I know that most of my comments here do not get any traction. That is why I have not posted here in so long. I know that for this comment I might be modded as a troll or something like that. But I have been thinking for some time about liberated software in closed communist like countries for some time. I think it was N. Korea doing their own GNU+Linux that got me thinking more about the fact that for as much as we GNU geeks like to talk about Libre and the power of free speech given by FREEsoftware, I do not see very much of it coming to fruition. I do not see where liberated code has translated into free speech or what I see as more important in freedom of religion. The cross pollination of ideas provided by FLOSS is supposed to end up in liberation of minds. Yet all is see is the closed countries doing what they want with what they want and if the community did want to sue them which it does not, it does not have the money like Microsoft to do it anyway. Why would they be in violation? Simple non-compliance of the GPL v2 and v3 the most common license type used.
Your minimum standards for science might start with the standard scientific process of interdependently confirming the evidence. A few personal accounts or documents of major events of the prehistoric would be a start.
Incontrutable facts are not known as such until proved. Where you there when the Big Bang happened? Do you know some one who was? Are there transcripts of the event?
There are many theories on our origins but unless proved they are not known and can not be trusted as any thing else.
How can MS be bound by GPL3 if they avoided using GPL3ed code after June 29? Can you write code that is licensed by future versions of GPL? Wouldn't that make it dangerous for someone to use the code in case they do not like the future version?
Sorry for the ignorance
Cheers! FYI The important date is March 28. Just as some one as posted here and all over at ever forum he could find. Along with many of those posts he also posted an email that he got from the FSF regarding that issue. That person has made the point and its consequences very clear to all that would bother to read it.
Clearly most would rather ask questions that have already been answered.
That person with all of the heavy posting calls him self Brotherred. State the cold hard facts pertaining to the question asked and get a score 1. Nice
Mutations help support the evolutionary theory. New theories are always trying to debunk old ones.
As long as no one has physical proof no one really knows anything. Micro-evolution is not proof of anything other than minute changes. But they do like to gather evidence of their claims.
How can MS be bound by GPL3 if they avoided using GPL3ed code after June 29? Can you write code that is licensed by future versions of GPL? Wouldn't that make it dangerous for someone to use the code in case they do not like the future version?
Sorry for the ignorance
Cheers! FYI The important date is March 28. Just as some one as posted here and all over at ever forum he could find. Along with many of those posts he also posted an email that he got from the FSF regarding that issue. That person has made the point and its consequences very clear to all that would bother to read it.
Clearly most would rather ask questions that have already been answered.
That person with all of the heavy posting calls him self Brotherred.
You learn OS theory, sure, and you almost need an understanding of a lot of that to know all of what's going on around the Linux kernel, but you're not going to learn about the Linux kernel in an OS class. Agreed I once took a Unix course where we used Fedora Core 5,6 as the software. The book was called "Learning Unix using Linux".
There was not any talk of kernel modification in that whole book. The text book by the way came with a CD of FC5 and it said that it could not be copied or redistributed. I corrected them on that however. The publisher was Thomson.
You're glad you had to learn about a "registry?" WTF!??! The registry is one of the stupidest things ever put into windows. Copying it for gnome very well might be the stupidest thing EVER put on Linux, but I won't say that for sure because miguel de icaza does a LOT of dumb stuff on Linux. Quite right just like Moonlight which may just be the key for Microsoft's Silverlight to dominate its new space.
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"There is going to be a huge artificial wall of separation that is going to be problematic in the long term, mainly because it is not needed..."
Disagree. What is artificial is the invisible hardware issue in the Tivo and every other non Microsoft DVR that does not except modified code or custom devices (larger hard disks) added to the system.
You say hardwere I say software (checksum). Firmware is still code no matter where it is put.
This is not all that surprising. I mean Republicans typically like what appears to be tried and tested while the Democrats are normally more progressive. What is more to the point is that no one can argue that the Republicans are more entrenched with the incumbent "big business" in the software space.
GNU+Linux is for the people by the people even to the point of civil disobedience and that not by chance is the Democratic party appeal. Equally unsurprising is that those Republicans that do use GNU+Linux are careful to use Ubuntu-Christian even though that maybe just a ploy to paint them selves in a certain light while not really believing in the Judao+Christian values.
Yes it is interesting but only confirms my own views as Christian lover of Israel and user of a number of GNU+Linux distros.
The Novell deal is sepperated from the other deals by the all important March 28 date.
Anyone having questions should just email the FSF just as I did.
Per the opinion of the FSF that I have posted on Slashdot. Xandros is not GPL protected.
The previous poster is completely wrong. Xandros is now protected by Microsoft but that helps none because they can no longer disrepute.
I absolutely agree. However what has not been made an issue of is the fact that FSF still says that after ratification of gplv3 distros that have done these deals will be stopped from distributing.
Just take a look at the letter that I got yesterday from the FSF in response to a request for information about the Xandros deal.
{{[gnu.org #336634] Inbox
hide details 2:01 pm (1 hour ago)
date Jun 19, 2007 2:01 PM
subject [gnu.org #336634]
mailed-by gnu.org
Hello,
Please accept our apologies for the delay in getting back to you. We
rely on volunteer effort and often have difficulties keeping up.
I can't give you a precise answer because I don't have the details of
the Xandros-MS deal, and GPLv3 is not out yet.
But generally speaking, yes, GPLv3 would stop Xandros from distributing
GPLv3 software under a patent-discrimination agreement.
--
I am not a lawyer, the above is not legal advice
Regards, Yoni Rabkin}}
Um System67, Emperor Linux, Tux Machines, and like six others I can not remember the names of are all else where.
Do you honestly think that Dell is the only one on the planet doing GNU+Linux in OEM?
Now that they are using a Free as in freedom OS I suppose it is still too much to ask them to dispose of DRM and maybe even support.ogg the better codec?
Just dreaming really. No real hopes here.
This project is doomed from the start — take the pink glasses off for a second, and imagine the US government trying anything like it. This very forum would've been all mad about it — and justifiably so.
For example, consider the expected quality of support. We all complain about the poor Indians, who can't properly troubleshoot Dell computer problems. That's with English being the official language in India.
Now imagine the Chinese supporting these "Bolivarian computers". In Spanish...
Still it is a perfect example of how GNU+Linux will survive out side the US if not in it. RMS has even suggested that they MIGHT have to move the FSF overseas. We all have heard him say that the US government is just a tool for MS and he is not that far off.
...""Writing on the Linux Kernel Developers mailing list yesterday, Torvalds responded when a developer wrote that he (Torvalds) "was quite impressed with the toned down version of the final draft of GPLv3."
I was impressed in the sense that it was a hell of a lot better than the disaster that were the earlier drafts."">...............""All I've heard are shrill voices about "tivoization" (which I expressly think is ok) and panicked worries about Novell-MS (which seems way overblown, and quite frankly, the argument seems to not so much be about the Novell deal, as about an excuse to push the GPLv3).................""
Linus Torvolds has never believed in digital freedom and still does not. To him the people that pick their poison of a DVR between Tivo, Dishnetwork, and Direct TV do really have enough choice. Which as most any one knows are all hacked GNU+Linux set top boxes. I have a friend that can not legally drop in a new hard drive in his DVR. His perspective of the kernel of a lack of freedom to do what he needs to do and Linus says that this situation is okey.
Anyone that can say that such a situation should exist just makes me very very angry. Honestly how is that the freedom that so many of us enjoy with our GNU+Linux PC's??? I am really very much at a loss. Can some one explain this "FREEDOM" to me. This really makes me sick.
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I know that most of my comments here do not get any traction. That is why I have not posted here in so long. I know that for this comment I might be modded as a troll or something like that. But I have been thinking for some time about liberated software in closed communist like countries for some time. I think it was N. Korea doing their own GNU+Linux that got me thinking more about the fact that for as much as we GNU geeks like to talk about Libre and the power of free speech given by FREEsoftware, I do not see very much of it coming to fruition. I do not see where liberated code has translated into free speech or what I see as more important in freedom of religion. The cross pollination of ideas provided by FLOSS is supposed to end up in liberation of minds. Yet all is see is the closed countries doing what they want with what they want and if the community did want to sue them which it does not, it does not have the money like Microsoft to do it anyway. Why would they be in violation? Simple non-compliance of the GPL v2 and v3 the most common license type used.
"You can't get there from here."
ZING! Take that people who've given their time for free to a software product!
Mod up parent comment. I am very sure that the author of the site would take up submissions or hacking suggestions if offered in kindness.
First of all he did not say that he would not buy a portable media player. Just not the iPod.
If one searches for "ogg players" they will get a great list.
http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/PortablePlayers
Very easy. Perhaps he did just that. I did.
Your minimum standards for science might start with the standard scientific process of interdependently confirming the evidence. A few personal accounts or documents of major events of the prehistoric would be a start.
Mod parent up. Unless you were there.
Incontrutable facts are not known as such until proved. Where you there when the Big Bang happened? Do you know some one who was? Are there transcripts of the event? There are many theories on our origins but unless proved they are not known and can not be trusted as any thing else.
Making hardware vendors crank out more and more speed just to keep up with bloated software is not innovation.
Mutations help support the evolutionary theory. New theories are always trying to debunk old ones. As long as no one has physical proof no one really knows anything. Micro-evolution is not proof of anything other than minute changes. But they do like to gather evidence of their claims.
You learn OS theory, sure, and you almost need an understanding of a lot of that to know all of what's going on around the Linux kernel, but you're not going to learn about the Linux kernel in an OS class. Agreed I once took a Unix course where we used Fedora Core 5,6 as the software. The book was called "Learning Unix using Linux". There was not any talk of kernel modification in that whole book. The text book by the way came with a CD of FC5 and it said that it could not be copied or redistributed. I corrected them on that however. The publisher was Thomson.
"There is going to be a huge artificial wall of separation that is going to be problematic in the long term, mainly because it is not needed..." Disagree. What is artificial is the invisible hardware issue in the Tivo and every other non Microsoft DVR that does not except modified code or custom devices (larger hard disks) added to the system. You say hardwere I say software (checksum). Firmware is still code no matter where it is put.
This is not all that surprising. I mean Republicans typically like what appears to be tried and tested while the Democrats are normally more progressive. What is more to the point is that no one can argue that the Republicans are more entrenched with the incumbent "big business" in the software space. GNU+Linux is for the people by the people even to the point of civil disobedience and that not by chance is the Democratic party appeal. Equally unsurprising is that those Republicans that do use GNU+Linux are careful to use Ubuntu-Christian even though that maybe just a ploy to paint them selves in a certain light while not really believing in the Judao+Christian values. Yes it is interesting but only confirms my own views as Christian lover of Israel and user of a number of GNU+Linux distros.
Modded way too low. Very sad. These points are excellent.
Score 6+
The Novell deal is sepperated from the other deals by the all important March 28 date. Anyone having questions should just email the FSF just as I did.
Per the opinion of the FSF that I have posted on Slashdot. Xandros is not GPL protected. The previous poster is completely wrong. Xandros is now protected by Microsoft but that helps none because they can no longer disrepute.
Any letter from the FSF pertaining to this issue damn well requires a better score than 1.
I absolutely agree. However what has not been made an issue of is the fact that FSF still says that after ratification of gplv3 distros that have done these deals will be stopped from distributing. Just take a look at the letter that I got yesterday from the FSF in response to a request for information about the Xandros deal. {{[gnu.org #336634] Inbox hide details 2:01 pm (1 hour ago) date Jun 19, 2007 2:01 PM subject [gnu.org #336634] mailed-by gnu.org Hello, Please accept our apologies for the delay in getting back to you. We rely on volunteer effort and often have difficulties keeping up. I can't give you a precise answer because I don't have the details of the Xandros-MS deal, and GPLv3 is not out yet. But generally speaking, yes, GPLv3 would stop Xandros from distributing GPLv3 software under a patent-discrimination agreement. -- I am not a lawyer, the above is not legal advice Regards, Yoni Rabkin}}
Um System67, Emperor Linux, Tux Machines, and like six others I can not remember the names of are all else where. Do you honestly think that Dell is the only one on the planet doing GNU+Linux in OEM?
Now that they are using a Free as in freedom OS I suppose it is still too much to ask them to dispose of DRM and maybe even support .ogg the better codec?
Just dreaming really. No real hopes here.
This project is doomed from the start — take the pink glasses off for a second, and imagine the US government trying anything like it. This very forum would've been all mad about it — and justifiably so.
For example, consider the expected quality of support. We all complain about the poor Indians, who can't properly troubleshoot Dell computer problems. That's with English being the official language in India.
Now imagine the Chinese supporting these "Bolivarian computers". In Spanish...
Still it is a perfect example of how GNU+Linux will survive out side the US if not in it. RMS has even suggested that they MIGHT have to move the FSF overseas. We all have heard him say that the US government is just a tool for MS and he is not that far off.Begun the Microsoft (Clone) wars has. Finally some one with some idea of what is going on. It is all in the dates.
...""Writing on the Linux Kernel Developers mailing list yesterday, Torvalds responded when a developer wrote that he (Torvalds) "was quite impressed with the toned down version of the final draft of GPLv3." I was impressed in the sense that it was a hell of a lot better than the disaster that were the earlier drafts."">....... ........""All I've heard are shrill voices about "tivoization" (which I expressly think is ok) and panicked worries about Novell-MS (which seems way overblown, and quite frankly, the argument seems to not so much be about the Novell deal, as about an excuse to push the GPLv3).................""
Linus Torvolds has never believed in digital freedom and still does not. To him the people that pick their poison of a DVR between Tivo, Dishnetwork, and Direct TV do really have enough choice. Which as most any one knows are all hacked GNU+Linux set top boxes. I have a friend that can not legally drop in a new hard drive in his DVR. His perspective of the kernel of a lack of freedom to do what he needs to do and Linus says that this situation is okey.
Anyone that can say that such a situation should exist just makes me very very angry. Honestly how is that the freedom that so many of us enjoy with our GNU+Linux PC's??? I am really very much at a loss. Can some one explain this "FREEDOM" to me. This really makes me sick.