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'Solo' Will Lose $50+ Million In First Defeat For Disney's 'Star Wars' Empire (hollywoodreporter.com)
Zorro shares a report from The Hollywood Reporter: To borrow one of Han Solo's lines from Star Wars: The Force Awakens, "That's not how the Force works!" It's an apt way to sum up the troubled performance of Solo: A Star Wars Story. In one of the biggest box-office surprises in recent times, Solo is badly underperforming and will become the first of the Star Wars movies made by Disney and Lucasfilm to lose money. Wall Street analyst Barton Crockett says Solo will lose more than $50 million. Industry financing sources, however, say that figure could come in at $80 million or higher, although no one knows the exact terms of Disney's deals for home entertainment and television, among other ancillary revenues.
Is weak with this one.
Wall Street analyst Barton Crockett says Solo will lose more than $50 million. Industry financing sources, however, say that figure could come in at $80 million or higher, although no one knows the exact terms of Disney's deals for home entertainment and television, among other ancillary revenues.
In other words Solo will still make money even if only by the skin of it's teeth, this article claiming Disney will lose money on it is clickbait and ... damn .... I just fell for it ....
In the long run it will make hundreds of millions in DVD sales and TV rights world wide. And that's not counting merchandise.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
The only surprise is that it did not happen after TFW.
Disney decided that their public destruction and deliberate attack against world's mythology is bought by the masses....well most people on Earth and particularly the West are old(ish). The brainwahed kids don't know any better but we do....
SW is dead, and good riddance! I'm gonna watch Ep5 tonight to remember what real story telling is about.
I'm not really sure where the negative vibes came from; I thought it was better than "The Last Jedi" and a lot better than "Infinity Wars".
Ron Howard did a credible job as director (you can see what was done before him).
I think it really comes down to "Jedi Fatigue" and a really stupid release date (against "Infinity Wars" and "Deadpool 2").
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There's a wikipedia page about this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting
Telling a completely new story in a great universe? Great idea.
Telling a derivative story in a great universe? Good idea.
Shooting a remake of a great movie? Decent idea.
Shooting a movie with an iconic character, defined by an iconic actor? Terrible idea.
The Star Trek remakes got away with it because the roles made the actors more than the actors made the roles (though they're still boring movies).
But Han Solo was cool because Harrison Ford is a top-end actor who absolutely nailed the character of Han Solo. A Han Solo movie without Harrison Ford is basically a movie of going "Boy, that character isn't nearly as interesting as I remember. And that guy still isn't Harrison Ford!"
It's not like there were a lack of stories to tell in the Star Wars universe.
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It's much better than the last jedi
it will run for quite awhile longer, plus there's profits to be made from pay-per-view, streaming, home video (yes, that's still a thing), tv deals, and merchandising, etc. all-in-all, it *will* generate a net profit, and a tidy sum at that. it will only "lose" money on the books (as most movies do, even major blockbusters like harry potter series. ref: 'hollywood accounting'), so they don't have to pay any tax on the more-modest take compared to a movie with 'star wars' at the top of the title card... and that's really where disney fucked up: they called it "solo: a star wars story" instead of "star wars: solo's story"
Your comment fits more in line with empirically observed crowd behavior.
At first glance, I read this story and pondered: "What!! Are people less stupid than I thought?? Can't be!"
Thank you for resolving the dilemma.
phewww... cease fire stand down.. big blue marble becoming big no-fly zone in cosmos? trying not to get any of 'us' on them? as we hang on to our hemispheres,, good sports with good spirits will prevail.. thanks again..
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I think that the scene where he shags the wookiee put some people off
Stick to Mickey Mouse and Snow White, Disney!
So box office returns are below estimates. But we still have to go through the PPV, the DVD/BD disc releases, streaming service, TV, then there's all the merchandise/toys, etc. etc.
When the copyright term is "forever minus a day", live every day like it's the last.
Marketing has little to nothing to do with it, but at least that's less stupid than the SW Fatigue shtick. Star Wars fans would have thrown money at the franchise forever without a second thought if they hadn't put social evangelists in charge and allowed them to burn it down.
--- Mercutio was right.
If you look at it as just an adventure in the Star Wars Universe, it's a pretty fun movie. Alden Ehrenreich actually surprised me, sure he doesn't look like Han but the character he played I could see evolve over 10 years into the smuggler we know and love in Ep. IV.
The problem with this movie is that a lot of people knew the gist of Han's backstory and/or didn't care about having it spelled out for them. Disney needs to make movies about stuff we don't know or just stories in that rich universe. We don't need to see backstories for all big characters, we'd be happy with original stories with the occasional cameo thrown in (which more closely resembles what Rogue One tried to do).
You are a sodomite.
The costs:
Initial production budget was 250 mil. The movie was 80% done when the directors were fired and the new one re-shot most of the movie. So I'm adding 150 mil. The promotional budget for these movies is about the same as the production, so another 250 mil. Totaling 650 mil.
The revenue:
264 mil so far, not likely to go up by much. The second week's drop was quite heavy, so I expect 300 mil in total. Of which Disney's share is anyone's guess. Roughly half, 150 mil. Pathetic. Toy sales, TV rights, DVDs? Can't be much, judging by what The Last Jedi did. It basically broke Toys'R'Us! No one but ultra-geeks and collectors were exited about those toys. The regular fans, the general public, kids... are either "Meh" about it or actively hate Disney's Star Wars. The Last Jedi killed the golden goose.
The big picture:
Disney paid cool 4 billion for the franchise. A completely safe long-term investment in index funds will bring 5-10% annually. Therefore, Star Wars needs to bring 600 million to 1 billion every year to be on par. Disney needs The Force Awakens kind of film every year. So far, the investment has been a colossal failure. Disney can eat the loss because of the Marvel movies, theme parks, etc, but Star Wars will be a case study in failure for years to come.
The only 'live' actor in the Star War series is Han Solo, and that is because of Harrison Ford.
Without Harrison Ford there will be no Han Solo, period.
Go to youtube. There are quite literally hundreds if not thousands of videos that detailed what went wrong. For one thing, there was an active boycott of Solo (otherwise known as Soylo now among fans for the apparent reveal by the writer that Lando is a pansexual right before the release of the movie). This also probably killed the movie for countless red-state movie goers who were already incensed at the blatant SJW preaching that The Last Jedi seemed to do.
Really though, the stage was set for Solo's downfall with the poor movie (look at Rotten Tomato reviews) of The Last Jedi Returns. Sargon of Akkad has a video called "Gender Wars" that received a million views. How many of those did not buy a ticket to Solo? The Last Jedi is where the bridges were burned, and Solo is the consequence of that. Not that Solo is bad movie (though it has been described as mediocre at best).
It is clear that Kathleen Kennedy wanted to inject her politics heavily into The Last Jedi. In an interview she specifically said that she did not feel like she needed to cater to the fan base. The director Rian Johnson and writer John Kasden have been treating fans inhospitably in rather poor attempts to defend their story decisions.
Kathleen Kennedy made a Star Wars film that she and her fellow feminists wanted to see. Not what the traditional fan base was looking for (e.g. how the Luke Skywalker character was treated in The Last Jedi and the nonsensical Mary Sue aspects).
It appears there are not as many feminists interested in Star Wars as there was with the traditional demographic.
The classic and arguably best Disney movies once represented Middle Class American values.
Take for example Pinocchio. From its Wikipedia:
"The film is... intended to relay the "middle-class virtues of deferred gratification, self-denial, thrift, and perseverance, naturalized as the experience of the most average American"
Now Disney via Star Wars represents... the values of Purple-haired social justice warrior feminists?
People want simple tales, that show hard work, perseverance and team work rewarded. That's why Avengers etc. are so popular.
Shooting a movie with an iconic character, defined by an iconic actor? Terrible idea.
True Grit. Iconic character: Rooster Cogburn. Iconic actor: John Wayne in 1969. The 2010 remake had a good script and good actors. In particular Jeff Bridges as Cogburn. So like any other movie the script and the actors seem to be the key factors in success.
OK that's a remake not delving into an established character's past. Perhaps a more appropriate counterargument would involve a different Harrison Ford role, Indiana Jones. In Last Crusade we have River Phoenix playing a young Indiana Jones and revealing part of Jone's mysterious background. I thought those scenes worked well, again it may be all about the script and the actors. With a good script could River Phoenix have pulled off a respectable full length movie exploring Jone's youth? The Last Crusade scenes suggest that would be entire plausible.
When Rogue One came out, I was skeptical that a spinoff movie could be any good, so I didn't see it at first. I was impressed by it, so figured Solo might be a safer bet than I'd ordinarily expect. Now with the fan reaction, I'm not so sure. Perhaps the reason Rogue One succeeded where Solo did not is that the former stars all-new characters (with some classic characters in ancillary roles) whereas Solo puts classic characters front and center, played by new actors. I.e. don't fuck with viewers' nostalgia. The Boba Fett movie will probably crash and burn, similarly.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
The trilogy grossed over $2.9 billion, but the studio claimed "horrendous losses" and tried to weasel out of paying anyone.
Finally... Lando. With Donald Glover looking stylish as Solo's pal/frenemy, the movie promises that we'll watch the fateful sabacc game where Han won the Falcon from him...
i don't get it, that was the best star war movie ever - why it should loose money?!
The movies are an advertisement for the merchandise. Reinvigorated sales of the Millennium Falcon merchandise is the real goal here. :-)
Rogue One was a backstory movie too. It gave us the details on where the plans for the Death Star came from, how those many bothans had died. And I suppose it showed us where all those bodies laying around Leia's transport came from.
wow. bummer. /s
You wont know if it lost money untill in 70y!
im pretty sure they will milk it untill the bitter end when the copyright runs out
Perhaps all the prerelease publicity about Landing being gay, and "pan sexual", whatever that meant, turned out to be ... a turn-off?
To be honest, I've had higher priority things. I'm planning on seeing tomorrow...
and branded products (Toys, T-Shirts, etc) they'll still make a small fortune on this movie.
Actually, by significance, you should put this one first on the list.
Even more so as George Lucas himself came up with the idea of merchandising with the first movie in the series (he on purpose kept the right on merch for himself and that's how he became so much financially successful),
and as the franchise is currently owned by Disney who are (Jedi- ?) masters of the merchandising revenue.
Disney will end up making gobs of money, if only due to the giant flood of tie-in products on the shelves, but probably even for the mass of avarege people who are just happy to enjoy any so-so summer (Also docker leverages the capabilties system of the kernel)movie.
No matter how much nerd-rage is going on by an extremely vocal but relatively small community of geeks complaining "#NotMyHan" on forums and youtube channels.
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I outline the case behind what happened in my "for specifics" post below. The fact is many fans were really put off by the SJW nonsense in The Last Jedi. A lot of the media and many liberals are in complete denial about this reality. But we are just really tired of heaping amounts of agenda being poured into films.
For a start, people can go to youtube and watch the "Gender Wars" video if they want to learn more about the soycott.
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Studios like to play all sorts of games to hide profits, dodge taxes and avoid royalty payments. Like charging themselves to distribute their own movies and a host of other little games that can make a profitable film look like a loser.
The non-main story SW movies should be smaller, and cheaper. A Han Solo movie should be just that. Spend the money on good lines, and spend a significant amount of time in bars, and alleyways, talking and scheming. Disney did not do that.
AYOO! But I guess that's what happens when you're trying to crank a movie out every year...
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"How can a movie that grossed $475 million on a $32 million budget not turn a profit? It comes down to Tinseltown accounting. As Planet Money explained in an interview with Edward Jay Epstein in 2010, studios typically set up a separate "corporation" for each movie they produce. Like any company, it calculates profits by subtracting expenses from revenues. Erase any possible profit, the studio charges this "movie corporation" a big fee that overshadows the film's revenue. For accounting purposes, the movie is a money "loser" and there are no profits to distribute.
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It wasn't a terrible movie
Being not terrible is not a reason to be a box office it. It is a $150 million mediocre movie. The characters aren't that engaging. The plot isn't that engaging. Han comes off as a gullible doofus. L3 was just pathetic especially the whole "death" scene. And, Lando crying over L3 like it was his lover? Really? The explanation of the Kessel run was pretty lame too, especially with the "carbon bergs the size of planets".
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Oh please. Nobody really believes that except the nutters who think that Tom Clancey was killed because his movies were revealing the secret Liberal Conspiracy and they also think ET was about illegal immigration.
Reality? The Force Awakens was a bad movie which copied off the first and whatever nonsense was cobbled together for the Last Jedi made even less sense once they lost a cast member.
But sure, go write a Trump Lovers Sci-Fi movie.
L3, really? Enfys is a teenage POC, really?
But I'm a white man.
Heart, brain and wallet.
They are as shoes and thieves not murderers.
Prison maybe.
Disney parks were known for their "gay days" long before SJW was an acronym. Ever since Eisner took over, Disney has been rolling down the slippery slope to leftist politics that clash with middle-America values.
In one of the biggest box-office surprises in recent times...
If you watched any of the boring previews, this is no surprise whatsoever.
It's the first kinda ok one in a while, but mostly because of the lack of Star wars garbage in it.
That world and series is long dead to me, tfa was ok, rogue one, not good and tlj an insult to the originals.
Solo is a refreshing side jaunt, a bit of dumb fun.
An unnecessary backstory on an established character released after the first bad Star Wars film since the prequels has done poorly?
amazing
My own opinion is that "Solo" is flopping because people have finally realized the series is never going to get any better.
Some background: I saw the original "Star Wars" in college. It was a jaw-dropping movie, (unless you're old enough to remember what science fiction / fantasy movies were like before the release of SW, you really can't appreciate how amazing an experience it was to see it in the theater), and "The Empire Strikes Back" was even better. But "Return of the Jedi" was a let down, in large part because Lucas had full creative control and couldn't resist inserting "cutesy" characters like Ewoks into the story, and adding a ridiculously sappy ending.
Still, two out of three wasn't bad. And then came episodes 1 through 3, which conclusively proved that Lucas knew how to build a universe, but had no clue how to write a good story. So now it's two out of six, but there was still hope after Lucas sold the franchise to Disney. Maybe (I thought), having some new people in charge might revitalize the SW universe.
"The Force Awakens" was a reasonable reboot. J.J. Abrams isn't a great director, but he's a competent one, and he avoided a lot of pitfalls by recycling the plot of the original movie. "Rogue One" was a competent one-shot, but nothing special. Now's it four out of eight good films if you're generous.
Then came "The Last Jedi", and the painful realization that really, really bad would be the new normal for Disney, and that future "Star Wars" movies would be micro-managed by Disney execs and designed to sell overpriced merchandise. And that, for me, was the end of it. When I walked out the "The Last Jedi", I knew I wouldn't be paying to see another Star Wars movie in the theater again. Most "Star Wars" movies have ranged from mediocre to bad, and it is never going to change. Disney will never let go. It'll just be bad formula movies from now on.
I am indifferent to "Solo", which by all accounts is another painfully mediocre film. I might watch it when it hits cable, but I have about as much desire to see another "Star Wars" movie in the theater as I do to see another "Mission Impossible" or "Transformers" movie, i.e. none at all. And given how "Solo" is doing, I suspect I have a lot of company.
Disney could view this as a moment to learn about franchise fatigue, how fans are getting sick of their injection of weird feminist politics into SW, how they need to focus on better writing and directing, etc.
Instead I guarantee you that Kathleen Kennedy will spin this as "People aren't interested in seeing movies with white male heroes anymore."
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Much like the proposed Boba Fett movie. When it comes down to it, no one really cared how Han became the Han we saw in the Star Wars Universe and killing him off did more to enrage fans about a prequel than it did to excite them about it. And those toys are going to end up in the clearance aisle in Walmart before the end of the Summer.
I saw it, and I was entertained.
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Eventually the cash cow runs out of milk.
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The Star Wars Universe had at least as much if not more story written out covering almost all time periods.
Hell, Solo itself is basically crippled ripoffs of plotpoints from The Han Solo Trilogy, and the 'prequel' Lando Calrissian Trilogy from the late 70s/Early 80s, down to 133t himself, who is just a bad standin for Bollux/Blue Max, who imho were probably the most iconic droids of the written EU (behind R2D2, C3PO, IG-88, the assassin droid from KOTOR, mostly because of differences in Star Wars popularity when they came out.)
What I've heard is that they put a lot of political correctness into some of the characters/movie and this detracted from the result. That is, it no longer has the same good VS evil with strong male role models. What does everyone else think? Who has watched it?
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The starwars universe is over. They might find a new audience, but it will be tiny and emaciated
Solo is being punished for the steaming pile of sh*t Disney served us with Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. Seriously, who's the idiot that thought it would be a good idea to kill off Solo and Skywalker after fans have waited 30 years for the conclusion to the story?
I saw Titanic at a matinee on a date; my girlfriend and I used to go to those to have a place to make out away from the families. Being that she was a Goth and I was a metalhead, we obviously thought it would be "gay" (remembering that in the 90's that word mostly meant stupid and weak). But it was one of the only movies we actually watched!
Sure, it's a bit silly, and it does not stand up well for a second watching when all the plot holes become obvious, but it was actually a really good movie.
Boy, I am glad I married that girl.
Know movie for fun.
Dont place SJW politics all over plot.
Trust in fans and what they liked to buy with past movies.
Dont add SJW emotions to movie that is to be fun for all.
Make sure script and speaking fits in with what fans expect given past history of movies.
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Solo was horrible. The social justice warrior robot was really idiotic. Jar Jar is no longer the dumbest Star Wars character.
But how much of that revenue will be made up for in sales of the "Donald Glover as Lando Calrissian" action figure?
So ypu're an incel now?
Why were you modded down? Interesting and thoughtful post with more than a shred of truth.
It shows how the mod system of Slashdot is used to suppress opinions and ideas. Well I guess I will have to crapflood Slashdot for a couple of days to punish them for a poor mod system. People can burn up their mod points modding down my bullshit. Disrupting Slashdot is a good thing when no respect is given to thoughtful users.
I'm not sure where you're getting this stuff about the Jedi from.
"...but they were actually pretty awful all round"
They were? They seem to be universally loved by "good characters" in the universe. Let's see why you say the are "pretty awful"
"They considered themselves superior and claimed ownership of the Force, used it to manipulate people without a second thought"
Sure seems like they would have been running the Republic's government if they thought they were both superior and were happy to "manipulate people without a second though". But no, instead of pursuing power in the Republic they acted as servants of it.
"...and didn't seem to care at all about injustices like slavery."
Slavery was illegal in the Republic ( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki... ) so while it did exist in a few backwaters like Tatooine, this does not mean that the Jedi didn't care about it any more than the Republic didn't. They were a relatively small order patrolling the bulk of the galaxy and by their own admission, couldnt get to everything. In fact, "When the Old Republic outlawed slavery, the Jedi set about to free those held..." (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Order).
"Luke tried to emulate them but made the same mistakes, resulting in Kylo Ren."
Specifically, what mistakes were made? The only one I know of was pulling his light saber out for a moment when he sensed the Dark side's influence on Ren.
Don't get me wrong, what you're throwing out here is certainly an interesting narrative, it just doesn't fit the facts.
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I'm sure if they lost money its not as much as people think.
This was just bad timing more then a bad movie. I saw it and it was an enjoyable heist film set in the Star Wars universe. I think whoever in Marvel decided that Infinity War, then Deadpool 2, then Solo should all be released within two weeks of each other (4/27, 5/10, 5/24) made a major goof.
Something had to give, and it was Solo
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Unless you are building actual spaceships, it doesn't make sense to be losing money on something that makes you $400M. There almost certainly either some major fraud and theft happening here that caused a lot of money to go missing, or else they are knowingly paying 10x-100x too much for something and should review their decisions.
Either way, this wakeup call should help them prevent future expenditures such that revenue as ridiculously high as $400M revenue can possibly result in a loss. Find the missing money and try to get it back, and this film should easily be profitable.
I'm so sorry your cash machine doesn't work. I guess you'll have to win us over with artistic merit instead of a brand name .
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I am shocked, shocked that if you make three incredibly boring movies in a row, that people will predict that the 4th will be boring too, and not be in a hurry to go see it.
I'm a pirate so I watched them at home, but I'm not kidding: I literally fell asleep during each of The Force Awakens, Rogue One, and The Last Jedi. (And no, I don't normally fall asleep during movies.) At least with Rogue One I eventually re-watched it again while awake. The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, though: I think it unlikely I'm ever going to see them whole, because I know they'll just make me sleepy again.
The files are just sitting there waiting to click, any time. But they're simply not worth watching for free. So how the fuck can you spend hundreds of millions of dollars to make a movie that isn't even worth watching for free? Something is wrong. You should only do that for movies that people can stay awake for. If you're going to specialize in unusually boring movies, you've got to get your costs way down.
All the new disney star wars movies suck.
Sounds like Fox when they handed the Fantastic Four reboot to a newbie with a couple of indie credits under his belt. That bomb plus TLJ may have discouraged studios from handing huge franchise movies to directors who only had experience with low budget, low special effects films - until Ryan Coogler had to come in and fuck all that up with Black Panther. Now studios will go on, trusting $300 million movies to directors with a couple of movies and TV credits to their name - thanks Ryan!
I haven't seen the new Solo movie yet but I have to admit I wasn't full of enthusiasm for it because Han Solo was played by an actor who really didn't seem to fit the role well. I think the portrayal in the Trailers hurt the movie the most. And it's not impossible to find good match-ups, I remember watching the Chronicles of Young Indiana Jones when I was younger and that actor was a good match up compared to older Indiana Jones.
A movie that was strategically conceived to milk a franchise to death did that! Goodbye Start Wars and good riddance, now that the Mouse has you by the balls.
That is all.
The problem really was that it was $250 million film that should have been a $100 million budget film.
It basically had the same budget as TFA and Rogue for a film that should have been a smaller scale piece.
If I had done a solo movie
You do $100 million film set the damn thing on Kashykk with wookies galore less cgi, more guys in furry suits.
Show how Solo and Chewbacca met and have the climax of the movie having Han win the Falcon.
I always hated his music, but he was so lame in The Martian "mansplaining" his big idea to the team and being especially condescending to the woman. Yeah, I know he didn't write the script, but still that smug smarminess is also in his music which is written by him, so it must be part of his schtick. Also, the movie is supposed to be about Han Solo, but somehow Donald Glover is the star? Should it be called Lando? Either way, I didn't watch Rogue One and I sure as hell won't watch this either.
I thought the declining NFL ratings was because of the head injuries and the off field domestic violence. or is that the "SJW stuff" you're talking about.
This is a dating site. SJW stands for Single Jewish Woman.
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1) I don't care to know about Han Solo's past. Just like I don't care to know about emo-Vader.
2) Star Wars needs a break. I have serious Star Wars fatigue. I like Rogue One. I even like TLJ despite everything (Rose/Fin, get off my lawn Luke, Leia in space, etc.) There are just too many films and television properties in the SW universe to keep up.
3) As long as Harrison Ford is still alive he's Han Solo, Indiana Jones, and Deckard. I can't imagine anyone else doing those characters except for Harrison Ford.
4) I've moved on. Can we get a good Last Starfighter remake? Maybe a limited run series like Battlestar Galactica. Or how about Babylon 5?
It would be that: first you have to have a good story.
Big name actors, special effects, respected franchises, and all that are great - but if you don't have a good story, you have nothing worth watching.
I need to care about the characters. The character's actions, and the story line, have to make sense.
Incoherent stories slapped together by marketing research, committees, focus groups, and agenda driven feminists; just don't cut it.
When it comes to stories: Pixar blows Disney out of the water.
That's what happens when you put the biggest pothead in Hollywood in a Star Wars movie - nobody can take it seriously.
The film is expected to gross $400 million.
Production costs are started at $250 million with marketing costs stated at $150 million. There's some scuttle butt that the production costs were actually higher but ignore that.
So $400 million to make and market.
Disney gets less than half of global box office and about half to a little over half of domestic box office. It varies because typically the studio gets more to all on the first 2-3 weeks for domestic screenings and the theaters get everything after that (so theaters love slow burn hits while studios love to have almost everyone see the film immediately).
So anyway... Disney gets half the gross which is projected to make $400 million or $200 million.
That's a $200 million loss- not a $50 milion loss.
Plus merchandising sales are apparently still in the toilet.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Stop making star wars and superhero movies. It's dead, Jim.
Seemed like a fail of a dumb idea when announced, why is anyone surprised?
What seems far dumber: Boba Fett. Let's watch!
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Spoiler Alert! I went in to the movie expecting it to be pretty bad, but they did a better job than I expected. I figured the Kessel Run would be a big theme in the movie, so they could finally explain the "6 parsecs" claim. I think it was pretty obviuos that whoever wrote that line had no idea what they were talking about. I figured somewhere someone would try to make something up to explain it, and it's popped into my head many times over the past 30 years and I wondered about ways they could do it. I was unimpressed whith how they did. But when Solo said "I just did the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs" I laughed pretty hard. In a half full theater, I was the only one that laughed. To me that line alone was worth the price of admission. I assume it's like a fish story where it gets exaggerated a little more every time it's told.
Lol - did you slip a copypasta in there about "docker"?
I just didn't want to go to the movies 3 weekends in a row.
No, I am pansexual.
Guys, haven't you seen this infographic? https://img.4plebs.org/boards/... I thought this was common knowledge, because it raised quite a noise on the youtube Star Wars channels, which are critical of Disney's direction. Also on those channels, it's common knowledge that the merchandise of TLJ remained in the stores. So much is still there, on discount, that there is very little merchandise released now for Solo - the stores don't want to take the same risk.
Here are come channels for your entertainment: Geeks + Gamers, Mindless Entertainment, Comicbookpro Secrets, Ivan Ortega, WorldClassBulshitters, Tha Gospel According to Mark with a Cee, That Star Wars Girl. Those will lead you to other similar channels, it's a tightly knit community. Hilarious, insightful, creative (Ivan Ortega is making a re-cut of TLJ, "fixing it"). Even if you don't agree with these people, they'll make you think.
Entitled "Solo"!
In all seriousness, I saw the movie, and unless you're a dedicated Star Wars nerd looking to learn a little more Star Wars trivia to stump your friends with, it won't hurt to miss it. I just wonder if Enfys Nest becomes an important character later, or even if she might be Rey's mom.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Volcel, completely different. Keep demonizing incels tho, that can't possibly backfire in any way...
Hrm, so we have:
Disney/Lucafilm are systematically trying to turn Star Wars in to something for SJW Women. They must not have done the market research to see that its white dudes who are most willing to shell out money to go see Star Wars in a theatre. The sad part is I don't think Lucas himself would've done any better, given the atrocities of 1 2 & 3. Perhaps there is no hope at all for the Star Wars we all grew up to love, and it's time to let it die.
The older books covered this, even KJA+his wife's Young Jedi Knights series. Luke constantly tried to bring people back from the Dark Side, and only would kill if they were a clear and present danger to someone in a way he couldn't foil.
IMHO the older EU got the feel right, even when it was campy, far more than the post millenial Lucas/Disney franchises did, with a few later exceptions (Galaxies for instance with it's plethora of non-combat classes before the CU/NGE made it more like WoW and other contemporary games.)
As far as I am concerned the schism started 20 years ago and if copyright didn't last as long as it does, we wouldn't be having this discussion because it would have been forked by those who grow up influenced by the previous culture of it, similiar to TOS trekkies vs NG Trekkies, vs Enterprise Trekkies, vs JJA Trekkies.
Screw those Star Wars fanbois, and their "The Last Jedi should be removed from the canon"... etc etc. I saw Solo last week, parked my brain at the door, and thoroughly enjoyed it. It was fun, funny, and explained something that I remember vividly when I watched A New Hope when I was 8 (in 1977).
Go see it, and enjoy it for what it is.
Force Awakens -> kills off Solo
Last Jedi -> kills off Luke, Ackbar
Disney didn't kill off Leia, but oops, she died anyway. How's that working for ya, Disney?
This movie is going down as one of the most underrated. Rian Johnson hurt it tremendously. As soon as I heard a non-Abrams was directing VIII I predicted volatility and fail.
... [bloviating, etc]'), I felt like, "Oh wow, I don't think I realized how bad the progressives are".
... homosexuals are depicted as having longer/happier marriages when statistics collides spectacularly into that. In this movie you don't see positive depictions of these SJW characters.
...".
The SJWs who made the movie haven't forgotten about ordinary people, and they held back on their deviance to keep their jobs / profits. And their strategic advances in the film were misfires. When L3-37 starts attacking men/white people indiscriminately (e.g. 'get out of my chair you pretentious
Hollywood celebrates the growing number of homosexuals in their movies, but often they're represented in ways that are awful to the point where it is hard to see any qualities in their characters at all. There are exceptions of course
Lando's peculiar label of the month just surfaces as a bunch of buffoonery, like a Frank Oz muppet or something. My inclination watching him was not, "Oh yeah, he's living the good life
Overall the movie contrasts the glorious ideas of the Enlightenment with the shortcomings of actuality and life. There's a lot of reminders about how often success hinges more on absurdity and will than anything else, and how a single hair-brained guy can accomplish more than all the communified misfits of the universe. These themes are much less clear in the prequel trilogy that debases itself into preaching about the Iraq war while shaming/triumphing about perfecting society.
Kind of a shame.
I think "Rogue One" and "Solo" are the best Star Wars movies since "Return of the Jedi."
For context, I saw ROTJ on opening weekend in 1983, at age 16.
I'm not sure it will lose that kind of money, but if it does, I'd say it's their own fault. Seems to be lacking in marketing. I didn't even know the movie had been released to theatres. I didn't even know they were making the film until about a month ago.
The problem with Solo isn't the amount of money it's making in the box office.
The problem is the amount of money it cost to make, re-make with Ron Howard, and then spend on a PR campaign to ensure audiences that the while kerfuffle was really no big deal.
A solo Solo flick was never going to pull huge numbers without Harrison Ford. Especially with a mostly unknown guy replacing Ford, and a story focused on the minutiae of throwaway lines from previous films. If they'd kept the budget reasonable, and made a fun little Space Western, the movie would have probably pulled in similar box office numbers, and been hailed as a success.
I didn't think very highly of neither The Force Awakens nor The Last Jedi. ( They sucked hard imo )
Because of that, I didn't even bother to go see Solo.
These need a decent story behind them and not just flashy CGI. Crap with a Star Wars title is still crap.
Against the SJW bullshit and the lack of any shit given for old fans by refusing to watch anything else and avoid buying the toys for my kids.
I think that's the trick Disney missed. Parents buy toys, not kids.
For example the "preaching" that The Last Jedi had. What was it?
Luke Sywalker: coward, failure. "Saved" by Rey.
Poe: risk taker, mutineer, failure. Saved by Holdo.
Finn: coward, failure. Saved by Rose.
Snoke: Psychopathic tyrant, failure.
Hux: Evil bastard, failure.
Kylo: Trained force user beaten by an untrained one, failure.
Rey: Mary Sue.
Leia: Space Superwoman rising from the dead.
Rose: Nobody turned hero.
Holdo: Saved the rebellion.
See the pattern? All men failures. Any successes they have are because a woman saved them. All women heroes. Not a good political message to send to a fanbase worth billions that are majority male. The result is a damning blow to profits and the value of the franchise.
The force is female? The force is dead, along with profits.
They'll continue doing what they think is right. Eventually you and your co-objectors will die from eating Tide Pods and meth overdoses. Everything will be fine in the end.
It's an SJW site.
I kinda want to ask "How come she's still alive?" but you know ..
/ A to the s.
Incels do a fine job of demonizing themselves, pathetic virgin fat ass cunts.
They'll lose a fucking $150 million on this.
They'll continue doing what they think is profitable...
FTFY.
It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
Slave One was pretty terrible too.
The moment they decided to question Solo's sexuality and make that a thing, they lost me as a fan
But it wasn't particularly GOOD.
I'm sure Ron Howard saved what he could.
Nobody goes to movies to have identity politics shoved down their throats, and this is the result of a policy of shoving identity politics into the faces of a populace that is already over saturated.
Keep punching down to make yourself feel better.
If they hadn't wasted a bunch of money by firing the original directors and essentially making the movie twice, it would have been a $150 million movie instead of a $250 million dollar movie. At that cost level it would have merely been a break-even disappointment rather than a big money loser.
The fans concerns and complaints after The Last Jedi was met with derision by Kennedy and her crew, who dismissed the long time fans in favor of what they believed was a brave new world of political activism, that even though set in a Universe far far away, and long long ago, this universe emulates far left Social Justice warrior identity politics of the US and GB today. Weird. So fans en masse neglected to go.
Soylo even had a few tricks up it's sleeves such as a droid with a sexual identity, social Justice warrior mindset, and with a terrible attitude. This character was so annoying that apparently audiences cheered when it was destroyed.
Then in a creepshow to end all creep shows, one of the Writers smugly bragged that one of the Characters, Lando was pansexual. https://www.usatoday.com/story...
Let that sink in a moment. A Star Wars Character that enjoys dipping his wick in little boys, little girls, dead people, Car exhausts, cows, sheeps, dogs, chickens.
Now I'm pretty liberal about this wick dipping business, but I'm old fashioned enough that I kinda think that humans should stick with other humans, and of an age where consent can be given. Just sayin'.
The problem you see, is that Social Justice Warriors are happy to complain about Start Wars - and everthing else it would appear - but if they even go to the movies, they don't do what has made LucasFilms and the Star Wars Franchise a mint in the past. And they don't buy the promotional items. Old School Star Wars fans, male and female, go to the movies often several times. They buy the promotional paraphernalia. They write the fanfics.
And what they do not want is 21st century far left identity politics. Star Wars is a couple hour escape from reality, not a couple hours of virtue signaling and destruction of the canon narrative. So they stayed away. All around the world.
Meanwhile,the people who made it flop apparently believe that the reason it flopped was because audiences are tired of White male characters. Apparently both racism and sexism is the new rule.
It's their money. But smart people trying to sell things should make things others want to buy. If Disney wants to make a movie called Queen of the Femniverse, shouwing white men being skewered and flayed alive, and women cheering and screaming in pleasure at the sight - well they can. It probably won't work. But its their money.
But it takes a willful act of stupidity to destroy a golden goose franchise in order to get rid of it's core audience.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Shoes?
Pretty sure that was supposed to be assholes by Samsung, Android and dictionaries (and small stupid touch keyboards) work in mysterious ways.
How can they possibly know how a cult film will perform in the future? There's every probability that it WILL do well down the line. I mean, seriously, do you really think *any* Star Wars fan is not going to bother seeing it after having seen all of the others? Even if it sucked? I think it is more likely that they're pulling these figures out of a hat (but with all the attendant paperwork to make it look as though it was thoroughly researched) in order to get a mucky big tax write off. Disney is a huge operation, after all, and certainly could use an eighty million loss on the books to lower their tax status! At least I think so...
Economic bust - doesn't surprise me.
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