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Ignalum Linux - A Bridge to Windows?
linux slacker writes "Ignalum Linux 'is an intuitive graphical environment that works right out of the box and offers unrivaled compatibility with Microsoft Windows' or so says their website. The company is owned by four university students in Ontario, and one of their goals is to allow companies to incorporate Linux into their Windows environment, so users could still run Word, Excel and other popular Microsoft fare."
Companies could run this alongside their Unix workstations to help in their migration to Windows.
Just a thought!
I've tried out Ignoble Linux and it did everything that the box promised. The uptime is astounding, and p2p works out of the box. Thanks to the folks in Ontorio for making it!
...what happened to 1 through to 8? :)
Does the world really need another Linux distribution? I know I'll be modded to hell for this, but why?
"Better" windows compatability still isn't 100%. And J. R. Sixpack is gonna be as confused as hell when his system which he bought which is "compatible with Windows" won't run some random program he found on a shovelware CD.
If I wanted windows, i would be running windows.
:)
Slackware is more my thingy
Well, I guess this will provide them with more stable computers atleast.
Ps, stop making Linux-Windows dists. and start making apps that they could use insted of windows-apps.
And btw, my english sucks.
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They look like it's just another variety of Linux. How their compatability is better than others, I have no idea...
Could this possibly be the answer to gaming on Linux? As an avid gamer, the main thing that has kept me from using Linux as my primary OS is the fact that its support for the games I grew up loving is very limited. While I love the newer open source games, I'm just too attached to my old games to fully migrate to Linux...
I am a bit wary of a Linux company that posts screenshots of their 'product' while being root every time. What kind of message does this send out ... "Yeah, it's ok to log in as root all the time" ?
Veni, Vidi, Velcro!
Well, being able to run word and powerpoint sounds great..but 2.4.20 and KDE 3.1 with an old mozilla doesn't sound quite great. Looks like this distro's gonna need lot of upgrade
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Wasn't Lindows going to provide near 100% compatiblity with windows?
Haven't there been endless attempts at windows-compatible linux distros?
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Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
If its really compatible it should be able to run also all those nice programs that are installed over the net automagically. :-)
So wasn't this same thing tried with OS/2? Better multitasking and the ability to run Win32 apps just as if you were on Windows? Only the apps never worked as well as they did on Windows and while some things were better - it was basically just a waste of time. I think there are enough Office Like apps that copy Office enough for usability, the focus should be on interop with file formats - I see that as what is really holding adoption back.
... not that there's another Linux distribution, but there's yet another that tries to be Windows. Every day, I care less and less if Linux becomes a mainstream OS.
:)
You want 100% Windows compatability? Run Windows.
:wq
Will these guys be able to offer a valid alternative to the Linspire/ Lindows trainwreck? And will they not get crushed by the 800 pound gorilla that is the MS legal department? (I'm sure they're going after these guys, and 4 college students don't exactly sound like they have a lot of assets). Let's hope they survive, choice is good for us all.
Will wank off Linus Torvalds for fame.
Finally, ObviousGuy returns to his old trolling self! That post will be used against you in a future troll.
Everything they claim is perfectly able to be done with existing sudo-emulators.
For instance with Suse when you buy a retail version you get a liscence for Codeweaver's crossover stuff.
You can then run Office 2000, IE 6.0, Quicktime, Quicken and other applications.
So if you do want to run Linux but will not because it doesn't have support from your favorite windows apps, then there are options.
Almost any distro can be made to work. But I suppose it would be convenient to have one that was designed specificly to work with Windows apps right out of the box.
Presumably this is done using Wine? Their home page is slash-dotted so I can't check. This page mentions DirectX so maybe they have some deal with TransGaming and are using WineX?
Struggling to find a day everyone can make? WhenShallWe.com
Didn't Lindows (as they were known then) try to do this then fail miserably? It's not as if this is the first distro to try running Microsoft applications. And what happens when the next version of Office, designed specifically not to work on wine, comes out?
Mod parent up!
Seems like a good idea to me. In making Linux apps run on Windows, it takes the battle to Microsoft's camp and gains exposure.
Surely a bridge from windows?
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Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
Current google cash posted above doesn't seem to work -- try this one instead people
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..hmm, though I do wonder where the trolls will hang out ?!
1) Is Ignalum a source distribution, built from LFs, or an enhanced version of an existing distribution?
2)Are exe files associated with WINE so Windows installers just work
3)Kernel version?
4)Obviously KDE 3.x from the s/shot linked above, but is it a full or stripped-down version?
5)Are they using a Windows driver wrapper to allow win32 device drivers to function as well?
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
In many companies, a much easier battle is to get the company to move, say, for Microsoft Outlook to Thunderbird, or IE to Mozilla. Also of course MS Office to OpenOffice. I think this is a much better battle to try to fight than trying to get the whole desktop moved to Linux. Once the company has moved the desktop applications over to open source ones, then it is time to move to Linux.
Trying to get companies to move to Linux by moving MS Office to Linux is nuts.
...but their site seems to have been /.'ed with record speed.
I would greatly prefer to run 100% linux, but I have VMWare installed just to run photoshop and access the occasional website that has gets trashed without the worlds most standand non-standards-complient browser.
It's projects like this that really piss me off.
Sure, the goal of the project is very admirable. More compatibility, no matter where (as long as it isn't breaking things) is a good thing.
But why didn't these uni students spend their time helping the projects that are already there. Now, we have an extra project, using existing tools (presumably hacked to be better), and now the existing tools have to find out what hacks were used to make their improvement.
These guys have put themselves an unwanted middleman in the compatibility/innovation process, and it annoys the hell out of me.
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The last digit of pi is four.
You need to take 1st year maths again, I think.
After 3 comes 4, not 1.
Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
Even Google's Cache is slashdotted. Can no web server survive the wrath of Slashdot?
Personally, I use Win4Lin. It's runs windows as either a separate window or in full screen mode (think X Windows but running Windws). I sometimes like to run win4lin in full screen mode and confuse people since it's almost impossible to tell you're running it under linux until you try to do low-level stuff like configuring device drivers & network stuff. It's a really great product; but only runs Windows 98 (heard they're working on Win2K version), and doesn't do directx games. Other than that, everything works -- Microsoft Office, IE, Kazaa, chessmaster etc. I'll be happy to provide more details on request. Oh yes, I have no links to said company other than being a very satisfied customer.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
"...or so says their website."
Uh, no. Their website doesn't say anything anymore. Indeed, it's apparently powered by something called "PostNuke".
/. --- because the net needed a gratuitous Heisenberg effect.
The screenshots look incredibly ordinary. No emulated Windows programs, or even anything that looks remarkably different from Fedora Core. It doesn't look that much easier to use either.
We'll see how useful it really is when the reviews come out.
Does Ignoble Linux withstand /.ing in any admirable manner, though? *grin*
Not Buzzword 2.0 compliant. Please speak english.
It seems like hype, sales speak that promotes the product as any other linux to the windows market. nothing revolutionary.
so whats it to those that oppose the msft monopoly? well as stated its nothing revolutionary so its not a killer, but it is of value as its another local effort to promote linux siding many others.
Trying to get companies to move to Linux by Moving MS Office to Linux isn't nuts, but in itself its a lost crusade as if people care about their application they wouldn't go for the 2nd best platform for that application.
But again its another local/niche effort that can win a few since some that just need ms office for a few tasks may not need windows.
Free Spirit
The company is 4 guys who cobbled together a distro out of existing parts.
They can't even keep their webserver up. What would make anyone think that this support for this new splinter distro will be sustained for any period of time?
I have been pwned because my
Emacs, my friend.
they are targeting people using Windows already :)
I like the microsoft ads at the top of the slashdot page.
What is the world coming to?
Next thing you know Virus Scanners will allow certain virii made buy paying customers... oh wait that already happens.
muahaha, we slashdotted their main home page, now noone will be able to use their linux distribution :)
Isn't emacs just a file editor - like Notepad? :P
If you want a Linux for the average user, it's going to have to be that way. Now we all know that su-ing to root is easy for when you need it, but it is something that will piss off and confound most users. You wouldn't think so, but it never ceases to amaze me the how the simplest things (froma geek perspective) can confound normal users.
This goes double for an underdog OS trying to win converts. It has to offer a user experience at least as good, and probably better. Carrying on about OSS, configurability and monopolies means jack to most users. They want it to be as easy as what they have now.
So to do that a Linux distro needs to either be root all the time, or break away from the traditonal UNIX security model and offer something like Windows NT's Administrator accounts that, while not all powerful, are capable of doing just about anything.
This is just the reality of the average individual. I mean, why do you think the government mandidated passive safety restraints in cars? Because LOTS of people don't wear seatbelts. It's not like it's hard to do, takes you 2 seconds to put on. However, I know lots of people that don't unless reminded and even them often don't.
Extra steps that are different from what they have now (like having to su) are the things that will turn them away. IT'll only take a few things before they whine and say "I hate this, give me Windows back".
In the meanwhile, I wonder how "Free" this distro is. Is it merely a hack-together-proof-of-concept or hack-together-lets-do-some-cool-stuff or is it more of a serious-linux-distro-that-we-can-distribute-under- the-terms-of-the-GPL-or-LGPL?
;)
I've been wanting to use windows for awhile, but despite shitty software the main reasons are all legal -- I don't want to give microsoft any money, or agree to anything that I havn't read and agree with(namelessly any shrinkwrap EULA). the GPL I have read many times and agree not only with it as a 'oh...kay...fine whatever.' but as honestly agreeing with it in spirit.
If it's not Free that's fine with me, I still like to see progress in the direction of windows...but...I'll be particularily interested if it is, in fact I'll likely devote a computer or two to it in the future
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...you think "pseudo" is spelled "sudo".
So, there is more besides Linux? What is this thing, called Windows?
I'm not sure this makes an appropriate stepping stone. What comes under the umbrella of 'Popular Microsoft Fare' which isn't already provided by OO.org in an almost identical fashion to the Microsoft applications?
simulating 100% compatibility with a faulty, buggy, unpredictable and unmanageable s/w is either a prank or a contradiction in terms.
My congrats to the 4 students for yet-another-distro but they surely won't able to simulate all the blue screens, dr. watson's and virii prone (with-welcome-sign) openings in less than 2.5*10^4 years. It took a lot of engineering hours in Redmond to make Windows the masterpile of crap that it is today.
I don't think further bridges are neccessary - the trend is Linux and doing well...
...because you mentioned Photoshop I am required to tell you that Gimp does everything Photoshop does for zero times the price.
Why not make it compatible with all the linux distros around? Like same /etc structure (conf files and init), package compatibility (rpm, apt, tgz, deb, etc), etc, etc. Linux doesn't need windows compatibility, linux needs uniformization, stable libraries, stable and well documented API, a good programming IDE, and less application bloat. Linux needs to draw the attencion of the windows developers, for them to start developing good NATIVE apps for it. Please stop throwing at them the EMACS editor, i might like it .. but a MS Visual Studio user will just laugh at it.
... naaa! If you guys had based your distro in LFS i would be more sympathetic with your "noble" cause!
And to be on topic again, the minute i saw "fedora based" i though to myself
I fuse with Mercer every single day...
> The thing with the other 'distros' is it takes a system administrator to set something up," Mr. Ho explained. "We're trying to simplify things so a regular user can pretty much do everything -- and we're trying to make it as user friendly as Windows."
Does that mean it would have only privileged logins? Is it a good thing?
"...and offers unrivaled compatibility with Microsoft Windows' or so says their website."
/.ed even before the article was written. Can't check that statement on their website now either... ;)
They seemed to have gotten
Who is this J. R. Sixpack you keep talking about so condescendingly? You really do need to be more specific when you talk about a class of users.
It sounds like you're talking about the 18-35 year old male that doesn't know anything about computers. Now, tell me, what software does such a person install from "shovelware CDs?" Let's be honest. Such a user checks email, browses the web, watches video clips, listens to music, and talks on instant messenger. That's it. No one installs extra little apps these days. Shareware is dead. Anybody that looks around for little programs to solve tasks knows enough about computers to not be called "J. R. Sixpack."
I'm not sure why you're so against an additional distribution, anyway. It's not like another distribution hurts "the cause" or whatever you people like to harp on about. These guys have absolutely no responsbility to further "the cause" by writing software instead of coming out with another distribution. They can do as they please.
I just don't see the point of your post. You tell us that the distribution is not necessary, improvements in Windows compatability is pointless because non-Linux users are stupid, and you assume that somehow these guys are diverting resources away from the IMPORTANT aspects of "the cause."
I'll probably get modded flamebait for this post, but I think the parent is just trolling.
From the website: "Ignalum plans to bundle its flagship operating system with commercial Linux products from the likes of CodeWeavers and TransGaming for retail distribution"
This is how they are going to achieve their Windows compatibility. Golly, whay hasn't anyone else thought of that.. oh, wait..
What about running Linux natively as a service on your Window box:
http://www.colinux.org/
But I wouldn't trust any claims made by "Four college students" about how it has some sort of Windows compatibility. All of the college students I've known have had A LOT of trouble opening windows.
Then again, they WERE drunk...
You should read this exchange between Daniel Ho of Ignalum and Henrick Omma of the OpenCD. Funny stuff, and it gives some insight into how these Ignalum guys approach the OSS community.
There was an article in the National Post yesterday about these guys. Nothing appeared to be even mildly remarkable. They mentioned Transgaming and CodeWeavers as things they were "intending" to include with their Fedora Core based distribution. Basically, they looked like they were very much in beginning stages of their execution of the concept. Surprisingly, their marketing materials looked reasonably professional, so I would guess their skills lay more in promotion and presentation than technical execution. I saw their site prior to the /.'tting, and it had many content holes. If I had to guess, they are good promoters that have managed to convince their professors they are on to a good thing, but obviously, their professors haven't been plugged in to the Linux community at all. Nothing really of note here, and I wouldn't want anyone to think there is anything new here.
...oh, nevermind.
Xandros, SuSE and others already come with crossover office pre-installed, which lets you run popular windows applications such as Office, Dreamwaver, Photoshop, Quicken and more. So if you wanted to run linux but coundn't because of a certain application NOW YOU CAN.
The reason to run Windows apps is because of companies refusing to port Windows applications to Linux even though their is strong demand for them
WineX also lets you play windows games, but why would you when their is TONS OF GAMES AVALIBLE FOR LINUX.
KDE 3.2 and GNOME 2.6 have recently released, both joe user approved, so stop with the obsolete Linux is hard noncense!
Nothing new here.
Voted the BEST IDE on Linux!
I know a load of visual studio users who have migrated to it.
Instead of making it Windows compatible, they are now developing joe-user freindly applications such as Lsongs (music player) Lphoto (digital camera software) and Nvu (Wysiwyg webpage maker). I prefer this approch, and Nvu is getting really popular now.
Ninnle has been doing this for some time now. This is nothing new.
If you think EMACS is still the most used program on linux then you should actually try it one day.
I look here on my new Gnome 2.6 desktop, with Firefox for browsing, Thunderbird for E-mail, OpenSource 1.1.1 (the new fast version that only takes two seconds to start), Over 100 games (yes, even commercial games), Eclipse and Kdevelop for development and hundreds of other native apps.
Visit KDE-apps and Fitfh toe and see the massive collection of apps!
that site went down quickly, good thing someone saved it
ignalum
I think that if people really want companies to start switching over to Linux, they need to start changing their stratagy. Companies use programs, not the OS. In other words, I don't believe that the OS is really what's important to most companies. It's the fact that the software that they need to run works under that particular OS that is the deciding factor. (and there's usually not even a decision to be made! It's already made for them by where the software is targeted) If companies are going to switch, then the software that they need will need to be written to work on both environments.
:-p
Here's how I look at it. At this point, most companies (or at least their IT departments) have heard enough about Linux to at least be curious. But they can't even begin to try it out because all the programs that they work with will only run under Windows. How can you try out something that will be mostly useless to them? So, if those major programs that the company used were written to run on Linux AND Windows, then those IT departments would at least be able to try it out, and see how it goes for them.
So with this, the software is where the focus needs to be. There needs to be office software that can not only compete, but surpass anything that MS offers. (yes, I know that OpenOffice is out there, and yes it's good, but it's not good enough for most companies to make the switch. And no, I can't put my money where my mouth is and start helping with development because I'm just an average Joe user. I'm not a programmer, or even a corporate user. I honestly don't know what it is that companies need. But there are people out there who do, and who can help) Graphics software is also sorely needed. Yes, the Gimp is good, but it does lack the polish, and some of the features (so I've heard) of Photoshop. And where the heck are the vector graphics programs? Nothing, at this point, can compete with CorelDraw or Illustrator.
These are only two "major" fields where excellent software is needed. Not just clones or ports of what's currently used under Windows, but truely exceptional software needs to be developed to bring people over.
Yes, I also know the argument that if the companies have the software under Windows, and the same is available under Linux, why would they bother to switch? As I said, I think that companies are curious, and they want to try it out now, but they can't. As far as adoption, I think it winds up being more of a grassroots sort of thing. Smaller companies will start to change first, because they are more able. As it starts catching on better, bigger companies will take the plunge.
Granted that a OS needs to be day-to-day usable, and perhaps for companies, Linux isn't quite there yet, but the more the BIG software gets developed for Linux, the more talent that flows in from the former MS camp and starts putting effort into making Linux a true competitor against MS.
Then the only thing we have to watch out for is Linux turning into another MS.
*slight crashing sound*
It looks like this is really shaping up to be the year of Windows!
This ought to be rich. Do tell....
From excellent karma to terible karma with a single +5 funny post...
I use linux all the time .. i'm writing this in a mozilla 1.6 installed in my redhat 9.0 upgraded to fedora through "apt-get update-dist". I use Anjuta as my C++ programming IDE, as it does not bloat the makefiles as Kdeveloper does. I'm also a gnome user as i don't like the QT bloated MOC dependent API, including it's (commercial) license. I trully adore linux as a programming enviroment. Now try and put yourself inside of a MS developer's shoes, and user, and let's stop being mindless and blind linux fanboys, so we can start adressing the real issues of linux facing it's "competitors". That's the only whay it will grow and evolve
.. there's the problem, too many of them doing the same thing but not enought to get the job done.
And about those massive collection of apps
I fuse with Mercer every single day...
What is with Linux/OSS companies and their unpronounceable, unmarketable names?
Ignalum/Mulangi -- If your name makes as little sense forwards as it does backwards, its a bad name!
Its using anaconda to install, and bluecurve for the desktop. i guess its using wine for the win stuff.
Ignalum = RH9 once you check it all out, they have just taken out the RH icons.
What we NEED is a stable yet up to date distro that can use RPM and DEB packages.
We have seen that living things are too improbable and too beautifully "designed" to have come into existence by chance.
I've seen it quite a bit. Companies move from Solaris to Linux in order to save money, and once they have x86 PC's in place they start to install Windows. Pretty soon you find half the department is running Windows. I suspect that Linux has accelerated the move from UNIX to Windows a whole lot.
I'm not sure that Microsoft approves of this; Linux has also stolen users from Windows, particularly server installations. These are more profitable for Microsoft than desktops. It is also likely that most of these users would have found Windows eventually, even without Linux. The problem for traditional UNIX systems is they are just too costly compared to the few benefits they offer over a PC running either Windows or Linux.
Ignalum Gnu/Linux is much better.
Thank you Dan Ho! *grumble* self-important jack-ass *grumble*
instead of trying to make linux look less scary and panful by offering users the same environment and programs as windows, it seems like linux would be better served by offering a better experience by handling the every task that people could need.
i would rather have the closed source apps (photoshop) that i use every day run on a stable linux than have to learn inferior open source apps (gimp) on windows. when autocad, adobe apps, and 3dstudio can run on pure linux (not wine), i, and a lot of studios i know, would make the switch. having some extra middleman/emulator is just an extra step and a waste of time/cost.
more apps, less distros.
First of all, this "feature" already exists, it is running on my XP machine right now and it is called Cygwin. Honestly, a good command line is all I really need, since all the other OSS tools I use are available for Windows (Firefox, Thunderbird, Putty, OpenOffice, Latex etc). So I really do not need more linux/Windows integration, I could do with a Linux machine on my desk, but corporate rules will not allow me one... but I digres.
What I really want to point at is innovative power in Linux. There does not seem to be any. Sure, Linux has made great progress since the days of 1.0 (i've been running it that long) but still, Linux is a Unix replacement that is not good enough for the big iron (which I administer daily) and for the desktop there are cleaner Unix systems (the BSD's) and nicer working ones (Mac OS X).
A couple days ago I saw an announcement from HP, where they showed off their "PC of the Future", a device that integrated everything. Phone, email, web, video, music, you name it, it had it. And what was driving this thing? The horribly bloated, slow Windows XP, which, for all the development that has gone into Windows, still functions in the same way as Windows 2.0 did. Where's the innovative new operating system interaction? Why do I still have to live with start buttons and desktops?
This is in my opinion where Linux could shine. Create a new, fast GUI. Think of a whole new paradigm for using the computer. Why do we need a desktop, a start button, folders or directories, hard disks... I don't need to know about all that, I just want to use my computer.
Microsoft is busy recreating Windows in the form of Longhorn. Undoubtedly Longhorn will be a (large) step beyond Windows XP. But the age-old paradigm of the desktop will still be there. The much-maligned start button will still be there. And all the other things that make Windows Windows will still be there. An missed opertunity, in my opinion. Just as much as Linux misses the opertunity to be truly innovative. Gates is right in that respect, the open source community is quite good at immitation, but not so good at innovation. Innovation is what is needed, not creating a cross-over between Unix and Windows.
Looks like they have 14 employees
Norman Cook's Ode to Sl
" ... Based on his belief in Linux, Daniel founded Ignalum Software, Inc. in 2002 and created the Ignalum Linux OS, when it became clear that without some of his input making its way into mainstream Linux, Linux will likely continue to suffer as a high maintainence Operating System."
:)
Hahaha! Cheers mate! There was me slaving over a hot server, and your mainstream Linux input has made things so much more low-maintainence!
Good luck with the slashdotting
"Proudly Posting Without Reading The Article"
Who are the majority in any company? Skilled, in-the-know, linux-savy IT people or office drones? If you guessed the latter you'd be absolutely right! The office drones don't give a flying fuck about FOSS philosophy... they know Bill Gates is a smart guy and so they should use his software. And so they will want to use MS Office. They probably wouldn't realize that their desktop is different but they'll scream if you change their office suite menus around.
Either Open Office has to get real sweet or Linux needs to run MS Office. And say what you will about version X, Office 2003 is pretty nice.
How about Ignorant Linux?
The slashdotted Distro
For uninformed people
Go to www.ignalum.com but not through the /. link.
he's right
use your turn signal! you people act like it's divulging information to the enemy
Readers should be more familiar with Linux advances. Ninnle is way beyond the competition.
Another interesting point about win4lin: it uses the underlying linux filesystem. In linux, you can copy a file into or out of the windows directory. This means you can simply tar gzip up your whole windows installation and save different versions of it. I have a basic installation saved on a CD rom, and a few more versions on the hard drive in .tgz files. If I get a virus in Windows, I can go to linux, copy out my documents and spreadsheets, rm -fR the whole infected windows file tree, and untar a clean version. Elapsed time: 5-10 minutes. Then I'd better get the clean version patched before I get re-infected, and save it as my new checkpointed version.
--- Often in error; never in doubt!
According to some scientists you can also now create a chimp-human hybrid. But either of these ideas is unnatural and amoral.
I see a lot of posts bitching about wasted resources. How it's been done and failed, and why don't these guys put their skills to use on a real project. Get some perspective people. Linux is cool precisely because there is tremendous duplication of effort. It is this duplication that leads to improvements for everyone. If everybody and their brother can release a distro, as that is indeed possible, the chances for innovation improve dramatically. If there are only a few projects, each with vast armies of volunteer developers, then the admins of each product become a bottleneck for distribution of good ideas. It's not that those folks want to stifle innovation, but that there is simply no way for a small group of folks to handle thousands of good ideas at one time.
That's a big why diversity in software is such a good idea; there are many more chances for innovation. For an example of what happens when there is lack of diversity, look at Internet Explorer and the innovation we (don't) see there.
So quit moaning about yet another distro. Go out and see what they really have to offer, there just might be something there, and even if there's not, it hasn't hurt anything.
Personally, I'd like something like that because I'd be able to run Visual Source Safe under an NTFS file system instead of via Wine on a FAT32 partition. VSS in Wine really sucks, and keeping source code on FAT32 does too.
No matter how many of my rights are taken away, somehow I still don't feel safe. -Frigid Monkey
If Winblows games run smooth on Linux, why do a Linux version? This is the same problem OS/2 had: If win3.1 apps run fine, why spend money doing an OS/2 version?
What I really want to see is a DirectX true rival (SDL is close, but lacks some things IMHO) to make Linux games programming VERY easy.
PostNuke is notorious for its poor scalability. Unless you take some pains to make your configuration lean, a typical page can entail 10-15 unique SQL queries. It's not at all uncommon for a PostNuke site to get hammered with only a hundred or so simultaneous users.
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[... standing by for the flames from PN folks
Outlook:
In Linux, you can use the program "readpst" provided by libpst, libpst.sourceforge.net
In Windows, Mozilla Mail will import it (through the OLE interface), and Mozilla Mail's mailboxes are in standard MBOX format. Everyone in UNIX, and many many Windows programs, can import MBOX.
|/usr/games/fortune
Libpst's website is actually http://sourceforge.net/projects/ol2mbox . My mistake.
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Given all the technology we have on the shelf these days,
:)
if one were to go and design a computer to handle the daily
tasks we use computers for, it would look NOTHING
like what we call a computer today.
Yes, indeed it is time to toss the clunky desktop.
Any ideas? I have a bunch but they all involve
interface designs that don't work with 'monitors'
and keyboards and crap. We have the computing power
to do AMAZING stuff. Please, someone with the resources and time, DO THIS!
I found the complete opposite with my dad. He was running windows, but I moved him to Linux (Win2k -> Redhat 8 -> 9 -> FC1), set it to auto-login to his desktop on boot. As far as inputting his root password every now and then, he dosn't mind, because he understands that it helps keep his system secure. If taking less than 2 seconds once a week (updates) makes his system run as smooth as silk near 100% of the time, he is all for it. I think the 'run as root full time' only applies if you have the windows mentallity 'install as much kludge in a week as I can'. Since this kludge is windows-only kudge, and dosn't run on linux there is no need to be root 24/7.
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From the article: "We're trying to simplify things so a regular user can pretty much do everything -- and we're trying to make it as user friendly as Windows."
Since parent mentioned 'su'ing, what will be the security implications of having a regular user being able to 'do everything'? Will the user be prompted for the root password like how RedHat has it set up now? I believe Dropline Gnome (for Slackware) has this feature as well.
If not, then a large part of Linux's security will be negated.
Ignalum? Ignalum? You must be joking.
What's with all the stupid, stupid names for open source projects? "Ignalum" is an awful name for anything, and the only thing that could possibly be worse would be "Ogg Vorbis" or "Ogg Theora", but fortunately (or horrifyingly), those names are already taken.
I don't get how anyone can expect to be taken seriously when they're trying to promote "mainstream" software with these silly, bad sci-fi bad guy names. What next? Ooga-Booga-zilla? SlartiBartFoonix?
Apparently, the only things that open source developers do worse than UI design is project naming. The UI problem is well known and widely complained about, but it seems like this naming thing is a more recent phenomenon. But it's already bad & getting worse -- a couple more high profile silly names like this and people will be laughing too hard at open source software projects to notice the interfaces to begin with...
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Does it have unrivalled compatability with all the worms and trojans too?
So, there I was, running Red Hat 7.3 on my desktop (yeah, I know, but it was quick and easy to install). I had a friend over who had never seen Linux before.
I opened KMail. "Oh, and the best part is, it's not running Windows, so you can't get any Windows e-mail viruses!" I boldly double-clicked on an attachment with a .scr extension.
WINE started up.
I had just infected my Linux workstation with a Windows e-mail virus.
Damn thing, actually associating all DOS/Windows binaries with WINE. Kind of undoes at least half of the security benefits of running Linux in the first place. [grumble]
Fire and Meat. Yummy.
It could be the best product in the world, but with a name like that ....
...that the missing letters are PE - isn't that the part of school geeks hate the most?
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Hm.. ignalum is an anagram of Mauling. Coincidence?
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Number of linux distributions surpasses number of users.
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and offers unrivaled compatibility with Microsoft Windows' or so says their website.
If their website (which is down at the moment) is as stable as their products, then it should be an accurate Windows clone, right?
No thank you sir, one unstable OS is more than enough.
"...a generation of kids has grown up thinking Trance is the shittiest music since country and western." - Paul van Dyk
I decided to give my dad my old linux laptop and have him use that as his main machine... All he ever does is email, word processing, web, spreadsheets, print prochures, scan, copy, .... simple office type stuff. Here's a list of his main bitches (as a windoze whore)...
first major thing: Printer
for some odd reason, a perfectly normal postscript xerox printer never wanted to print anything more than about 2MB. I could not find anyone with that same problem, though every machine I tried to print something big from under linux would choke. Eventually, in desperation, after installing EVERY printer filter and driver i could find, it magically started working.
second thing: Scanner
I installed sane, ran scanimage>blah.pnm and it worked great... but then i ran in xscanimage, and if i ever canceled the print, it just died. besides that, the scans came out kind of dark. It took me about 30 minutes messing with it to figure out it was the exposure time (contrast and brightness had absolutely no effect)
third: thegimp, open office, kde apps, gnome apps
they all use different dialogs (and terminology) for the same functions (or are missing expected ones)
for example, the gimp doesnt have a print option at all (while an integral part of photoshop and every other image editor), while openoffice, kde apps, and gnome apps use all different print and settings dialog styles.
I *REALLY* dont want to put him on windows... he's on the road a lot and gets on the internet using his sprint phone (not supported by windows at all because sprint doesnt want you to do that) I also dont want to have to worry about him getting spyware and viruses and all that crap.
If linux will ever become a system to replace windows, forget about making linux like windows.... make the consumer-end of the driver installs work -- maybe have a checkbox on the driver installers (sane, cups, etc) to report back to the developers on how certain printers, scanners, whatever need to be set up and have those as defaults... list EVERY known printer with whatever default settings are needed.. even if two different models use the exact same settings and driver...
also, the developers need to work on integrating interface styles... wouldnt this be easy enough with the powerful skinning and theming systems in all these window managers?? Why the frigg cant the qt people, gtk people, E people and so forth and so on get together and come up with a standard theming system? and have that theme to go as far as completely theming even how the guts of dialog boxes (printer options, etc) look?
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And 5 is right out.
Heh, what about putting Windows in CVS or something?
3)Kernel version?
the kernel version, and other specs are listed on their website, right here. its version 2.4.20
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I couldn't get to ninnle's web-site. I couldn't find anything about ninnle on distrowatch.org, or osnews.com. Couldn't find it on ibiblio.org either.
So to do that a Linux distro needs to either be root all the time, or break away from the traditonal UNIX security model and offer something like Windows NT's Administrator accounts that, while not all powerful, are capable of doing just about anything. It seems that many Linux users don't understand the concept of "wheel" as it was in the past. That being a group conceived so that you can have powerful users without them logging in as root. They can add/remove software for example if you want, up/down network cards, etc.
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Ok, if life was fair, Linux would have taken off on the desktop a long time ago. The reason would be money. If people could save hundreds of dollars by not buying Windows, and buying Linux instead, Windows would be dead.
The thing is, most home users pay a negligible amount for their windows operating system because it comes bundled at an extremely low price on the computer they buy. If they want to upgrade, and don't want to pay for a licensed copy, they just "borrow" a copy from work, or a friend. Even MS products with supposed copy protection are pathetic, and there are enough cracks out there for anyone to get any MS software for free.
I think that MS deliberately makes their software easy to obtain for free because otherwise, Linux would absolutely dominate the home market, and that would mean businesses could then switch to Linux and save money because everyone is already familiar with it.
The only way for Linux to take off is to give Microsoft some foolproof copy protection scheme, and get them to use it. They'd be signing their own death certificate.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
ok, but where is the windows code? (CVS = Code Versioning System)
From their site:
/usr/local, then you would type: cd /usr/local
How do I burn an iso image under Ignalum Linux?
Run Konsole
su (then enter the root password)
Change the directory to the location of the iso file. For example, if the iso file is in
cdrecord -v -eject dev=device_ID speed=speed_of_drive isoname.iso
The parameters represent the following:
-v = verbose
-eject = eject CD after burn is complete
dev=device_ID = your device ID, typically a number in the format X,X,X which
you can find out by running cdrecord -scanbus
speed=speed_of_drive = enter the write speed of your CD-RW drive (1, 2, 4, etc.)
isoname.iso is actual name of the iso you want to burn
exit, then exit to close Konsole
I'm a windows guy myself so I don't know - is it normal to require the root password in order to burn a cd in linux?
By way of VNC that is..
Just say no to license servers!!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Read this article on the hoped move to Users with least priviledge in Windows Longhorn - it's just too risky to leave people running with maximum power all the time.