And they will, over time. I hear the same expectation/need from the other side all the time - the engineers actually building the hardware have good practices beaten into them as they're coming off the college factory line; the programmers coding for the hardware wouldn't know "good practices" if it hit them in the face. And it usually does, repeatedly, until they learn or decide it's not what they thought they'd be doing. Programming - software engineering - is becoming more of a discipline over time, but we're still years and years away from where the old engineering teachings are.
And don't even get me started on "computer engineering". Most of the schools I've seen fail to teach any of computer science, software engineering, or generic engineering to the kiddies in that major. The premise is good, the output lacks.
Wait until people are freely able to move their phone number between land lines and cells. The possibility is not there yet, but is getting closer - witness some of the bells allowing transfer of cell phone number between services now.
Your number will not then be in a "non-landline" exchange, and you will start getting as many unwanted calls as the rest of us.
For windows, the best free stuff out there is probably MudMaster or MM2K (the non-console version of MM). Other free ones can be found by putting something dumb like "windows mud client" into google.
For linux, I have never found any clients that will do everything I want them to do. As Michael implies, tf will do most everything you want. The two issues I currently have with it are no easily usable input buffer (/recall.... prints it, but doesn't rerun it...), and its ansi support doesn't do well when presented with muds which spew crap. MCL is probably the second most popular unix mud client, after tf. Non console... good luck. Sourceforge has a couple dozen projects in various states of undress.
Empirically, it seems to me that the majority of those who use cell phones while driving are -not- using headsets, hands free dialing, et al. they use the same tiny little crappy phone they also use in restaurants, movie theaters, and other public venues.
The real crunch is going to come in about 4 years as the univerisities are really just cranking up the "mill" to turn out programers and CS grads.
As far as I can tell, that crunch is now. I graduated with a BS in CS in May, and haven't had any luck at all nailing down a programming or an IT job full time. Lots of part time filler.
I could merely be biased from my own lack of success, but I know of at least two others who graduated at the same time from the same university as I (Maryland) in the same boat.
And this is in a reasonably active tech sector, greater DC. The time is now. I agree with the rest of your post, except to note the fact that programming for joy doesn't pay the bills.
Hell, I throw the damn things on the ground. If someone is going to spam me and clutter up my windshield, I'll make it more costly to society to clean up after them.
Yes, I could. And many people have noted that fact, and are continually attempting to infringe on my second amendment (god-given, if you prefer) right to bear arms, for the defense of myself and the country. Bad analogy, right idea. I've always thought textbooks and pencils should be banned from schools - ever been hit over the head with a textbook? Or stabbed with a pencil? Right.
Yup, likewise, except it's the windows partition I haven't booted to for a year. At work, now, it's a different story, as the IT guys try to enforce uniformity of platform and OS and software for ease of support. But at home, I can do what I want to and need to, without ever booting into windows. And hell, I rarely have the need to reboot, so the choice isn't staring me in the face. Sure, I'm not the everyday person, but it's more than usable.
... The Video Game market now exceeds the film market...
I'd like to know where you pulled that one from. Between box office takes, video purchasing/rentals, all of the attendent riff-raff marketing (ever seen McD's sell video game figures in their happy meals?), and the like, the film industry is larger than the video game industry by a couple of magnitudes.
I agree with most of what you say - that blame cannot be placed squarely on the shoulders of those who run these worms and virii, but with a minor caveat: If you work in IT, and are responsible for cleaning up the mess when something like this goes around, instruct and train. I geek for a 30 person office. While we do have trouble, occasionally, with a worm being passed around through Outlook, it is not much. The 'Code Red' nonsense helped a great deal with this... the users saw _on the evening news_ what horrible things could be done to their box, and how much time they would lose. At that point, the mantra I went on about - "Save and scan attachments. Don't open attachments unless you are expecting them. 'Cool' forwards are not cool." - sunk home for many. They preach to each other.
Likewise, my mother at her office - she being the typical Joe Schmo computer user smirked at here in slashdot - has slowly trained those working with her. If they want her to open an attachment sent through email, they'll send warning. Else it gets deleted.
I imagine this is due to the 'rush' to post before so many posts are up that yours won't be noticed. Any time something is made discrete and countable, folks shoot for the highest/lowest/best/worst score. Someone tell 'em karma will not add any size to your cup or your schlong.
Fewer posts (early) or higher/easier to see in oldest first mode (late) (Poll thought: how do you read/.... err it's all been done before), etc --> more 'chances' for positive mod points. Ignoring the fact that crap posts will supposedly get modded down. There needs to be 'Unread, -1', in addition to Redundant.
Don't know why the Slashdot editors can't seem to read the articles for content (see MS, post title 'evil'), but hey, they can't write either, so no real suprise. I'm thinking the troubles VA Linux is having has trickled down here and they lost their copy editor -- but that's an argument for another story arc.
--Recluse (yes, I read the article. Before I posted no less, though the post is off-topic)
Well, at least the NM AG ended up spending MS money for their legal costs instead of taxpayer money. I suppose that will look good to the voters if/when she decides to run for another public office. Big case, no result, etc.
Headline: microsoft wins case by dividing and conquering opponents!
Damn, that one almost sounds like their tactics used in acquiring the markets they control today. Almost too bad the other eighteen states and the feds won't let go so easily.
You're slipping, Taco. The headlines today could have been much more over-sensationalized. Use the overwrought nonsense you threw at us yesterday as a template, and try again.
Hollywood is incapable of coming up with 'original' work for the same reasons 'pop' music never has truly innovative artists. They are driving for the masses.
Slashdot Mirror
And they will, over time. I hear the same expectation/need from the other side all the time - the engineers actually building the hardware have good practices beaten into them as they're coming off the college factory line; the programmers coding for the hardware wouldn't know "good practices" if it hit them in the face. And it usually does, repeatedly, until they learn or decide it's not what they thought they'd be doing. Programming - software engineering - is becoming more of a discipline over time, but we're still years and years away from where the old engineering teachings are.
And don't even get me started on "computer engineering". Most of the schools I've seen fail to teach any of computer science, software engineering, or generic engineering to the kiddies in that major. The premise is good, the output lacks.
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We call them "script kiddies" when the guide-following is malicious.
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It's called humor.
-R-
Better check your sarcasm meter before posting.
-R-
Wait until people are freely able to move their phone number between land lines and cells. The possibility is not there yet, but is getting closer - witness some of the bells allowing transfer of cell phone number between services now.
Your number will not then be in a "non-landline" exchange, and you will start getting as many unwanted calls as the rest of us.
-R-
For windows, the best free stuff out there is probably MudMaster or MM2K (the non-console version of MM). Other free ones can be found by putting something dumb like "windows mud client" into google.
.... prints it, but doesn't rerun it...), and its ansi support doesn't do well when presented with muds which spew crap. MCL is probably the second most popular unix mud client, after tf. Non console... good luck. Sourceforge has a couple dozen projects in various states of undress.
For linux, I have never found any clients that will do everything I want them to do. As Michael implies, tf will do most everything you want. The two issues I currently have with it are no easily usable input buffer (/recall
-R-
Linux, er, 9.0? What distro is that?
-R-
Empirically, it seems to me that the majority of those who use cell phones while driving are -not- using headsets, hands free dialing, et al. they use the same tiny little crappy phone they also use in restaurants, movie theaters, and other public venues.
All hail pay phones.
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As far as I can tell, that crunch is now. I graduated with a BS in CS in May, and haven't had any luck at all nailing down a programming or an IT job full time. Lots of part time filler.
I could merely be biased from my own lack of success, but I know of at least two others who graduated at the same time from the same university as I (Maryland) in the same boat.
And this is in a reasonably active tech sector, greater DC. The time is now. I agree with the rest of your post, except to note the fact that programming for joy doesn't pay the bills.
Hell, I throw the damn things on the ground. If someone is going to spam me and clutter up my windshield, I'll make it more costly to society to clean up after them.
--C
You mean any professional organization? Must be nice, being able to earn a living without being able to communicate effectively.
--R
Not s'far as I can tell. I haven't subscribed, I metamod daily, I've had mod points three or four times since subscriptions went in.
In the short run, yes. In the long run, no. But then, in the long run, we're all dead.
Uh, Dell?
Yes, I could. And many people have noted that fact, and are continually attempting to infringe on my second amendment (god-given, if you prefer) right to bear arms, for the defense of myself and the country. Bad analogy, right idea. I've always thought textbooks and pencils should be banned from schools - ever been hit over the head with a textbook? Or stabbed with a pencil? Right.
--C
The first three have been out for quite some time. Open your eyes. Maybe look at http://kernel.org once in awhile.
--R
Yup, likewise, except it's the windows partition I haven't booted to for a year. At work, now, it's a different story, as the IT guys try to enforce uniformity of platform and OS and software for ease of support. But at home, I can do what I want to and need to, without ever booting into windows. And hell, I rarely have the need to reboot, so the choice isn't staring me in the face. Sure, I'm not the everyday person, but it's more than usable.
--R
... The Video Game market now exceeds the film market...
I'd like to know where you pulled that one from. Between box office takes, video purchasing/rentals, all of the attendent riff-raff marketing (ever seen McD's sell video game figures in their happy meals?), and the like, the film industry is larger than the video game industry by a couple of magnitudes.
--Recluse
I agree with most of what you say - that blame cannot be placed squarely on the shoulders of those who run these worms and virii, but with a minor caveat: If you work in IT, and are responsible for cleaning up the mess when something like this goes around, instruct and train. I geek for a 30 person office. While we do have trouble, occasionally, with a worm being passed around through Outlook, it is not much. The 'Code Red' nonsense helped a great deal with this... the users saw _on the evening news_ what horrible things could be done to their box, and how much time they would lose. At that point, the mantra I went on about - "Save and scan attachments. Don't open attachments unless you are expecting them. 'Cool' forwards are not cool." - sunk home for many. They preach to each other.
Likewise, my mother at her office - she being the typical Joe Schmo computer user smirked at here in slashdot - has slowly trained those working with her. If they want her to open an attachment sent through email, they'll send warning. Else it gets deleted.
Train and teach instead of ranting.
--Recluse
A linux packaging system, eh? This is make, make install? Or do you mean something like rpm? Or deb?
It would be very interesting to see a /. poll asking the crowd how many years of experience they have.
All of the college students would lie.
Err yeah, if MS was broken up (fat chance) the current user base would just up and disappear.
Uhh, can we say legacy systems?
I imagine this is due to the 'rush' to post before so many posts are up that yours won't be noticed. Any time something is made discrete and countable, folks shoot for the highest/lowest/best/worst score. Someone tell 'em karma will not add any size to your cup or your schlong.
/.... err it's all been done before), etc --> more 'chances' for positive mod points. Ignoring the fact that crap posts will supposedly get modded down. There needs to be 'Unread, -1', in addition to Redundant.
Fewer posts (early) or higher/easier to see in oldest first mode (late) (Poll thought: how do you read
Don't know why the Slashdot editors can't seem to read the articles for content (see MS, post title 'evil'), but hey, they can't write either, so no real suprise. I'm thinking the troubles VA Linux is having has trickled down here and they lost their copy editor -- but that's an argument for another story arc.
--Recluse (yes, I read the article. Before I posted no less, though the post is off-topic)
Headline: politician saves money for taxpayers!
Well, at least the NM AG ended up spending MS money for their legal costs instead of taxpayer money. I suppose that will look good to the voters if/when she decides to run for another public office. Big case, no result, etc.
Headline: microsoft wins case by dividing and conquering opponents!
Damn, that one almost sounds like their tactics used in acquiring the markets they control today. Almost too bad the other eighteen states and the feds won't let go so easily.
You're slipping, Taco. The headlines today could have been much more over-sensationalized. Use the overwrought nonsense you threw at us yesterday as a template, and try again.
--Recluse
Hollywood is incapable of coming up with 'original' work for the same reasons 'pop' music never has truly innovative artists. They are driving for the masses.
It _is_ pop, you know.