Ya know, everything under communism was also voluntary.
You could choose not to go to the official liberation day parade to wave the flag with the swastika, sorry the hammer and sickle...you could choose not to go every Saturday to work on digging trenches (that's true, they asked for one day per month voluntary labor for the state.....imagine a surgeon digging a trench and that does to his hands)...you could choose not to enter the Hitler youth, sorry the Komsomol....you could choose not to salute to the portrait of the fürer, sorry the dear leader...you could choose not to participate in the daily five minutes of hatred against the filthy Jews, gipsies, faggots, sorry filthy capitalist and imperialists....you could even choose not to show your papers...so how do you like them labor camps, sorry Gulags, hm?
You know what's really indicative of a totalitarian mind? The excuse has always to do with rough individuals not a fault of the system. It was Mao and Stalin your honour, not the system! It was not real communism! Next time we will succeed, for sure! Just 200 extra megadeaths....it's a bargain. Stupido, the system is fucked up so whoever you put on top is a dissaster. Do you seriously suggest that without those individuals the horrors would not have happened? If the Chinese are so revolted why nobody stopped Mao? Cause the system is like that....stupido!
Google "BBC health gap" and prepare to be horrified (it's a series of articles written by some dickless man calling himself a doctor) . Somehow even though women live 8 yrs longer, are healthier, die less at work (93:7), die less from suicide (3:1) there is a health gap, a systematic war against women of which the whole medical profession (where women are the majority) is complicit.
The best I have ever heard is that women are smaller and weaker than men because we systematically and deliberately underfed them throughout the whole of history. I wonder why female chimps are smaller and weaker (and just about every other animal); that patriarchy goes a long way it seems!
BTW, according to Wikipedia there was a society that gave poorer food to women and in this society women did live shorter than men. Guess which society was that? Athens. The city state, that is. Yes, the fathers of democracy. The Spartans had better eugenics program --> they did not allow teenage pregnancy which was an amazing insight for those times. They'd also allow, in exceptional cases, polygamy in light of the numerous young widows among the warrior class. But then, there were other issues in their society (e.g. slavery) that were not so great...
It is absolutely ridiculous that the most privilege group of people in history (white western women) who are surrounded by endless invisible walls of protection and comfort (provided mostly my men), who rubbed their backsides on the banks of the best universities never seen a day of hardship, while their peers in the rest of the world were working full time jobs (sometimes more than one) and rising a family (just ask what my mother or grandmothers think about those screeching harpies...be prepared for the c-word to be mentioned repeatedly) are now declaring the world to the most horrific of places, their position to be one of victimhood and oppression while opening the doors (and legs) to cultures that are decades behind the West in terms of equal treatment of different people (who are the greatest homophobes in the world - Africans and Arabs! The stories I have heard from white, gay South Africans...wow man, just wow!).
In my worst nightmares I could not imagine that the West would come to this. All those years I am here (17), among you, I was worried about the rednecks, the ultra-religious creationists, the "foking banksters", the 1%, the mafia that is the energy industry (oil, gas), food, medicine, cosmetics and so on....anyone can see my/. post history.....and now my own people (the left, don't blame me, I can't help it, no way you can be conservative with extrovert and openness score in the 95 percentile range) betrayed me and became anti-science, anti-free speech, anti-reality for fuck's sake! I am ashamed of myself, that I missed that transformation for many years (yes, I did have horrendous personal problems so I let everything else slide, including political analysis, but still....) and repeated for a while the bulshit without checking the facts...well we live and learn I guess.
I am well aware where the division in groups and the oppressed-oppressor narrative lead. So, westerners, pick your ultimate destiny --> fascist labor camps, or communist Gulags. You don't have a third option since the silent majority happily/docilly allowed the nutters from both sides to hijack the political discourse, the mainstream media, the educational system and so on...now 2 generations have been screwed already. We will harvest what we sow. Good luck!
Everything a child needs to learn and practise in the first 3-4 years of elementary school is:
- sports - music - maths - literacy
"Why sir, you can talk and you can write! You can connect to any person from any background" -- I hear that often from all who know me (confirmed by a whole battery of assessments at work). Well, some of those predispositions/talents seem to be genetics (the IQ for example), but then how did I spend my childhood and teenage years?
Easy --> every single minute of free time (of which you have tons) was divided equally between reading fiction and playing with peers (study did not concern me since my father had done such a great job before my school years so that I could go directly in 4th grade, which I did not for social reasons). I had more than 1000 volumes of fiction, including serious stuff like World classics (emphasis on Russian writers, due to politics); even stuff like 1984, which was forbidden book under communism, under me belt before turning 16 and I had often spent 6-12 hrs per day socializing with peers. During vacations in the countryside the kids gang (of which I was the leader) gathered around 8 AM and disbanded around 10PM, sometimes after midnight. No TV, no PC, no electronic games, not even board games. No comic books (that was a pity; most of those are quite serious and interesting artform), no Superhero movies or cartoons. The hot Sci-Fi show was Blake's seven (no Trek), we had the silly laser pistols made of cardboard. Played with mud, literally, building castles and waging wars...going fishing to the river, playing football, hide-and-seek, cycling "undercover" for 20 km to visit another village against the explicit ban from our parents and so on....
You know what --> within those years, with those kids we experienced just about any social situation you can imagine, multiple times, and we dealt with it without the parents. We did not run for help crying because someone feelings were hurt....When the hormones hit the whole boys-girls dynamic played out. We had the rude, sexists boys which were put in line by the rest of us; we had the jealousy between the girls for the cool boys, we had the first conversations about sex (we had all secretly read the one medical book about sex that every household had at the time) and so on....
And of course there were the endless conversations about stuff from life in general. We talked about science and engineering, about what we have read in books and magazines, I assure you. Often we asked the dads to give tips....to show us the engine of a car, or how to make electrical installation at home, how to make concrete (the dads will ask for help anyway to teach us responsibility and discipline). The grandmothers thought us cooking and gardening, the grandfathers to care for animals and crops. One neighbour is a train driver and will tell us all about it, another is carpenter, another is a farmer and so on....
What I childhood I had, behind the wall, poor as dirt...and it was wonderful!
I am happy to report that all of us are now responsible adults and without exception we are regarded as socially adept and capable individuals!
Aren't we talking about music here? Get a proper DAC device and a pair of proper phones...
My low end audiophile set is Cowon Plenue D and Sennheiser IE80. I dare you to find a phone that can achieve such sound. And with all the loudness wars and compressions people have not had decent sound in their ears for a long time...even when paying 1000 bucks for it...
An interesting comment, part of the extras on the Blue-Ray edition from Camille Paglia (definitely not a man-hating SJW, quite the opposite) was that only a man (male) could do something like this --> to do what is absolutely necessary for survival, overcoming every consideration, including empathy. She said the scene looked to her as a cold-blooded, methodical rape, which Dave executes calmly while the victim pleads....
She does make a mistake here IMO - Dave is not calm at all (listen to the breathing) and this act really taxes him to the limits (not only his life is in danger and the AI is pleading, but once he kills HAL he will be completely, utterly alone). In fact, the actor playing Dave said that this scene was the most emotional for him....
In the book [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mind%27s_I] one of the stories (the idea is the authors use fiction stories that discusses the issues of consciousness and then add their commentary) is about a male engineer who argues with a lady that machines can be "alive". Initially she totally rejects the idea talking about reproduction, feelings and so on, claiming a machine can never have that. So he invites her to the lab and shows her very simple device that behaves, more or less like a modern automatic vacuum cleaner. It looks like a beetle, it can detect live sockets and plug itself in, it emits a purring sound when the battery is charging etc. Then he hands her a hammer and says "kill it!" (the engineer pushes all her buttons through language, saying things like "purr" or "bleed" or "hunger"). Turns out the beetle is programmed to avoid being smashed, it flashes red lights, squeals "in fear" and runs around. At the end the girl can't do it and the engineer smashes it calmly.
The moral of the story is that few simple behaviours that can be programmed on something that will never, ever be intelligent can trigger emotional response so strong that we immediately accept that it is alive and we identify ourselves with it. The most important ones: not wanting to cease to exists, actively avoiding destruction, need for "food" and the added bonus of using sound of "purr" or "squeal" when feeding or running from the hammer. The damn thing could be constructed with 70-ies era electronics, it is that simple....
Today, 30th August 2018. Bbc.com, front page (check it if you don't believe me). The 5 stories that you see immediately are:
1. Elections after Mugabe [photo: woman with a child] 2. Slap video of harassed woman shocks France 3. Why Hunt's gaffe over wife's nationality is so embarrassing 4. Heathcliff and literature's greatest love story are toxic 5. Mansplaining explained in one simple chart
Read them all, I beg you! You will see that no matter what is the subject, even the one about the elections that I would think is rather important for both sexes in Zimbabwe cannot miss to bash ALL men. The one about Heathcliff and mansplaining are soooooo ludicrous that it is not funny anymore. Not even remotely. More like fucking tragedy....
So yhea, your post reads like a classical "exaggerate reality for comic effect" tease....unfortunately you did not exaggerate at all....
Many of my peers in NL who have kids do that. Both parents take different day, so the kids have 4 full days per week with them. In some companies I've worked it is assumed that you must work 36 hrs per week. You do 40 but that means 2 extra days per month are added to your vacation. That's how you get 9 weeks paid holidays....
If only the problem had anything to do with Hungary, Poland or another East European country... One EU leader took action that created the problem for all and then asks to stand united? A leader of the richest EU country no less... Not only East Europe does not have the money to accomodate economy emigrants but they don't want to stay in our country cause noone gets money for not working, including the natives. And finally, east Europe is much wiser when it comes to Marxist bullshit masquerading as 'compassion' and 'equity'. We remember the Gulags my friend...and the 'class enemy' and the '5 minutes of hate' and so much more... Western political discourse in the last decade is taken from 'the manual of the agitprop party worker'. It's scary as hell!
Looking at the PCA analysis of suicide, several risk factors can be identified that increase the rate. So, in order to bring the rate to practically zero we need to make sure that all people on Earth are:
not very intelligent peasants with big families religious poor at war
that women have been second class citizens for millenia through the present.
(Citation needed)
The first step to any productive discussion is agreeing on the facts (premises).
Your statement, uttered en passe with the implicit expectation that it is something so obvious that hardly needs mention is more offensive, untrue, inflammatory and at the end, revolting than just about everything the radical lefties spew of late.
It is akin to denying the Holocaust or the GULAGs.
Are you stating that addictions that does not include 'substance' or 'physical' as you called it are any less troublesome (or addictive). How naive...or ignorant...or both
Agreed. The Shiphol tunnel has inflicted great pain in my life (commuter A'dam - Delft). However I'm still gobsmacked occasionally by the attention to detail....not only in infrastructure. When you realize that in Amstelpark the stones and shells on the ground match the color of the tree's blossoms....that's when you know you are in NL. Love your country, guys, let's make it better! Don't listen to those who try to shame you for your success!
Also, the only thing Americans hate more than football is Mexicans. Sad.
Disclaimers 1.The SJW's are perverted insane fools; still, the vitriol against Mexicans in this 'discussion' triggers even me! You need to scroll down half the thread before you see sane comment. 2.The game is called football. If you insist call the other one American football.
You'll still buy plastics. And eat food. How was it, one kilogram of food uses 9 kilograms hydrocarbons? Not so much the transport but fertilisers. Use any medicine? Organic synthesis.... I'm not sure about the number but if you start synthesizing from carbon and hydrogen you'd need an order of magnitude more energy....
Same here. Was a leftie and raked in mod points. Became a centrist, the slightest criticism for nothing (e.g. TLJ was SJW crapfest) and down you go.... My advice- ignore the extremists and stay focused on Truth and Reason.
The only surprise is that it did not happen after TFW. Disney decided that their public destruction and deliberate attack against world's mythology is bought by the masses....well most people on Earth and particularly the West are old(ish). The brainwahed kids don't know any better but we do.... SW is dead, and good riddance! I'm gonna watch Ep5 tonight to remember what real story telling is about.
Slashdot Mirror
https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE
Ya know, everything under communism was also voluntary.
You could choose not to go to the official liberation day parade to wave the flag with the swastika, sorry the hammer and sickle...you could choose not to go every Saturday to work on digging trenches (that's true, they asked for one day per month voluntary labor for the state.....imagine a surgeon digging a trench and that does to his hands)...you could choose not to enter the Hitler youth, sorry the Komsomol....you could choose not to salute to the portrait of the fürer, sorry the dear leader...you could choose not to participate in the daily five minutes of hatred against the filthy Jews, gipsies, faggots, sorry filthy capitalist and imperialists....you could even choose not to show your papers...so how do you like them labor camps, sorry Gulags, hm?
Fascinating!
You know what's really indicative of a totalitarian mind?
The excuse has always to do with rough individuals not a fault of the system. It was Mao and Stalin your honour, not the system! It was not real communism! Next time we will succeed, for sure! Just 200 extra megadeaths....it's a bargain.
Stupido, the system is fucked up so whoever you put on top is a dissaster. Do you seriously suggest that without those individuals the horrors would not have happened?
If the Chinese are so revolted why nobody stopped Mao? Cause the system is like that....stupido!
They already did, some time ago.
Google "BBC health gap" and prepare to be horrified (it's a series of articles written by some dickless man calling himself a doctor) . Somehow even though women live 8 yrs longer, are healthier, die less at work (93:7), die less from suicide (3:1) there is a health gap, a systematic war against women of which the whole medical profession (where women are the majority) is complicit.
The best I have ever heard is that women are smaller and weaker than men because we systematically and deliberately underfed them throughout the whole of history. I wonder why female chimps are smaller and weaker (and just about every other animal); that patriarchy goes a long way it seems!
BTW, according to Wikipedia there was a society that gave poorer food to women and in this society women did live shorter than men. Guess which society was that? Athens. The city state, that is. Yes, the fathers of democracy. The Spartans had better eugenics program --> they did not allow teenage pregnancy which was an amazing insight for those times. They'd also allow, in exceptional cases, polygamy in light of the numerous young widows among the warrior class. But then, there were other issues in their society (e.g. slavery) that were not so great...
It is absolutely ridiculous that the most privilege group of people in history (white western women) who are surrounded by endless invisible walls of protection and comfort (provided mostly my men), who rubbed their backsides on the banks of the best universities never seen a day of hardship, while their peers in the rest of the world were working full time jobs (sometimes more than one) and rising a family (just ask what my mother or grandmothers think about those screeching harpies...be prepared for the c-word to be mentioned repeatedly) are now declaring the world to the most horrific of places, their position to be one of victimhood and oppression while opening the doors (and legs) to cultures that are decades behind the West in terms of equal treatment of different people (who are the greatest homophobes in the world - Africans and Arabs! The stories I have heard from white, gay South Africans...wow man, just wow!).
In my worst nightmares I could not imagine that the West would come to this. All those years I am here (17), among you, I was worried about the rednecks, the ultra-religious creationists, the "foking banksters", the 1%, the mafia that is the energy industry (oil, gas), food, medicine, cosmetics and so on....anyone can see my /. post history.....and now my own people (the left, don't blame me, I can't help it, no way you can be conservative with extrovert and openness score in the 95 percentile range) betrayed me and became anti-science, anti-free speech, anti-reality for fuck's sake! I am ashamed of myself, that I missed that transformation for many years (yes, I did have horrendous personal problems so I let everything else slide, including political analysis, but still....) and repeated for a while the bulshit without checking the facts...well we live and learn I guess.
I am well aware where the division in groups and the oppressed-oppressor narrative lead. So, westerners, pick your ultimate destiny --> fascist labor camps, or communist Gulags. You don't have a third option since the silent majority happily/docilly allowed the nutters from both sides to hijack the political discourse, the mainstream media, the educational system and so on...now 2 generations have been screwed already. We will harvest what we sow. Good luck!
And on que the persona was attacked rather than refuting or agreeing with the facts.
How much more self-revealing a behaviour can be?
Everything a child needs to learn and practise in the first 3-4 years of elementary school is:
- sports
- music
- maths
- literacy
"Why sir, you can talk and you can write! You can connect to any person from any background" -- I hear that often from all who know me (confirmed by a whole battery of assessments at work). Well, some of those predispositions/talents seem to be genetics (the IQ for example), but then how did I spend my childhood and teenage years?
Easy --> every single minute of free time (of which you have tons) was divided equally between reading fiction and playing with peers (study did not concern me since my father had done such a great job before my school years so that I could go directly in 4th grade, which I did not for social reasons). I had more than 1000 volumes of fiction, including serious stuff like World classics (emphasis on Russian writers, due to politics); even stuff like 1984, which was forbidden book under communism, under me belt before turning 16 and I had often spent 6-12 hrs per day socializing with peers. During vacations in the countryside the kids gang (of which I was the leader) gathered around 8 AM and disbanded around 10PM, sometimes after midnight.
No TV, no PC, no electronic games, not even board games. No comic books (that was a pity; most of those are quite serious and interesting artform), no Superhero movies or cartoons. The hot Sci-Fi show was Blake's seven (no Trek), we had the silly laser pistols made of cardboard. Played with mud, literally, building castles and waging wars...going fishing to the river, playing football, hide-and-seek, cycling "undercover" for 20 km to visit another village against the explicit ban from our parents and so on....
You know what --> within those years, with those kids we experienced just about any social situation you can imagine, multiple times, and we dealt with it without the parents. We did not run for help crying because someone feelings were hurt....When the hormones hit the whole boys-girls dynamic played out. We had the rude, sexists boys which were put in line by the rest of us; we had the jealousy between the girls for the cool boys, we had the first conversations about sex (we had all secretly read the one medical book about sex that every household had at the time) and so on....
And of course there were the endless conversations about stuff from life in general. We talked about science and engineering, about what we have read in books and magazines, I assure you. Often we asked the dads to give tips....to show us the engine of a car, or how to make electrical installation at home, how to make concrete (the dads will ask for help anyway to teach us responsibility and discipline). The grandmothers thought us cooking and gardening, the grandfathers to care for animals and crops. One neighbour is a train driver and will tell us all about it, another is carpenter, another is a farmer and so on....
What I childhood I had, behind the wall, poor as dirt...and it was wonderful!
I am happy to report that all of us are now responsible adults and without exception we are regarded as socially adept and capable individuals!
Aren't we talking about music here? Get a proper DAC device and a pair of proper phones...
My low end audiophile set is Cowon Plenue D and Sennheiser IE80. I dare you to find a phone that can achieve such sound.
And with all the loudness wars and compressions people have not had decent sound in their ears for a long time...even when paying 1000 bucks for it...
An interesting comment, part of the extras on the Blue-Ray edition from Camille Paglia (definitely not a man-hating SJW, quite the opposite) was that only a man (male) could do something like this --> to do what is absolutely necessary for survival, overcoming every consideration, including empathy. She said the scene looked to her as a cold-blooded, methodical rape, which Dave executes calmly while the victim pleads....
She does make a mistake here IMO - Dave is not calm at all (listen to the breathing) and this act really taxes him to the limits (not only his life is in danger and the AI is pleading, but once he kills HAL he will be completely, utterly alone). In fact, the actor playing Dave said that this scene was the most emotional for him....
In the book [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mind%27s_I] one of the stories (the idea is the authors use fiction stories that discusses the issues of consciousness and then add their commentary) is about a male engineer who argues with a lady that machines can be "alive". Initially she totally rejects the idea talking about reproduction, feelings and so on, claiming a machine can never have that. So he invites her to the lab and shows her very simple device that behaves, more or less like a modern automatic vacuum cleaner. It looks like a beetle, it can detect live sockets and plug itself in, it emits a purring sound when the battery is charging etc. Then he hands her a hammer and says "kill it!" (the engineer pushes all her buttons through language, saying things like "purr" or "bleed" or "hunger"). Turns out the beetle is programmed to avoid being smashed, it flashes red lights, squeals "in fear" and runs around. At the end the girl can't do it and the engineer smashes it calmly.
The moral of the story is that few simple behaviours that can be programmed on something that will never, ever be intelligent can trigger emotional response so strong that we immediately accept that it is alive and we identify ourselves with it. The most important ones: not wanting to cease to exists, actively avoiding destruction, need for "food" and the added bonus of using sound of "purr" or "squeal" when feeding or running from the hammer. The damn thing could be constructed with 70-ies era electronics, it is that simple....
Today, 30th August 2018. Bbc.com, front page (check it if you don't believe me). The 5 stories that you see immediately are:
1. Elections after Mugabe [photo: woman with a child]
2. Slap video of harassed woman shocks France
3. Why Hunt's gaffe over wife's nationality is so embarrassing
4. Heathcliff and literature's greatest love story are toxic
5. Mansplaining explained in one simple chart
Read them all, I beg you! You will see that no matter what is the subject, even the one about the elections that I would think is rather important for both sexes in Zimbabwe cannot miss to bash ALL men. The one about Heathcliff and mansplaining are soooooo ludicrous that it is not funny anymore. Not even remotely. More like fucking tragedy....
So yhea, your post reads like a classical "exaggerate reality for comic effect" tease....unfortunately you did not exaggerate at all....
Many of my peers in NL who have kids do that. Both parents take different day, so the kids have 4 full days per week with them.
In some companies I've worked it is assumed that you must work 36 hrs per week. You do 40 but that means 2 extra days per month are added to your vacation. That's how you get 9 weeks paid holidays....
Stupid swipe keyboard....sorry!
If you are twenty and you are not a communist you have no heart.
If you are forty and still a communist you've got no brain.
Don't let compassion fol you. In extreme it is just as dangerous as no havung it at all...
If only the problem had anything to do with Hungary, Poland or another East European country...
One EU leader took action that created the problem for all and then asks to stand united? A leader of the richest EU country no less...
Not only East Europe does not have the money to accomodate economy emigrants but they don't want to stay in our country cause noone gets money for not working, including the natives.
And finally, east Europe is much wiser when it comes to Marxist bullshit masquerading as 'compassion' and 'equity'.
We remember the Gulags my friend...and the 'class enemy' and the '5 minutes of hate' and so much more...
Western political discourse in the last decade is taken from 'the manual of the agitprop party worker'. It's scary as hell!
Looking at the PCA analysis of suicide, several risk factors can be identified that increase the rate. So, in order to bring the rate to practically zero we need to make sure that all people on Earth are:
not very intelligent
peasants
with big families
religious
poor
at war
Careful what you wish for!
I repeat: Lucy is here....and we thought we need to travel 5.2 AU to get to her :)
that women have been second class citizens for millenia through the present.
(Citation needed)
The first step to any productive discussion is agreeing on the facts (premises).
Your statement, uttered en passe with the implicit expectation that it is something so obvious that hardly needs mention is more offensive, untrue, inflammatory and at the end, revolting than just about everything the radical lefties spew of late.
It is akin to denying the Holocaust or the GULAGs.
Go home and rethink your life!
Well, if the so called AI can't distinguish between its and it's then fuck it!
Are you stating that addictions that does not include 'substance' or 'physical' as you called it are any less troublesome (or addictive).
How naive...or ignorant...or both
Agreed. The Shiphol tunnel has inflicted great pain in my life (commuter A'dam - Delft).
However I'm still gobsmacked occasionally by the attention to detail....not only in infrastructure.
When you realize that in Amstelpark the stones and shells on the ground match the color of the tree's blossoms....that's when you know you are in NL.
Love your country, guys, let's make it better! Don't listen to those who try to shame you for your success!
Also, the only thing Americans hate more than football is Mexicans. Sad.
Disclaimers
1.The SJW's are perverted insane fools; still, the vitriol against Mexicans in this 'discussion' triggers even me! You need to scroll down half the thread before you see sane comment.
2.The game is called football. If you insist call the other one American football.
https://xkcd.com/1162/
Used that one as desktop for a while....nice conversation starter and great trigger of fundies...
You'll still buy plastics. And eat food. How was it, one kilogram of food uses 9 kilograms hydrocarbons? Not so much the transport but fertilisers.
Use any medicine? Organic synthesis....
I'm not sure about the number but if you start synthesizing from carbon and hydrogen you'd need an order of magnitude more energy....
Same here. Was a leftie and raked in mod points. Became a centrist, the slightest criticism for nothing (e.g. TLJ was SJW crapfest) and down you go....
My advice- ignore the extremists and stay focused on Truth and Reason.
The only surprise is that it did not happen after TFW.
Disney decided that their public destruction and deliberate attack against world's mythology is bought by the masses....well most people on Earth and particularly the West are old(ish). The brainwahed kids don't know any better but we do....
SW is dead, and good riddance! I'm gonna watch Ep5 tonight to remember what real story telling is about.
Why don't you share your adult insight, AC? Triggered much?
Fucker, I've lived 3 lives and I'm not even 50 yet.
Communist state, post communist state and western democracy.
You don't get to tell who's the kid hereðY