Hell no the American Indians would not band togeather across Tribal boundries, except for a few notable exceptions to drive off a common enemy.
Little Bighorn was one of the few times tribes hooked up to take out Whitey.
The Aztecs were taken down by a mix of other native tribes (names of which I don't recall and can't spell) fighting WITH the Spanish.
Hell the Spanish in Mexico had more problems with other Spanish coming to take out Cortez than the Spanish had with the Aztecs.
If you look at the Inidan Wars, tribes would go to the French or English/American side in the same division which marked the intertribal warfare that exsisted before the Europeans settled in the Americas.
Some have argued that the US-Plains Indians Treaties should be voided because the agreements to stop fighting between the tribes were broken when the Tribes would go at it within weeks of returning from the Treaty signing.
Even today, there is alot of mistrust between bands of Lakota and the Crows sure don't like the Lakota.
If you are from Cheyenne River Reservation, you are not always welcome on Standing Rock or Pine Ridge, and you really don't want to go over to the Crow Reservation.
Because Marketing, two chimps and a wolverine, at Apple went to "focus groups" (the three idiots that thought Performa was a strong name) and they said, "I will buy something with Madonna's scrawl on it."
And thus there was crap on the shiny back of an iPod to be covered in the thumb prints of day to day use.
We had a Denon 5 disc changer for the hold music when I got to my current job.
The thing gave up the ghost and I replaced it with a Mac running iTunes.
Damnedest thing, when I opened the drawer to get the CDs out there was a 1/8-1/5 of an inch band worn into all the discs at around mid-way around all the CDs.
It'd been spinning for about 18 months and it wore a grove into the CDs.
Hell, from anything. Ever have someone try to bash in a door at 3 am while they were drunk and looking to steal a car in the middle of Nowhere South Dakota? I have. I live in the city and while the city is mostly safe, I know that shit can happen and I have a pistol by the door.
"Second, why by the door? If the DHID kick the door down and barge in, they've cut you off from your protection before you've even figured out what's going on."
Did I say the only weapon is the Jericho? No I did not. Thats the back up. I have a fall back position with some other items. Including non-lethals.
"Finally, have you ever opened the door to a situation that could be best resolved by killing someone?"
No, but I have opened the door to situations that could very well resulted in gunfire for self-defense.
Around 30% of taser or electrical strikes from a stun-gun fail in police less than leathal strikes. That is one of the reasons the Sky Marshals won't use them.
I never said that I solve problems by using a gun. I never said I answer the door with a gun. I said I have one.
I never said I wanted to murder anyone, I never said I want to use a gun to solve a problem. I never said I shoot at Police. I never said I live in a bad area.
I said I have weapons as tools of defense in a last resort situation.
I also have firearms as tools to hone physcial and mental skills.
It seems to me that you think gunownership equals violence, it does not.
"the ONLY point of a gun is to kill (or play duckhunt)."
Bullshit.
Even in the military the primary role of some weapons isn't killing.
Take automatic weapons in the US Army in the Second World War. The role of a BAR, Thompson, Grease Gun was a supression weapon first. That is, bust caps and keep the enemy's head down so the rifleman can get closer.
There is covering fire to hit targets and supressing fire to keep heads down so others can advance.
So if a gun's only role is to kill why are there firing ranges where thousands of people shoot every year and the majority of them never use that weapon to kill?
In the United States there are more than 150 million firearms and around 30,000 murders, so by those numbers you can see that the vast majority of firearms are not used to kill.
So you could say that the only point of a gun is to sit somwhere and gather dust.
My guns were not bought to kill. My guns were bought to target shoot and to defend my home and property.
'Interesting. Only white males and females in the guard are allowed to own guns because they are in the militia."
b) The classes of the militia are - (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of National Guard or the Naval Militia.
So, any male and most likely any female since language in US Code that discriminates sexually automaticly doesn't discriminate sexually with the exception of Combat Roles in the USMC and Army, who is a part of the militia.
i.e.
Every adult Citizen is in the Militia and thus can own/possess a weapon.
If there was a list with roles, then it would be the Organized Militia, which is in section a. Section b. is everyone else.
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia."
10USC Sec 311 EXPCITE TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A - General Military Law PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA
HEAD Sec. 311. Militia: composition and class
STATUTE (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of National Guard or the Naval Militia.
I have a IMI Jericho with a high-cap mag by the door. It has some decent rounds in it. It is a paperwieght, but if something happens (and you never know when something will happen) it is there.
It is there for my protection and the protection of those within.
I've argued with people on/. before as to the revelence of guns in the People vs. Government world, and I still feel that they are still needed to keep the Government in it's place.
If Police fear for thier lives when they serve a warrent, then the 2nd Amendment is doing it's job. If the Police and Government stop fearing the people, then it's much easier for the Government to control the people.
Army needs a new Tank, well they can't have DARPA work with Sandia because Sandia has a technology spin-off company. They can't talk to General Dynamics Land Systems or General Motors Canada because of the Seperation of State and Business.
No one that has ever owned stock or been in a PERS can run for office?
NASA has to develop it's own launch systems because they can't work with LockMart or Boeing anymore. No more military intellegence or communications over privately owned sats.
FAA can't work with Bombardier, Airbus or Boeing on safety standards because of the seperation of business and government.
See, those European solutions will not work in the United States because of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I'll keep American Republic-Democracy over Swiss Democracy, after all in the US women could vote more than 80 years before they could in Switzerland, even though we are 500 years younger.
"Corporations actually demand access to politicians for contributing $$$."
So do large private donors. Hell I don't donate shit, but I do vote and I demand results from my Senators (SD) and I do get calls/faxes back and others in my family have had face to faces with our Senators.
Now, the whole finance reform issue isn't cut and dried. The Supreme Court has declared that a Corporation has the same rights as an indivdual and has been very vauge about the whole Money is Free Speech issue.
I've read arguements for both sides, and I do feel that McCain-Feingold does violate Freedom of Speech.
Now before anyone blasts the Bush Administator too harshly, remeber that Clinton was the master of not only Corporate donations and access but allowing Foriegn Governments and Foriegn Governement controled companies access.
"How far we've fallen from the day when men like Washinton, Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt fought for and to protect the central ideas of American Democracy."
No. Burr, Hamilton and Davis fought for Democracy.
Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln fought for a Republic. FDR fought for a Socialist system and broke the Constitution everywhich way in the 30s.
Lincoln also violated the US Constitution so much more than the last 5 administrations have.
Maryland under Martial Law, Newspaper Editors thrown in jail or deported, etc.
Many think the Rapid City flood in 1972 was triggered by a cloud making experiment gone wrong.
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/unr/iwe/1972/
"In a 6-hour time frame on June 9, 1972, a rush of water poured through Rapid City and canyons in the surrounding area, destroying homes, vehicles, businesses, bridges, and claiming 238 lives."
There was a flood in Rapid City, South Dakota on 9 June 1972 that killed 283people and caused extensive property damage. Plaintiffs alleged that the flood was caused by an experimental cloud seeding program operated by the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology, under contract to the U.S.Government."
http://www.sciencescene.com/suckley/evs105/05Atm os phere&Climate/05c-Lecture.htm
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Why would the Royal Navy send the HMS Beagle to little islands 800 miles off the coast of South America? Why would Darwin study some birds?
This "obscure" spoke of the Galaxy isn't that isolated when you look at how close the stars are.
There are naturally degrading strawbale houses in Nebraska from the 1890s that are still up.
In the text of that PDF it talks about that.
"We have been able to draw on the rich knowledge of the past, using ideas which have been tried and tested over centuries. In many respects, the requirements of strawbale buildings are essentially the same as traditional cob (earth) buildings. They have high plinth walls, self-draining foundations, and large overhangs to the roof. They are also constructed of breathable materials and must not be waterproofed (although they must be weatherproofed).There are currently over 100,000 cob houses of 200-500 years old still inhabited in the UK."
"How long will it last? No one can completely answer this question because the first strawbale house was built only about 130 years ago. In the USA there are about a dozen houses nearing 100 years old that are still inhabited and showing no problems. They have an increasing stock of houses built since 1980 that are also surviving with no problems. Here in the UK, we started building 7 years ago. As with any other technique of house building, if your straw bale house is built with a good design, with quality work and is properly maintained throughout its life, there is no reason why it should not last at least 100 years.
Isn't it a fire risk? No. It may seem strange, but when you stack bales up in a wall and plaster them either side, the density of the bales is such that there isn't enough air inside the bales for them to burn. It's like trying to burn a telephone directory loose pages burn easily, but the whole book won't catch fire. Straw bale walls have passed all the fire tests they have been subjected to in the USA and Canada. Despite the bales themselves not being a risk, if you plaster any wall with a half inch of plaster, it gives sufficient fire protection to satisfy building regulations."
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But the "unit" isn't a square box.
No I didn't design it, but I'm not living here forever.
I'm out and building my own next year.
I'm in a block of four buildings, each "unit" is different from the other one, each "quarter" is different from the other, built between 1906 and 1924.
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Hell no the American Indians would not band togeather across Tribal boundries, except for a few notable exceptions to drive off a common enemy.
Little Bighorn was one of the few times tribes hooked up to take out Whitey.
The Aztecs were taken down by a mix of other native tribes (names of which I don't recall and can't spell) fighting WITH the Spanish.
Hell the Spanish in Mexico had more problems with other Spanish coming to take out Cortez than the Spanish had with the Aztecs.
If you look at the Inidan Wars, tribes would go to the French or English/American side in the same division which marked the intertribal warfare that exsisted before the Europeans settled in the Americas.
Some have argued that the US-Plains Indians Treaties should be voided because the agreements to stop fighting between the tribes were broken when the Tribes would go at it within weeks of returning from the Treaty signing.
Even today, there is alot of mistrust between bands of Lakota and the Crows sure don't like the Lakota.
If you are from Cheyenne River Reservation, you are not always welcome on Standing Rock or Pine Ridge, and you really don't want to go over to the Crow Reservation.
I tried one at Compusa this weeked.
I was unimpressed by the stylus interface and how slow it did handwriting to text.
The price was a bit high I though as well.
Because Marketing, two chimps and a wolverine, at Apple went to "focus groups" (the three idiots that thought Performa was a strong name) and they said, "I will buy something with Madonna's scrawl on it."
And thus there was crap on the shiny back of an iPod to be covered in the thumb prints of day to day use.
(I have a 20GB iPod - Back gets all printy fast)
It was a mistake to have Russia as a "partner".
NASA/USAF should have bought thier technology outright like LockMart did with the advanced trans-sonic S/VTOL Yak-41.
We had a Denon 5 disc changer for the hold music when I got to my current job.
The thing gave up the ghost and I replaced it with a Mac running iTunes.
Damnedest thing, when I opened the drawer to get the CDs out there was a 1/8-1/5 of an inch band worn into all the discs at around mid-way around all the CDs.
It'd been spinning for about 18 months and it wore a grove into the CDs.
"First, protection from what?"
Hell, from anything. Ever have someone try to bash in a door at 3 am while they were drunk and looking to steal a car in the middle of Nowhere South Dakota? I have. I live in the city and while the city is mostly safe, I know that shit can happen and I have a pistol by the door.
"Second, why by the door? If the DHID kick the door down and barge in, they've cut you off from your protection before you've even figured out what's going on."
Did I say the only weapon is the Jericho? No I did not.
Thats the back up. I have a fall back position with some other items. Including non-lethals.
"Finally, have you ever opened the door to a situation that could be best resolved by killing someone?"
No, but I have opened the door to situations that could very well resulted in gunfire for self-defense.
Around 30% of taser or electrical strikes from a stun-gun fail in police less than leathal strikes. That is one of the reasons the Sky Marshals won't use them.
I never said that I solve problems by using a gun. I never said I answer the door with a gun. I said I have one.
I never said I wanted to murder anyone, I never said I want to use a gun to solve a problem. I never said I shoot at Police. I never said I live in a bad area.
I said I have weapons as tools of defense in a last resort situation.
I also have firearms as tools to hone physcial and mental skills.
It seems to me that you think gunownership equals violence, it does not.
"the ONLY point of a gun is to kill (or play duckhunt)."
Bullshit.
Even in the military the primary role of some weapons isn't killing.
Take automatic weapons in the US Army in the Second World War. The role of a BAR, Thompson, Grease Gun was a supression weapon first. That is, bust caps and keep the enemy's head down so the rifleman can get closer.
There is covering fire to hit targets and supressing fire to keep heads down so others can advance.
So if a gun's only role is to kill why are there firing ranges where thousands of people shoot every year and the majority of them never use that weapon to kill?
In the United States there are more than 150 million firearms and around 30,000 murders, so by those numbers you can see that the vast majority of firearms are not used to kill.
So you could say that the only point of a gun is to sit somwhere and gather dust.
My guns were not bought to kill. My guns were bought to target shoot and to defend my home and property.
Defend != Kill.
Terrorists. Targets.
You know, bad guys.
'Interesting. Only white males and females in the guard are allowed to own guns because they are in the militia."
b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of National Guard or the Naval Militia.
So, any male and most likely any female since language in US Code that discriminates sexually automaticly doesn't discriminate sexually with the exception of Combat Roles in the USMC and Army, who is a part of the militia.
i.e.
Every adult Citizen is in the Militia and thus can own/possess a weapon.
If there was a list with roles, then it would be the Organized Militia, which is in section a. Section b. is everyone else.
That was in 1792.
The US Code doesn't have the race language in it.
If a car is stolen and the criminal kills 4 people with it, should the owner be held responsible?
Should American and United be sued because 19 tangos stole thier planes and hit the WTC and Pentagon?
Actually, Congress has cleared that up, and one needs to look at what the Framers thought about Militias.
1 78 9.htm9 2.htmy /debate .html
http://www.constitution.org/mil/militia_debate_
http://www.constitution.org/mil/mil_act_17
http://members.ll.net/chiliast/GGGH/histor
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia."
10USC Sec 311
EXPCITE TITLE 10 - ARMED FORCES
Subtitle A - General Military Law
PART I - ORGANIZATION AND GENERAL MILITARY POWERS
CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA
HEAD Sec. 311. Militia: composition and class
STATUTE (a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
b) The classes of the militia are -
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of National Guard or the Naval Militia.
Exactly.
/. before as to the revelence of guns in the People vs. Government world, and I still feel that they are still needed to keep the Government in it's place.
Guns don't kill.
I have a IMI Jericho with a high-cap mag by the door. It has some decent rounds in it. It is a paperwieght, but if something happens (and you never know when something will happen) it is there.
It is there for my protection and the protection of those within.
I've argued with people on
If Police fear for thier lives when they serve a warrent, then the 2nd Amendment is doing it's job. If the Police and Government stop fearing the people, then it's much easier for the Government to control the people.
Wyoming allowed women to vote in 1869. The rest of the states and the United States followed.
Switerland started to in 1972.
Last I looked, Switzerland was right there between France, Germany, Austria and Italy.
Let me know when it leaves the Eurasian landmass.
That is for the Federal Courts and Supreme Court to decide.
OK.
Seperation of State and Business.
Army needs a new Tank, well they can't have DARPA work with Sandia because Sandia has a technology spin-off company. They can't talk to General Dynamics Land Systems or General Motors Canada because of the Seperation of State and Business.
No one that has ever owned stock or been in a PERS can run for office?
NASA has to develop it's own launch systems because they can't work with LockMart or Boeing anymore. No more military intellegence or communications over privately owned sats.
FAA can't work with Bombardier, Airbus or Boeing on safety standards because of the seperation of business and government.
The business of the United States is business.
A clear violation of Free Speech.
See, those European solutions will not work in the United States because of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I'll keep American Republic-Democracy over Swiss Democracy, after all in the US women could vote more than 80 years before they could in Switzerland, even though we are 500 years younger.
"Corporations actually demand access to politicians for contributing $$$."
So do large private donors. Hell I don't donate shit, but I do vote and I demand results from my Senators (SD) and I do get calls/faxes back and others in my family have had face to faces with our Senators.
Now, the whole finance reform issue isn't cut and dried. The Supreme Court has declared that a Corporation has the same rights as an indivdual and has been very vauge about the whole Money is Free Speech issue.
I've read arguements for both sides, and I do feel that McCain-Feingold does violate Freedom of Speech.
Now before anyone blasts the Bush Administator too harshly, remeber that Clinton was the master of not only Corporate donations and access but allowing Foriegn Governments and Foriegn Governement controled companies access.
The Empire...
When did that start? When the Settlers went beyond the Treaty of Paris limits following the Revolution?
When the Army kicked out the Florida tribes?
When Lincoln shat on the Constitution during the war?
When the United States had the most powerful military on Earth and 12 million men in Service and didn't conquer Europe and Asia?
Let me know when this "Empire" starts.
"How far we've fallen from the day when men like Washinton, Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt fought for and to protect the central ideas of American Democracy."
No. Burr, Hamilton and Davis fought for Democracy.
Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln fought for a Republic. FDR fought for a Socialist system and broke the Constitution everywhich way in the 30s.
Lincoln also violated the US Constitution so much more than the last 5 administrations have.
Maryland under Martial Law, Newspaper Editors thrown in jail or deported, etc.
Many think the Rapid City flood in 1972 was triggered by a cloud making experiment gone wrong.
m os phere&Climate/05c-Lecture.htm
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/unr/iwe/1972/
"In a 6-hour time frame on June 9, 1972, a rush of water poured through Rapid City and canyons in the surrounding area, destroying homes, vehicles, businesses, bridges, and claiming 238 lives."
http://www.rbs2.com/weather.htm
"Lunsford v. U.S., 418 F.Supp. 1045 (D.S.Dak. 1976), aff'd, 570 F.2d 221 (8thCir.1977).
There was a flood in Rapid City, South Dakota on 9 June 1972 that killed 283people and caused extensive property damage. Plaintiffs alleged that the flood was caused by an experimental cloud seeding program operated by the South Dakota School of Mines and Technology, under contract to the U.S.Government."
http://www.sciencescene.com/suckley/evs105/05At
Why would the Royal Navy send the HMS Beagle to little islands 800 miles off the coast of South America? Why would Darwin study some birds?
This "obscure" spoke of the Galaxy isn't that isolated when you look at how close the stars are.
There are naturally degrading strawbale houses in Nebraska from the 1890s that are still up.
In the text of that PDF it talks about that.
"We have been able to draw on the rich knowledge of the past, using ideas which have been tried and tested over centuries. In many respects, the requirements of strawbale buildings are essentially the same as traditional cob (earth) buildings. They have high plinth walls, self-draining foundations, and large overhangs to the roof. They are also constructed of breathable materials and must not be waterproofed (although they must be weatherproofed).There are currently over 100,000 cob houses of 200-500 years old still inhabited in the UK."
"How long will it last?
No one can completely answer this question because the first strawbale house was built only about 130 years ago. In the USA there are about a dozen houses nearing 100 years old that are still inhabited and showing no problems. They have an increasing stock of houses built since 1980 that are also surviving with no problems. Here in the UK, we started building 7 years ago. As with any other technique of house building, if your straw bale house is built with a good design, with quality work and is properly maintained throughout its life, there is no reason why it should not last at least 100 years.
Isn't it a fire risk?
No. It may seem strange, but when you stack bales up in a wall and plaster them either side, the density of the bales is such that there isn't enough air inside the bales for them to burn. It's like trying to burn a telephone directory loose pages burn easily, but the whole book won't catch fire. Straw bale walls have passed all the fire tests they have been subjected to in the USA and Canada. Despite the bales themselves not being a risk, if you plaster any wall with a half inch of plaster, it gives sufficient fire protection to satisfy building regulations."
But the "unit" isn't a square box.
No I didn't design it, but I'm not living here forever.
I'm out and building my own next year.
I'm in a block of four buildings, each "unit" is different from the other one, each "quarter" is different from the other, built between 1906 and 1924.