I don't really see where you're going with this one. America is legally a pretty unencumbered, free country. People can believe whatever they want to believe. Whether or not it's popular is a completely different issue.
Censorship can be bad. Imposing censorship on other people without their knowledge or consent is generally bad. Self-censorship (like slashdot) is also called content-filtering, and it can be very good. I like being able to block ads and spam, turning off extra javascript, and I don't mind spending some time moderating comments because I think it makes slashdot a nicer, more comprehensible, relevant place for everyone.
Natural selection pretty much took care of babies who were too ill or sickly to survive. However, people tend to take care of them now. If they want to do that, it's their business, their money, and their lives. If they want the right to decide whether a baby who wouldn't normally live should be allowed to, I suppose that's their right, but there would need to be some guidelines to prevent abuse. Genetic screening might help too.
I wouldn't trust genetic engineering yet until it is well-proven. Why implement a technology when you know you don't understand its ramifications?
And, finally, do you like posting complicated, controversial articles of dubious relevance on slashdot? You know the kind of response you're going to get. Maybe a little bit more self-censorship might be in order.:)
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Nothing. Let the facts speak for themselves.
Windows is overvalued. We get publicity every time it crashes.
Anyone who reviews them both will end up saying *and* this one is $100-$200 cheaper! (remember, if you're paying that little, you probably don't know what an operating system is, or a monitor... They'll find that out when they know better.)
Also, if they craft the distro properly, it'll be sweeet! (anything that might be able to connect to the internet and loads Word docs, and 90% of the Windows world is happy. When it doesn't crash, everybody is happy!)
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Wow, that's even better! Okay, apparently *my* version of KDE doesn't log into slashdot.
It came with RedHat 6.0, and it was slightly upgraded, but it's still 1.1.1-pre2, and it crashes when I try to login... However, I'm writing this reply with W3M, so go figure... I'll try KDE again when I upgrade to RH 6.1, and hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.
But seriously, M10 looks really pretty. I was very impressed. The Mozilla team is doing a damn fine job. That is to say, slashdot loaded fine, it was fast, I could log in, and it didn't die on me. That's all I really want from a browser.:)
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KFM (the Konquerer web browser) is *really* fast, I like it. However, it doesn't support some nice web browser features, (like logging into slashdot:) so it won't be my default web browser anytime soon (KDE 2?). Let me know when it does, and I'll test it.:)
A lot of KDE looks inspired by Windows. If they can keep it fast and free, I don't mind if they go that route, it should make a lot of people happy. However, it would be nice if there could be an easy way to get multiple bindings, or some other kind of standardization between all of these Desktop Environments.
I'd be really happy if I could just theme everything, and have an all-encompassing widget set (or bindings for everything, and recompile). If you ever get bored... it's GNOME and athena widgets, or KDE and motif, or something. Also, then we could get the Mac bigots to shut up about the consistent-look-and-feel thing, so we can explain about network transparency.;)
I just tried compiling it on Solaris, it let me log in (which is better than KFM:) and it looks great! It's really fast, too. (since you don't need those images) And it lets me write my comments in a text editor, yeah!
Thanks a lot for the tip. We need more cool text browsers.
Rob put out a good article for us to consider. He didn't say that he *knew* what the next big thing was, just that his instincts told him there would be one. We'll see if he's right. Genetic algorithms aren't widely talked about or understood, and therefore it's a good candidate for someone to think it might be The Next Big Thing. Sort of like AI was. (I'm still waiting for Cyc to be finished...:)
And yes, sometimes terms evolve. But sometimes people want to use more relevant terms. And I thought 'Its' was pretty accurate and clever, and not a bad introduction, either.
Also, I think Rob was pretty correct about the engineers, too. My girlfriend wants to be one, and it'll probably be harder for her to find work than it will be for me (as a programmer), so I'd be willing to get a job near wherever she can. If this ever changes, I'm sure we can take care of ourselves, but it's a good thing to consider. Putting aside some money for a rainy day isn't a bad practice.
The problem with Jon Katz was he never even figured out how to talk to most of the population. Even his choice of diction was generally inappropriate for this forum. Now, if he wanted to write for Wired...:)
And although we *have* picky specialists here at slashdot, it's really for the computer enthusiast, like Byte was originally, or more generally anyone interested in "News For Nerds". It'd be nice having a specialist answering questions, or chiming in on "Ask Slashdot", but for something like this, I'd rather have a journalist speculate on a social phenomenon, or a historical trend. Also, I don't trust economists, because I know enough about statistics to not trust future predictions. Unless you find an important trend that people have apparently overlooked, you probably won't get anymore insight, either.
Never stick God in a situation when a neurotic human will suffice.:)
In any case, evolution eventually solves these problems for us. It's the case of survival of the fittest, and if there's ever a major catastrophe, we'll see who or what survives. Maybe not retarted people, probably some people, but definitely cockroaches.
How about if I just complain about going back on your word? I think that's what a ship date is. That would be hypocripsy, and supporting a company that follows those practices.
Microsoft has, without fail, announced products whether or not the time scale was reasonable or if the product existed, just to delay the competition. That is abusing the system to your own ends.
Okay, this is sure to be a huge success, just like the Final Fantasy Movie. There's an obvious trend here, towards movies slavishly following games... So when are we going to have "Angband: The Movie"?
I can see it now:
Our hero, a heroic @ symbol, has against all odds fought his way down to the 40th level of the evil dungeon, with its random maps. After killing countless evil beings such as yellow-capital-T's (Troll Priests) and the malignant capital-D's (Ancient Dragons), holding 23 items, no matter how large, he is ready to challenge the ultimate evil: Level 41!
This would make a perfect series, too. Endless possibilities, *great* special effects, and whatnot. (3D-rendered ASCII! Just like The Matrix!) I can't wait until "Angband II: Level 50 is in sight"!
Oh god, if you're going to gripe about the linux kernel, don't gripe about driver support. Many options are marked as unstable, and even some pieces of hardware don't function as advertised with different hardware.
I have a TV card that works badly in Linux. Why? Well, for one thing, I'm not using a video card that's supported. For another, there's a DGA bug in xawtv. But the linux kernel is doing a fine job.
If you want stable driver support, go use an older version of Linux, FreeBSD, a Macintosh, or any vendor-supported machine. Even buy a Linux machine from a Linux vendor. I'm sure they take care of supported hardware for you.
...and if you want better driver support, contribute! Write code, bug a vendor, sign an NDA if you have to, or even submit a patch that marks the driver as *unstable* in the kernel. Whatever. But whining doesn't lead to better driver support.
And for the record, I've never managed to crash linux due to high load. I've gotten it to be generally slow and not terribly usable, but I've never gotten it to crash like that.
You're right! It *has* been renamed 'Windows 2000'.
Pop Quiz:
1. When were 'Chicago' (later '95) and NT originally supposed to be merged?
(hint: a long long time ago)
2. What was the original ship date of NT 5?
(hint: vague, but a while back)
What *is* the ship date of Windows 2000?
(your guess is as good as mine: at least 2000+/-1)
What's *your* definition of vaporware?
(Mine is software that gets announced, and doesn't get released. From what I've said so far, it looks like NT 5 was vaporware, and the original plans for it were *even more* vapor. I would also say that MacOS 8 was vapor because it wasn't Copland, and Rhapsody was definitely vapor because some of its best features never made it in.)
Why do people benchmark and test beta releases against actual operating systems?
(Your guess is as good as mine. I guess they need something to do until Microsoft releases a product.)
How many different versions of Windows 2000 is Microsoft going to release?
(last I heard, it was five...)
Why is Microsoft software so bad?
(all of the above, and surely more considerations)
I wonder if there's some kind of biological / neurological / whatever cause.
Did you perchance notice that there's a "Hot Wheels" computer too?
I'd say the adults, the marketing people, and the parents would be operating the patriarchal / matriarchal gender formatting process here...
I liked my Commodore 64, I liked my XT, but I had to get my 386 with a black case. Why? It looked *cool*! Kids are very smart, they'll get what they like. If they think the Barbie or Hot Wheels PC is cool, they can have it. If they look at the specs and want a different computer, that's fine too. If they want to paint the case...
I wonder if HTTP/1.1 Server Too Busy is some kind of primitive greeting from Windows NT...:)
Anyhow, I ran DOSLinux at work for a while and the initial install was okay, but then I added the Slack package for X, and tried to do stuff, and realized how *slow* UMSDOS is.
Therefore, I ended up sticking/usr in a file and mounting it loopback. I actually saved some space, since ext2 stores files so much better than FAT16 does.:)
Oh, and whenever I install Linux as an option on someone's Windows machine, I never install lilo, and always install loadlin as a Windows icon called 'Linux' that asks if you want to go to MS-DOS mode.;) I mean, you don't want to confuse people or anything...
I saw that on TV one time, on MTV's Road Rules. It actually looked like a lot of fun getting a bunch of them together, like a really evil game of hampster bumper-cars.
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Check RAM requirements of Windows with nothing loaded on it.
Install Netscape, run it, set it's default web page to something standard (or blank), shutdown, reboot, run netscape, and check it's RAM requirements. (Everything, + Netscape, if possible)
Install IE, run it, do the same, shutdown, reboot, run IE, and check it's RAM requirements. (same)
Tell me what you find out. Then if you ever get a chance, look at the minimum and recommended hardware for the two browsers, and try that out too.:)
(yes, *light* is a relative term, however, unless you have a nice box to run Windows on, IE really sucks. Netscape, on the other hand, started out on slow machines, and worked okay. It's enough to make me want to use Netscape 1.2 again.:)
Also, IE *really* sucks on any non-Windows system. Actually IE3 under Linux (using Wine) is *much* better than IE4 or IE5 attempting to run natively on Solaris.
Which version of NS on Linux? Some of them *do* suck. That's why I'm running 4.61, it's generally better. (haven't tried 4.7 yet) I might compare IE intensively myself on this machine, but I'm not about to install Windows to do it. Wake me up when MS releases IE6 for Linux.:)
(however, I'm tempted to install IE5 under Wine, that should be an interesting test....)
1. I don't know, but I'm the one providing *any* facts here. Besides, if it works under SP3, why would they have to break it for SP5? Like I said, it's a machine from Gateway that was *designed* to run 98/NT. Hmm.
2. *I* was commenting on IE5 and ActiveDesktop separately, but if you want a correlation, they're both from Microsoft, they both *eat* RAM, and I'm sure they share DLL's, especially in Win '98. (remember that web-browser-integration-thing?) Also, ActiveDesktop *is* an option. It should be turned off, since it can't be easily un-installed. That was all *I* was trying to say about it.
3. If they're using IE5, then they probably aren't using Linux too, so if they want something to feel guilty about...:) I agree, it's probably better to browse with IE5, but only because IE5 parses *content generated by Microsoft products* better, and gets a faster connection from IIS, and Microsoft-enhanced pages (like microsoft.com). Surprised? I hope not... Incidentally, I also don't use IE5 because its support for UNIX *sucks*! It only works on one special Solaris configuration with kernel patches, and probably about as well under HP/UX. Also, since they had to rip out all the DLL's separately, you get to see how much RAM IE5 uses by itself. Ugh.
4. I don't know, but they do it all the time. Why advertise a free product? Why bundle an inferior product with your OS?
5. Those facts were consistent and in the spirit of your original post.:) If you are indeed the same lame Anonymous Coward to which I was speaking earlier. I *never* said anything about IE5 shipping with ActiveDesktop. Put those words back in your mouth because I don't know where it's been. Anyhow, I've tested RAM requirements for IE, and run ActiveDesktop, and it's *slow* if it isn't on a fast machine. In fact, it's optimized for a faster machine. And if you haven't checked the ATI cards lately, getting that far is good, since they're all like: ATI Rage Pro Turbo AGP Ultra Frickin' Long Named Graphics Card. Maybe if they had a short, simple name for it, I'd remember. If I remembered the Gateway model #, I'd let you look it up. And I'm sure that anyone who followed the chain of original posts can tell who's posting their experiences and who's being inflammatory. I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader.:)
1. It was a video card for a stock Gateway that was supposed to work under 98/NT. Some flavor of ATI Rage something or other.
2. They bundle it all together. Upgrading to ActiveDesktop came with IE, and integrating IE into the explorer means its DLLs load even if you don't use it.
3. Hello, anyone who doesn't have a P]|[/666 and 8192MB of RAM definitely *doesn't* want IE5. Only the most wacked-out windoze-snivelers actually think that Microsoft puts out a better browser.
4. How much is Microsoft paying you, anyway?
5. If you want to have a real conversation, get an account, try posting facts, and stand up for yourself. Geez.
Anyhow, I've tried DOS, Win 3.1, Linux, and Windows NT on the same machine. Guess what? NT was slow, NT SP3 was slower, and adding the ActiveDesktop + IE 4.0 integration crap made it grind to a halt. Couple this with NT leaking memory, and using too much as is, and I'd rather be using DOS. Fortunately, I have Linux.
Today, a press release for Transmeta, Inc. was cleverly disguised as a patent. Transmeta, Inc. was truly proud that the US Patent & Trademark Office (USPTO) allowed them to release a press release endorsing their vaporware, and was soon picked up by a local website (www.dotslash.org).
"It amazes us that the geeks were able to interpret 'Apparatus for use in a processing system' as 'Wow, they've got something faster than Intel!'. That was our intent, of course, but we hate to see our bretheren fail a Turing test..."
Most of the loading time for me was taken up by their ads. It was still under 10 seconds, though, on my lowly K6/300 with 64MB RAM also over ethernet. However, with junkbuster, it was more like 5 seconds. Check out www.junkbusters.com.
Also, Netscape 4.61 under Linux has worked fine for me, and sometimes stability and dependability is too much to ask under NT4 SP5. I've run into standard hardware that wouldn't run under that, and had to be used under NT4 SP3. (also, ActiveDesktop is slow and memory-intensive, and IE5 is anything *but* light)
Also, braindead AOLers want Internet Explorer--that's their default browser.:)
1) Install a recent version. (maybe they fixed something)
2) Have some idea of what these terms mean: "fdisk", "Partition", "Video Card". (you'll need to know them for Linux and Windows)
3) Don't be afraid of text boot-up messages. The BIOS does this too.
4) If you can't figure it out, ask for help, or contact the vendor.
5) If you can't do any of the above, *don't* publish a story!
Seriously, is this journalism? How can the ignorant attempt to report factual information? Is today April 1st?
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Caldera - Please install 2.3, not 1.3. I have copies of RedHat 4.0, 5.0, and 6.0. Guess which one I'd rather install?:)
Video Card: not onboard, or not hard to find -- his friend showed it to him.
3Com card: I hope that was a modem! I've got a card that says "3com" on it, and something that looks like a phone cable, and believe me, it doesn't call anyone!:)
Quotes
"I don't know what a " + [kernel, domain name, video card] + [is/looks like] + "."
"And you're installing Linux?"
I think you can replace that last one with "And you're installing an Operating System?" without loss of generality. Actually, there must be a lot of hype lately for this guy to know what an operating system is, considering the lack of knowledge he evinces previously. If you can't install or figure out DOS and Windows 3.1, you'll suck at installing an old version of Linux...
Well, I guess that's it for the DarkOver series. But, now I can read them all without worrying about chronological order.
However, remember Isaac Asimov? I *hope* they finally finished releasing Foundation books. I love the books, but he's been dead for years now! I mean, after a while, it has to stop.
...and I guess I got my g/f the last Sword and Sorceress Anthology...
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I don't really see where you're going with this one. America is legally a pretty unencumbered, free country. People can believe whatever they want to believe. Whether or not it's popular is a completely different issue.
:)
Censorship can be bad. Imposing censorship on other people without their knowledge or consent is generally bad. Self-censorship (like slashdot) is also called content-filtering, and it can be very good. I like being able to block ads and spam, turning off extra javascript, and I don't mind spending some time moderating comments because I think it makes slashdot a nicer, more comprehensible, relevant place for everyone.
Natural selection pretty much took care of babies who were too ill or sickly to survive. However, people tend to take care of them now. If they want to do that, it's their business, their money, and their lives. If they want the right to decide whether a baby who wouldn't normally live should be allowed to, I suppose that's their right, but there would need to be some guidelines to prevent abuse. Genetic screening might help too.
I wouldn't trust genetic engineering yet until it is well-proven. Why implement a technology when you know you don't understand its ramifications?
And, finally, do you like posting complicated, controversial articles of dubious relevance on slashdot? You know the kind of response you're going to get. Maybe a little bit more self-censorship might be in order.
Nothing. Let the facts speak for themselves.
Windows is overvalued. We get publicity every time it crashes.
Anyone who reviews them both will end up saying *and* this one is $100-$200 cheaper! (remember, if you're paying that little, you probably don't know what an operating system is, or a monitor... They'll find that out when they know better.)
Also, if they craft the distro properly, it'll be sweeet! (anything that might be able to connect to the internet and loads Word docs, and 90% of the Windows world is happy. When it doesn't crash, everybody is happy!)
Wow, that's even better! Okay, apparently *my* version of KDE doesn't log into slashdot.
It came with RedHat 6.0, and it was slightly upgraded, but it's still 1.1.1-pre2, and it
crashes when I try to login... However, I'm writing this reply with W3M, so go figure...
I'll try KDE again when I upgrade to RH 6.1, and hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks, I'll download that again, and... um...
:)
But seriously, M10 looks really pretty. I was very impressed. The Mozilla team is doing a damn fine job. That is to say, slashdot loaded fine, it was fast, I could log in, and it didn't die on me. That's all I really want from a browser.
A lot of KDE looks inspired by Windows. If they can keep it fast and free, I don't mind if they go that route, it should make a lot of people happy. However, it would be nice if there could be an easy way to get multiple bindings, or some other kind of standardization between all of these Desktop Environments.
I'd be really happy if I could just theme everything, and have an all-encompassing widget set (or bindings for everything, and recompile). If you ever get bored... it's GNOME and athena widgets, or KDE and motif, or something. Also, then we could get the Mac bigots to shut up about the consistent-look-and-feel thing, so we can explain about network transparency. ;)
Dude, W3M kicks ass!
:) and it looks great! It's
I just tried compiling it on Solaris, it let me log in
(which is better than KFM
really fast, too. (since you don't need those images)
And it lets me write my comments in a text editor, yeah!
Thanks a lot for the tip. We need more cool text browsers.
Rob put out a good article for us to consider. He didn't say that he *knew* what the next big thing was, just that his instincts told him there would be one. We'll see if he's right. Genetic algorithms aren't widely talked about or understood, and therefore it's a good candidate for someone to think it might be The Next Big Thing. Sort of like AI was. (I'm still waiting for Cyc to be finished... :)
:)
And yes, sometimes terms evolve. But sometimes people want to use more relevant terms. And I thought 'Its' was pretty accurate and clever, and not a bad introduction, either.
Also, I think Rob was pretty correct about the engineers, too. My girlfriend wants to be one, and it'll probably be harder for her to find work than it will be for me (as a programmer), so I'd be willing to get a job near wherever she can. If this ever changes, I'm sure we can take care of ourselves, but it's a good thing to consider. Putting aside some money for a rainy day isn't a bad practice.
The problem with Jon Katz was he never even figured out how to talk to most of the population. Even his choice of diction was generally inappropriate for this forum. Now, if he wanted to write for Wired...
And although we *have* picky specialists here at slashdot, it's really for the computer enthusiast, like Byte was originally, or more generally anyone interested in "News For Nerds". It'd be nice having a specialist answering questions, or chiming in on "Ask Slashdot", but for something like this, I'd rather have a journalist speculate on a social phenomenon, or a historical trend. Also, I don't trust economists, because I know enough about statistics to not trust future predictions. Unless you find an important trend that people have apparently overlooked, you probably won't get anymore insight, either.
Here's an old screenshot.
Ha ha ha ha ha... *lol*
:)
That's the funniest thing I've seen in a while.
I bet it took them this long to find the bug (4 years?) because they never got a Windows machine that was that stable before.
This sounds a lot like the jiffies rolling around under linux. However, we knew about that problem, and never let it get that bad in the first place.
Heh. Maybe he had a conscience, or a fear of God.
:)
Never stick God in a situation when a neurotic human will suffice.
In any case, evolution eventually solves these problems for us. It's the case of survival of the fittest, and if there's ever a major catastrophe, we'll see who or what survives. Maybe not retarted people, probably some people, but definitely cockroaches.
Windows is not a trademark of Microsoft, that would suck. Ads for windows and home refurbishing say nothing about Microsoft trademarks.
:)
"Microsoft Windows" is a more likely candidate for a trademark. Please be consistent in your nitpickings.
Oh, and is that the MIT X Windowing System you speak of?
Did I complain about not getting it out the door?
How about if I just complain about going back on your word? I think that's what a ship date is. That would be hypocripsy, and supporting a company that follows those practices.
Microsoft has, without fail, announced products whether or not the time scale was reasonable or if the product existed, just to delay the competition. That is abusing the system to your own ends.
Okay, this is sure to be a huge success, just like the Final Fantasy Movie. There's an obvious trend here, towards movies slavishly following games... So when are we going to have "Angband: The Movie"?
I can see it now:
Our hero, a heroic @ symbol, has against all odds fought his way down to the 40th level of the evil dungeon, with its random maps. After killing countless evil beings such as yellow-capital-T's (Troll Priests) and the malignant capital-D's (Ancient Dragons), holding 23 items, no matter how large, he is ready to challenge the ultimate evil: Level 41!
This would make a perfect series, too. Endless possibilities, *great* special effects, and whatnot. (3D-rendered ASCII! Just like The Matrix!) I can't wait until "Angband II: Level 50 is in sight"!
Oh god, if you're going to gripe about the linux kernel, don't gripe about driver support. Many options are marked as unstable, and even some pieces of hardware don't function as advertised with different hardware.
I have a TV card that works badly in Linux. Why? Well, for one thing, I'm not using a video card that's supported. For another, there's a DGA bug in xawtv. But the linux kernel is doing a fine job.
If you want stable driver support, go use an older version of Linux, FreeBSD, a Macintosh, or any vendor-supported machine. Even buy a Linux machine from a Linux vendor. I'm sure they take care of supported hardware for you.
...and if you want better driver support, contribute! Write code, bug a vendor, sign an NDA if you have to, or even submit a patch that marks the driver as *unstable* in the kernel. Whatever. But whining doesn't lead to better driver support.
And for the record, I've never managed to crash linux due to high load. I've gotten it to be generally slow and not terribly usable, but I've never gotten it to crash like that.
You're right! It *has* been renamed 'Windows 2000'.
Pop Quiz:
1. When were 'Chicago' (later '95) and NT originally supposed to be merged?
(hint: a long long time ago)
2. What was the original ship date of NT 5?
(hint: vague, but a while back)
What *is* the ship date of Windows 2000?
(your guess is as good as mine: at least 2000+/-1)
What's *your* definition of vaporware?
(Mine is software that gets announced, and doesn't get released. From what I've said so far, it looks like NT 5 was vaporware, and the original plans for it were *even more* vapor. I would also say that MacOS 8 was vapor because it wasn't Copland, and Rhapsody was definitely vapor because some of its best features never made it in.)
Why do people benchmark and test beta releases against actual operating systems?
(Your guess is as good as mine. I guess they need something to do until Microsoft releases a product.)
How many different versions of Windows 2000 is Microsoft going to release?
(last I heard, it was five...)
Why is Microsoft software so bad?
(all of the above, and surely more considerations)
I've been wondering exactly that.
I wonder if there's some kind of biological / neurological / whatever cause.
Did you perchance notice that there's a "Hot Wheels" computer too?
I'd say the adults, the marketing people, and the parents would be operating the patriarchal / matriarchal gender formatting process here...
I liked my Commodore 64, I liked my XT, but I had to get my 386 with a black case. Why? It looked *cool*! Kids are very smart, they'll get what they like. If they think the Barbie or Hot Wheels PC is cool, they can have it. If they look at the specs and want a different computer, that's fine too. If they want to paint the case...
I wonder if HTTP/1.1 Server Too Busy is some kind of primitive greeting from Windows NT... :)
/usr in a file and mounting it loopback. I actually saved some space, since ext2 stores files so much better than FAT16 does. :)
;) I mean, you don't want to confuse people or anything...
Anyhow, I ran DOSLinux at work for a while and the initial install was okay, but then I added the Slack package for X, and tried to do stuff, and realized how *slow* UMSDOS is.
Therefore, I ended up sticking
Oh, and whenever I install Linux as an option on someone's Windows machine, I never install lilo, and always install loadlin as a Windows icon called 'Linux' that asks if you want to go to MS-DOS mode.
I saw that on TV one time, on MTV's Road Rules. It actually looked like a lot of fun getting a bunch of them together, like a really evil game of hampster bumper-cars.
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"Why do you keep reloading Slashdot?" - User Friendly
Do this for me:
:)
:)
:)
Check RAM requirements of Windows with nothing loaded on it.
Install Netscape, run it, set it's default web page to something standard (or blank), shutdown, reboot, run netscape, and check it's RAM requirements. (Everything, + Netscape, if possible)
Install IE, run it, do the same, shutdown, reboot, run IE, and check it's RAM requirements. (same)
Tell me what you find out. Then if you ever get a chance, look at the minimum and recommended hardware for the two browsers, and try that out too.
(yes, *light* is a relative term, however, unless you have a nice box to run Windows on, IE really sucks. Netscape, on the other hand, started out on slow machines, and worked okay. It's enough to make me want to use Netscape 1.2 again.
Also, IE *really* sucks on any non-Windows system. Actually IE3 under Linux (using Wine) is *much* better than IE4 or IE5 attempting to run natively on Solaris.
Which version of NS on Linux? Some of them *do* suck. That's why I'm running 4.61, it's generally better. (haven't tried 4.7 yet) I might compare IE intensively myself on this machine, but I'm not about to install Windows to do it. Wake me up when MS releases IE6 for Linux.
(however, I'm tempted to install IE5 under Wine, that should be an interesting test....)
1. I don't know, but I'm the one providing *any* facts here. Besides, if it works under SP3, why would they have to break it for SP5? Like I said, it's a machine from Gateway that was *designed* to run 98/NT. Hmm.
:) I agree, it's probably better to browse with IE5, but only because IE5 parses *content generated by Microsoft products* better, and gets a faster connection from IIS, and Microsoft-enhanced pages (like microsoft.com). Surprised? I hope not... Incidentally, I also don't use IE5 because its support for UNIX *sucks*! It only works on one special Solaris configuration with kernel patches, and probably about as well under HP/UX. Also, since they had to rip out all the DLL's separately, you get to see how much RAM IE5 uses by itself. Ugh.
:) If you are indeed the same lame Anonymous Coward to which I was speaking earlier. I *never* said anything about IE5 shipping with ActiveDesktop. Put those words back in your mouth because I don't know where it's been. Anyhow, I've tested RAM requirements for IE, and run ActiveDesktop, and it's *slow* if it isn't on a fast machine. In fact, it's optimized for a faster machine. And if you haven't checked the ATI cards lately, getting that far is good, since they're all like: ATI Rage Pro Turbo AGP Ultra Frickin' Long Named Graphics Card. Maybe if they had a short, simple name for it, I'd remember. If I remembered the Gateway model #, I'd let you look it up. And I'm sure that anyone who followed the chain of original posts can tell who's posting their experiences and who's being inflammatory. I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader. :)
2. *I* was commenting on IE5 and ActiveDesktop separately, but if you want a correlation, they're both from Microsoft, they both *eat* RAM, and I'm sure they share DLL's, especially in Win '98. (remember that web-browser-integration-thing?) Also, ActiveDesktop *is* an option. It should be turned off, since it can't be easily un-installed. That was all *I* was trying to say about it.
3. If they're using IE5, then they probably aren't using Linux too, so if they want something to feel guilty about...
4. I don't know, but they do it all the time. Why advertise a free product? Why bundle an inferior product with your OS?
5. Those facts were consistent and in the spirit of your original post.
1. It was a video card for a stock Gateway that was supposed to work under 98/NT. Some flavor of ATI Rage something or other.
2. They bundle it all together. Upgrading to ActiveDesktop came with IE, and integrating IE into the explorer means its DLLs load even if you don't use it.
3. Hello, anyone who doesn't have a P]|[/666 and 8192MB of RAM definitely *doesn't* want IE5. Only the most wacked-out windoze-snivelers actually think that Microsoft puts out a better browser.
4. How much is Microsoft paying you, anyway?
5. If you want to have a real conversation, get an account, try posting facts, and stand up for yourself. Geez.
Anyhow, I've tried DOS, Win 3.1, Linux, and Windows NT on the same machine. Guess what? NT was slow, NT SP3 was slower, and adding the ActiveDesktop + IE 4.0 integration crap made it grind to a halt. Couple this with NT leaking memory, and using too much as is, and I'd rather be using DOS. Fortunately, I have Linux.
Today, a press release for Transmeta, Inc. was cleverly disguised as a patent. Transmeta, Inc. was truly proud that the US Patent & Trademark Office (USPTO) allowed them to release a press release endorsing their vaporware, and was soon picked up by a local website (www.dotslash.org).
"It amazes us that the geeks were able to interpret 'Apparatus for use in a processing system' as 'Wow, they've got something faster than Intel!'. That was our intent, of course, but we hate to see our bretheren fail a Turing test..."
Most of the loading time for me was taken up by their ads. It was still under 10 seconds, though, on my lowly K6/300 with 64MB RAM also over ethernet. However, with junkbuster, it was more like 5 seconds. Check out www.junkbusters.com.
:)
Also, Netscape 4.61 under Linux has worked fine for me, and sometimes stability and dependability is too much to ask under NT4 SP5. I've run into standard hardware that wouldn't run under that, and had to be used under NT4 SP3. (also, ActiveDesktop is slow and memory-intensive, and IE5 is anything *but* light)
Also, braindead AOLers want Internet Explorer--that's their default browser.
1) Install a recent version.
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:)
(maybe they fixed something)
2) Have some idea of what these terms mean: "fdisk", "Partition", "Video Card".
(you'll need to know them for Linux and Windows)
3) Don't be afraid of text boot-up messages. The BIOS does this too.
4) If you can't figure it out, ask for help, or contact the vendor.
5) If you can't do any of the above, *don't* publish a story!
Seriously, is this journalism? How can the ignorant attempt to report factual information? Is today April 1st?
Details:
Caldera - Please install 2.3, not 1.3. I have copies of RedHat 4.0, 5.0, and 6.0. Guess which one I'd rather install?
Video Card: not onboard, or not hard to find -- his friend showed it to him.
3Com card: I hope that was a modem! I've got a card that says "3com" on it, and something that looks like a phone cable, and believe me, it doesn't call anyone!
Quotes
"I don't know what a " + [kernel, domain name, video card] + [is/looks like] + "."
"And you're installing Linux?"
I think you can replace that last one with "And you're installing an Operating System?" without loss of generality. Actually, there must be a lot of hype lately for this guy to know what an operating system is, considering the lack of knowledge he evinces previously. If you can't install or figure out DOS and Windows 3.1, you'll suck at installing an old version of Linux...
Well, I guess that's it for the DarkOver series. But, now I can read them all without worrying about chronological order.
However, remember Isaac Asimov? I *hope* they finally finished releasing Foundation books. I love the books, but he's been dead for years now! I mean, after a while, it has to stop.
...and I guess I got my g/f the last Sword and Sorceress Anthology...