Yea it's kinda like the difference between buying a car to learn about cars
and buying all the parts you need to make a car to learn about cars
Its also the easier way to convert your mom to Linux, because if it shows up that way its not something you personaly 'messed up.'
Kindof ironic if you think about it in the context of Linux vs. Windows and what is actually borken.
Whoever appeals to the general public and doesn't alienate themself with overly strong opinions. Someone who recognizes strengths and weaknesses in all platforms and summarizes that, but puts a spin on their own favorite platform.
Yea because that's exactly how it hapens in regular political debates.
IMO this would be another waste of time, if it wasn't for the fact that its
recognizing Linux as a credible OS. Most non-technical people I know have
never heard of Unix let alone Linux
http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5152980814. html
See this for a good explination of why the rt preemption patch is needed.
Note: this test was done with 2.4 kernel and most of the rt patch from Ingo Molnar
has already been merged with the mainline (not totaly for all arches though) as of 2.6.18.
IMHO this distro of ubuntu could also be used as a great base robuntu (any one have a better name?)
predictable real time responses in the 10's of microseconds is a good thing for robots and audio/video.
Has any one ever given thought to what if WE are the first advanced race?
I mean how old is our planet and life on it compared to the Galaxy?
We have had a fair number of mass extinctions but over all I'd say we've been pretty lucky.
You will, if you have to develop software targeting multiple OS/CPU vs one (and I don't mean making a web page in Python or PHP, but actual programming, say C++).
Well I'm developing code for a gumstix (400mhz Intel X-scale processor bassed on the ARM architecture, no FPU),
and I can write all my code for my laptop(x86), then just cross compile it and it works exactly the same.
Why is that? ohhhh, yea they are both running Linux. so that covers your multiple CPU problem.
Then we look at the multiple os problem...I mean if you have never heard of Java or QT, then I guess this would sound like a huge problem.
So does any one wonder if there is ever going to be a 2.8 or a 3.0 Kernel?
This is just speculation but...
I'm guessing as soon as Ingo Molnar and friends get the real time premption patch fully
merged into the mainline we'll see a new Kernel release (not a 2.6.x+1)
I don't believe that either side has it right. You want to look at some
startling stuff look at the Biomass estimations for when the dinosaurs
were around. And then look at the estimated temperature of the time. It was
WAY WAY warmer back then. There were Dinosaurs living where Antartica is.
I don't think the current oil reserves we have will be enough to affect the temperature
that much. I agree that we need to look at a different way of doing things but
the economics of fixing everything by the end of next year would be extremely unpredictable.
Better to change the economy slowly than quickly. Worse wars get started when
the economy changes too quickly.
By the way, to all you people who are saying "WE NEED TO CHANGE NOW": that change starts
at home.Ride your goddam bikes and don't buy SUV's, Here In Montana I see way to many
hippies trying to buy bio-degradable soap while they drive their SUV around town...it's rather pathetic.
Can anybody name one app, accessible to end users (e.g., no recompiling required), that is compatible with the Sugar UI, mesh networking
I'm not shure how much recompiling would be required.
The AMD Geode processor is x86, it's just slower for power consumption reasons
And I'm willing to bet that the mesh network can be used just like eth0.
After All when people use Bluetooth for the internet (pand) it acts just like any other interface.
I think you need to take a look at how GNU/Linux works (on any platform) before you start freaking out.
I think your atributing a negative to something that can't be helped.
After all you want saftey critical systems to run on super tested hardware don't you?
I don't think the point of Gnu/Linux is to 'win'.
The point it to provide a free alternative that works better.
And since it does not behold to the same economic pressures
that most software does, I don't see microsoft makeing it go
away as easily.
But that's my oppinon...you can choose what ever OS you want to.
I think you missed the point that this has already been done in Linux.
So Microsoft is the one doing the 'emulating' and passing it off for 'inovation'.
Its called Player/Stage/Gazebo and it has been out for a couple of years.
Here's the proof from SourceForge:
Date: 2002-01-11 15:48
Summary: Player/Stage 1.1 released
I look at the trends that are now starting to converge, I can envision a future in which robotic devices will become a nearly ubiquitous part of our day-to-day lives.
And he wants to charge a royalty for every robot made...
Seems like we are seeing another attempt at market strangulation and repression.
To bad for him GPL'd projects are already out there.
My oppinion is that MS is just ripping off another good idea. Just as well though,
with the prior art of Player they won't be able to thow a patent on it, so they
won't be able to make money off of it unless they hook people with the 'free for now'
approach. Kinda like they their EDGI approach.
I run Linux on my Laptop. I don't recall it ever being a turd.
And as far as I know yes, Mac OSX is the only UNIX that runs on a laptop...
But Unix is Unix...Linux is Linux... POSIX they both may be...
But it's a serious point. The amount of human lifetimes that are wasted waiting for PC's to reboot is pretty horrifying - and there's a lot more than a million of them. Someone should take this seriously.
I hate those MRI and CAT scan computers...they've never saved any one by taking less time to boot...
That doesn't preclude Novell from being inadvertently evil...
It also doesn't preclude MS from being out and out evil...
People always say two wrongs don't make a right...
Imagine a world where MS and Linux worked even 25% together than they do now. ...So if Microsoft actualy works 50% of the time and it works with Linux 25% of the time
that means that Microsoft would actualy work 12.5% of the time with Linux...
that doesn't seem like a good return for the money sunk in development time
but that's nothing Microsoft has to worry about they'll just point the finger
at Novell and say "why don't you fix that"
Yea....sounds great.
Slashdot Mirror
Yea it's kinda like the difference between buying a car to learn about cars
and buying all the parts you need to make a car to learn about cars
Its also the easier way to convert your mom to Linux, because if it shows up that way its not something you personaly 'messed up.'
Kindof ironic if you think about it in the context of Linux vs. Windows and what is actually borken.
Yea because that's exactly how it hapens in regular political debates.
IMO this would be another waste of time, if it wasn't for the fact that its
recognizing Linux as a credible OS. Most non-technical people I know have
never heard of Unix let alone Linux
Ubuntu laptops. http://system76.com/.
Cheapest linux laptops around although R Cubed
is a litte bit more pricey but had better OS selection.
http://www.shoprcubed.com/
http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5152980814. html
See this for a good explination of why the rt preemption patch is needed.
Note: this test was done with 2.4 kernel and most of the rt patch from Ingo Molnar
has already been merged with the mainline (not totaly for all arches though) as of 2.6.18.
IMHO this distro of ubuntu could also be used as a great base robuntu (any one have a better name?)
predictable real time responses in the 10's of microseconds is a good thing for robots and audio/video.
Has any one ever given thought to what if WE are the first advanced race?
I mean how old is our planet and life on it compared to the Galaxy?
We have had a fair number of mass extinctions but over all I'd say we've been pretty lucky.
Well I'm developing code for a gumstix (400mhz Intel X-scale processor bassed on the ARM architecture, no FPU),
and I can write all my code for my laptop(x86), then just cross compile it and it works exactly the same.
Why is that? ohhhh, yea they are both running Linux. so that covers your multiple CPU problem.
Then we look at the multiple os problem...I mean if you have never heard of Java or QT, then I guess this would sound like a huge problem.
What if the GPL their patent?
So does any one wonder if there is ever going to be a 2.8 or a 3.0 Kernel?
This is just speculation but...
I'm guessing as soon as Ingo Molnar and friends get the real time premption patch fully
merged into the mainline we'll see a new Kernel release (not a 2.6.x+1)
I don't believe that either side has it right. You want to look at some
startling stuff look at the Biomass estimations for when the dinosaurs
were around. And then look at the estimated temperature of the time. It was
WAY WAY warmer back then. There were Dinosaurs living where Antartica is.
I don't think the current oil reserves we have will be enough to affect the temperature
that much. I agree that we need to look at a different way of doing things but
the economics of fixing everything by the end of next year would be extremely unpredictable.
Better to change the economy slowly than quickly. Worse wars get started when
the economy changes too quickly.
By the way, to all you people who are saying "WE NEED TO CHANGE NOW": that change starts
at home.Ride your goddam bikes and don't buy SUV's, Here In Montana I see way to many
hippies trying to buy bio-degradable soap while they drive their SUV around town...it's rather pathetic.
The AMD Geode processor is x86, it's just slower for power consumption reasons
And I'm willing to bet that the mesh network can be used just like eth0.
After All when people use Bluetooth for the internet (pand) it acts just like any other interface.
I think you need to take a look at how GNU/Linux works (on any platform) before you start freaking out.
I think your atributing a negative to something that can't be helped.
After all you want saftey critical systems to run on super tested hardware don't you?
I don't think the point of Gnu/Linux is to 'win'.
The point it to provide a free alternative that works better.
And since it does not behold to the same economic pressures
that most software does, I don't see microsoft makeing it go
away as easily.
But that's my oppinon...you can choose what ever OS you want to.
except in the end microsoft doesn't have a bill of rights for it's users...maybe that is the issue....
retard growth
I hereby declare this the best description of Microsoft's R&D.
So Microsoft is the one doing the 'emulating' and passing it off for 'inovation'.
Its called Player/Stage/Gazebo and it has been out for a couple of years.
Here's the proof from SourceForge:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/playerstage
I completly missed this in my first analysis but I
believe this will kickstart the new botnet revolution.
ducks and runs
Seems like we are seeing another attempt at market strangulation and repression.
To bad for him GPL'd projects are already out there.
My oppinion is that MS is just ripping off another good idea. Just as well though,
with the prior art of Player they won't be able to thow a patent on it, so they
won't be able to make money off of it unless they hook people with the 'free for now'
approach. Kinda like they their EDGI approach.
I'm not sure enough people get the NGE allusion
I run Linux on my Laptop. I don't recall it ever being a turd.
And as far as I know yes, Mac OSX is the only UNIX that runs on a laptop...
But Unix is Unix...Linux is Linux... POSIX they both may be...
I hate those MRI and CAT scan computers...they've never saved any one by taking less time to boot...
Dude! You missed the perfect pun! Let me help:
I'd prefer it wasn't there to begin with, but hey, the word isn't perfect.
That doesn't preclude Novell from being inadvertently evil...
It also doesn't preclude MS from being out and out evil...
People always say two wrongs don't make a right...
that means that Microsoft would actualy work 12.5% of the time with Linux...
that doesn't seem like a good return for the money sunk in development time
but that's nothing Microsoft has to worry about they'll just point the finger
at Novell and say "why don't you fix that"
Yea....sounds great.
Yea, I'd call all of PR just great.
I mean they are my #1 favorite company right now. </sarcasm>