More technology. Let us dig up the whole world until there are no metals or silicion left. Not a patch of ground undug. Let us destroy the environment we live in till the point of no turning back! Yes we can save lives through the expedition of technological society where everything is so complex it takes an army to understand how to make the machines we operate! Fucking technocrats.
You should not quote Ghandi that man was an asshole. One of the asshole things he did is tell the Indians in South Africa not to support the negroes fighting apartheid and he colluded with the White South African elite in the name of "nonviolence".
>>You:"For some reason Japan isn't all that keen on nuclear weapons."
I am assuming you were refering to Japan the country when you said Japan and not the people of Japan. The elites in Japan have resented their not having nukes(part of the reason they have so many plutonium nuclear plants) and small defence budget for a while now. This is not a new occurence, get with the times.
Gnome started for one reason and one reason only: RMS didn't agree with the KDE developers' interpretation of the GPL wrt the QT library. Gnome was set up with the intention of creating FUD to delay the uptake of the best thing to ever happen to desktop Linux and to bluff and bully the KDE crowd into getting the QT licencing changed.
Yes, you heard it right, Gnome was *deliberately* started to be "bickering, competing and incompatible" and to stop Linux having a single desktop standard if that standard was to be KDE.
The licence issue is *long* in the past. That out of the way, the Gnome crowd should have had to decency to either scrap Gnome completely (as did those working on the Harmony project, which was developing a GPL QT clone) so we could unite behind KDE or keep Gnome going as a low key longer-term hacker R&D project like Enlightenment. But no, we had to keep the ball rolling didn't we.
Why, given the adverse impact this has had on Linux and other target platforms?
NIH syndrome partly; a lot of big egos (many in the US) were beaten to the punch by a bunch of (mainly) German students.
And the fact that it relies on an existing library means that big egos who want to reinvent the universe can't develop their own object library; they have to do something useful.
But the main reason, irony of ironies, is that it is LGPL rather than KDE's GPL; yes folks, the desktop that began as *THE* GNU free desktop now boasts that it is more commercial-friendly. That's why Sun and HP are putting money into it. Guarantees success? Ah, look at CDE...
Gnome is an expensive, deliberately divisive vapourware project that should have been scrapped after the QT licence changes if the principals involved had any sense of decency or any *REAL* committment to free software. It continues because a bunch of pricks can't admit that they were wrong and continue to put their own giant egos ahead of the development of desktop Unix.
Meanwhile KDE continues to release in its usual methodical fashion while Gnome 2 stays as FUD. ("You may think KDE's kewl, but wait till you see Gnome 2!") Pardon me while I puke...
Gnome and the bastards who've hyped this piece of vapourware and tried to sabotage KDE for the last five years can go to Hell! Who needs Microsoft trying to pull the rug from under the free Unix's when you've got this lot! (Yes, that includes RMS, who is responsible for initiating and encouraging this debacle).
To paraphrase the end of RMS's infamous letter of "forgiveness" to the KDE developers: Go KDE!!!
You idiot American. The U.S. before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, was engaging German subs in the Atlantic. So much for the myth of American neutrality! They were always on the side of the Allied caused. Neutral my arse. They were fair game. The tragedy of World War II is that not enough of you noxious 'mericans died!
No you idiot. Japan was a poor backward nation until the 70s and 80s where they had huge economic growth. Must have been a long 20+ year post war period. Dult.
Don't Regard Politician's Clamor as Ravings, How Far Japan Is Away From Nuke
Politician's Frequent Clamor to Wave Nuclear Big Stick
The Japan Times gives thorough disclosure of the background against which Ozawa made the remarks. Ozawa brazenly attacked China at a seminar held in Fukuoka on April 6: "In the event of China's excessive expansion, Japan would make nuclear weapons to 'curb' China; the plutonium of Japan's nuclear power plant can fully turn out more than 4,000 nuclear warheads, we'll not lose to China in terms of military strength!"
Ozawa is not the first Japanese politician who clamors to wave the nuclear big stick: On June 17, 1994, the then Japanese Prime Minister Hata Tsutomu openly told reporters: "Japan does have the ability to possess nuclear weapons." In March 1995, well-known Japanese magazine, Hoseki Gem, revealed that while accepting the interview by the magazine's correspondent, a senior Japanese government official said: "Japan can produce atom bomb within 183 days!" In July 2001, Japan set up a special nuclear detachment in the National Self-defense Corps on the pretext of protecting nuclear safety.
This means Japanese politician is telling the truth.
Japan's Promise to Abide by "Nuclear-related Three-No Principles"
After War World II, Japan's Constitution forbids Japan to possess nuclear weapons,
beginning in 1956 the Japanese government declared that it would abide by the "nuclear- related three-no principles", i.e., forbidding Japan to possess nuclear weapons, to produce nuclear weapons and to introduce any nuclear weapons. On November 24, 1971, Japanese Diet formally included the "nuclear-related three-no principles" into the law; in 1976 the Japanese government signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty and made further promise: it will "not develop, not use, and not allow the transfer of nuclear weapons in its territory."
How Far Japan Is Away From Nuke
To know how far Japan is away from nuclear weapon, it is necessary first to make an
examination of its nuclear capability: First of all, Japan possesses advanced, comprehensive nuclear technology. Although Japan currently still lacks nuclear weapons, it has the world's first-rate nuclear energy technology and 49 nuclear power stations with an annual power output of about 40,000 megawatt, ranking in the frontline of the world. Japan also possesses multiplication reactor technology that has all along been the key and difficult points in nuclear technology research. Secondly, Japan possesses super-strong computer simulation nuclear blasting capability. Thirdly, Japan is actively exploring new technology for obtaining nuclear raw materials. Fourthly, Japan possesses extremely high-level nuclear warhead-carrying technology. Fifthly, Japan stores astonishing nuclear raw materials. By the year 2010, Japan's gross plutonium reserves will reach 100 tons, thus making it the world's number 1 country with the largest plutonium storage. After deducting normal nuclear reactor consumption, it still has a surplus of over 60 tons. One ton plutonium can make 120 nuclear warheads, it is self-evident how many nuclear warheads these plutonium can make.
Although Japan has signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, its attitude, however,
arouses suspicion. As early as 1967 period when discussion began on "nuclear non- proliferation", Japan was astonishingly passive. It strongly opposed the "nuclear non- proliferation" treaty for it maintain that the treaty did not stipulate the obligation of nuclear countries to cut down nuclear weapons, and only prohibited non-nuclear countries from developing nuclear weapons.
After the conclusion of the Cold War, the world pattern clearly tended to become multi- polarized, Japan's role in Asia, particularly East Asia, further improved. From the long-term point of view, the possibility of Japan's pursuit of independent defense capability is on the rise. Japan "will not count on permanent US mild nuclear protection policy", even if the United States was willing to provide such protection, Japan's national interest could not invariably be identical with that of the United States, "Japan will ultimately be independently responsible for its own security". This has enormously increased the possibility of Japan's development of nuclear weapons. Given this situation, don't regard Ozawa's threatening remarks as merely foolish talks.
China has condemned remarks by Japanese Liberal Party leader Ichiro Ozawa on Japan's nuclear weapons potential as irresponsible.
Chinese Foreign spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue Monday said that the remarks ran opposite to the wishes of both Chinese and Japanese peoples.
She made the statement in response to a question on Ozawa's remark last Saturday that Japan could easily develop nuclear weapons and would not lose militarily as China was increasing military spending.
Zhang said that Ozawa's words were provocative, representing an outdated cold war mentality just as the two countries were celebrating the 30th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations,
His remarks contradicted hopes for peace and long-term friendship between the two countries and peoples, she added.
Japanese Politician Claimed Japan Could Make Massive Nuclear Weapons to Curb China
Japanese Liberal Party President Ichiro Ozawa claimed that Japan could make a large number of nuclear weapons "overnight" to curb China's "excessive expansion".
Japanese media said that Ichiro Ozawa's remarks would evoke a strong response from China and other Asian countries against any moves of Japanese militarism.
According to reports, Ichiro Ozawa Saturday said: "it is easy to make nuclear warheads for Japan, our nuclear power plants have enough plutonium which is enough to make 3000 to 4000 nuclear warheads, Japan can produce thousands of nuclear warheads overnight".
Nuclear weapons are the most sensitive issue in Japan, Japanese people are strongly against it. Since the nuclear accident in Ibaraki Prefecture in 1999, the most serious nuclear leakage accident, Japanese citizens have lost confidence about nuclear industry, they asked governments to reduce or stop nuclear power plant construction.
Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said lately with visiting Chinese top legislator Li Peng that Chinese development is not only conducive to Japan, but also other countries. He does not agree with the view that "China's rapid development would pose threat to Japan".
The Japanese people would be against this. The Japanese politicians are all nationalist chauvinists, though and will eventually try to rearm or pursue nuclear weapons programs in secret.
JabberWokky clearly does not know what he is talking about.
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Surely man cannot live after he maimes mortally nature? Man does live in nature, though he would like to ignore this facet of his existence.
Why do we need research? To make modern life evenmore artificially complex? It is complex enough.
More technology. Let us dig up the whole world until there are no metals or silicion left. Not a patch of ground undug. Let us destroy the environment we live in till the point of no turning back! Yes we can save lives through the expedition of technological society where everything is so complex it takes an army to understand how to make the machines we operate! Fucking technocrats.
Thanks for the filling us in on that inside information.
Mod up!
It cost 60 billion to attack Iraq in 1990. So attacking all of the European Union should only cost 1 trillion!
The whole sand nigger thing has outgrown its usefulness.
Tom Clancy = idiot
You should not quote Ghandi that man was an asshole. One of the asshole things he did is tell the Indians in South Africa not to support the negroes fighting apartheid and he colluded with the White South African elite in the name of "nonviolence".
>>You:"For some reason Japan isn't all that keen on nuclear weapons."
I am assuming you were refering to Japan the country when you said Japan and not the people of Japan. The elites in Japan have resented their not having nukes(part of the reason they have so many plutonium nuclear plants) and small defence budget for a while now. This is not a new occurence, get with the times.
Cold war is over everywhere. USSR dead. America won. Twit.
Gnome started for one reason and one reason only: RMS didn't agree with the KDE developers' interpretation of the GPL wrt the QT library. Gnome was set up with the intention of creating FUD to delay the uptake of the best thing to ever happen to desktop Linux and to bluff and bully the KDE crowd into getting the QT licencing changed.
Yes, you heard it right, Gnome was *deliberately* started to be "bickering, competing and incompatible" and to stop Linux having a single desktop standard if that standard was to be KDE.
The licence issue is *long* in the past. That out of the way, the Gnome crowd should have had to decency to either scrap Gnome completely (as did those working on the Harmony project, which was developing a GPL QT clone) so we could unite behind KDE or keep Gnome going as a low key longer-term hacker R&D project like Enlightenment. But no, we had to keep the ball rolling didn't we.
Why, given the adverse impact this has had on Linux and other target platforms?
NIH syndrome partly; a lot of big egos (many in the US) were beaten to the punch by a bunch of (mainly) German students.
And the fact that it relies on an existing library means that big egos who want to reinvent the universe can't develop their own object library; they have to do something useful.
But the main reason, irony of ironies, is that it is LGPL rather than KDE's GPL; yes folks, the desktop that began as *THE* GNU free desktop now boasts that it is more commercial-friendly. That's why Sun and HP are putting money into it. Guarantees success? Ah, look at CDE...
Gnome is an expensive, deliberately divisive vapourware project that should have been scrapped after the QT licence changes if the principals involved had any sense of decency or any *REAL* committment to free software. It continues because a bunch of pricks can't admit that they were wrong and continue to put their own giant egos ahead of the development of desktop Unix.
Meanwhile KDE continues to release in its usual methodical fashion while Gnome 2 stays as FUD. ("You may think KDE's kewl, but wait till you see Gnome 2!") Pardon me while I puke...
Gnome and the bastards who've hyped this piece of vapourware and tried to sabotage KDE for the last five years can go to Hell! Who needs Microsoft trying to pull the rug from under the free Unix's when you've got this lot! (Yes, that includes RMS, who is responsible for initiating and encouraging this debacle).
To paraphrase the end of RMS's infamous letter of "forgiveness" to the KDE developers: Go KDE!!!
Try the wayback machine.
Well then it would not be an acronym, and would not need the capitalization of every letter.
You idiot American. The U.S. before Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, was engaging German subs in the Atlantic. So much for the myth of American neutrality! They were always on the side of the Allied caused. Neutral my arse. They were fair game. The tragedy of World War II is that not enough of you noxious 'mericans died!
No you idiot. Japan was a poor backward nation until the 70s and 80s where they had huge economic growth. Must have been a long 20+ year post war period. Dult.
You must mean TWW(The Whole World) and not TWO.
What is TWO?
Wow if we wanted to hear such propaganda we would be reading the New York Times! You moralistic idiotic. No government has any morals!
The cold war is over you fucking idiot. Welcome to 2002!
No you Dult Lundren. You should be happy when there are no more nukes.
Don't Regard Politician's Clamor as Ravings, How Far Japan Is Away From Nuke
Politician's Frequent Clamor to Wave Nuclear Big Stick
The Japan Times gives thorough disclosure of the background against which Ozawa made the remarks. Ozawa brazenly attacked China at a seminar held in Fukuoka on April 6: "In the event of China's excessive expansion, Japan would make nuclear weapons to 'curb' China; the plutonium of Japan's nuclear power plant can fully turn out more than 4,000 nuclear warheads, we'll not lose to China in terms of military strength!"
Ozawa is not the first Japanese politician who clamors to wave the nuclear big stick: On June 17, 1994, the then Japanese Prime Minister Hata Tsutomu openly told reporters: "Japan does have the ability to possess nuclear weapons." In March 1995, well-known Japanese magazine, Hoseki Gem, revealed that while accepting the interview by the magazine's correspondent, a senior Japanese government official said: "Japan can produce atom bomb within 183 days!" In July 2001, Japan set up a special nuclear detachment in the National Self-defense Corps on the pretext of protecting nuclear safety.
This means Japanese politician is telling the truth.
Japan's Promise to Abide by "Nuclear-related Three-No Principles"
After War World II, Japan's Constitution forbids Japan to possess nuclear weapons,
beginning in 1956 the Japanese government declared that it would abide by the "nuclear- related three-no principles", i.e., forbidding Japan to possess nuclear weapons, to produce nuclear weapons and to introduce any nuclear weapons. On November 24, 1971, Japanese Diet formally included the "nuclear-related three-no principles" into the law; in 1976 the Japanese government signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty and made further promise: it will "not develop, not use, and not allow the transfer of nuclear weapons in its territory."
How Far Japan Is Away From Nuke
To know how far Japan is away from nuclear weapon, it is necessary first to make an
examination of its nuclear capability: First of all, Japan possesses advanced, comprehensive nuclear technology. Although Japan currently still lacks nuclear weapons, it has the world's first-rate nuclear energy technology and 49 nuclear power stations with an annual power output of about 40,000 megawatt, ranking in the frontline of the world. Japan also possesses multiplication reactor technology that has all along been the key and difficult points in nuclear technology research. Secondly, Japan possesses super-strong computer simulation nuclear blasting capability. Thirdly, Japan is actively exploring new technology for obtaining nuclear raw materials. Fourthly, Japan possesses extremely high-level nuclear warhead-carrying technology. Fifthly, Japan stores astonishing nuclear raw materials. By the year 2010, Japan's gross plutonium reserves will reach 100 tons, thus making it the world's number 1 country with the largest plutonium storage. After deducting normal nuclear reactor consumption, it still has a surplus of over 60 tons. One ton plutonium can make 120 nuclear warheads, it is self-evident how many nuclear warheads these plutonium can make.
Japan's Nuclear Policy Becomes Increasingly Disturbing
Although Japan has signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty, its attitude, however,
arouses suspicion. As early as 1967 period when discussion began on "nuclear non- proliferation", Japan was astonishingly passive. It strongly opposed the "nuclear non- proliferation" treaty for it maintain that the treaty did not stipulate the obligation of nuclear countries to cut down nuclear weapons, and only prohibited non-nuclear countries from developing nuclear weapons.
After the conclusion of the Cold War, the world pattern clearly tended to become multi- polarized, Japan's role in Asia, particularly East Asia, further improved. From the long-term point of view, the possibility of Japan's pursuit of independent defense capability is on the rise. Japan "will not count on permanent US mild nuclear protection policy", even if the United States was willing to provide such protection, Japan's national interest could not invariably be identical with that of the United States, "Japan will ultimately be independently responsible for its own security". This has enormously increased the possibility of Japan's development of nuclear weapons. Given this situation, don't regard Ozawa's threatening remarks as merely foolish talks.
FM Spokeswoman: Ozawa's Remarks Irresponsible
China has condemned remarks by Japanese Liberal Party leader Ichiro Ozawa on Japan's nuclear weapons potential as irresponsible.
Chinese Foreign spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue Monday said that the remarks ran opposite to the wishes of both Chinese and Japanese peoples.
She made the statement in response to a question on Ozawa's remark last Saturday that Japan could easily develop nuclear weapons and would not lose militarily as China was increasing military spending.
Zhang said that Ozawa's words were provocative, representing an outdated cold war mentality just as the two countries were celebrating the 30th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations,
His remarks contradicted hopes for peace and long-term friendship between the two countries and peoples, she added.
Japanese Politician Claimed Japan Could Make Massive Nuclear Weapons to Curb China
Japanese Liberal Party President Ichiro Ozawa claimed that Japan could make a large number of nuclear weapons "overnight" to curb China's "excessive expansion".
Japanese media said that Ichiro Ozawa's remarks would evoke a strong response from China and other Asian countries against any moves of Japanese militarism.
According to reports, Ichiro Ozawa Saturday said: "it is easy to make nuclear warheads for Japan, our nuclear power plants have enough plutonium which is enough to make 3000 to 4000 nuclear warheads, Japan can produce thousands of nuclear warheads overnight".
Nuclear weapons are the most sensitive issue in Japan, Japanese people are strongly against it. Since the nuclear accident in Ibaraki Prefecture in 1999, the most serious nuclear leakage accident, Japanese citizens have lost confidence about nuclear industry, they asked governments to reduce or stop nuclear power plant construction.
Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi said lately with visiting Chinese top legislator Li Peng that Chinese development is not only conducive to Japan, but also other countries. He does not agree with the view that "China's rapid development would pose threat to Japan".
You thought wrong you fucking idiot. How modded this ignorant foul up? The Japanese military budget is over $43 billion dollars. No military my arse!
The Japanese people would be against this. The Japanese politicians are all nationalist chauvinists, though and will eventually try to rearm or pursue nuclear weapons programs in secret.
JabberWokky clearly does not know what he is talking about.