So yes the new resources lets them have MORE of the same, either more fancy, or more interactive but they ALREADY had interactive, and they already had fancy NOTHING new.
And the Wiimote does what now?
The Gamecube already had interactive... you were pressing buttons. Now, instead of just pressing buttons, you move your controller as well.
The 360 and PS3 give you the same things that last gen gave you, they just make it possible to interact with more of those things and in more ways.
Annnnd....the Wiimote does what now?
It provides more interactivity with the game world...just like what you described the 360 and the PS3 do. Just because it's hardware based and not software based doesn't make it any better or any worse...it just makes it different.
It uses what? That's right, more advanced hardware to allow you to interact with things differently than you could before.
The difference in processing power between this gen and last gen is huge, much larger than the differences in previous generations...these difference grants us the ability to do things in games we could only dream about before. Look at games such as Assasin's Creed, or the next Splinter Cell. Do you think you could have had the kind of interactivity with the environment in previous generations as what Assasin's Creed or the next Splinter Cell are showing? This isn't just shinier and fancier...this is stuff that directly affects the game, stuff that entirely changes your interaction with the environment.
Splinter Cell is a good example of this....look at previous Splinter Cell games. Here you are, master spy, and unable to interact with things unless it is required to advance through a stage...you were the best trained spy in the world, and can only dispatch your enemies in a few pre-set ways. Now look at the new Splinter Cell. Do I wait under this desk, only to pop out at the last second? Or do I sneak up behind the poor bastard and chuck him across the table scattering objects everywhere...objects which could be used to impede the progress of the enemies now alerted to my presence. Or, better still, do I just grab a chair or computer and chuck it at their heads? Of course, I could always knock this desk over for some short-lived cover after sniping one of them in the back of the head with my pistol...
Or Assasin's Creed. Do I run up and murder that guy in front of a crowd, and then proceed to run through the town streets (with countless civilians screaming at me, btw) looking for something that I can use in order to get higher up? Or do I slowly creep on top of a building (of which there are multiple ways of climbing), toss a dagger at his face, and watch the ensuing chaos below. Or do I murder him in plain sight, start killing guards, and then scurry up ANY wall I choose, requiring the guards (using their AI, of course) to find their own way up...and then proceed to toss them off the roof as they climb up one by one.
Games like Splinter Cell and Assasin's Creed will essentially enable you to play through a level however you want...Obviously, there is going to be a starting point and an ending point, however now instead of only having a handful of options of how to get there, your options are limited only by your own imagination.
That's not very "incremental" to me. That's changing the way I play a game. Just like a Wiimote.
Usually I agree with Will Wright (regardless of your opinion of his games, you cannot deny the impact he has had on the industry) however, in this case, I think he is a little off the mark.
The Wii does something new and exciting, yes, but so do the PS3 and the 360...it's not just "shinier graphics", there are many things that game developers are able to do now that they were unable to do before...that extra computing power can go towards smarter AI, larger level design (for example, compare the size of the levels and objects on screen in Beautiful Katamari to the first three Katamari games.)...it's similar to CGI in movies...it is allowing us to achieve things in movies that were previously nigh-impossible.
And let's not forget the online portion as well. Yes, Live was around with the original Xbox, but look at what Live has grown into...a massive marketplace, tons of video and game demos right at your fingertips, not to mention Arcade titles...ditto for the PSN, so much stuff it's nearly overwhelming. The Wii has done well with the Virtual Console in this area, although out of the three I would have to say it has the furthest to go.
The Wii has made some baby steps towards innovation, but it's going to take games where the waggle is no longer labeled as such (Prime 3 is a great example of this, btw.) More powerful CPUs and GPUs don't just make things extra shiny...they make gameplay possible that was not possible before...just like a Wiimote.
Then explain to me why other, heavier trucks (Land Rovers, Land Cruisers, Expeditions, etc.) had no problems with their tires and still don't to this day.
Yes, inproper tire inflation can cause some major issues, but people would have to either be severely under-inflating (say around 10-20 PSI) or over-inflating (say around 45-60 PSI) for that kind of issue to occur...and yes, I'm aware that off-roaders usually run 5-15 PSI on the trail to increase tire spread and grip (aka "airing down")... but then again, they aren't traveling 70 MPH either.
Which is something I addressed in my post in a single sentence...our club is better than your club.
I'm aware that humanity as it stands now is in no position to unite and work together, but the longer we travel down the road we are on now, the more backtracking we will have to do.
The sad thing is we have the resources, intelligence, and DRIVE to do these things...we are just using them all in a useless way that leads to one ending: our extinction.
Just because it might not happen in our lifetimes does not mean it won't happen.
We, as a species, should pool all of our assests together and put forth as much effort as possible at exploring space and figuring out a way to get off this rock.
"But Pojut, there are so many issues down here already! Hunger, Homeless, Terrorism, Etc.!"
And a lot of those problems would go away if we stopped acting like little children (our club is better than your club), united our efforts internationally, put some real money towards it, and actually went out and learned things.
We will all either explore space together and get off this tiny planet, or we will all kill each other and our species will die out. I don't know about you, but I know which one I would prefer.
I know the general reaction around here is "But Rockstar does stuff like that all the time!" but did you all ever think that maybe Rockstar wanted that part of the game changed due to the controversy that Manhunt has been generating? Perhaps they don't want themselves to be associated in a game that has the kind of audience that The Simpsons generally attracts in an attempt to avoid more negative publicity?
Think about it...The Simpsons has done some messed up things on their show, but most parnts don't seem to have a problem with their kids watching the show...those same parents would likely have a problem with their kids playing a GTA type game, and if the name is different they might not notice...
Yes, I'm aware how much of a stretch this is and yes I'm aware that my post only sorta made sense...but you get the idea.
1. The 360 is an awesome console...definately my favourite out of the 3 in the 7th generation... If mine got the dreaded RRoD tomorrow, would I replace it in a heartbeat? Yes. Excellent games, excellent controller, excellent OS...horrid Media Center integration, but hey, that's what TVersity is for;-)
2. Dreamcast 360? I don't remember the Dreamcast ever having any major technical flaws...in fact, I remember the Dreamcast as being one of the best systems of all time...unfortunately, it also went the way of Psychonauts...those that experienced it loved it...unfortunately, not enough people experienced it and as such not enough commercial games came out for it...I would like to point out, however, that it has a homebrew scene still going quite strong.
According to the article, when an $8.5M safety study of about 24,000 pilots indicated an alarming number of near collisions and runway incidents, NASA refused to release the results.
"When two planes almost collide, they call it a near miss....IT'S A NEAR HIT! A collision is a near miss...::BOOM::...look, they nearly missed."
If it stated in their license agreement that you click "agree" to when you install that the software could not be installed on a system residing in a specific country, then yes I think they could.
It would also plunge much of europe into temporary chaos. What would those governments do if Microsoft one day just said "fuck it" closed up shop in europe, and stopped supporting their software in europe? I know next to nothing about the law and such over there with regards to this, but couldn't microsoft essentially say that their software was no longer allowed to be purchased or used by any country in the EU? Wouldn't that cause some major issues as government scrambled to change their systems?
Well, Firestone's recall in 1978 (after an internal memo recognizing the problem in 1973...1973!) of over 7 million Firestone 500's (which the NHTSA documented 40 or so deaths as a result of the messed up tire)
Let's not forget the Firestone/Ford Explorer fiasco. The problem was discovered in 1996, but 6.3 million Wilderness AT, Firestone ATX/ATXII tires were not recalled until the year 2000. And these problems caused DEATHS. Not just minor inconvenience by having to wait for your gaming box to get repaired.
When Microsoft would want to sell a few more boxes they better start to be honest to the user. I am just a little sick of them telling us bullshit over and over again. Any word on when they will fix the DVD scratching issue that has been their for now almost two years (sorry, but blaming the user is *not* the right thing to do when a pair of rubber pads could fix it)?
Right...because Sony has never fed anyone bullshit...oh, and you're right, Nintendo has never said one thing and the reality ends up being quite different.
They are businesses. Telling us bullshit is what they do best. And you know what? People buy their stuff anyway, because they want it. If my 360 got the RRoD tomorrow, or if my PS3 or my Wii for whatever reason went belly up tomorrow, I would be replacing them as quickly as I could...Why? Because I enjoy the time that spend using them.
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And the Wiimote does what now?
The Gamecube already had interactive... you were pressing buttons. Now, instead of just pressing buttons, you move your controller as well.
Nothing new... just more interactive.
Annnnd....the Wiimote does what now?
It provides more interactivity with the game world...just like what you described the 360 and the PS3 do. Just because it's hardware based and not software based doesn't make it any better or any worse...it just makes it different.
It uses what? That's right, more advanced hardware to allow you to interact with things differently than you could before.
Same old, same old...just improved.
Read my reply to a post further up in this thread. My post there is my same answer to you.
I have four questions for you.
Yeah? And? So? What?
The difference in processing power between this gen and last gen is huge, much larger than the differences in previous generations...these difference grants us the ability to do things in games we could only dream about before. Look at games such as Assasin's Creed, or the next Splinter Cell. Do you think you could have had the kind of interactivity with the environment in previous generations as what Assasin's Creed or the next Splinter Cell are showing? This isn't just shinier and fancier...this is stuff that directly affects the game, stuff that entirely changes your interaction with the environment.
Splinter Cell is a good example of this....look at previous Splinter Cell games. Here you are, master spy, and unable to interact with things unless it is required to advance through a stage...you were the best trained spy in the world, and can only dispatch your enemies in a few pre-set ways. Now look at the new Splinter Cell. Do I wait under this desk, only to pop out at the last second? Or do I sneak up behind the poor bastard and chuck him across the table scattering objects everywhere...objects which could be used to impede the progress of the enemies now alerted to my presence. Or, better still, do I just grab a chair or computer and chuck it at their heads? Of course, I could always knock this desk over for some short-lived cover after sniping one of them in the back of the head with my pistol...
Or Assasin's Creed. Do I run up and murder that guy in front of a crowd, and then proceed to run through the town streets (with countless civilians screaming at me, btw) looking for something that I can use in order to get higher up? Or do I slowly creep on top of a building (of which there are multiple ways of climbing), toss a dagger at his face, and watch the ensuing chaos below. Or do I murder him in plain sight, start killing guards, and then scurry up ANY wall I choose, requiring the guards (using their AI, of course) to find their own way up...and then proceed to toss them off the roof as they climb up one by one.
Games like Splinter Cell and Assasin's Creed will essentially enable you to play through a level however you want...Obviously, there is going to be a starting point and an ending point, however now instead of only having a handful of options of how to get there, your options are limited only by your own imagination.
That's not very "incremental" to me. That's changing the way I play a game. Just like a Wiimote.
Usually I agree with Will Wright (regardless of your opinion of his games, you cannot deny the impact he has had on the industry) however, in this case, I think he is a little off the mark.
The Wii does something new and exciting, yes, but so do the PS3 and the 360...it's not just "shinier graphics", there are many things that game developers are able to do now that they were unable to do before...that extra computing power can go towards smarter AI, larger level design (for example, compare the size of the levels and objects on screen in Beautiful Katamari to the first three Katamari games.)...it's similar to CGI in movies...it is allowing us to achieve things in movies that were previously nigh-impossible.
And let's not forget the online portion as well. Yes, Live was around with the original Xbox, but look at what Live has grown into...a massive marketplace, tons of video and game demos right at your fingertips, not to mention Arcade titles...ditto for the PSN, so much stuff it's nearly overwhelming. The Wii has done well with the Virtual Console in this area, although out of the three I would have to say it has the furthest to go.
The Wii has made some baby steps towards innovation, but it's going to take games where the waggle is no longer labeled as such (Prime 3 is a great example of this, btw.) More powerful CPUs and GPUs don't just make things extra shiny...they make gameplay possible that was not possible before...just like a Wiimote.
There is a phrase well-known amongst geeks and nerds.
"Never make fun of a nerd in high school...he will own the company you work for some day."
What're you worried about, this is 1874...you'll be able to sue her!
Then explain to me why other, heavier trucks (Land Rovers, Land Cruisers, Expeditions, etc.) had no problems with their tires and still don't to this day.
Yes, inproper tire inflation can cause some major issues, but people would have to either be severely under-inflating (say around 10-20 PSI) or over-inflating (say around 45-60 PSI) for that kind of issue to occur...and yes, I'm aware that off-roaders usually run 5-15 PSI on the trail to increase tire spread and grip (aka "airing down")... but then again, they aren't traveling 70 MPH either.
Which is something I addressed in my post in a single sentence...our club is better than your club.
I'm aware that humanity as it stands now is in no position to unite and work together, but the longer we travel down the road we are on now, the more backtracking we will have to do.
The sad thing is we have the resources, intelligence, and DRIVE to do these things...we are just using them all in a useless way that leads to one ending: our extinction.
Just because it might not happen in our lifetimes does not mean it won't happen.
We, as a species, should pool all of our assests together and put forth as much effort as possible at exploring space and figuring out a way to get off this rock.
"But Pojut, there are so many issues down here already! Hunger, Homeless, Terrorism, Etc.!"
And a lot of those problems would go away if we stopped acting like little children (our club is better than your club), united our efforts internationally, put some real money towards it, and actually went out and learned things.
We will all either explore space together and get off this tiny planet, or we will all kill each other and our species will die out. I don't know about you, but I know which one I would prefer.
I know the general reaction around here is "But Rockstar does stuff like that all the time!" but did you all ever think that maybe Rockstar wanted that part of the game changed due to the controversy that Manhunt has been generating? Perhaps they don't want themselves to be associated in a game that has the kind of audience that The Simpsons generally attracts in an attempt to avoid more negative publicity?
Think about it...The Simpsons has done some messed up things on their show, but most parnts don't seem to have a problem with their kids watching the show...those same parents would likely have a problem with their kids playing a GTA type game, and if the name is different they might not notice...
Yes, I'm aware how much of a stretch this is and yes I'm aware that my post only sorta made sense...but you get the idea.
Next time she asks you to go down on her, say "I will be right back."
Come back with a clothespin on your nose and say "Here goes nuthin'..."
In response to the last portion of your post, I point you in the direction of Illusion of Gaia for the SNES.
Well...a couple things to touch on, I suppose.
;-)
1. The 360 is an awesome console...definately my favourite out of the 3 in the 7th generation... If mine got the dreaded RRoD tomorrow, would I replace it in a heartbeat? Yes. Excellent games, excellent controller, excellent OS...horrid Media Center integration, but hey, that's what TVersity is for
2. Dreamcast 360? I don't remember the Dreamcast ever having any major technical flaws...in fact, I remember the Dreamcast as being one of the best systems of all time...unfortunately, it also went the way of Psychonauts...those that experienced it loved it...unfortunately, not enough people experienced it and as such not enough commercial games came out for it...I would like to point out, however, that it has a homebrew scene still going quite strong.
Actually, I was hoping someone would chime in with the last line as a response... Kind of a "I know where that's from" sorta thing 8D
"When two planes almost collide, they call it a near miss....IT'S A NEAR HIT! A collision is a near miss...::BOOM::...look, they nearly missed."
Actually, no, I don't...if you noticed in an above post in this same thread, I asked the question "Or am I just being stupid?"
Apparently, I am 8D Enlighten me?
If it stated in their license agreement that you click "agree" to when you install that the software could not be installed on a system residing in a specific country, then yes I think they could.
I see....that makes sense. Thanks 8D
? Someone said name another company that has had a 30% failure rate...I just named a company that did it TWICE.
Smoke some pot and calm down...I know it's Monday, but holy crap...I was just responding to the question.
It would also plunge much of europe into temporary chaos. What would those governments do if Microsoft one day just said "fuck it" closed up shop in europe, and stopped supporting their software in europe? I know next to nothing about the law and such over there with regards to this, but couldn't microsoft essentially say that their software was no longer allowed to be purchased or used by any country in the EU? Wouldn't that cause some major issues as government scrambled to change their systems?
Or am I just being stupid?
Well, Firestone's recall in 1978 (after an internal memo recognizing the problem in 1973...1973!) of over 7 million Firestone 500's (which the NHTSA documented 40 or so deaths as a result of the messed up tire)
Let's not forget the Firestone/Ford Explorer fiasco. The problem was discovered in 1996, but 6.3 million Wilderness AT, Firestone ATX/ATXII tires were not recalled until the year 2000. And these problems caused DEATHS. Not just minor inconvenience by having to wait for your gaming box to get repaired.
Satisfied?
Right...because Sony has never fed anyone bullshit...oh, and you're right, Nintendo has never said one thing and the reality ends up being quite different.
They are businesses. Telling us bullshit is what they do best. And you know what? People buy their stuff anyway, because they want it. If my 360 got the RRoD tomorrow, or if my PS3 or my Wii for whatever reason went belly up tomorrow, I would be replacing them as quickly as I could...Why? Because I enjoy the time that spend using them.
My 1TB raid says you are correct
And it could have been.
And if you watch the History Channel, or TLC, or Discovery, you will see that it can be both educational and entertaining. Just like the Internet.
That's two great communication tools modified by society, then destroyed by greed.