"FreeBSD needs your help," Hubbard intoned. "Even if you're a user who hasn't touched a line of C code in your life, you can still help out, writing articles, passing out CDs, talking to schools. Whatever it takes."
First off, I'm a Linux guy myself, but I'm very happy to see any *nix group pulling together to try to attract new blood. As much as the Linux and the BSD crowd squable over things, either side gaining new ground is a Good Thing(tm). It is a win for *nix in general, especially on the school front.
The college I attent, like many others, started almost totaly *nix, but has been making more and more of a push into total windows*. I think you aren't even required to use unix until the end of your sophomore year/ beginning of your junior year.
While our LUG has been making more and more converts, the CS dept is requiring new CS majors to buy a laptop, which must run WinNT. (Blah. No choice at all. I'm glad I got there long before that rule.) It gets harder and harder to convince all but the most jaded to run a *nix platform when the CS dept requires that they run WinNT as well.
So to the BSD crowd: I hope you make it around to my school. I would personaly be proud to have you all there.;) (We will, of course, be right behind you with Linux disks.)
This kind of competition and recognition can only benefit all.
Although not the same problem you seem to be having.
When I moved my one of my boxen with a tv card in it from 2.2.10 to 2.2.12 (didn't have net access between the two), i lost the ability to have both sound and picture at the same time. I could get one or the other, depending on what I passed as argments when insmoding. (I use an ADS Channel Surfer). I mailed ac (as per one of the documentation files about bttv in the kernel), but never heard a response from him. *shrug* I just stayed with 2.2.10.
I believe there was some major re-writing activity going on in the kernel bttv drivers around 2.2.11, 2.2.12, so hopefully they will begin to stabilize with time.
Unfortunatly, I just fried the mb in that box 2 days ago, so I haven't been able to try 2.2.13 on it. It'll be interesting to see how it works out, pending that everything else in that box didn't get fried as well.:(
Mainly because it is intuitive and harder to mess up, as (last I checked) it comes with no GUI configuration tool to be accidentaly clicked on.
Just make a backup of the ~/GNUstep/Library/AfterStep directory so that if it does get hosed some how, you can just copy it back over. If you would like help setting up Afterstep, you can mail me and I'll help you with the config files.
And, while I love Linux, for the less computer literate, an iMac might be the correct solution. Logging in and out can be an alien concept to people. Not to mention error messages in Linux are usually scary (ie. messages that begin with Panic:).
"If their is no O'Reilly book on the subject, it isn't worth knowing."
"Everything I ever needed to know, I learned from O'Reilly books."
:P
You have to hand it to O'Reilly. They do a great job of keeping on top of the newest topics and produce great books on them. And with all of the books they have put out on various Free Software, they have proven themselves to be our ally.
The Register didn't have any sources. Sorry, but if you haven't read the article, do so.
"We know, from a highly reliable source..."
"It's also worth referring back to this piece, which also came from a highly reliable source..."
"Another reliable source tells The Register..."
"One US source says..."
Hehehe. Boy I get a lot of laughs out of this kind of journalism.
But seriously, it seems to me that at this kind of speed (if it were to be true), the processor isn't going to be the bottleneck (but that will vary depending on what you are doing, of course). The slow point for most of the things I do, is, believe it or not, my internet connection. (And I'm over cable modem.) Give me a low end pentium class machine and a blazing link, and I'll be a happy man.
However, that is all just my opinion...but I got it from a reliable source.;)
I disagree with one of the previous replier's comment about Licq, however. I use the windoze icq at work, and it is slow as christmas and unstable as hell. But the terribly beta version of Licq I use at home is fast and solid.
But back on topic, I guess I am lucky, because I don't have any applications that hold me in the windoze world.
/* Rant on */ Man oh man. The more I read comments posted here the more I realize that some people just assume that no matter what Redhat does, it must be evil and wrong. Okay so yeah, they may not be the One True Free Software Champions(t)--they are a business! They have a commitment to be profitable for their shareholders.
We see a lot of so called reasons Redhat is evil, mostly summed up by:
1. They are a business 2. Their distro is more expensive 3. They might be the Microsoft of Linux 4. People think their distro is no good.
Sorry, but none of these are valid reasons to trample on Redhat. They have a history of releasing their work to the community that a number of people think is outweight by the fact they are successful.
But I'll tell you the real reason people like to slam Redhat: *It is in style and undergroud!*
Suprised? Don't be. People like to slam Redhat becase it is a popular sentiment these days. It makes them feel good and a part of the One True Underground Linux Community(t). Blah.
Use the right distro for the right job people. And stop trying to be a part of the *cool underground*.
/* Rant off */
Try sshing into your machine when X locks up.
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If X locks on your machine, ssh into it from another and shut it down. I can't say I've every had a serious problem that I couldn't ssh in and either shut down or kill the offending application.
Now, I don't have a vBanshee, but I do have a v2. It works quite nice. I just followed the instructions on www.linux3d.org
As far as sound, have you compiled sound as a module or directly into the kernel? I like compiling it directly in so that I can specify the irq, etc. at compile time and not have to worry about loading in the modules. What kind of soundcard do you have? If it is something like the sblive, you'll need to get the closed source drivers, (i'll dig up the link if you need it).
PC Week Labs went to great lengths to take the same security measures on the Linux and Windows NT servers running the site that any IT manager worth his or her salt would implement.
Well that is very interesting isn't it. Then why weren't the available security fixes for redhat applied. Bah. They went to the trouble of getting service packs for NT, but couldn't rpm -Uhv *
While any operating system needs patches and updates, there is no central repository for testing or approving patches to the Linux system.
Well isn't that special. http://www.redhat.com/corp/support/errata/rh60-err ata-general.html
Kernel patches can be obtained from a verified source such as kernel.org, but most other components have no central infrastructure.
Last I checked, no hole in the kernel was exploited. As for the other components, you buy from redhat to get the central infrastructure. You could roll your own distro if you wanted to worry about updating all of the individual packages. When you buy a distro, you pay a company money to package things for you, so when you need an update, you go to them.
The only option for Linux is to use a utility called autorpm, which polls a server for updates and automatically installs them
Again wrong. I don't use debian myself, but I believe they have a system for doing just that in a much more secure manner.
The bottom line is daunting: Don't let your guard down--ever.
Right. Basically like they did by not applying the fixes put out by redhat and using unaudited cgi scripts.
We just keep getting more and more games for Linux. Brings a tear to my eye. (:
I will most certaily be purchasing a copy of Heretic II. (Can someone give me the skinny on Heavy Gear II? I haven't played it. Is it any good?)
I think the community should make an effort to support those companies that put out games for Linux. Support them with your wallet! If you like the game, buy it. I pre-ordered a copy of CivCTP from Loki and was pleased with it. And I will probably buy a copy of Heretic II. (And I can't wait to go to a store and buy a boxed copy of q3 for linux from our friends at id one day).
Show the world that the Linux community isn't a bunch of freeloaders. Buy a copy of the good games that come out. Companies will see this and continue to port high quality games.
Maybe we aren't ready for wearables yet, but it seems to me, a big step toward that is decent voice recognition software.
Does anyone have any feeling for any decent voice recog. software that runs in linux? If there were some usable software/libraries around, it would be interesting to hack out a voice recog. interface for xmms.:) Or maybe something that would read/. headlines to me in the morning while I am getting ready to head to work.
Heh. Maybe andover could market a wearable wearable that displays the/. headlines over one eye. That way you can be half as efficient at work. (:
I'm playing around with the new E, and the one question that comes to mind is: where can I find a wharf like application in e? (Wharf is a bar where you can dock apps in afterstep.)
[very common; by analogy with VAXen] Fanciful plural of box often encountered in the phrase `Unix boxen', used to describe commodity Unix hardware. The connotation is that any two Unix boxen are interchangeable.
"Increased acceptance of the redhat.com Web site as a leading destination site for communications within the growing open source community. The site had 33.3 million page views in the second quarter and has begun carrying paid advertising."
Not to slam anybody's web site, but since when has redhat.com been a community for open source minded people? I visit redhat.com occationaly, but only to go to their errata list.
Am I off base here? Who here goes to redhat.com for open source community related things?
"Red Hat's Web site, redhat.com, is a leading online source of information and news about open source software and one of the largest online communities of open source software users and developers."
Can somebody please validate/debunk this? Since when does someone go to redhat.com over slashdot.org or freshmeat.net?
I'd like to see redhat do well, but I am afraid they are setting themselves up for a big disapointment on the portal idea by counting hits on their site for something they are not.
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Every toaster will have its own IP--its own internal IP, choosen from the list of IP's that are set aside for internal use (I can't recall the RFC number atm). Only one external IP is needed.
Every toaster on the internet?
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Why exactly should every toaster, microwave, dishwasher etc be connected? And even if they are all connected, why in the world do they need their own ip address?
Seems like NAT and IP Masq. are perfect for this kind of thing. What most people do on the internet can be perfectly done through NAT or Masq: web, mail, ftp, ssh, etc.
How does having your own large address space help anything?
(Not to slam on ipv6, tho. I do like build in ipsec).
While you do bring up an interesting point, I have to address the fundamental flaw in your argument.
There is nothing stoping Corel Linux from being commercial. The GPL is not anticommercialistic. It is just a way of trying to make companies who wish to benefit from GPL'ed source play "fair".
That aside, it comes down to this: while you might not want to see Corel Linux go to "waste", it doen't really matter what you want. What matters is the wishes of the authors of the source in question. They decided on the GPL in order to stop this kind of thing. That was their decision.
If you have authored packages included in Debian (on which Corel Linux is based), I urge you: write to Corel and let them know that they have your permission to re-license your work. That is really the only thing you can do directly.
Kinda funny. This story has brought out yet more posts that basically say "This wouldn't have happened if you use a BSD style license."
Well, they are right. If Linux (and Debian specifically) were licensed under a BSD style license, this wouldn't have happened.
But... That is like saying, if you have no rights, no one can infringe upon you. How much sense does that make?
The reason we use the GPL so we have (hopefully) some legal ground to stop companies doing exactly what Corel (might) be doing. I say might, because it looks to me like a Legal Dept. error.
Yes, we could have used a BSD license and Corel wouldn't have a problem playing unfair. But we want companies to play fair--this one of the reasons the GPL exists. Now, whether or not it is enforceable is a whole other issue. But at least we try.
Slashdot Mirror
The GNU ICQ-compatible Server
You can see their documents here
"FreeBSD needs your help," Hubbard intoned. "Even if you're a user who hasn't touched a line of C code in your life, you can still help out, writing articles, passing out CDs, talking to schools. Whatever it takes."
;) (We will, of course, be right behind you with Linux disks.)
First off, I'm a Linux guy myself, but I'm very happy to see any *nix group pulling together to try to attract new blood. As much as the Linux and the BSD crowd squable over things, either side gaining new ground is a Good Thing(tm). It is a win for *nix in general, especially on the school front.
The college I attent, like many others, started almost totaly *nix, but has been making more and more of a push into total windows*. I think you aren't even required to use unix until the end of your sophomore year/ beginning of your junior year.
While our LUG has been making more and more converts, the CS dept is requiring new CS majors to buy a laptop, which must run WinNT. (Blah. No choice at all. I'm glad I got there long before that rule.) It gets harder and harder to convince all but the most jaded to run a *nix platform when the CS dept requires that they run WinNT as well.
So to the BSD crowd: I hope you make it around to my school. I would personaly be proud to have you all there.
This kind of competition and recognition can only benefit all.
Although not the same problem you seem to be having.
:(
When I moved my one of my boxen with a tv card in it from 2.2.10 to 2.2.12 (didn't have net access between the two), i lost the ability to have both sound and picture at the same time. I could get one or the other, depending on what I passed as argments when insmoding. (I use an ADS Channel Surfer). I mailed ac (as per one of the documentation files about bttv in the kernel), but never heard a response from him. *shrug* I just stayed with 2.2.10.
I believe there was some major re-writing activity going on in the kernel bttv drivers around 2.2.11, 2.2.12, so hopefully they will begin to stabilize with time.
Unfortunatly, I just fried the mb in that box 2 days ago, so I haven't been able to try 2.2.13 on it. It'll be interesting to see how it works out, pending that everything else in that box didn't get fried as well.
Mainly because it is intuitive and harder to mess up, as (last I checked) it comes with no GUI configuration tool to be accidentaly clicked on.
Just make a backup of the ~/GNUstep/Library/AfterStep directory so that if it does get hosed some how, you can just copy it back over. If you would like help setting up Afterstep, you can mail me and I'll help you with the config files.
And, while I love Linux, for the less computer literate, an iMac might be the correct solution. Logging in and out can be an alien concept to people. Not to mention error messages in Linux are usually scary (ie. messages that begin with Panic:).
Some possible new O'Reilly Slogans:
"If their is no O'Reilly book on the subject, it isn't worth knowing."
"Everything I ever needed to know, I learned from O'Reilly books."
:P
You have to hand it to O'Reilly. They do a great job of keeping on top of the newest topics and produce great books on them. And with all of the books they have put out on various Free Software, they have proven themselves to be our ally.
(Will someone do a review on this book?)
Kudos to O'Reilly!
The Register didn't have any sources. Sorry, but if you haven't read the article, do so.
;)
"We know, from a highly reliable source..."
"It's also worth referring back to this piece, which also came from a highly reliable source..."
"Another reliable source tells The Register..."
"One US source says..."
Hehehe. Boy I get a lot of laughs out of this kind of journalism.
But seriously, it seems to me that at this kind of speed (if it were to be true), the processor isn't going to be the bottleneck (but that will vary depending on what you are doing, of course). The slow point for most of the things I do, is, believe it or not, my internet connection. (And I'm over cable modem.) Give me a low end pentium class machine and a blazing link, and I'll be a happy man.
However, that is all just my opinion...but I got it from a reliable source.
As long as Windoze is still running, so is IE. ;)
I disagree with one of the previous replier's comment about Licq, however. I use the windoze icq at work, and it is slow as christmas and unstable as hell. But the terribly beta version of Licq I use at home is fast and solid.
But back on topic, I guess I am lucky, because I don't have any applications that hold me in the windoze world.
What more do you need than emacs any way. Heh.
/* Rant on */
Man oh man. The more I read comments posted here the more I realize that some people just assume that no matter what Redhat does, it must be evil and wrong. Okay so yeah, they may not be the One True Free Software Champions(t)--they are a business! They have a commitment to be profitable for their shareholders.
We see a lot of so called reasons Redhat is evil, mostly summed up by:
1. They are a business
2. Their distro is more expensive
3. They might be the Microsoft of Linux
4. People think their distro is no good.
Sorry, but none of these are valid reasons to trample on Redhat. They have a history of releasing their work to the community that a number of people think is outweight by the fact they are successful.
But I'll tell you the real reason people like to slam Redhat:
*It is in style and undergroud!*
Suprised? Don't be. People like to slam Redhat becase it is a popular sentiment these days. It makes them feel good and a part of the One True Underground Linux Community(t). Blah.
Use the right distro for the right job people. And stop trying to be a part of the *cool underground*.
/* Rant off */
If X locks on your machine, ssh into it from another and shut it down. I can't say I've every had a serious problem that I couldn't ssh in and either shut down or kill the offending application.
Now, I don't have a vBanshee, but I do have a v2. It works quite nice. I just followed the instructions on www.linux3d.org
As far as sound, have you compiled sound as a module or directly into the kernel? I like compiling it directly in so that I can specify the irq, etc. at compile time and not have to worry about loading in the modules. What kind of soundcard do you have? If it is something like the sblive, you'll need to get the closed source drivers, (i'll dig up the link if you need it).
Yep. The paperwork is being processed now.
Everyone who shops at Amazon.com better go to that 1-click shopping real quick, otherwise Amazon is gonna be in a heap of trouble.
PC Week Labs went to great lengths to take the same security measures on the Linux and Windows NT servers running the site that any IT manager worth his or her salt would implement.
Well that is very interesting isn't it. Then why weren't the available security fixes for redhat applied. Bah. They went to the trouble of getting service packs for NT, but couldn't rpm -Uhv *
While any operating system needs patches and updates, there is no central repository for testing or approving patches to the Linux system.
Well isn't that special. http://www.redhat.com/corp/support/errata/rh60-err ata-general.html
Kernel patches can be obtained from a verified source such as kernel.org, but most other components have no central infrastructure.
Last I checked, no hole in the kernel was exploited. As for the other components, you buy from redhat to get the central infrastructure. You could roll your own distro if you wanted to worry about updating all of the individual packages. When you buy a distro, you pay a company money to package things for you, so when you need an update, you go to them.
The only option for Linux is to use a utility called autorpm, which polls a server for updates and automatically installs them
Again wrong. I don't use debian myself, but I believe they have a system for doing just that in a much more secure manner.
The bottom line is daunting: Don't let your guard down--ever.
Right. Basically like they did by not applying the fixes put out by redhat and using unaudited cgi scripts.
We just keep getting more and more games for Linux. Brings a tear to my eye. (:
I will most certaily be purchasing a copy of Heretic II. (Can someone give me the skinny on Heavy Gear II? I haven't played it. Is it any good?)
I think the community should make an effort to support those companies that put out games for Linux. Support them with your wallet! If you like the game, buy it. I pre-ordered a copy of CivCTP from Loki and was pleased with it. And I will probably buy a copy of Heretic II. (And I can't wait to go to a store and buy a boxed copy of q3 for linux from our friends at id one day).
Show the world that the Linux community isn't a bunch of freeloaders. Buy a copy of the good games that come out. Companies will see this and continue to port high quality games.
Maybe we aren't ready for wearables yet, but it seems to me, a big step toward that is decent voice recognition software.
:) Or maybe something that would read /. headlines to me in the morning while I am getting ready to head to work.
/. headlines over one eye. That way you can be half as efficient at work. (:
Does anyone have any feeling for any decent voice recog. software that runs in linux? If there were some usable software/libraries around, it would be interesting to hack out a voice recog. interface for xmms.
Heh. Maybe andover could market a wearable wearable that displays the
I'm playing around with the new E, and the one question that comes to mind is: where can I find a wharf like application in e? (Wharf is a bar where you can dock apps in afterstep.)
"Put one in your pocket for awhile, you'll be amazed at how many uses these things have."
Cause when you have a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
(:
that /Trans/lates the instructions from other platforms into native instructions.
;)
Spooky.
It only encourages people to take shots at each other over this issue. It would be nice if everyone could be lighthearted about it, but they are not.
I wish you would have resisted.
boxen /bok'sn/ pl.n.
[very common; by analogy with VAXen] Fanciful plural of box often encountered in the phrase `Unix boxen', used to describe commodity Unix hardware. The connotation is that any two Unix boxen are interchangeable.
[From the jargon file]
Okay, so, they hated the world. Great. Now those of use who hate the world are going to get a bad name. ;)
"Increased acceptance of the redhat.com Web site as a leading destination site for communications within the growing open source community. The site had 33.3 million page views in the second quarter and has begun carrying paid advertising."
Not to slam anybody's web site, but since when has redhat.com been a community for open source minded people? I visit redhat.com occationaly, but only to go to their errata list.
Am I off base here? Who here goes to redhat.com for open source community related things?
"Red Hat's Web site, redhat.com, is a leading online source of information and news about open source software and one of the largest online communities of open source software users and developers."
Can somebody please validate/debunk this? Since when does someone go to redhat.com over slashdot.org or freshmeat.net?
I'd like to see redhat do well, but I am afraid they are setting themselves up for a big disapointment on the portal idea by counting hits on their site for something they are not.
Every toaster will have its own IP--its own internal IP, choosen from the list of IP's that are set aside for internal use (I can't recall the RFC number atm). Only one external IP is needed.
Why exactly should every toaster, microwave, dishwasher etc be connected? And even if they are all connected, why in the world do they need their own ip address?
Seems like NAT and IP Masq. are perfect for this kind of thing. What most people do on the internet can be perfectly done through NAT or Masq: web, mail, ftp, ssh, etc.
How does having your own large address space help anything?
(Not to slam on ipv6, tho. I do like build in ipsec).
While you do bring up an interesting point, I have to address the fundamental flaw in your argument.
There is nothing stoping Corel Linux from being commercial. The GPL is not anticommercialistic. It is just a way of trying to make companies who wish to benefit from GPL'ed source play "fair".
That aside, it comes down to this: while you might not want to see Corel Linux go to "waste", it doen't really matter what you want. What matters is the wishes of the authors of the source in question. They decided on the GPL in order to stop this kind of thing. That was their decision.
If you have authored packages included in Debian (on which Corel Linux is based), I urge you: write to Corel and let them know that they have your permission to re-license your work. That is really the only thing you can do directly.
I did give Rob and crew the benefit of the doubt, and I certainly never cried "Slashdot sucks now!" I even appologized to the poster of the story.
But I can't deny that it freaked me out a bit.
Kinda funny. This story has brought out yet more posts that basically say "This wouldn't have happened if you use a BSD style license."
Well, they are right. If Linux (and Debian specifically) were licensed under a BSD style license, this wouldn't have happened.
But... That is like saying, if you have no rights, no one can infringe upon you. How much sense does that make?
The reason we use the GPL so we have (hopefully) some legal ground to stop companies doing exactly what Corel (might) be doing. I say might, because it looks to me like a Legal Dept. error.
Yes, we could have used a BSD license and Corel wouldn't have a problem playing unfair. But we want companies to play fair--this one of the reasons the GPL exists. Now, whether or not it is enforceable is a whole other issue. But at least we try.