Um, many systems can't handle 8G of ram. Windows (32 bit) can't handle more than around 3G (the exact number depends on what devices you have installed.)
Again, if you can afford $30/gig, you can afford.... etc
64 bit windows and Linux can address lots of memory however, assuming your motherboard can (which many can't.)
There's a reason it's called the bleeding edge.. I've been running 64bit for years, btw.. I scoff at the half bitted plebes;] In fact, I think half-bit will be my diminutive du jour, as in "Why did apple go back to half bit?"
But besides the limitations above, it makes sense to "swap out" the parts of memory you are not using. No sense in putting 8G of real ram in when 4G will be unused code that would have been in swap (not just the money cost, but also electrical cost.)
I know why it's there and what it does, I'm just saying that if OS's want double the ram every 3-4 years, but ram doubles in capacity/dollar every year, then eventually we should be able to get rid of swap. I mean, lord knows I do use it, but it has always kind of irked me for some reason. And of course if your goal is to ditch swap, then there is sense in it. Unless you need your swap to persist between boots, there's no sense in committing it to disk anyway.
At least with Linux and OS's that use a partition you don't have to worry about the damn thing getting fragmented. Dunno how much of an issue that is with Windows these days, but back in the day if your swap size was adjustable (and it was by default) it could get heavily fragmented.
Oh yeah, how does a solid state drive handle fragmentation? I have heard that they don't fragment, but not from reliable sources, and I just don't see how that is possible unless there is some built in mechanism to close gaps on the fly or something. If you fill the disk full then selectively delete files around the disk and then write one big file, it will fragment. Maybe fragmentation is a moot point (is it?) but that's not the same thing as not having physical fragmentation. It seems like an SSD would still need pointers of some kind.
Seems pretty serious either way, and it has me wishing I'd turned off the automatic update service on my only Windows PC. It's too late now, but you can bet it won't get internet access until after that's disabled when I format that machine next.
I think part of the compaint with this one is that it installs even with the update service was off.. well, depending on how far you go with turning it off. If you literally disable the service instead of just telling it not to update, that might do it. I seem to recall reading in the thread that it was a fairly persistent update.
In case you're stuck in a loop reading that response looking for the segue, no you're not crazy, and yes that really did just happen.
I'm with you on the stupid jury thing, in theory, except I kind of doubt that smart people are more likely to skip it than dumb people. I would guess that people who are generally apathetic are more likely to skip it? Do people really ditch out on jury duty as some form of sticking it to the man or something or out of laziness or what?
I'd actually like to server. I'm 31, I've had a drivers license for half that, and I'm registered to vote, but I've never been called for jury duty. Who's a guy have to sleep with to get called?
Are you joking? Do they really make a gentoo video?! I thought it was all ultra basic?
Bah, bevermind, I looked it up.. heh, now I see what you did there!
As an amd+nvidia fan, I have been quietly hoping all involved will take the high road. I can see AMD putting more resources to back ati, but I hope amd doesn't actively spurn nvidia. It's funny, but I'm actually a bit afraid to read up on it just in case they are fighting. I guess I'm not above a tinge of fanboyism occasionally.
They're just pimping a Viper while hoping to sell more Neons.. ssdd.. Price:performance is still competitive, but Intel owns the high end at the moment.
It's funny what you say about the 20% faster, though. In high end tech terms, that 20% is full scale mind blowing dominance. 100fps versus 120fps, heh.. what, that's not worth an extra couple grand to you?
I bet this pc's refrigerator cost more than my whole computer.
Unless it's so fat that the exhaust velocity drops low, backs up gas in the pipe, and actually *creates* backpressure. You could also have so much cam overlap that you need some backpressure to make the air/fuel stay in the cylinder while waiting for the exhaust valve to close. Everything in moderation, friend, especially stickers, wings, and fart cans.
Well, I was joking (which I'm sure you knew and are just being pedantic) but if you want to be serious, then I think have too much faith in man to do things well and for the right reason. If man falls to machine, it will be due partly to evil and partly to incompetence.
I just posted this elsewhere, but it fits here too. (I couldn't agree more, btw)
The day the computers can read what we're looking at and know us well enough to offer an even remotely successful guess at what comes next will be the day the computer decides it doesn't need us anymore. And I think we all know what happens when the computers decide they don't need us anymore.
On the topic of shopping algorithms, I love it when I look at a book, and it says people who bought this book also bought these other 3 books, plus this waffle iron. (ok, one site in particular)
Slashdot and Fark are the closest thing I need to a mashup. The second my life gets so complicated that I need 18 web site portions shoehorned into the next frankenstein's monster, that will be the day I move to the country and open a bakery.
Coincidentally, the day the computers can read what we're looking at and know us well enough to offer an even remotely successful guess at what comes next will be the day the computer decides it doesn't need me anymore. And I think we all know what happens when the computers decide they don't need us anymore.
And while I still have a bad attitude, I'll add that I'm getting tired of kids thinking they "made something". Listen, kid, did you actually make ANYTHING on that page? Besides the poorly written prose reflecting on whether or not Vanilla Ice really can dance better than any Kidd or Play, your page mostly looks like a combination of non-anti-aliased animated gifs that clash with your background and a few youtube videos that you didn't write, film, produce, rip, or even upload yourself, and only 50/50 chance you even found it yourself. Well job, newb, well job. Nevermind that you contributed maybe a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the total time it took to create that page.
Sorry for the ot in the third p, I'm still a little upset after being eye-raped by some myspace pages at work last week and then being told mine sucks because it's too plain. Heh, elegant simplicity, young padawan. Wisdom comes from typing less and reading more.
I hate those codenames.. not just ubuntu, but basically everything. Who started it? And don't say the military, because they're the only ones that do it right. There is just something magical about good old fashioned version numbers, where anybody can look at it and tell which one is more recent. It strikes the nerve in me right next to the nerve that took a hit when MS changed the "network" icon to "network neighboorhood" and then "my network places".. gag me with a spoon for real, y0. This is the *real* pussification of America.
I wonder would it be possible to make it much more difficult to spoof the from headers in email? If spam could at least be traced back it would act as a deterrent or make it easier to shut down open relays. Right now it's just too easy to put any old crap in the from line.
So on one hand, my opinion is the gold standard, and on the other hand, my tests are crap? You could just concentrate on my conclusion that vista is pretty decent, because I'm pretty sure that was in my post. Or else you could run it yourself for a while on decent hardware and see what you think and perhaps share your conclusions with the crowd. Then there is the ever popular third option of spouting fud in public. All I'm asking for is fairness in conversation. In my opinion, Vista is getting a really bad rap on Slashdot by people whom I cannot help but suspect are not fit to judge (more precisely, they ARE fit to judge, but can't be bothered to try it).
If I wrote down notes, I tended to miss parts of the lecture, usually important stuff. I didn't have that problem with the notebook.
Amen to that, I write super slow, and it takes too much concentration. If I don't try to take notes and just pay attention, I retain fairly well, but if try to take notes, I'm screwed. Not only do I tune out some of the prof's lecture, but I typically can't even keep up fast enough to have a complete set of notes at the end anyway, so I'm double screwed.. I never did try taking notes on a laptop, though.. I wish they were more common back then, but I'd have felt like I was sticking out too much.. plus all the clicking..
Lol, heh, yes, but this is Vista, the worst operating system in the history of man that has only two pieces of compatible software and blue screens if you move the mouse too fast. Anyway, the point was that it does run the two pieces of software that were specified to be incompatible. The rest was in response to the turtle on vicodin comment. So while my rant doesn't mean everything, it does mean something. If you're actually interested in the OS's performance and you have something you'd like me to try as a test, then let me know, otherwise you're just trying to shoot the messenger. I won't presume to know precisely where you're coming from. If you have actually USED vista for anything signficant, then by all means, enlighten me.
besides, there was probably an update running in the background.. =]
You forgot to add Notepad, Calculator, and Paint. Do you even have any idea what you're talking about.
Well, I'm something of a computer expert, so yes, I think I have an idea what I'm talking about. I never claimed I wrote a new prime95, I just spent 3 minutes shooting down some fud. I think it was 3 minutes well spent.
Your post is coming off pretty silly with this "multitasking test" if you ask me.
Are you kidding me? You spread fud saying office 03 and studio 05 are incompatible with vista, so I do you one better by not only running both but by multitasking the living hell out of it, and I'm silly? Now, don't get me wrong. I *am* silly, but it has nothing to do with multitasking.
What I'm speaking about is personal experience
No, actually I don't think you are. I'm the one speaking from personal experience. VISTA == PRETTY DECENT
and the experience of many other people who's job is to care about those things
Like who? People who have a vested interest in seeing microsoft fail? Performance junkies who live and die by 3 frames per second? Enterprise IT managers who don't want to switch because XP is good enough? Pirates and anarchists wanting to buck the establishment? These are all valid opinions (except the first), but take it with a grain of context.
but hell, if you can run few copies of Access and not get "death by multitasking" (?) then I must be Microsoft hater spreading FUD.
By saying that vista is slow as a turtle on vicodin and that it won't run some important software, you are spreading FUD. Whether you hate ms or not, you (and I mean "you plural" here) do everyone a disservice by spreading falsehoods, whether intentional or not.
Vista isn't going to cure cancer, teach you to program, or print money for you, but it is a competent os that basically does what os's do. It's stable, reliable, and shockingly compatible (I'm not shocked, but some people are). It is definitely on the upper end of GOOD on the overall goodness scale.
MS and Windows do so many things worthy of criticism, just stick with the facts. OS non-religious, FTW
More amusing are the comparisons I've heard about how fast Vista is: "slow as a dying dog", "as a overweight grandma on a treadmill", "turtle on vicodin", "turtle dipped in mud climbing uphills"... Microsoft's own software (Office 2003, VS 2005, etc.) isn't compatible with their own OS right now.
OMFG, I just can't let this stand. I don't know if you know this or not, but you're full of crap. I almost hope you're being malicious and not just ignorant. I'm running Vista Business X64 on an original pentium d, 3.0, with 2gigs of pc3200 ddr, and a $40 video card. As a test, I just tried to beat this pc to death by multitasking the following: excel 2003, excel 2007, word 2003, word 2007, access 2003, access 2007, publisher 2003, publisher 2007, visual studio 2003, visual studio 2005, windows media player 11 (playing an mp3 with visualization running, coldfusion studio, firefox, ie7, opera, photoshop 7, thunderbird, and last but not least, Taskman.exe. Keep in mind these are all 32bit apps running on x64, so I'm taking an even bigger performance hit than usual.
Now, before I slap you down for spouting FUD, would you care to wager a guess as to my overall system usage and responsiveness during multitasking? Based on your statements above, I should not even be able to submit this post right? Hell, I should be experiencing an 8 second delay by now from when I press a key to when I see it appear in the text box. Would you guess that each app was as responsive as when I only had one or two open? Maybe you'd guess that it was starting to chunk just a tad but was still usable? Maybe you think I got a blue screen and had to reboot to post this? An honest guess, please.. preferably an educated guess
I don't expect anyone to fall to their knees and kiss Vista's feet, but for the love of God, give credit where credit is due, otherwise it's like the boy who cried wolf, and when something serious finally comes to light, it will be drowned out in a sea of "OMG, Vista is teh suxorz, lol". Karma be damned, you fud spreaders are about to start hearing from me.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on both points then. I know how networking works, and certainly the devil is in the details, plus I condensed a 4 page proposal into a single paragraph, but the technology works just the way I described. I'm talking http over a second port with legal restrictions on traffic for that port. Since it would naturally be a new (unused) port, nobody should have beef with the govt staking a claim. I can see reasons why some people would be uncomfortable with it, but it would provide a real solution to a real problem without affecting a single thing about the way business is currently done. Maybe you can't do it, but I know damn good and well that I can do it.
Regarding wiggling the mouse and whatnot, you're hanging on specifics too much on that one point. I'm just saying show your kid that you have the capability of executing complete remote control if you choose to. Wiggling the mouse is just a bold example. Parenting is all about a well rounded approach. Remote desktop tools are nice for administration if nothing else, but having your kid know that you are the master of the household is a reasonable part of a well rounded approach. It drives me nuts when a parent asks a legitimate question about kids with computers, and virginal farktards pipe up with "be a better parent" and completely dismiss the technical side. Don's dismiss either side.
Install something like pcanywhere or radmin that allows you to take over the desktop remotely, wiggle the mouse, etc, then let the kid know that you can do anything you want. Maybe even show then that you can get screen captures while you're away, etc. Then simply say "I don't want to spy on you, but if you make me suspicious, I can and will bust you".. Raising a well adjusted kid helps too.
I think this issue is going to come up more and more as time goes on, though. I had an idea for a system of having approved web sites run their web servers on port 80 plus a newly designated "clean" port, and then parents can block port 80. It would effectively be a white list. There wouldn't be much, if any motivation to publish porn onto the clean port since it would be predominantly brokeass kids using it. Also since it is a newly designated port, the US could require international WAN link operators to restrict traffic such that servers must be inside the US, which would have the effect of establishing an actual enforcible jurisdiction. And of course it is a trivial matter to have most web servers respond to two ports. So the strengths would be ease of implementation, white list certainty, no international loophole, lack of motivation to thwart the system.
And then when the lady from the OP asks, just tell her to lock down port 80 and use the alternate port with all the white list material. If properly marketted, the white list network would contain a vast majority of the non-porn internet.
We want to assure our customers and partners that they can continue to rely on SCO products, support and services for their business critical operations
I'm sure both customers are greatly comforted by those kind words of encouragement.
I imagine more of the low level workers must have to drink themselves to sleep at night.. and I bet they're having an epidemic of office supply theft right about now =]
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Um, many systems can't handle 8G of ram. Windows (32 bit) can't handle more than around 3G (the exact number depends on what devices you have installed.)
;] In fact, I think half-bit will be my diminutive du jour, as in "Why did apple go back to half bit?"
Again, if you can afford $30/gig, you can afford.... etc
64 bit windows and Linux can address lots of memory however, assuming your motherboard can (which many can't.)
There's a reason it's called the bleeding edge.. I've been running 64bit for years, btw.. I scoff at the half bitted plebes
But besides the limitations above, it makes sense to "swap out" the parts of memory you are not using. No sense in putting 8G of real ram in when 4G will be unused code that would have been in swap (not just the money cost, but also electrical cost.)
I know why it's there and what it does, I'm just saying that if OS's want double the ram every 3-4 years, but ram doubles in capacity/dollar every year, then eventually we should be able to get rid of swap. I mean, lord knows I do use it, but it has always kind of irked me for some reason. And of course if your goal is to ditch swap, then there is sense in it. Unless you need your swap to persist between boots, there's no sense in committing it to disk anyway.
At least with Linux and OS's that use a partition you don't have to worry about the damn thing getting fragmented. Dunno how much of an issue that is with Windows these days, but back in the day if your swap size was adjustable (and it was by default) it could get heavily fragmented.
Oh yeah, how does a solid state drive handle fragmentation? I have heard that they don't fragment, but not from reliable sources, and I just don't see how that is possible unless there is some built in mechanism to close gaps on the fly or something. If you fill the disk full then selectively delete files around the disk and then write one big file, it will fragment. Maybe fragmentation is a moot point (is it?) but that's not the same thing as not having physical fragmentation. It seems like an SSD would still need pointers of some kind.
Nah, if you can afford $30/gig for the "hard drive" you can afford to dump 8gigs or more into it and ditch swap.
Seems pretty serious either way, and it has me wishing I'd turned off the automatic update service on my only Windows PC. It's too late now, but you can bet it won't get internet access until after that's disabled when I format that machine next.
I think part of the compaint with this one is that it installs even with the update service was off.. well, depending on how far you go with turning it off. If you literally disable the service instead of just telling it not to update, that might do it. I seem to recall reading in the thread that it was a fairly persistent update.
Here's the original in case you missed it.. lots of info in the thread: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/15/2040259
In case you're stuck in a loop reading that response looking for the segue, no you're not crazy, and yes that really did just happen.
I'm with you on the stupid jury thing, in theory, except I kind of doubt that smart people are more likely to skip it than dumb people. I would guess that people who are generally apathetic are more likely to skip it? Do people really ditch out on jury duty as some form of sticking it to the man or something or out of laziness or what?
I'd actually like to server. I'm 31, I've had a drivers license for half that, and I'm registered to vote, but I've never been called for jury duty. Who's a guy have to sleep with to get called?
by prefacing it with "not to be pedantic, but"
Are you joking? Do they really make a gentoo video?! I thought it was all ultra basic? Bah, bevermind, I looked it up.. heh, now I see what you did there!
As an amd+nvidia fan, I have been quietly hoping all involved will take the high road. I can see AMD putting more resources to back ati, but I hope amd doesn't actively spurn nvidia. It's funny, but I'm actually a bit afraid to read up on it just in case they are fighting. I guess I'm not above a tinge of fanboyism occasionally.
They're just pimping a Viper while hoping to sell more Neons.. ssdd.. Price:performance is still competitive, but Intel owns the high end at the moment.
It's funny what you say about the 20% faster, though. In high end tech terms, that 20% is full scale mind blowing dominance. 100fps versus 120fps, heh.. what, that's not worth an extra couple grand to you?
I bet this pc's refrigerator cost more than my whole computer.
Unless it's so fat that the exhaust velocity drops low, backs up gas in the pipe, and actually *creates* backpressure. You could also have so much cam overlap that you need some backpressure to make the air/fuel stay in the cylinder while waiting for the exhaust valve to close. Everything in moderation, friend, especially stickers, wings, and fart cans.
Well, I was joking (which I'm sure you knew and are just being pedantic) but if you want to be serious, then I think have too much faith in man to do things well and for the right reason. If man falls to machine, it will be due partly to evil and partly to incompetence.
People already trust computers too much.
I just posted this elsewhere, but it fits here too. (I couldn't agree more, btw)
The day the computers can read what we're looking at and know us well enough to offer an even remotely successful guess at what comes next will be the day the computer decides it doesn't need us anymore. And I think we all know what happens when the computers decide they don't need us anymore.
On the topic of shopping algorithms, I love it when I look at a book, and it says people who bought this book also bought these other 3 books, plus this waffle iron. (ok, one site in particular)
Slashdot and Fark are the closest thing I need to a mashup. The second my life gets so complicated that I need 18 web site portions shoehorned into the next frankenstein's monster, that will be the day I move to the country and open a bakery.
Coincidentally, the day the computers can read what we're looking at and know us well enough to offer an even remotely successful guess at what comes next will be the day the computer decides it doesn't need me anymore. And I think we all know what happens when the computers decide they don't need us anymore.
And while I still have a bad attitude, I'll add that I'm getting tired of kids thinking they "made something". Listen, kid, did you actually make ANYTHING on that page? Besides the poorly written prose reflecting on whether or not Vanilla Ice really can dance better than any Kidd or Play, your page mostly looks like a combination of non-anti-aliased animated gifs that clash with your background and a few youtube videos that you didn't write, film, produce, rip, or even upload yourself, and only 50/50 chance you even found it yourself. Well job, newb, well job. Nevermind that you contributed maybe a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the total time it took to create that page.
Sorry for the ot in the third p, I'm still a little upset after being eye-raped by some myspace pages at work last week and then being told mine sucks because it's too plain. Heh, elegant simplicity, young padawan. Wisdom comes from typing less and reading more.
Maw, fetch mah belt an' crimpin iron!
- Come on! Think outside the box. Buy the ISP local to you, then mandate service in your area. Simple, no?
Lol, the bastard cousin of the "and since you have the source you can make the changes yourself!" argumentI hate those codenames.. not just ubuntu, but basically everything. Who started it? And don't say the military, because they're the only ones that do it right. There is just something magical about good old fashioned version numbers, where anybody can look at it and tell which one is more recent. It strikes the nerve in me right next to the nerve that took a hit when MS changed the "network" icon to "network neighboorhood" and then "my network places".. gag me with a spoon for real, y0. This is the *real* pussification of America.
I wonder would it be possible to make it much more difficult to spoof the from headers in email? If spam could at least be traced back it would act as a deterrent or make it easier to shut down open relays. Right now it's just too easy to put any old crap in the from line.
So on one hand, my opinion is the gold standard, and on the other hand, my tests are crap? You could just concentrate on my conclusion that vista is pretty decent, because I'm pretty sure that was in my post. Or else you could run it yourself for a while on decent hardware and see what you think and perhaps share your conclusions with the crowd. Then there is the ever popular third option of spouting fud in public. All I'm asking for is fairness in conversation. In my opinion, Vista is getting a really bad rap on Slashdot by people whom I cannot help but suspect are not fit to judge (more precisely, they ARE fit to judge, but can't be bothered to try it).
I ran 1gb for 6 months just fine, but it is definitely more responsive with 2gb. But no, I won't be downgrading to please the unpleasable.
If I wrote down notes, I tended to miss parts of the lecture, usually important stuff.
I didn't have that problem with the notebook.
Amen to that, I write super slow, and it takes too much concentration. If I don't try to take notes and just pay attention, I retain fairly well, but if try to take notes, I'm screwed. Not only do I tune out some of the prof's lecture, but I typically can't even keep up fast enough to have a complete set of notes at the end anyway, so I'm double screwed.. I never did try taking notes on a laptop, though.. I wish they were more common back then, but I'd have felt like I was sticking out too much.. plus all the clicking..
Lol, heh, yes, but this is Vista, the worst operating system in the history of man that has only two pieces of compatible software and blue screens if you move the mouse too fast. Anyway, the point was that it does run the two pieces of software that were specified to be incompatible. The rest was in response to the turtle on vicodin comment. So while my rant doesn't mean everything, it does mean something. If you're actually interested in the OS's performance and you have something you'd like me to try as a test, then let me know, otherwise you're just trying to shoot the messenger. I won't presume to know precisely where you're coming from. If you have actually USED vista for anything signficant, then by all means, enlighten me.
besides, there was probably an update running in the background.. =]
You forgot to add Notepad, Calculator, and Paint. Do you even have any idea what you're talking about.
Well, I'm something of a computer expert, so yes, I think I have an idea what I'm talking about. I never claimed I wrote a new prime95, I just spent 3 minutes shooting down some fud. I think it was 3 minutes well spent.
Your post is coming off pretty silly with this "multitasking test" if you ask me.
Are you kidding me? You spread fud saying office 03 and studio 05 are incompatible with vista, so I do you one better by not only running both but by multitasking the living hell out of it, and I'm silly? Now, don't get me wrong. I *am* silly, but it has nothing to do with multitasking.
What I'm speaking about is personal experience
No, actually I don't think you are. I'm the one speaking from personal experience.
VISTA == PRETTY DECENT
and the experience of many other people who's job is to care about those things
Like who? People who have a vested interest in seeing microsoft fail? Performance junkies who live and die by 3 frames per second? Enterprise IT managers who don't want to switch because XP is good enough? Pirates and anarchists wanting to buck the establishment? These are all valid opinions (except the first), but take it with a grain of context.
but hell, if you can run few copies of Access and not get "death by multitasking" (?) then I must be Microsoft hater spreading FUD.
By saying that vista is slow as a turtle on vicodin and that it won't run some important software, you are spreading FUD. Whether you hate ms or not, you (and I mean "you plural" here) do everyone a disservice by spreading falsehoods, whether intentional or not.
Vista isn't going to cure cancer, teach you to program, or print money for you, but it is a competent os that basically does what os's do. It's stable, reliable, and shockingly compatible (I'm not shocked, but some people are). It is definitely on the upper end of GOOD on the overall goodness scale.
MS and Windows do so many things worthy of criticism, just stick with the facts.
OS non-religious, FTW
More amusing are the comparisons I've heard about how fast Vista is: "slow as a dying dog", "as a overweight grandma on a treadmill", "turtle on vicodin", "turtle dipped in mud climbing uphills"... Microsoft's own software (Office 2003, VS 2005, etc.) isn't compatible with their own OS right now.
OMFG, I just can't let this stand. I don't know if you know this or not, but you're full of crap. I almost hope you're being malicious and not just ignorant. I'm running Vista Business X64 on an original pentium d, 3.0, with 2gigs of pc3200 ddr, and a $40 video card. As a test, I just tried to beat this pc to death by multitasking the following: excel 2003, excel 2007, word 2003, word 2007, access 2003, access 2007, publisher 2003, publisher 2007, visual studio 2003, visual studio 2005, windows media player 11 (playing an mp3 with visualization running, coldfusion studio, firefox, ie7, opera, photoshop 7, thunderbird, and last but not least, Taskman.exe. Keep in mind these are all 32bit apps running on x64, so I'm taking an even bigger performance hit than usual.
Now, before I slap you down for spouting FUD, would you care to wager a guess as to my overall system usage and responsiveness during multitasking? Based on your statements above, I should not even be able to submit this post right? Hell, I should be experiencing an 8 second delay by now from when I press a key to when I see it appear in the text box. Would you guess that each app was as responsive as when I only had one or two open? Maybe you'd guess that it was starting to chunk just a tad but was still usable? Maybe you think I got a blue screen and had to reboot to post this? An honest guess, please.. preferably an educated guess
I don't expect anyone to fall to their knees and kiss Vista's feet, but for the love of God, give credit where credit is due, otherwise it's like the boy who cried wolf, and when something serious finally comes to light, it will be drowned out in a sea of "OMG, Vista is teh suxorz, lol". Karma be damned, you fud spreaders are about to start hearing from me.
VISTA == PRETTY DECENT
OS non-religious, ftw.
We'll just have to agree to disagree on both points then. I know how networking works, and certainly the devil is in the details, plus I condensed a 4 page proposal into a single paragraph, but the technology works just the way I described. I'm talking http over a second port with legal restrictions on traffic for that port. Since it would naturally be a new (unused) port, nobody should have beef with the govt staking a claim. I can see reasons why some people would be uncomfortable with it, but it would provide a real solution to a real problem without affecting a single thing about the way business is currently done. Maybe you can't do it, but I know damn good and well that I can do it.
Regarding wiggling the mouse and whatnot, you're hanging on specifics too much on that one point. I'm just saying show your kid that you have the capability of executing complete remote control if you choose to. Wiggling the mouse is just a bold example. Parenting is all about a well rounded approach. Remote desktop tools are nice for administration if nothing else, but having your kid know that you are the master of the household is a reasonable part of a well rounded approach. It drives me nuts when a parent asks a legitimate question about kids with computers, and virginal farktards pipe up with "be a better parent" and completely dismiss the technical side. Don's dismiss either side.
Install something like pcanywhere or radmin that allows you to take over the desktop remotely, wiggle the mouse, etc, then let the kid know that you can do anything you want. Maybe even show then that you can get screen captures while you're away, etc. Then simply say "I don't want to spy on you, but if you make me suspicious, I can and will bust you".. Raising a well adjusted kid helps too.
I think this issue is going to come up more and more as time goes on, though. I had an idea for a system of having approved web sites run their web servers on port 80 plus a newly designated "clean" port, and then parents can block port 80. It would effectively be a white list. There wouldn't be much, if any motivation to publish porn onto the clean port since it would be predominantly brokeass kids using it. Also since it is a newly designated port, the US could require international WAN link operators to restrict traffic such that servers must be inside the US, which would have the effect of establishing an actual enforcible jurisdiction. And of course it is a trivial matter to have most web servers respond to two ports. So the strengths would be ease of implementation, white list certainty, no international loophole, lack of motivation to thwart the system.
And then when the lady from the OP asks, just tell her to lock down port 80 and use the alternate port with all the white list material. If properly marketted, the white list network would contain a vast majority of the non-porn internet.
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I imagine more of the low level workers must have to drink themselves to sleep at night.. and I bet they're having an epidemic of office supply theft right about now =]