What I am kind of suggesting, is that if this thread had happened in a room with all participants face to face, you would never have made that comment because you would have gotten the cues from the offending poster's expressions etc. that the last thing they, or anyone else cared about at that point in time, was spelling and grammer.
You're making the assumption that he wouldn't want to be corrected. Like I said previously, if I was posting in French or Spanish (both of which I'm not very good at), I would appreciate correction and a place to check my posts for proper French/Spanish spelling.
The cues I got are that they are not a native english speaker. Look at the misspellings. If the misspellings were common mistakes, I would think differently. However, most are phonetic mistakes that would be common to someone not familiar with the language. That's why I did what I would want someone to do for me should I be posting in a foreign language.
You saw a bunch of misspellings and assume ADD/Dyslexia. I saw the mistakes and assumed non-English speaker who would appreciate help.
Honestly--going by your "act like you would in real life"--it probably would have been better for you to let the OP respond if he took offense at my post, rather than assuming no one wants to be corrected and flaming me. In real life if I corrected someone and they didn't respond, you wouldn't walk over to me and say "Goddamn I hate pricks like you, always trying to correct people. Fucking asshole." At least I would hope you'd know better than that.;)
If it sounds/looks like the guy doesn't speak English natively, yes, I would stop and talk to him. I would try to help him find the words he's looking for and how to use them.
If he's clearly a native speaker and just not making sense, I'd ask him to repeat himself or tell him I don't understand and ask if he can rephrase it. If I don't understand it at that point I'd probably smile and nod, then move on.
If he's clearly got mental problems, I'd just move on without trying to correct him.
The problem is, I can't tell which situation it is on the internet. So I tried to help. Believe it or not, I'm interacting in pretty much the way I would in the real world.
Interesting perspective. You have the idea that I'm correcting him because for some reason I hate misspelling? You think that someone who doesn't know how to spell is just born that way and it's wrong to ask them to change? Wow, that's messed up. Did you have some kind of traumatic episode with your English teacher?
I could care less about someone using proper grammar, some people just can't get a handle on it--especially people who are learning English as a second language--and I understand that. As with spelling, who cares if someone misspells one to five words in a post? As long as you can understand them, right?
In the previous post, one out of every five words is misspelled and the misspellings made it hard to read the post. "cahser", "repset"? What is a "repset"? The problem here is that they end up looking like a third-grader who stumbled across a computer. Because some words were so far off, I would have to guess that they aren't native English-speakers. If they're still learning English, they probably know how bad their spelling is. I suggested a place they could go to check any future posts.
You can write this off as the behavior of a "spelling nazi". Just keep in mind that I would be thankful if someone did the same for me were I posting in French or Spanish.
But then, you're just trolling; this post was a waste of time and I shouldn't expect an intelligent conversation.
Anyway, if you want a cool, quiet, long-running notebook, try the Compaq Armada M300. 3.1lbs (with battery), 600MHz Pentium III (with SpeedStep), 3 hour battery life, built-in Intel Pro/100 ethernet and modem, USB, a cardbus slot for wifi, nice XGA screen, decent keyboard, magnesium case. Oh, and it's about $400 on eBay. Try getting an Apple system with an XGA screen for that price.
No thanks, I'd rather spend $250* more and have a 750MHz iBook with a 5 hour battery life**, built-in 10/100 ethernet and modem, USB, internal wifi (including the card), a 2" larger XGA screen, nice keyboard, beautiful case, Firewire, and built-in CDRW/DVD.
*That's how much I spent four months ago on mine. If that's too much for you, there are a couple with the smaller 12" screen (same as the M300) on ebay right now for less than $400.
**Maximum battery life under light use (for example, reading an ebook with wifi off). Under normal usage the battery life is closer to 4-4.5 hours. Minimum battery life (wifi on, cdrom spinning fast, cpu usage high) is 2-2.5 hours.
Situation: Someone posts a comment without any supporting evidence.
Lets take a look at our strategies.
Me: Ask if the poster has any proof of the accusations.
You: Suggest a lawsuit. Insult the poster. Threaten bodily harm to the poster.
I have to say, I don't think that your strategy is very strong. You're more likely to end up with no one taking you seriously, getting modded flamebait/troll, and maybe even looking a tad crazy.
While I thank you for your concern that I may be taking the wrong approach, I think I'll stick with my current method.
I can understand not liking people who are "spelling nazis". Maybe you should go back and take a look at the post.
Realy repset cahser proably throught . sim lir proablems excange occured Crissmas . har dwear wounderful gifes hapens perfictly . li te wich wate untill dosen't . wount littera ly head quirters finaly gose . Costmer Sirveice threteans imditly distric . basicly inconvinec stroy Roaly
The post made my eyes bleed, so I made the comment that he/she may want to use a spell check next time. I don't care about two or three misspelled words. But when it's two or three misspelled words per sentence it just makes the post hard to read and the poster looks ignorant. I was giving him some advice, not calling him an idiot.
Your time would have been better spent flaming the ones that correct someone who wrote "their" instead of "they're" or "thier" instead of "their".
It also depends on how they learn it. You are correct in that if they formally learn it, they will probably know how to spell.
However, if they are learning it informally by watching English-language TV and Movies--or the cheap CD-only language-for-travel courses--they'll likely have much worse spelling since they have seldom (if ever) seen the words they're learning.
The only way PSP could compete is if they had a CD drive to play PSX (or even PS2) games!
I guess my only concern would be weight and battery life - two screens are going to suck down those batteries like crazy, and it doesn't look particularly light in general.
A CD drive would suck a lot more battery than the two screens.
And I can't imagine the DS being anything but light. The GBA SP is very light, and all they're adding with this is another screen and a little more plastic. Weight shouldn't be an issue.
The X800 and the 6800 are virtually neck and neck as far as performance goes, but the X800 seems to have much better ancillary features (power and cooling reqs, image quality)
The only way anyone can claim the X800 has better image quality is if you've got AA and AF turned off on both cards and are playing a game that doesn't support PS3.0. Even then it's probably too close to call. With AA and AF, the Geforce clearly clearly has superior IQ.
The power and cooling reqs aren't that different either. The 6800 only requires 20W more than the 5900. However, that is enough that it will be a consideration to some.
The X800 is probably what those who want the best speed will go for. However, I think the 6800GT is going to be the best bang for the buck this round.
You just go up to the nice salesman and tell him "I need a new car." Then you go buy whatever car he tells you fits your needs.
Of course, that's for people like you who don't want to be overwhelmed with choices. The rest of us will do a little research on our own and figure out which one is perfect for us.
It's interesting you point out that "Even the devil can cite scripture for his purpose", and then proceed to assume it's only fair to include vulnerabilities of one of the most exploited scripting environments in order to inflate the Apache vulnerability count. Completely ignoring the fact that vanilla Apache has fewer vulnerabilities than IIS.
If you insist on including a scripting module, why didn't you choose the popular mod_perl? Oh, whoops, that's not nearly as close!
The problems with your AMD systems is just an instance of a PEBKAC.
AMD CPUs are just as reliable as Intel CPUs. In fact, I've never seen an unreliable CPU; but I've seen plenty of bad RAM and bad motherboards.
You don't get a reliable system by slapping an AMD chip onto a $30 motherboard with $20 RAM. And certainly shouldn't be blaming an AMD (or Intel) CPU for any stability issues.
You need to name apps... iPhoto iMovie iDVD iCal iTunes iChat AV Garage Band Xcode 1.2 GCC 3.3 CHUD Tools 3.5 Quicktime 6.5 Hey, why not throw in the iTunes Music Store too; Apple made it and we can use it!
There's 12 things right there! Grandparent only mentioned 7.
12 > 7 Therefore Mac > Windows.
Yes, I am aware that this whole thread is stupid and completely pointless.
Are you really saying that a record company that effectively blocked this worm deserves my business?
Well, yeah. If they don't care enough to keep their business up and running, what makes you think they're going to put any more than the bare minimum into the product they produce?
Yeah, I'm sure there are some exceptions, but he has a point. If they don't care enough to make sure they can do business, they don't deserve to do business.
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What I am kind of suggesting, is that if this thread had happened in a room with all participants face to face, you would never have made that comment because you would have gotten the cues from the offending poster's expressions etc. that the last thing they, or anyone else cared about at that point in time, was spelling and grammer.
;)
You're making the assumption that he wouldn't want to be corrected. Like I said previously, if I was posting in French or Spanish (both of which I'm not very good at), I would appreciate correction and a place to check my posts for proper French/Spanish spelling.
The cues I got are that they are not a native english speaker. Look at the misspellings. If the misspellings were common mistakes, I would think differently. However, most are phonetic mistakes that would be common to someone not familiar with the language. That's why I did what I would want someone to do for me should I be posting in a foreign language.
You saw a bunch of misspellings and assume ADD/Dyslexia. I saw the mistakes and assumed non-English speaker who would appreciate help.
Honestly--going by your "act like you would in real life"--it probably would have been better for you to let the OP respond if he took offense at my post, rather than assuming no one wants to be corrected and flaming me.
In real life if I corrected someone and they didn't respond, you wouldn't walk over to me and say "Goddamn I hate pricks like you, always trying to correct people. Fucking asshole." At least I would hope you'd know better than that.
It depends...
If it sounds/looks like the guy doesn't speak English natively, yes, I would stop and talk to him. I would try to help him find the words he's looking for and how to use them.
If he's clearly a native speaker and just not making sense, I'd ask him to repeat himself or tell him I don't understand and ask if he can rephrase it. If I don't understand it at that point I'd probably smile and nod, then move on.
If he's clearly got mental problems, I'd just move on without trying to correct him.
The problem is, I can't tell which situation it is on the internet. So I tried to help. Believe it or not, I'm interacting in pretty much the way I would in the real world.
Interesting perspective. You have the idea that I'm correcting him because for some reason I hate misspelling? You think that someone who doesn't know how to spell is just born that way and it's wrong to ask them to change? Wow, that's messed up. Did you have some kind of traumatic episode with your English teacher?
I could care less about someone using proper grammar, some people just can't get a handle on it--especially people who are learning English as a second language--and I understand that. As with spelling, who cares if someone misspells one to five words in a post? As long as you can understand them, right?
In the previous post, one out of every five words is misspelled and the misspellings made it hard to read the post. "cahser", "repset"? What is a "repset"? The problem here is that they end up looking like a third-grader who stumbled across a computer. Because some words were so far off, I would have to guess that they aren't native English-speakers. If they're still learning English, they probably know how bad their spelling is. I suggested a place they could go to check any future posts.
You can write this off as the behavior of a "spelling nazi". Just keep in mind that I would be thankful if someone did the same for me were I posting in French or Spanish.
But then, you're just trolling; this post was a waste of time and I shouldn't expect an intelligent conversation.
Anyway, if you want a cool, quiet, long-running notebook, try the Compaq Armada M300. 3.1lbs (with battery), 600MHz Pentium III (with SpeedStep), 3 hour battery life, built-in Intel Pro/100 ethernet and modem, USB, a cardbus slot for wifi, nice XGA screen, decent keyboard, magnesium case.
Oh, and it's about $400 on eBay. Try getting an Apple system with an XGA screen for that price.
No thanks, I'd rather spend $250* more and have a 750MHz iBook with a 5 hour battery life**, built-in 10/100 ethernet and modem, USB, internal wifi (including the card), a 2" larger XGA screen, nice keyboard, beautiful case, Firewire, and built-in CDRW/DVD.
*That's how much I spent four months ago on mine. If that's too much for you, there are a couple with the smaller 12" screen (same as the M300) on ebay right now for less than $400.
**Maximum battery life under light use (for example, reading an ebook with wifi off). Under normal usage the battery life is closer to 4-4.5 hours. Minimum battery life (wifi on, cdrom spinning fast, cpu usage high) is 2-2.5 hours.
Situation: Someone posts a comment without any supporting evidence.
Lets take a look at our strategies.
Me:
Ask if the poster has any proof of the accusations.
You:
Suggest a lawsuit.
Insult the poster.
Threaten bodily harm to the poster.
I have to say, I don't think that your strategy is very strong. You're more likely to end up with no one taking you seriously, getting modded flamebait/troll, and maybe even looking a tad crazy.
While I thank you for your concern that I may be taking the wrong approach, I think I'll stick with my current method.
Thanks.
Because he's making the accusation without providing facts to back it up?
How about this example:
"Many people believe John Courtland is a child molestor."
Prove me wrong.
Do you have any facts to back up your accusations?
I can understand not liking people who are "spelling nazis". Maybe you should go back and take a look at the post.
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Crissmas
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wounderful
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perfictly
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wate
untill
dosen't
.
wount
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head quirters
finaly
gose
.
Costmer Sirveice
threteans
imditly
distric
.
basicly
inconvinec
stroy
Roaly
The post made my eyes bleed, so I made the comment that he/she may want to use a spell check next time. I don't care about two or three misspelled words. But when it's two or three misspelled words per sentence it just makes the post hard to read and the poster looks ignorant. I was giving him some advice, not calling him an idiot.
Your time would have been better spent flaming the ones that correct someone who wrote "their" instead of "they're" or "thier" instead of "their".
It also depends on how they learn it.
You are correct in that if they formally learn it, they will probably know how to spell.
However, if they are learning it informally by watching English-language TV and Movies--or the cheap CD-only language-for-travel courses--they'll likely have much worse spelling since they have seldom (if ever) seen the words they're learning.
Please tell me English isn't your native language.
;)
If English is your native language, pay more attention in school.
If it's not, I understand. However, while you're learning the language you should run any large posts through a spell-check.
Thanks, that's actually what I wanted to post, but only had a link to the RFC handy.
Sounds like a good way to create some jobs! Great idea!
You're both wrong, it makes the most sense to say 2004, May 9.
Take a look at RFC 3339
...or you could get a Zaurus now.
switching to Linux then realising its an admin nightmare
You've obviously never admin'd both a Windows network and a Linux network.
The only way PSP could compete is if they had a CD drive to play PSX (or even PS2) games!
I guess my only concern would be weight and battery life - two screens are going to suck down those batteries like crazy, and it doesn't look particularly light in general.
A CD drive would suck a lot more battery than the two screens.
And I can't imagine the DS being anything but light. The GBA SP is very light, and all they're adding with this is another screen and a little more plastic. Weight shouldn't be an issue.
The X800 and the 6800 are virtually neck and neck as far as performance goes, but the X800 seems to have much better ancillary features (power and cooling reqs, image quality)
The only way anyone can claim the X800 has better image quality is if you've got AA and AF turned off on both cards and are playing a game that doesn't support PS3.0. Even then it's probably too close to call.
With AA and AF, the Geforce clearly clearly has superior IQ.
The power and cooling reqs aren't that different either. The 6800 only requires 20W more than the 5900. However, that is enough that it will be a consideration to some.
The X800 is probably what those who want the best speed will go for.
However, I think the 6800GT is going to be the best bang for the buck this round.
You're right!
Are you trying to say he made a mistake?
If you are, let me make it easier for you to understand the joke:
99
-100
-----
-1
;)
You just go up to the nice salesman and tell him "I need a new car." Then you go buy whatever car he tells you fits your needs.
Of course, that's for people like you who don't want to be overwhelmed with choices. The rest of us will do a little research on our own and figure out which one is perfect for us.
It's interesting you point out that "Even the devil can cite scripture for his purpose", and then proceed to assume it's only fair to include vulnerabilities of one of the most exploited scripting environments in order to inflate the Apache vulnerability count. Completely ignoring the fact that vanilla Apache has fewer vulnerabilities than IIS.
;)
If you insist on including a scripting module, why didn't you choose the popular mod_perl?
Oh, whoops, that's not nearly as close!
Funny how that works.
So what have you been doing with your AMD systems?
I'm interested because I've never seen an unstable system that was unstable because of the brand of CPU being used.
The problems with your AMD systems is just an instance of a PEBKAC.
AMD CPUs are just as reliable as Intel CPUs. In fact, I've never seen an unreliable CPU; but I've seen plenty of bad RAM and bad motherboards.
You don't get a reliable system by slapping an AMD chip onto a $30 motherboard with $20 RAM. And certainly shouldn't be blaming an AMD (or Intel) CPU for any stability issues.
So you agree they still support old versions of their OS and no one is forcing you to upgrade, great.
No no no...
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You need to name apps...
iPhoto
iMovie
iDVD
iCal
iTunes
iCha
Garage Band
Xcode 1.2
GCC 3.3
CHUD Tools 3.5
Quicktime 6.5
Hey, why not throw in the iTunes Music Store too; Apple made it and we can use it!
There's 12 things right there! Grandparent only mentioned 7.
12 > 7
Therefore Mac > Windows.
Yes, I am aware that this whole thread is stupid and completely pointless.
Are you really saying that a record company that effectively blocked this worm deserves my business?
Well, yeah. If they don't care enough to keep their business up and running, what makes you think they're going to put any more than the bare minimum into the product they produce?
Yeah, I'm sure there are some exceptions, but he has a point. If they don't care enough to make sure they can do business, they don't deserve to do business.