The initial account was given by Deputy Chief of Field Operations Ed Tomba, before the video emerged:[20] Police said that Rice was seated at a table with other people. The video showed that Rice was alone.[42] Police said that as they pulled up, they saw Rice grab the toy gun and put it in his waistband. This is not supported by the video.[43] Judge Adrine said the video does not show the toy gun in Rice's hands in the moments immediately before as the zone car approaches.[8] Police said they got out of the car and told Rice three times to put his hands up but he refused. The video shows Rice being shot almost immediately after Loehmann exits the vehicle.[24][44] Police said that Rice then reached into his waistband and pulled out the toy gun, and was then shot and killed by Officer Timothy Loehmann. The video shows that Rice did not pull out the toy gun.[44] In the video, Rice is using both hands to hold his shirt up and expose the pellet gun to view just before he falls to the ground. Police described the toy gun as looking real and later explained that the neon tip of the toy gun was missing.[9] However the police never saw Rice brandish or point the pistol at them to determine if the orange cap was actually missing or not.[9]
John Crawford III? (BB gun)
The shooting was captured by the store's security video camera.[12] Crawford was talking on his cell-phone while holding the BB/pellet air rifle, when he was killed.[13] According to Crawford's mother, the video shows the officers fired immediately without giving any verbal commands and without giving Crawford any time to drop the toy even if he had heard them. [14]
Walter Folds? (he had a box cutter, not a BB gun) Christopher Roupe? (may have had a toy gun) Antonio Lopez-Guzman? (armed with a saw)
You are very correct about the dynamic not being there between the three of them in STC. Bringing in a counselor kind of gets rid of the point of McCoy as that was who Kirk went to for emotional support. Now he's just a buddy that shows up from time to time. The relationships are all rather mechanical.
That being said, I really enjoyed "Pilgrim of Eternity." The plot for this episode being based on an original episode using the same actor really worked well. It felt very genuine and gave me great hope. Sadly, the following episodes have not been as quality as the first. I think they had a great concept, but they didn't have a fleshed out story arc.
Price is simply the mathematical expression of value. The chargers are not free, neither is the electricity. Someone else is paying for it and your solution is for them to pay more to increase supply rather than charge and let the demand be determined by a true market. Or is the tragedy of the commons a paradise for you because in the commons everything has value, but no price?
Yes, Dr. McKennah needs to be shoved out an airlock... She is such a bad actress. Grant (Sulu) isn't a great actor either, but at least he knows how to handle a camera in his face. Michele Specht overacts so hard, I don't know why she is there except that she is probably in a relationship off screen with Vic.
Seriously? You must be too taken with that eye candy to notice how over-expressive her face is, how robotic her lines are, and how unnatural she acts. She looks to me like someone in acting school who thinks they have to overact everything to get the point across. She is the most distracting thing on the show in my opinion because her horrendous acting takes me out of the fantasy and tells me it's just her on the stage talking to a camera.
So you want police to use less effective tactic to even out the statistics?
No, I want the police to only use deadly force as a last resort.
In 2012 that I linked yes, the number killed by accidents was lower than direct assaults. However, check some other years. For example 2013 where it's 40 accidental deaths out of 119 deaths total and 38 of them due to targeted violence (or 39 if you include a bomb).
My point is still that targeted violence is not the majority of deaths of police officers. Every police officer killed in the line of duty is a tragedy, but quite frankly it's not as big of a risk as the news makes it out to be. Surely one would expect that the police doing their job would expose them to a higher risk of violence just as one would expect firefighters to have a greater risk of dying due to fire. For reference, the general working population has a rate of fatal work injuries of 3.3 fatalities per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers. Of that 9% is due to homicides (robbers being the highest category of perpetrator). http://stats.bls.gov/iif/oshwc...
Also, the risk of being murdered on the job may be ever present for police, but they aren't actually the profession with the most intentional shooting deaths: http://stats.bls.gov/iif/oshwc... According to this total police officer intentional shooting deaths in 2014 was 39. First-line supervisors of retail sales workers totaled 41.
I guess you don't have a family. Most cops want to do their jobs and get home to their families.
I do have a wife (no kids yet). Most people in general want to do their jobs and get home to their families. However some people choose jobs that ask them to risk their own safety for the benefit of society. The police are not alone in that regard. I'm sure most members of the military would prefer to not be asked to do peacekeeping missions in countries overseas, but they do it anyway out of a sense of duty and commitment. I don't see how police are any different except the people they are protecting are in their own community.
As for myself, I accept a certain amount of risk in the course of doing my job. And if there is ever a situation where I might be able to risk my life to save someone else's I like to think that I would take that risk. Of course you never really know how strong your character is until the situation arises. I can t say for sure what character the officer who stepped out of a still moving car and shot a 12 year old with no verbal warning had... Probably doesn't say much that the first two officers on the scene didn't provide any first aid.
And it's not just 2014 (a particularly bad year for police misconduct resulting in the death of an unarmed suspect). Feel free to look through the past few years and also note that firearms are never more than around 1/3 of police officer fatalities. Police have an irrational fear and you can tell if you've ever been pulled over. You get this feeling that you must comply with even an unlawful order or risk physical harm. Shit, I feel that way and I'm a white dude.
You are very much correct. And the sad part is, this fear is unjustified. Police officers are more likely to die from causes other than gunfire... And even more damning is that the number of officers killed by gunfire continues to decrease over time. Yet we still see numerous stories of police actions that result in unarmed people being killed.
Cops have this crazy idea that they are likely to be killed by an aggressive criminal. This is not backed by evidence. In 2012 there were 133 officer fatalities. That includes all workplace fatalities. Assuming the best case scenario that all 48 gunfire, 1 assault, 5 stabbing and 11 vehicular assaults were caused by criminals intentionally targeting police officers with deadly force that's 65 total for the whole year. Meanwhile there were 602 deaths of suspects due to police. You are looking at a 602:65 civilian to police killing ratio. Yeah, almost 10 to 1. If many of those 602 used life-threatening resistance, they weren't nearly as effective as the police in using deadly force. Remind me again why cops feel so threatened that they feel the need to shoot first when they are more likely to die from accidents than targeted violence? Me personally, I'd rather take a bullet and die from it than shoot a 12 year old over my own fear. Especially if it was my job to protect innocent lives.
Is military training also effective enough if we accidentally bomb only one hospital per war? Your acceptable failure rate is apparently a much easier standard than mine. Also, for your 602 suspects killed by police in 2012, there were 133 officer fatalities. That includes all workplace fatalities. Assuming the best case scenario that all 48 gunfire, 1 assault, 5 stabbing and 11 vehicular assaults were caused by criminals intentionally targeting police officers with deadly force, you are looking at a 602:65 civilian to police killing ratio. Yeah, almost 10 to 1. If many of those 602 used life-threatening resistance, they weren't nearly as effective as the police in using deadly force. Remind me again why cops feel so threatened that they feel the need to shoot first when they are more likely to die from accidents than targeted violence?
This is not refuting his claim at all. He is saying that a 3rd party can develop, but only at the expense of one of the existing parties. Eventually, FPTP always re-establishes an equilibrium of 2 parties. 5 years of transition is not evidence of being able to support a 3rd party. If you have long term (multiple election cycles) showing sustained greater than 2 party FPTP elections, please provide that evidence.
They are also routinely pulling over people who are endangering no one by rolling through stop signs in empty neighborhoods and driving slightly over arbitrary speed limits that don't reflect conditions. The police need to choose if they only want to interact with violent people or they want to assume people are innocent and peaceful. They can't interact with everyone and treat them all like potentially violent criminals. That's what they are doing now and the source of the problem.
The training obviously isn't very effective for the circumstances they encounter... The fire department probably doesn't get training on how to blow out a fire despite it being effective in limited circumstances.
I don't care what the state laws are. Nowhere can you drive a car on to the grass (already illegal for a civilian), pull a gun on a 12 year old, and fire first. If you believe any non-cop tried for this crime wouldn't be crucified in court, you are smoking some good shit.
You say that would be uncool, but people are dicks. Even to people they know and work with. My car got hit in the work parking lot and they didn't report it or leave a note. People's food gets stolen all the time at workplaces across the country. The charger locks are a good thing and should have been included from the get go on every electric car.
"Rich" is a relative term. You have to at least be solidly middle class to even consider an electric car. They are significantly more expensive than gasoline cars at the low end of the market and for the vast majority of cases are also at least a 2nd vehicle as most people will either need to have another car or rent one whenever they want to take a longer trip. Additionally, you generally need to get a charger for your home which means either you own it and can afford to install one or you rent a nice enough place to have things like electric vehicle charging stations. Tax incentives make them more affordable, but you don't see a whole bunch of electric cars in poor areas... They are very common in wealthier neighborhoods.
Fights only break out at gas stations when there is government mandated price freezing. When you don't allow the market to set the price, people get angry. Then again, people get angry when the market does set the price as well... Fuckers are indeed fuckers and people bitch about everything.
The use of ethanol as a fuel has decreased the availability of food far more than any effects of global warming. I haven't seen my insurance rates go up due to global warming either.
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Love most certainly does have a price. As does the lack of love. Just because you can't assign it a specific number doesn't make it priceless.
Putting prices on things sure coincides with the improvement of the world and the lives of people. But I guess it isn't necessarily causation...
Which BB gun incident are we talking about?
Tamir Rice? (toy gun)
The initial account was given by Deputy Chief of Field Operations Ed Tomba, before the video emerged:[20]
Police said that Rice was seated at a table with other people. The video showed that Rice was alone.[42]
Police said that as they pulled up, they saw Rice grab the toy gun and put it in his waistband. This is not supported by the video.[43] Judge Adrine said the video does not show the toy gun in Rice's hands in the moments immediately before as the zone car approaches.[8]
Police said they got out of the car and told Rice three times to put his hands up but he refused. The video shows Rice being shot almost immediately after Loehmann exits the vehicle.[24][44]
Police said that Rice then reached into his waistband and pulled out the toy gun, and was then shot and killed by Officer Timothy Loehmann. The video shows that Rice did not pull out the toy gun.[44] In the video, Rice is using both hands to hold his shirt up and expose the pellet gun to view just before he falls to the ground.
Police described the toy gun as looking real and later explained that the neon tip of the toy gun was missing.[9] However the police never saw Rice brandish or point the pistol at them to determine if the orange cap was actually missing or not.[9]
John Crawford III? (BB gun)
The shooting was captured by the store's security video camera.[12] Crawford was talking on his cell-phone while holding the BB/pellet air rifle, when he was killed.[13] According to Crawford's mother, the video shows the officers fired immediately without giving any verbal commands and without giving Crawford any time to drop the toy even if he had heard them. [14]
Walter Folds? (he had a box cutter, not a BB gun)
Christopher Roupe? (may have had a toy gun)
Antonio Lopez-Guzman? (armed with a saw)
Please specify which of these you are referencing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Clemson is in South Carolina... They don't get snow often, but the houses are well insulated to save on cooling costs for sure.
You are very correct about the dynamic not being there between the three of them in STC. Bringing in a counselor kind of gets rid of the point of McCoy as that was who Kirk went to for emotional support. Now he's just a buddy that shows up from time to time. The relationships are all rather mechanical.
That being said, I really enjoyed "Pilgrim of Eternity." The plot for this episode being based on an original episode using the same actor really worked well. It felt very genuine and gave me great hope. Sadly, the following episodes have not been as quality as the first. I think they had a great concept, but they didn't have a fleshed out story arc.
Price is simply the mathematical expression of value. The chargers are not free, neither is the electricity. Someone else is paying for it and your solution is for them to pay more to increase supply rather than charge and let the demand be determined by a true market. Or is the tragedy of the commons a paradise for you because in the commons everything has value, but no price?
Yes, Dr. McKennah needs to be shoved out an airlock... She is such a bad actress. Grant (Sulu) isn't a great actor either, but at least he knows how to handle a camera in his face. Michele Specht overacts so hard, I don't know why she is there except that she is probably in a relationship off screen with Vic.
Michele Specht is a good actress
Seriously? You must be too taken with that eye candy to notice how over-expressive her face is, how robotic her lines are, and how unnatural she acts. She looks to me like someone in acting school who thinks they have to overact everything to get the point across. She is the most distracting thing on the show in my opinion because her horrendous acting takes me out of the fantasy and tells me it's just her on the stage talking to a camera.
So you want police to use less effective tactic to even out the statistics?
No, I want the police to only use deadly force as a last resort.
In 2012 that I linked yes, the number killed by accidents was lower than direct assaults. However, check some other years. For example 2013 where it's 40 accidental deaths out of 119 deaths total and 38 of them due to targeted violence (or 39 if you include a bomb).
My point is still that targeted violence is not the majority of deaths of police officers. Every police officer killed in the line of duty is a tragedy, but quite frankly it's not as big of a risk as the news makes it out to be. Surely one would expect that the police doing their job would expose them to a higher risk of violence just as one would expect firefighters to have a greater risk of dying due to fire. For reference, the general working population has a rate of fatal work injuries of 3.3 fatalities per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers. Of that 9% is due to homicides (robbers being the highest category of perpetrator).
http://stats.bls.gov/iif/oshwc...
Also, the risk of being murdered on the job may be ever present for police, but they aren't actually the profession with the most intentional shooting deaths:
http://stats.bls.gov/iif/oshwc...
According to this total police officer intentional shooting deaths in 2014 was 39. First-line supervisors of retail sales workers totaled 41.
I guess you don't have a family. Most cops want to do their jobs and get home to their families.
I do have a wife (no kids yet). Most people in general want to do their jobs and get home to their families. However some people choose jobs that ask them to risk their own safety for the benefit of society. The police are not alone in that regard. I'm sure most members of the military would prefer to not be asked to do peacekeeping missions in countries overseas, but they do it anyway out of a sense of duty and commitment. I don't see how police are any different except the people they are protecting are in their own community.
As for myself, I accept a certain amount of risk in the course of doing my job. And if there is ever a situation where I might be able to risk my life to save someone else's I like to think that I would take that risk. Of course you never really know how strong your character is until the situation arises. I can
t say for sure what character the officer who stepped out of a still moving car and shot a 12 year old with no verbal warning had... Probably doesn't say much that the first two officers on the scene didn't provide any first aid.
From your citation of 133 officers killed in 2014 47 were killed by gunfire. That is 42% of the total and the single largest cause of death.
Thanks for reiterating than 42% is less than half.
Perhaps that is due to the offenders not getting a chance to shoot first?
Shoot first, ask questions later.
If you are unarmed then follow police orders and don't act like you are armed.
That's victim blaming and also assuming you even have the time needed to act in any way before the cops start shooting.
Alas, a lot of them that are killed on the job are killed while assuming that the person they're approaching isn't going to be violent.
Statistics show that while "a lot of" is hard to define, it isn't the majority of cases. https://www.odmp.org/search/ye...
And it's not just 2014 (a particularly bad year for police misconduct resulting in the death of an unarmed suspect). Feel free to look through the past few years and also note that firearms are never more than around 1/3 of police officer fatalities. Police have an irrational fear and you can tell if you've ever been pulled over. You get this feeling that you must comply with even an unlawful order or risk physical harm. Shit, I feel that way and I'm a white dude.
How many of the 65 were justified vs errors? 100% must be a fantasy...
You are very much correct. And the sad part is, this fear is unjustified. Police officers are more likely to die from causes other than gunfire... And even more damning is that the number of officers killed by gunfire continues to decrease over time. Yet we still see numerous stories of police actions that result in unarmed people being killed.
https://www.odmp.org/search/ye...
Cops have this crazy idea that they are likely to be killed by an aggressive criminal. This is not backed by evidence. In 2012 there were 133 officer fatalities. That includes all workplace fatalities. Assuming the best case scenario that all 48 gunfire, 1 assault, 5 stabbing and 11 vehicular assaults were caused by criminals intentionally targeting police officers with deadly force that's 65 total for the whole year. Meanwhile there were 602 deaths of suspects due to police. You are looking at a 602:65 civilian to police killing ratio. Yeah, almost 10 to 1. If many of those 602 used life-threatening resistance, they weren't nearly as effective as the police in using deadly force. Remind me again why cops feel so threatened that they feel the need to shoot first when they are more likely to die from accidents than targeted violence? Me personally, I'd rather take a bullet and die from it than shoot a 12 year old over my own fear. Especially if it was my job to protect innocent lives.
https://www.odmp.org/search/ye...
Is military training also effective enough if we accidentally bomb only one hospital per war? Your acceptable failure rate is apparently a much easier standard than mine. Also, for your 602 suspects killed by police in 2012, there were 133 officer fatalities. That includes all workplace fatalities. Assuming the best case scenario that all 48 gunfire, 1 assault, 5 stabbing and 11 vehicular assaults were caused by criminals intentionally targeting police officers with deadly force, you are looking at a 602:65 civilian to police killing ratio. Yeah, almost 10 to 1. If many of those 602 used life-threatening resistance, they weren't nearly as effective as the police in using deadly force. Remind me again why cops feel so threatened that they feel the need to shoot first when they are more likely to die from accidents than targeted violence?
https://www.odmp.org/search/ye...
This is not refuting his claim at all. He is saying that a 3rd party can develop, but only at the expense of one of the existing parties. Eventually, FPTP always re-establishes an equilibrium of 2 parties. 5 years of transition is not evidence of being able to support a 3rd party. If you have long term (multiple election cycles) showing sustained greater than 2 party FPTP elections, please provide that evidence.
They are also routinely pulling over people who are endangering no one by rolling through stop signs in empty neighborhoods and driving slightly over arbitrary speed limits that don't reflect conditions. The police need to choose if they only want to interact with violent people or they want to assume people are innocent and peaceful. They can't interact with everyone and treat them all like potentially violent criminals. That's what they are doing now and the source of the problem.
The training obviously isn't very effective for the circumstances they encounter... The fire department probably doesn't get training on how to blow out a fire despite it being effective in limited circumstances.
I don't care what the state laws are. Nowhere can you drive a car on to the grass (already illegal for a civilian), pull a gun on a 12 year old, and fire first. If you believe any non-cop tried for this crime wouldn't be crucified in court, you are smoking some good shit.
You say that would be uncool, but people are dicks. Even to people they know and work with. My car got hit in the work parking lot and they didn't report it or leave a note. People's food gets stolen all the time at workplaces across the country. The charger locks are a good thing and should have been included from the get go on every electric car.
"Rich" is a relative term. You have to at least be solidly middle class to even consider an electric car. They are significantly more expensive than gasoline cars at the low end of the market and for the vast majority of cases are also at least a 2nd vehicle as most people will either need to have another car or rent one whenever they want to take a longer trip. Additionally, you generally need to get a charger for your home which means either you own it and can afford to install one or you rent a nice enough place to have things like electric vehicle charging stations. Tax incentives make them more affordable, but you don't see a whole bunch of electric cars in poor areas... They are very common in wealthier neighborhoods.
Fights only break out at gas stations when there is government mandated price freezing. When you don't allow the market to set the price, people get angry. Then again, people get angry when the market does set the price as well... Fuckers are indeed fuckers and people bitch about everything.
If you charge for parking, the market will provide more parking spots with chargers... Who is paying for the new chargers in your mind?
The use of ethanol as a fuel has decreased the availability of food far more than any effects of global warming. I haven't seen my insurance rates go up due to global warming either.
Or another alternate headline: "Rich people fight over free lunches"
Only when tax dollars are paying a big chunk of it...