppinion, is also a bullheaded and suicidal advertising move. -----------------------------------------
My thoughts exactly. While I am kind of partial to ICANN as I am a member, I do think that the ACLU is going about this the right way. Instead of making a hughe legal mess of this, they should instead go directly to ICANN itself and try to negotiate a compromize that benifits both organazations as well as the Intenet community. Yes, ICANN has a near monopoly on Domain Names, but it's not like they take the M$ course of action. The only reason that they are so powerful is that they are so well organized. Also, there is little competition. ------------------------------------ -----
It's too bad that no one really took NeXT's systems seriously. I think the main reason must've been that the NeXT was just too much ahead of it's time. I've used 'The Blackbox' before and I can say that some of its features were just amazing for its time. I can say without doubt that if Jobs was taken more seriously in the late 80s, common technology would be much farther advanced than it is today. Mabe they could have even put M$ out of buisiness. You never know.:-) -----------------------------------------
Yup. that's basically the whole story. Luckily for me, I use all the "worst" and most "user-ufriendly" software, such as KNapster on Linux Mandrake. I'm just sitting here waiting for the RIAA or M$ (or both) to come over to my house and demand 'retrobution' for breaking these all so important laws. ("Oh of *course* I'm goin to pay tons of money instead of downloading something better for free!") -----------------------------------------
They could, on the other hand, use this for yet another monopoly campaign. They may not be able to buy out Linux itself, but they may be able to get a force going against some of the more visible distrobution companies such as Red Hat and SuSE. With enough drive, I wouldn't be suprised if M$ could bring down some very valuable Open resources (both human and mabe code). What scares me more is this whole '.NET' thing M$ has begun. What backdoors will this turn up? On that note, it's also very scary how IE/OE always crashes every single time I try to e-mail anyone about the unfairness of Bill's Empire... --------------------------------------- --
That is precisely why they are probably trying to create their own regulated separate network. It would prevent users from accessing any and all "undesireable" material much more effectively. ------------------------------------ -----
I've already downloaded and compiled the 2.4 kernel. unfortunately, I forgot to include the correct support file at boot time, preventing *any* kernel from booting. On the plus side, several packages relating to several core shared libraries were screwed anyway. Now I'm goin to start over the right way with a fresh Mandrake installation...
Name: ADB
PC Age: 5mos
OS reinstallations: 20-30
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Q:What do you get when you buy an X-Box in a Three Pack?
A: An XXX-Box;-)
This marginally stupid comment provided free of charge by PowerPenguin
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That *would* be a great world to live in! However, you have to realize that in the mid 70's when the movie was made, your avarage 'monolithic kernel' was probably only a couple of KB at most. Bascially, it was either sink or swim, as codes were so much simpler then. Most of the time, programs either worked 100% of the time or did not work at all. At least that's what the avarage terminal user *thought*... ------------------------------------ --
The two best tech Universities, at least in my oppinion are University of California at Berkely and MIT. They both have a long-standing record for having a wide range of high-quality courses. Like I said before, this is just *my oppinion*
~A.D.Bourdon, Freshman @ Point Loma High School, San Diego, CA --------------------------------------
I think that both binaries and source packages are equally important in their own ways. From an end-user standpoint, binaries (RPMs, Debs, etc) are more important because they make the program easier to install and use "out of the box". Also, binaries allow programmers to see how a program is *supposed to work* (or not work(!)) before they begin hacking and compiling the sources.
Binaries are also significant when it comes to conviencence. For example, many people download quick RPMs for simple non-critical programs such as instant messangers or Web browsers, but nearly always hack and compile sources for all their most important programs.
When using light primarily instead of electricity, a lot less heat is generated. Would some of the more advanced chips be cool enough to run safely without a heat sink? If so, this would not only extend the life the standard CPU but slightly reduce the ammount of clutter in the standard PC box.//this message posted by powerpenguin from somewhere.
Notice how Java developers never spend months on end porting software from one platform to another...? Also, sun has been considering completely opening up it's already fairly flexible API to the Public Domain (don't know what type of liscense though), enabling developers to continue to improve the language. Also, Java is a much easier to learn language than C++, and it is much more logical than C as well. Did I mention that it's extremely portable?
Yes it is pathetic. Yes, Linux does kick ASCII, but there is just no room in the world for BS like this virus. It's bad enough that lamer AOLers create viruses, but someone using one to promote linux is just not right. Many of us have been working to promote Free Software such as Linux for quite some time. This type of incident does NOT help the Cause whatsoever.
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I agree with the author of this thread. While Linus and many others (myself included) may consider this Apple implementaion of BSD UNIX kernel software crap, the articles do not mention that Torvalds said nothing about the operating system as a whole, only that the kernel code was written in a less-than-optimum way. Yes, the kernel is the core of the system, but linus bashed the way it was developed, not strictly the outcome of the code itself. This also brings up another question: How much of the BSD code will apple give up? This kind of thing is an LGPL lawyer's nightmare ;-)
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The factor that we seem to be overlooking here is that BSD has a much more arbitrary codebase than linux does. To an end-user, this makes no difference, but coding is a little more difficult. However, BSDs unique codebase is what gives it the power and security not even afforded by Linux. Linux is much easier to develop, and in general supports a lot more 'frills'. While these 'frills' would probably be considered pointless or redundant to hackers, your avarage end user needs something as simple as possible which functions exactly the same way every time. If I were an IT manager, I would set up my powerservers with FreeBSD as it is very fast and powerful. I would set up the end user systems w/ linux however, as it currently supports a much better (aka simpler) operation environment.- -----
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While the chances of this passing or remaining legal for a significant period of time if passed are probably pretty low, what would happen if it did? I'm no government expert, but doesn't this infringe on our rights to free speech? While I don't think that a lot of the stuff on the 'net is appropriate for certain viewers (if any!), it seems quite scary that a state government would impose such a law. Well, mabe the tourism adds were correct, "Texas. It's like a whole other country!".- ---
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While not everyone is quick to admit it, these two ancient webcam 'portals' if you will are an important part of Internet and technology history. Therefore, I think it would be a wise (and kinda cool!) idea to preserve both these great webcams by permanently hosting them at one of the various computer museums around the world. For example, here in San Diego, California the tech school Colman College has a very extensive and interesting computer museum, which I believe has been slashdotted for its "most infuential people in technology" awards.-
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I read somewhere (C|Net I think) in an interview w/ Bill Gates and Steve Balmer during M$'s 25th aniversary bash, Balmer basically came out and said in so many words that Access was originally not a database application but a terminal emulator. Oh yes. Gotta excersise our "freedom to innovate" here!
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I think this had something to do with something besides just the antitrust lawsuits which are pending. I believe that this was also somebody's PR move. If you're a multibillion dollar company, you don't exactly want to have your name come up when talking about a financially slipping company in which you have a large section of stock.
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That's funny. But the thing that these people don't realize is that there are still a lot of systems out there that cannot support the software required to access the new standards of web programming. This is especially true in schools where the computer system is always near the bottom of the standard priority list when it comes to improving and/or replacing material in the classroom.- ---
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I wonder what they were thinking. Germany is litterally a farmland for Free Software development, and Czec language nations are also jumping on the bandwagon. Not only is this stupid in terms of user freedom, but this, in my oppinion, is also a bullheaded and suicidal advertising move.
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My thoughts exactly. While I am kind of partial to ICANN as I am a member, I do think that the ACLU is going about this the right way. Instead of making a hughe legal mess of this, they should instead go directly to ICANN itself and try to negotiate a compromize that benifits both organazations as well as the Intenet community. Yes, ICANN has a near monopoly on Domain Names, but it's not like they take the M$ course of action. The only reason that they are so powerful is that they are so well organized. Also, there is little competition.- -----
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It's too bad that no one really took NeXT's systems seriously. I think the main reason must've been that the NeXT was just too much ahead of it's time. I've used 'The Blackbox' before and I can say that some of its features were just amazing for its time. I can say without doubt that if Jobs was taken more seriously in the late 80s, common technology would be much farther advanced than it is today. Mabe they could have even put M$ out of buisiness. You never know. :-)
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Yup. that's basically the whole story. Luckily for me, I use all the "worst" and most "user-ufriendly" software, such as KNapster on Linux Mandrake. I'm just sitting here waiting for the RIAA or M$ (or both) to come over to my house and demand 'retrobution' for breaking these all so important laws. ("Oh of *course* I'm goin to pay tons of money instead of downloading something better for free!")-
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They could, on the other hand, use this for yet another monopoly campaign. They may not be able to buy out Linux itself, but they may be able to get a force going against some of the more visible distrobution companies such as Red Hat and SuSE. With enough drive, I wouldn't be suprised if M$ could bring down some very valuable Open resources (both human and mabe code). What scares me more is this whole '.NET' thing M$ has begun. What backdoors will this turn up? On that note, it's also very scary how IE/OE always crashes every single time I try to e-mail anyone about the unfairness of Bill's Empire...- --
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That is precisely why they are probably trying to create their own regulated separate network. It would prevent users from accessing any and all "undesireable" material much more effectively.- -----
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I've already downloaded and compiled the 2.4 kernel. unfortunately, I forgot to include the correct support file at boot time, preventing *any* kernel from booting. On the plus side, several packages relating to several core shared libraries were screwed anyway. Now I'm goin to start over the right way with a fresh Mandrake installation... Name: ADB PC Age: 5mos OS reinstallations: 20-30 sanity: questionable- -----
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Q:What do you get when you buy an X-Box in a Three Pack? A: An XXX-Box ;-)
This marginally stupid comment provided free of charge by PowerPenguin
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Humans are also taught just about everything they know. Just look at how some them came out? ;-)
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All I want for Christmas is Kernel 2.4... For crying out loud! Mabe next year...
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That *would* be a great world to live in! However, you have to realize that in the mid 70's when the movie was made, your avarage 'monolithic kernel' was probably only a couple of KB at most. Bascially, it was either sink or swim, as codes were so much simpler then. Most of the time, programs either worked 100% of the time or did not work at all. At least that's what the avarage terminal user *thought*...- --
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The two best tech Universities, at least in my oppinion are University of California at Berkely and MIT. They both have a long-standing record for having a wide range of high-quality courses. Like I said before, this is just *my oppinion* ~A.D.Bourdon, Freshman @ Point Loma High School, San Diego, CA
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That was fun. we should do that again sometime.
I think that both binaries and source packages are equally important in their own ways. From an end-user standpoint, binaries (RPMs, Debs, etc) are more important because they make the program easier to install and use "out of the box". Also, binaries allow programmers to see how a program is *supposed to work* (or not work(!)) before they begin hacking and compiling the sources. Binaries are also significant when it comes to conviencence. For example, many people download quick RPMs for simple non-critical programs such as instant messangers or Web browsers, but nearly always hack and compile sources for all their most important programs.
My karma is very high. booyeah! ;-)
When using light primarily instead of electricity, a lot less heat is generated. Would some of the more advanced chips be cool enough to run safely without a heat sink? If so, this would not only extend the life the standard CPU but slightly reduce the ammount of clutter in the standard PC box. //this message posted by powerpenguin from somewhere.
Notice how Java developers never spend months on end porting software from one platform to another...? Also, sun has been considering completely opening up it's already fairly flexible API to the Public Domain (don't know what type of liscense though), enabling developers to continue to improve the language. Also, Java is a much easier to learn language than C++, and it is much more logical than C as well. Did I mention that it's extremely portable?
Yes it is pathetic. Yes, Linux does kick ASCII, but there is just no room in the world for BS like this virus. It's bad enough that lamer AOLers create viruses, but someone using one to promote linux is just not right. Many of us have been working to promote Free Software such as Linux for quite some time. This type of incident does NOT help the Cause whatsoever.