No, waht you need is a speed that people in the simulation cannot exceed, and a universe with large empty spaces, which will discourage them from moving out of their one little section of reality.
No human being would notice if you just simulated the surface of the earth, with a few minor sub-simulations for people in airplanes and spaceships, and then something painting a sky.
I don't know why so many people here are assuming some sort of perfect simulation of 'reality'. I mean, that's a perfect justification for the speed of light, right there, easy of simulation.
No one has to do #3 unless, duh, their insurance covers it, which it usually doesn't, and they want their insurance to cover it.
Likewise, no one needs to do #2 unless they feel that would help them at the bank. To actually help them, it would have to be worth quite a lot (People don't go around listing TVs for banks.), and they'd have to demostrate that it was actually worth that much, which it's not worth doing.
And with #1...you're making a rather amazing assumption about how valuable these things are. If someone has a 10,000 dollar character, sure, they should declare it...but people don't that have valuable a character. And, yes, they should have to pay income taxes (and sales tax) on them if they sell them, no matter how much...and you have no evidence at all people don't.
In short, you have no point at all, and are just trying to feel superior to everyone...but you don't realize that, no, you don't have to go around declaring you own something worth, for example, $200, for it to actually be worth that. I have a nice $179 dollar monitor that only I and God know I own. I paid sales tax on it, and that's all I have to do.
And before you come back with some lame comment, be aware I've never played on a MMORPG in my life, and have played various MUDs for a grand total of about 15 hours, and don't consider any characters I have, assuming they still exist, to be worth anything.
If someone goes around printing trade secrets of Unix (pretending there were any), and Linux read them, he's not in violation of anything. Trade secrets aren't like copyright, you can't be 'infected' unless you were under an NDA.
The whole idea is fairly silly as all Unix source code is fairly well known.
Trade secrets are defined by one fact: They must remain secret, period. If they are not, they are not trade secrets.
You can sue someone using a trade secret and retain the trade secret if an only if they didn't tell anyone at all. (I.e., someone in the know runs off with Coke's formula and starts selling Cokes, without telling anyone how.)
However, if said thieves publish it, or tell anyone...you are completely and utterly screwed. You can sue them for destroying your trade secret, but you can't do a damn thing to anyone else who knows it and tells other people.
The main thing about trade secrets: You're only in trouble if you get them by violating an NDA or through other crimes, like breaking and entering. If I take a tour of Coca-Cola, and they drop the recipe on the floor in front of me, and I snatch it up and read it...well, they'd be offering me some money real fast, because they'd have no legal recourse if I go public with it. (Or, if I was more clever, license it to other companies under an NDA, at which point it would also be my trade secret.;) ) Likewise if I bring a spy cam and take zoomed pictures of the process, or one of those listening devices disguised as a Walkman.
This is important when you realize how many people have had System V source access over the years who haven't been under an NDA.
And if you can learn a 'trade secret' without violating contract law or criminal law, it's yours to do with as you see fit.
Trade secret law is the 'IP' I don't have any problems with, mainly because it's not actual IP...it's not creating any rights of ownership, private contracts are creating the rights of ownership. Someone can hand me random 'trade secrets', and I can pass them out all I want, because I didn't sign a contract (or break the law getting them). (Please don't read that as saying I'm opposed to all forms of IP...but copyrights, trademarks, and patents all seems to have large problems of various sorts.)
Trade secrets are automatically fairly lame for software, anyway, as people can disassemble software and figure out how it works. Trade secrets really only work for processes, aka, the same things you could patent. It's stupid to sell a product and claim part of it is a trade secret, as anyone can legally open said product up and attempt to duplicate it. A car company can't have a trade secret in how a glove box hinge works in a car, and a software company can't have a trade secret in how a file system works, as any idiot can purchase the product and take it apart...you're supposed to patent those things.
(This post uses the traditional example of Coca-Cola as a trade secret, but the author is aware that most of the ingedients of Coke are actually known, and the 'trade secret' more of a PR thing than anything. If someone honestly wanted to duplicate Coke, they could figure it out. Which doesn't make it not a trade secret, it just makes it a rather silly and not very valuable one.)
The Linux kernel contributers could certainly sue over the concept that SCO knowingly distributed their work illegally, after it filed the suit.
Sure, now it's claiming Linux is not copyright infringement, but it certainly did claim that at one point in its ever-shifting wild accusations. If SCO ever thought that parts of the Linux kernel weren't GPL, because SCO itself owned it, and IBM stole the code and claimed to GPL, which it obviously can't do, but SCO distributed the code anyway, that's a violation of the GPL. (Note nothign in there requires parts of Linux to actually be SCO code, all it does is require SCO to think that.)
Of course, the entire thing may be moot due to the fact SCO doesn't apparently own any fucking code in the first place. Geez, we were all suckered, weren't we? To paraphrase Douglas Adams: The minor flaws in their case were causing everyone to overlook the major flaws in their case.
In which case there may the 'impossiblity' defense...you cannot be guilty of attempting to commit a crime that is physically impossible, even if you actually did attempt it not knowing it was impossible. SCO couldn't illegally distribute Linux code because not only was there no System V code in there, but they don't even own said code in the first place.
What the hell does SCO own? Does this company have any IP at all?
You do have a recourse if one company stole them and just used them internally. The courts can order that other company to pay a fine and stop using them.
But, yes, when your trade secrets get exposed publically, you're screwed. You can get a fine out of the person who did it, but that's it.
Please note this is a general discussion of trade secrets and not specific to this case, which I seriously doubt has any merit at all.
People under NDAs can usually talk about what they're under an NDA for, aka that can say 'I'm under an NDA that prevents me from revealling the internals of Unix.'.
And what SCO thinks is a secret is apparently the Unix source code is possess.
No he didn't. Unix source code was widely available, not under an NDA, pretty much everywhere.
To have a trade secret you have to actively protect it. You can't just hand out source code willy-nilly, even if more copies end up being unauthorized...copyright violation is not a legit claim of 'theft' of trade secrets...anyone who could illegally copy the source could have legally browsed it whereever they copied it from and learned said trade secrets.
There's not a legal leg to stand on. A business can't say 'Yes, this is a copyright violation, but our business depends on it, so we'll keep doing it.'. That's just completely absurd, legally.
If the code never was really GPL in the first place, which is what SCO claims, then the correct response isn't to 'keep fufilling the GPL', it's to issue an immediate recall.
If a store purchases a bunch of TVs, and some people comes in and places them on layaway, and then the police show up and say the TVs are stolen property, the store can't then continue to give out the stolen TVs, regardless of the store's contract with their customer.
And it's even more absurd for SCO to claim it has to follow the GPL by giving out code that it claims isn't under the GPL.
Yes, but SCO continued to actively sell and distribute Linux after they filed the lawsuit.
Note the 'sell' up there. Leaving source on an FTP might be possible to get away with...they suddenly discovered SCO source in Linux (which they didn't actually, the entire lawsuit is bogus, but let's pretend), and forgot to remove it.
But it's another thing completely to sell it, and not only ship it, but delibrately indemnify their own customers, which made their customers quite relieved they weren't in the crazy position of purchasing a copyright violation from the company enforcing said copyright, but made it utterly impossible for SCO to claim this was an accident...they delibrately shipped this fictional code under the GPL.
SCO just has no fucking clue at all. They did this groundless lawsuit as a PR stunt and managed to place themselves in a legally impossible position, because they stupidly thought they could continue to sell a product they claimed was illegal.
There's always the fun point that, logically, whoever SCO got their original copy of Linux from wasn't allowed, under the GPL, to distribute it (because it contained stuff copyright by SCO).
And hence SCO itself must immediately stop using Linux. Not just distributing, but using.;)
Well, that's just silly. How would publishing false statements on their website cause their mail to stop working?
The whole thing is completely absurd, as this 'organization' didn't exist when the alledged libel happened. And they don't actually document what the libel supposedly was.
Neither a listing in SPEWS or in the Spamhaus is a claim that anyone has broken the law, at all.
And of course SPEWS lists providers who don't removed spammers, that's what SPEWS is, a list of providers that don't respond in a timely manner to spam complaints. Duh. That's clearly what it says on spews.org. (This is, of course, ignoring the fact that none of those people run SPEWS, but SPEWS isn't commiting libel anyway.)
Refusing to do business with someone until they refuse to do business with someone else isn't illegal in any form or fashion. It's even less illegal to simply hand out lists of businesses that do business with a certain other person, and let the person you're giving the list to decide what to do about it.
It might be illegal if they weren't doing business with said other person...but then it's nonsensical for that other person to complain, as they wouldn't be affected at all.
In short, all the blocklists claimed to do was to identify these people's IPs, or their ISP's IPs...and by filing a suit claiming they were hurt by such blacklisting, they just proved it wasn't libel!
And, um, spamming is illegal in a HELL of a lot of juridictions, I don't know what reality you're living in. Plenty of the people named in the suit live in places where spam is illegal, and they have in fact received spam from these spammers.
But, of course, there's no documented evidence that they have said such people are criminals...you'll note that Linford didn't make any such claims all in the article. Hell, all he did was say they are 'spammers', he didn't even say they were bad people. (Draw your own conclusions from the fact they are 'spammers'.)
He didn't have to arrive where he left from. They could aim the sphere at a specific location, and that's where he ended up if he kept it centered.
By default, though, if they weren't in a hurry, they sent the sphere back to the hanger, as then they didn't have to haul the thing halfway around the world.
Einstein never said you can't travel backwards in time, he just said you cannot accelerate past the speed of light. (Note acceleration works both ways...you can't slow down from going the speed of light either.)
That doesn't preclude something going faster than the speed of light, thus backwards in time, and it certainly doesn't preclude other methods of traveling through time. It just says that altering velocities from below speed of light to above speed of light, or above the speed of light to exactly the speed of light, or whatever combinations you can think of of those three things, does not and cannot work.
In fact, Einstein helped come up with an alternate method of time travel, an Einstein-Rosen bridge, aka, a wormhole. (Although trying to keep one of those open is left as an excersize for the reader.)
The problem is that the BSA is not the police. Solicters can't walk past a no solicting sign and solict, and the BSA can't walk past a 'no BSA' sign. That's how trespassing laws work. You don't get to 'lie' to a sign and keep walking, that's nonsensical.
The problem is that most people don't even see the FTP login messages. (There's a similar problem with SMTP login message prohibiting spam.) So you can't really bar people there if you have anonymous FTP set up. Anyone can click past that in a web browser and never see it, much like you can't get solicters arrested for trespassing if you have a 'no solicting' sign at one entranceway and they come in another.
However, you can actually set up a real password system, and give out the username and password to a certain group of people on a webpage, which obviously does not include the BSA. They had to read the page to get the username and password, and thus had to read the fact they were not allowed on the server.
This won't protect your from the police, though, but they will need a search warrant. (Which will be incredibly easy to get if you claim to have warez or MP3s on the server.)
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No, waht you need is a speed that people in the simulation cannot exceed, and a universe with large empty spaces, which will discourage them from moving out of their one little section of reality.
No human being would notice if you just simulated the surface of the earth, with a few minor sub-simulations for people in airplanes and spaceships, and then something painting a sky.
I don't know why so many people here are assuming some sort of perfect simulation of 'reality'. I mean, that's a perfect justification for the speed of light, right there, easy of simulation.
Likewise, no one needs to do #2 unless they feel that would help them at the bank. To actually help them, it would have to be worth quite a lot (People don't go around listing TVs for banks.), and they'd have to demostrate that it was actually worth that much, which it's not worth doing.
And with #1...you're making a rather amazing assumption about how valuable these things are. If someone has a 10,000 dollar character, sure, they should declare it...but people don't that have valuable a character. And, yes, they should have to pay income taxes (and sales tax) on them if they sell them, no matter how much...and you have no evidence at all people don't.
In short, you have no point at all, and are just trying to feel superior to everyone...but you don't realize that, no, you don't have to go around declaring you own something worth, for example, $200, for it to actually be worth that. I have a nice $179 dollar monitor that only I and God know I own. I paid sales tax on it, and that's all I have to do.
And before you come back with some lame comment, be aware I've never played on a MMORPG in my life, and have played various MUDs for a grand total of about 15 hours, and don't consider any characters I have, assuming they still exist, to be worth anything.
If people are willing to pay for something, it clearly does actually have value to them.
Also, you should just do 'new_node->next=NULL;' before the if() and save some space. ;)
-1, Pedantic
But, yes, it's exactly this sort of silliness I'm expecting them to try to pull.
Wait, no, they're a multi-billion company, aren't they? ;)
What kind of fucking moron sues IBM to drive them out of business?
If someone goes around printing trade secrets of Unix (pretending there were any), and Linux read them, he's not in violation of anything. Trade secrets aren't like copyright, you can't be 'infected' unless you were under an NDA.
The whole idea is fairly silly as all Unix source code is fairly well known.
Trade secrets are defined by one fact: They must remain secret, period. If they are not, they are not trade secrets.
You can sue someone using a trade secret and retain the trade secret if an only if they didn't tell anyone at all. (I.e., someone in the know runs off with Coke's formula and starts selling Cokes, without telling anyone how.)
However, if said thieves publish it, or tell anyone...you are completely and utterly screwed. You can sue them for destroying your trade secret, but you can't do a damn thing to anyone else who knows it and tells other people.
The main thing about trade secrets: You're only in trouble if you get them by violating an NDA or through other crimes, like breaking and entering. If I take a tour of Coca-Cola, and they drop the recipe on the floor in front of me, and I snatch it up and read it...well, they'd be offering me some money real fast, because they'd have no legal recourse if I go public with it. (Or, if I was more clever, license it to other companies under an NDA, at which point it would also be my trade secret. ;) ) Likewise if I bring a spy cam and take zoomed pictures of the process, or one of those listening devices disguised as a Walkman.
This is important when you realize how many people have had System V source access over the years who haven't been under an NDA.
And if you can learn a 'trade secret' without violating contract law or criminal law, it's yours to do with as you see fit.
Trade secret law is the 'IP' I don't have any problems with, mainly because it's not actual IP...it's not creating any rights of ownership, private contracts are creating the rights of ownership. Someone can hand me random 'trade secrets', and I can pass them out all I want, because I didn't sign a contract (or break the law getting them). (Please don't read that as saying I'm opposed to all forms of IP...but copyrights, trademarks, and patents all seems to have large problems of various sorts.)
Trade secrets are automatically fairly lame for software, anyway, as people can disassemble software and figure out how it works. Trade secrets really only work for processes, aka, the same things you could patent. It's stupid to sell a product and claim part of it is a trade secret, as anyone can legally open said product up and attempt to duplicate it. A car company can't have a trade secret in how a glove box hinge works in a car, and a software company can't have a trade secret in how a file system works, as any idiot can purchase the product and take it apart...you're supposed to patent those things.
(This post uses the traditional example of Coca-Cola as a trade secret, but the author is aware that most of the ingedients of Coke are actually known, and the 'trade secret' more of a PR thing than anything. If someone honestly wanted to duplicate Coke, they could figure it out. Which doesn't make it not a trade secret, it just makes it a rather silly and not very valuable one.)
Sure, now it's claiming Linux is not copyright infringement, but it certainly did claim that at one point in its ever-shifting wild accusations. If SCO ever thought that parts of the Linux kernel weren't GPL, because SCO itself owned it, and IBM stole the code and claimed to GPL, which it obviously can't do, but SCO distributed the code anyway, that's a violation of the GPL. (Note nothign in there requires parts of Linux to actually be SCO code, all it does is require SCO to think that.)
Of course, the entire thing may be moot due to the fact SCO doesn't apparently own any fucking code in the first place. Geez, we were all suckered, weren't we? To paraphrase Douglas Adams: The minor flaws in their case were causing everyone to overlook the major flaws in their case.
In which case there may the 'impossiblity' defense...you cannot be guilty of attempting to commit a crime that is physically impossible, even if you actually did attempt it not knowing it was impossible. SCO couldn't illegally distribute Linux code because not only was there no System V code in there, but they don't even own said code in the first place.
What the hell does SCO own? Does this company have any IP at all?
But, yes, when your trade secrets get exposed publically, you're screwed. You can get a fine out of the person who did it, but that's it.
Please note this is a general discussion of trade secrets and not specific to this case, which I seriously doubt has any merit at all.
And what SCO thinks is a secret is apparently the Unix source code is possess.
To have a trade secret you have to actively protect it. You can't just hand out source code willy-nilly, even if more copies end up being unauthorized...copyright violation is not a legit claim of 'theft' of trade secrets...anyone who could illegally copy the source could have legally browsed it whereever they copied it from and learned said trade secrets.
And once a trade secret is out, it's out.
There's not a legal leg to stand on. A business can't say 'Yes, this is a copyright violation, but our business depends on it, so we'll keep doing it.'. That's just completely absurd, legally.
If the code never was really GPL in the first place, which is what SCO claims, then the correct response isn't to 'keep fufilling the GPL', it's to issue an immediate recall.
If a store purchases a bunch of TVs, and some people comes in and places them on layaway, and then the police show up and say the TVs are stolen property, the store can't then continue to give out the stolen TVs, regardless of the store's contract with their customer.
And it's even more absurd for SCO to claim it has to follow the GPL by giving out code that it claims isn't under the GPL.
Note the 'sell' up there. Leaving source on an FTP might be possible to get away with...they suddenly discovered SCO source in Linux (which they didn't actually, the entire lawsuit is bogus, but let's pretend), and forgot to remove it.
But it's another thing completely to sell it, and not only ship it, but delibrately indemnify their own customers, which made their customers quite relieved they weren't in the crazy position of purchasing a copyright violation from the company enforcing said copyright, but made it utterly impossible for SCO to claim this was an accident...they delibrately shipped this fictional code under the GPL.
SCO just has no fucking clue at all. They did this groundless lawsuit as a PR stunt and managed to place themselves in a legally impossible position, because they stupidly thought they could continue to sell a product they claimed was illegal.
And hence SCO itself must immediately stop using Linux. Not just distributing, but using. ;)
The whole thing is completely absurd, as this 'organization' didn't exist when the alledged libel happened. And they don't actually document what the libel supposedly was.
And of course SPEWS lists providers who don't removed spammers, that's what SPEWS is, a list of providers that don't respond in a timely manner to spam complaints. Duh. That's clearly what it says on spews.org. (This is, of course, ignoring the fact that none of those people run SPEWS, but SPEWS isn't commiting libel anyway.)
Refusing to do business with someone until they refuse to do business with someone else isn't illegal in any form or fashion. It's even less illegal to simply hand out lists of businesses that do business with a certain other person, and let the person you're giving the list to decide what to do about it.
It might be illegal if they weren't doing business with said other person...but then it's nonsensical for that other person to complain, as they wouldn't be affected at all.
In short, all the blocklists claimed to do was to identify these people's IPs, or their ISP's IPs...and by filing a suit claiming they were hurt by such blacklisting, they just proved it wasn't libel!
And, um, spamming is illegal in a HELL of a lot of juridictions, I don't know what reality you're living in. Plenty of the people named in the suit live in places where spam is illegal, and they have in fact received spam from these spammers.
But, of course, there's no documented evidence that they have said such people are criminals...you'll note that Linford didn't make any such claims all in the article. Hell, all he did was say they are 'spammers', he didn't even say they were bad people. (Draw your own conclusions from the fact they are 'spammers'.)
He didn't have to arrive where he left from. They could aim the sphere at a specific location, and that's where he ended up if he kept it centered.
By default, though, if they weren't in a hurry, they sent the sphere back to the hanger, as then they didn't have to haul the thing halfway around the world.
That doesn't preclude something going faster than the speed of light, thus backwards in time, and it certainly doesn't preclude other methods of traveling through time. It just says that altering velocities from below speed of light to above speed of light, or above the speed of light to exactly the speed of light, or whatever combinations you can think of of those three things, does not and cannot work.
In fact, Einstein helped come up with an alternate method of time travel, an Einstein-Rosen bridge, aka, a wormhole. (Although trying to keep one of those open is left as an excersize for the reader.)
Screw uranium, buy the middle east and Alaska in 1850.
What are you talking about? Elvisisdead didn't mention anything about 'radical rad'.
Just pick a short subject and stick with it, like 'from me'. All mail from you without that subject is spam.
The problem is that most people don't even see the FTP login messages. (There's a similar problem with SMTP login message prohibiting spam.) So you can't really bar people there if you have anonymous FTP set up. Anyone can click past that in a web browser and never see it, much like you can't get solicters arrested for trespassing if you have a 'no solicting' sign at one entranceway and they come in another.
However, you can actually set up a real password system, and give out the username and password to a certain group of people on a webpage, which obviously does not include the BSA. They had to read the page to get the username and password, and thus had to read the fact they were not allowed on the server.
This won't protect your from the police, though, but they will need a search warrant. (Which will be incredibly easy to get if you claim to have warez or MP3s on the server.)
You are under no obligation to put anything in the envelope...send it back even if they can identify you, there's nothing they can do.