Nice false dichotomy you have there. You can't stop people from jumping ship to run away from your precious systemd though. Whether you like it or not, there is an option you still can't control.
Even more of them will confuse cosmetology with cosmology. Someone trying to weigh a poll to make Americans look uneducated could have done much better.
Look, you coward, systemd is written by someone who can't grock grep. I thought Debian could do no wrong too, but apparently no organization is impervious to beligerant ignorance.
http://ewontfix.com/14/ (posted elsewhere in this discussion by someone else, this is the well-organized counter-argument you claim to be willing to hear. read it then fuck off)
Having never compared them myself, I cannot comment on the validity of your statement, however according to this wikipedia page mis-identification is not unheard of, and is in fact the leading cause of recent poisonings by this mushroom.
I think the issue is that though they are relatively easy to ID, they are new to the continental US and can be easily mistaken for the Straw Mushroom, which *is* edible, so people assuming this mushroom still only grows in Europe may be in for quite a nasty surprise.
You're always gonna be dependent on *some* chemicals, whether you like it or not. The important part is just knowing which ones you actually are dependent upon. Don't fool yourself into thinking that gluten or caffeine are any less addictive or any better for you in the long run than nicotine.
As someone who does run Linux on desktops as well (and has been doing so for much longer than a week) I can tell you conclusively that if you think you need to become a Bash guru just to make "a few changes to network startup" then YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG probably starting with not reading the distro-specific setup instructions, and making the typical noob mistake of assuming that just because something seems evidently possible to accomplish without reading said instructions that reading the instructions wouldn't have uncovered a much easier approach, i.e. the way it was meant to be done.
Either that or you're misrepresenting the amount of functional alteration you're attempting to actually accomplish with your setup, in which case... boy will you feel betrayed when you find out what type of stuff you'll need to "become a guru in" the first time you don't like the out-of-the-box functionality systemd provides.
I too, lament the apparent impending demise of sysvinit shell script startup and plain text logging/process handling. Functional transparency in Linux booting was a good thing, and it will be missed. It seems more to me like these people arguing so hard over whether to replace sysvinit with upstart or systemd as though just leaving it alone was not an obvious option are more interested in changing the Linux init system to something inherently less secure and more obfuscated so that they can leverage it as a tool in some sort of entirely separate logistical/technical/political maneuvering and pissing match. I don't know any actually experienced sysadmins who are not involved directly with upstart or systemd development (and thereby have a vested career interest in promoting one or the other) who think eliminating sysvinit after all these years has any sanity or operational value whatsoever. The actual complaints about sysvinit are things that in practical use are only minor annoyances to the uneducated, quickly overcome by a modest amount of experience. The obvious maintenance nightmares that will be created by what these guys want to replace it with (either systemd or upstart, but for differing reasons) would dwarf any problems anyone ever had with sysvinit even if they were persistent, actual technical limitations, not just basically "user error."
I'd imagine that the immediate benefits would be: lower power requirements and less heat at equivalent speeds (which can indirectly lead to higher safe clock-speeds) as well as bigger limits on max physical bus lengths due to extremely reduced latency.
He started with the assertion that Open Source methodologies can't be applied to a situation where the results must adhere to testing and standards. I'm sorry but I'm just too old and too angry to respond to false dichotomies or play circular word games today. If you want to clear the air, please, be my guest.
You're right, there's no silver bullet solution, but Open Source curriculum would at least alleviate a non-trivial part of the "Inadequate funding" problem.
And no amount of technology can save the American education system: "We put the technology into a system that damages creative thinking — the kids give up, and at a very early age."
Well, its also fattening to the point that eating the "3-2-4-4 way" puts many people at high risk for type-2 diabetes, so your mileage may vary on the "not evil" part.
We cannot live off of solar alone. It is a good companion, but 100% solar is a dream
You're not very good at math, are you? For your reference just the amount of solar energy absorbed by the earth in an hour dwarves the amount of energy used by the human race in an entire year by four whole orders of magnitude. We could *never* produce this much energy here on Earth ourselves with any concievable current or future nuclear technology advances. So, just to be clear, additionally (please forgive me for also assuming you're not very knowledgable about physics either) the Sun is in fact also, in fact, nuclear. You should honestly be on board with this unless you're a shill. Yes, the solar panel technology needs funding and resesarch, but it deserves it more and will gain more traction from it than what we've spent on nuclear fision, wind power, steam or traditional internal combustion by gasoline so far. It is merely a side-effect of these aformentioned industries having been so profitable thus far that solar currently looks like a cheap toy.
Note: "Debian Developer" != "any developer who uses/contributes to debian"
Don't expect to be able to achieve full DD status within the year. In order to become a DD (Debian Developer) I believe you typically also have to have been a DM (Debian Maintainer) for at least 6 months prior. Candidates are fairly thoroughly screened and trained. There is a mentoring process and everything.
For more information you can ask in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) but I wouldn't recommend going there until you've done some research by first googling up and reading the information about the process and its requirements that are posted on debian.org. They don't have a lot of patience for people who refuse to do the recommended reading. They generally expect you're smart enough to know there IS recommended reading and go looking for it first before you ask for a personalized answer to your questions.
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"slack/vague" or "inert/flat"
pick one.
I think the ethical problem is that now Microsoft also knows, and will be selling the information to advertising partners.
No.
Nice false dichotomy you have there. You can't stop people from jumping ship to run away from your precious systemd though. Whether you like it or not, there is an option you still can't control.
Even more of them will confuse cosmetology with cosmology. Someone trying to weigh a poll to make Americans look uneducated could have done much better.
Look, you coward, systemd is written by someone who can't grock grep. I thought Debian could do no wrong too, but apparently no organization is impervious to beligerant ignorance.
http://ewontfix.com/14/ (posted elsewhere in this discussion by someone else, this is the well-organized counter-argument you claim to be willing to hear. read it then fuck off)
Only affecting models not running Linux currently...
Having never compared them myself, I cannot comment on the validity of your statement, however according to this wikipedia page mis-identification is not unheard of, and is in fact the leading cause of recent poisonings by this mushroom.
I think the issue is that though they are relatively easy to ID, they are new to the continental US and can be easily mistaken for the Straw Mushroom, which *is* edible, so people assuming this mushroom still only grows in Europe may be in for quite a nasty surprise.
They don't exist. Its all a giant conspiracy to justify more outsourcing to 3rd world countries where there aren't minimum wage laws.
You're always gonna be dependent on *some* chemicals, whether you like it or not. The important part is just knowing which ones you actually are dependent upon. Don't fool yourself into thinking that gluten or caffeine are any less addictive or any better for you in the long run than nicotine.
As someone who does run Linux on desktops as well (and has been doing so for much longer than a week) I can tell you conclusively that if you think you need to become a Bash guru just to make "a few changes to network startup" then YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG probably starting with not reading the distro-specific setup instructions, and making the typical noob mistake of assuming that just because something seems evidently possible to accomplish without reading said instructions that reading the instructions wouldn't have uncovered a much easier approach, i.e. the way it was meant to be done.
Either that or you're misrepresenting the amount of functional alteration you're attempting to actually accomplish with your setup, in which case... boy will you feel betrayed when you find out what type of stuff you'll need to "become a guru in" the first time you don't like the out-of-the-box functionality systemd provides.
I too, lament the apparent impending demise of sysvinit shell script startup and plain text logging/process handling. Functional transparency in Linux booting was a good thing, and it will be missed. It seems more to me like these people arguing so hard over whether to replace sysvinit with upstart or systemd as though just leaving it alone was not an obvious option are more interested in changing the Linux init system to something inherently less secure and more obfuscated so that they can leverage it as a tool in some sort of entirely separate logistical/technical/political maneuvering and pissing match. I don't know any actually experienced sysadmins who are not involved directly with upstart or systemd development (and thereby have a vested career interest in promoting one or the other) who think eliminating sysvinit after all these years has any sanity or operational value whatsoever. The actual complaints about sysvinit are things that in practical use are only minor annoyances to the uneducated, quickly overcome by a modest amount of experience. The obvious maintenance nightmares that will be created by what these guys want to replace it with (either systemd or upstart, but for differing reasons) would dwarf any problems anyone ever had with sysvinit even if they were persistent, actual technical limitations, not just basically "user error."
I'd imagine that the immediate benefits would be: lower power requirements and less heat at equivalent speeds (which can indirectly lead to higher safe clock-speeds) as well as bigger limits on max physical bus lengths due to extremely reduced latency.
Are you sure that 5 lines you yourself will write are really going to be correct?
Yes. Fuck you, and fuck jQuery.
He started with the assertion that Open Source methodologies can't be applied to a situation where the results must adhere to testing and standards. I'm sorry but I'm just too old and too angry to respond to false dichotomies or play circular word games today. If you want to clear the air, please, be my guest.
You have actually no idea whatsoever what Open Source is conceptually, do you?
You're right, there's no silver bullet solution, but Open Source curriculum would at least alleviate a non-trivial part of the "Inadequate funding" problem.
And no amount of technology can save the American education system: "We put the technology into a system that damages creative thinking — the kids give up, and at a very early age."
Open Source the curriculum, damnit!
Does this have anything to do with why FreeNode IRC was being DoS attacked a couple days ago?
Well, if you have a properly CUDA-enabled system you don't see that part...
Yes, that IS quite a trick. Too bad its also the cheapest edible material on the planet and coincidentally highly addictive...
Well, its also fattening to the point that eating the "3-2-4-4 way" puts many people at high risk for type-2 diabetes, so your mileage may vary on the "not evil" part.
We cannot live off of solar alone. It is a good companion, but 100% solar is a dream
You're not very good at math, are you? For your reference just the amount of solar energy absorbed by the earth in an hour dwarves the amount of energy used by the human race in an entire year by four whole orders of magnitude. We could *never* produce this much energy here on Earth ourselves with any concievable current or future nuclear technology advances. So, just to be clear, additionally (please forgive me for also assuming you're not very knowledgable about physics either) the Sun is in fact also, in fact, nuclear. You should honestly be on board with this unless you're a shill. Yes, the solar panel technology needs funding and resesarch, but it deserves it more and will gain more traction from it than what we've spent on nuclear fision, wind power, steam or traditional internal combustion by gasoline so far. It is merely a side-effect of these aformentioned industries having been so profitable thus far that solar currently looks like a cheap toy.
Note: "Debian Developer" != "any developer who uses/contributes to debian"
Don't expect to be able to achieve full DD status within the year. In order to become a DD (Debian Developer) I believe you typically also have to have been a DM (Debian Maintainer) for at least 6 months prior. Candidates are fairly thoroughly screened and trained. There is a mentoring process and everything.
For more information you can ask in #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) but I wouldn't recommend going there until you've done some research by first googling up and reading the information about the process and its requirements that are posted on debian.org. They don't have a lot of patience for people who refuse to do the recommended reading. They generally expect you're smart enough to know there IS recommended reading and go looking for it first before you ask for a personalized answer to your questions.