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I'm not in the software industry, and I don't know much about GPL.
But I do know that if my sole/product/ was software, I, too, would be leary about giving away the code for free.
Very true I hate to admit. If there is not hardware or a service to sell then selling the program and giving away the source just will not work together. I can not tell you how I hate to admit that.
This underscores the importance of learning your system. As my quote says "Those that do not know pay for it" Indeed many companies and organizations and individuals do not take the time to learn the programs that they are trying to run.
Along with that is the fact that "You will never know what you refuse to understand" Also one of my quotes. It is a vicious and expensive circle for those that are content with ignorance.
I just do not care about most of this what I want to know is:
What about the dates? All deals done after March 28 are not workable under GPLv3 final draft. There must be something that I am not seeing. But it all looks pretty clear. Unless this deal *was* done before March 28 and just announced now.
Yet no one has any idea what this could mean.
Regards
Brotherred
Everything works? So you can use Firefox at a reasonable speed when logged in as a second user now? You can use Beryl now? Those things sure don't work on the X1300 I bought (a horrible mistake) a couple months ago.
It's really absurd - if they'd just release the programming info for their hardware the X.org drivers would support this stuff inside a week.
DITTO and that is why as a exclusive AMD CPU user and current ATI user I am so pissed of at them. How do they dare tell us how hard they are working when they could make it so much easier on them selves. KISS OFF AMD/ATI! Go dig your self a grave!
This was pasted from the Phoronox forums where I have the same login. http://www.phoronix.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31 21&page=6
Wow. Show me the patents or shut up. Okey DITTO sure. But I want more and I think WE have it.
This part is key: "on May 31, which says that distributors that make discriminatory patent deals after March 28 may not convey software under GPLv3." Just when was this deal done? Current date is June 4, 2007!
What am I missing?
It is a Microsoft-World war. In case you haven't noticed over the last 20 years or so MS has attacked anyone that
they felt would take even.01% of what they consider to be revenue that belongs to them.
They don't believe in competition of any kind. The GPL is the only challenge to the MS monopoly that has a snowballs
chance in hell to make a dent in it.
Over the years I may have met one or two Unix bigots that were trying to eliminate any MS software running in the company
but I have met dozens of MS cult drones that reject anything that does not have the MS stamp of approval on it.
Most of these drones have zero understanding of architecture and infrastructure and why MS is not always one size fits all.
Freedom is divine. Its what is best for everyone.
and yes I do have ADD. You couldn't tell from my posts? Yep FOSS is the only thing that so far has put up a real fight. There is not a single proprietary company anywhere that can begin to be a threat.
GPLv3 is a key event in Microsoft's war to divide and conquer the Free Software / Open Source community. Most of the Linux industry seems to be betting on GPLv3 to put an end to Microsoft's patent claims. My question is simply: is Microsoft sitting around scratching its head, or has it already started on the next level of play...? Are we going to see those 235 patents handed over to the community, or are we instead going to see "IP Bridges" as the next great Product to come out of Redmond? I can not imagine an IP bridge that MS would want under GPLv3. In fact before we talk about what they want to do about their claims, lets wait an see what the are going to do about their patents being spread out to the broader community and these SLES coupons not having any end date.
As for what they are doing now. I am seeing reports about a Xandros and MS deal on eWeek.com but the link is dead so far. It seems either it is not a real event or eWeek is borked as normal.
Gpl3 is divisive, but correct in this case. Companies like Tivo benefit from the OSS model of tinker/hack/remake and still restrict users in doing the same. The same privileges that are extended to end users with the source code should be established with the freedom to tinker.
If Tivo feels that DRM is worth more than continued use of GPL software, so be it. Well said. I love that last comment.
This issue has been hot for a while. So I just pulled a comment that I had written on my Frapper some time ago. Yes I know that anything connected with Google is not FREE but I do not maintain a real blog to this just works for me.
The point of freesoftware
The technology in freesoftware, the companies that support its growth and build on it and even its users are all tools. Novell has forgotten this, simple fact. The principle difference between open source and freesoftware is that in open source all of the rights to use it with out restriction are not protected. The GPL puts no limits on the cost of software production, packaging or distribution.
To brake this down a little:
1. The point of freesoftware is not so people can get a program with out cost.
2. The point of freesoftware is not to make it popular.
3. The point of freesoftware is not to make great technology.
4. The point of freesoftware is not to make rich CEO's even more rich.
The point is to free the user of the tyranny of monopolistic situations and doing so primarily in the digital space.
Some or all of the non-points listed must take place at some point in time for real freedom to come to said users, clearly that is true.
Novell has been in the past a tool for that very cause. That may not be so in the future. I have even told them these very things. I also look forward to telling them again in person at the Ohio Linux Fest. Um well um that would refer to GNU+Linux of course. Maybe there will be some talk of GNU+Hurd there as well. Then I guess you can not really consider such and event specific to GNU+Linux.
Call me a Stallmanite. I do not care. You know I am right. The software that some of you are such fans of would not even exist if it were not for this most simple, most important, most forgotten, fact.
Novel has forgotten this and Tivo has clearly never bothered to understand it.
Yeah just like Windows Server 2003. Thanx for that shaft BSD.
Hey I look at it this way. If Tivo and Novel are not happy with the license that goes with our code then they are FREE to write their own to go with their own code built in house!!!
After running RH9 from a dialup connection. And there for not seeing at that time a way to connect to the Internet. It was Firefox and its resulting community that taught me about developer/ user freedom.
So your having ported all of the best of your freesoftware (Not Open Source, thanx to RMS) has turned me in to a digital freedom fanatic. For me your claim is way way off.
Regards,
Brotherred
I do not know much but I am putting GNU+Linux on cheap machines and letting my buddy sell them at a used goods store.
He has told me some things that I am still trying to put into action.
1. People like to buy but they do not like to be sold. 2. When you go to a steak house you do not buy the piece of meat but the sizzle on the hot plate. (A little bit added for explanation). 3. You do not have to tell everything you know. (That came from someone else).
Most of that came about because about this old pc that I had worked very hard on. Because I am the only one that knew anything about it I tried to help sell it as well. He said that he thought I was telling people not to buy it.
Why even go so far as to say that some patents might need to be worked around? Before knowing anything this claim violates its on cause. This is SCO round 3 period.
Ditto to all of that! Also it seems that Bill has been spending too much time with his closed minded eerr I mean closed source buddies. It seems he forgot that Yahoo runs BSD and now according to reports a lot more GNU+Linux as well as most Internet sites. Google Maps for one requires that all content resellers run Red Hat Linux. Yeah FOSS is dead that makes sense to me.
Ditto. And if I can add one more thing it is that Linus does not see the problem with Tivo. This is made plain to me in your post but perhaps not others. Linus says that if people do not like Tivo then they will use something else. That for some or most on this board is true with MITH. However for most people using Tivo or the Tivo like device which they got from their provider is their only option and if they do not like it they can switch to another provider that has the same bigbrother techniches that Tivo has. What is more we all know that these are just PC's yet if one tries to drop in a bigger hardrive then they also will need to hack the BIOS with some sort of program work around. This is not freedom and as you said Linus just does not get it.
I say sure GPLv2 is just fine and Tivo is the best thing sense we found out we were being watched for everything we do.
Hey that is funny. I first clicked this link because the title line makes you look like a MS troll. No honestly this post is funny and you had me going there untill I clicked and read it.
Slashdot Mirror
But I do know that if my sole
Very true I hate to admit. If there is not hardware or a service to sell then selling the program and giving away the source just will not work together. I can not tell you how I hate to admit that.
This underscores the importance of learning your system. As my quote says "Those that do not know pay for it" Indeed many companies and organizations and individuals do not take the time to learn the programs that they are trying to run. Along with that is the fact that "You will never know what you refuse to understand" Also one of my quotes. It is a vicious and expensive circle for those that are content with ignorance.
I just do not care about most of this what I want to know is: What about the dates? All deals done after March 28 are not workable under GPLv3 final draft. There must be something that I am not seeing. But it all looks pretty clear. Unless this deal *was* done before March 28 and just announced now. Yet no one has any idea what this could mean. Regards Brotherred
Everything works? So you can use Firefox at a reasonable speed when logged in as a second user now? You can use Beryl now? Those things sure don't work on the X1300 I bought (a horrible mistake) a couple months ago.
It's really absurd - if they'd just release the programming info for their hardware the X.org drivers would support this stuff inside a week.
DITTO and that is why as a exclusive AMD CPU user and current ATI user I am so pissed of at them. How do they dare tell us how hard they are working when they could make it so much easier on them selves. KISS OFF AMD/ATI! Go dig your self a grave! This was pasted from the Phoronox forums where I have the same login. http://www.phoronix.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3I can not imagine an IP bridge that MS would want under GPLv3. In fact before we talk about what they want to do about their claims, lets wait an see what the are going to do about their patents being spread out to the broader community and these SLES coupons not having any end date. As for what they are doing now. I am seeing reports about a Xandros and MS deal on eWeek.com but the link is dead so far. It seems either it is not a real event or eWeek is borked as normal.
If Tivo feels that DRM is worth more than continued use of GPL software, so be it. Well said. I love that last comment. This issue has been hot for a while. So I just pulled a comment that I had written on my Frapper some time ago. Yes I know that anything connected with Google is not FREE but I do not maintain a real blog to this just works for me. The point of freesoftware The technology in freesoftware, the companies that support its growth and build on it and even its users are all tools. Novell has forgotten this, simple fact. The principle difference between open source and freesoftware is that in open source all of the rights to use it with out restriction are not protected. The GPL puts no limits on the cost of software production, packaging or distribution. To brake this down a little: 1. The point of freesoftware is not so people can get a program with out cost. 2. The point of freesoftware is not to make it popular. 3. The point of freesoftware is not to make great technology. 4. The point of freesoftware is not to make rich CEO's even more rich. The point is to free the user of the tyranny of monopolistic situations and doing so primarily in the digital space. Some or all of the non-points listed must take place at some point in time for real freedom to come to said users, clearly that is true. Novell has been in the past a tool for that very cause. That may not be so in the future. I have even told them these very things. I also look forward to telling them again in person at the Ohio Linux Fest. Um well um that would refer to GNU+Linux of course. Maybe there will be some talk of GNU+Hurd there as well. Then I guess you can not really consider such and event specific to GNU+Linux. Call me a Stallmanite. I do not care. You know I am right. The software that some of you are such fans of would not even exist if it were not for this most simple, most important, most forgotten, fact. Novel has forgotten this and Tivo has clearly never bothered to understand it.
Yeah just like Windows Server 2003. Thanx for that shaft BSD. Hey I look at it this way. If Tivo and Novel are not happy with the license that goes with our code then they are FREE to write their own to go with their own code built in house!!!
After running RH9 from a dialup connection. And there for not seeing at that time a way to connect to the Internet. It was Firefox and its resulting community that taught me about developer/ user freedom. So your having ported all of the best of your freesoftware (Not Open Source, thanx to RMS) has turned me in to a digital freedom fanatic. For me your claim is way way off. Regards, Brotherred
Nice input. Besides the real issue is not the technology but the bad implantation. They owe it to their customers for a fix very soon.
I do not know much but I am putting GNU+Linux on cheap machines and letting my buddy sell them at a used goods store.
He has told me some things that I am still trying to put into action.
1. People like to buy but they do not like to be sold.
2. When you go to a steak house you do not buy the piece of meat but the sizzle on the hot plate. (A little bit added for explanation).
3. You do not have to tell everything you know. (That came from someone else).
Most of that came about because about this old pc that I had worked very hard on. Because I am the only one that knew anything about it I tried to help sell it as well. He said that he thought I was telling people not to buy it.
Really I was just talking too much.
Why even go so far as to say that some patents might need to be worked around? Before knowing anything this claim violates its on cause. This is SCO round 3 period.
I would love to see the third trilogy of SCO. MS verses every one but Santa Cruse Operation. lol bring it on.
Ditto to all of that! Also it seems that Bill has been spending too much time with his closed minded eerr I mean closed source buddies. It seems he forgot that Yahoo runs BSD and now according to reports a lot more GNU+Linux as well as most Internet sites. Google Maps for one requires that all content resellers run Red Hat Linux. Yeah FOSS is dead that makes sense to me.
I for some reason always liked Alien vs. Predator.
Ditto. And if I can add one more thing it is that Linus does not see the problem with Tivo. This is made plain to me in your post but perhaps not others. Linus says that if people do not like Tivo then they will use something else. That for some or most on this board is true with MITH. However for most people using Tivo or the Tivo like device which they got from their provider is their only option and if they do not like it they can switch to another provider that has the same bigbrother techniches that Tivo has. What is more we all know that these are just PC's yet if one tries to drop in a bigger hardrive then they also will need to hack the BIOS with some sort of program work around. This is not freedom and as you said Linus just does not get it. I say sure GPLv2 is just fine and Tivo is the best thing sense we found out we were being watched for everything we do.
Hey that is funny. I first clicked this link because the title line makes you look like a MS troll. No honestly this post is funny and you had me going there untill I clicked and read it.