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Many New Species Found Under Antarctica
gt_mattex writes to tell us The Globe and Mail is reporting that quite a few new species have been found in the ocean beneath the Antarctic ice. From the article: "It is too early to say exactly how many new species were discovered in the Antarctic, many in the Weddell Sea, where ice crushed the ship of Antarctic explorer Ernest Shackleton in 1915. The scientists saw more strange creatures than familiar ones, says Ron O'Dor, an expert in octopuses and squid from Halifax's Dalhousie University and the chief scientist in charge of producing the first marine life census of the planet by 2010."
Ernest Shackelton is Chuck Norris's father.
Is this the initial stage of the Second Impact?
It's been millenia and we still don't know all the life on our planet. I always look forward to articles like this, they really tell us how little we do know.
"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson
"A school of fish the size of Manhattan off the New Jersey coast. About 20 million herring were travelling together."
... *sigh*
That soon we'll find ways to make ocean life go extinct in those parts which so far relativly are protected from our interferance.. With our normal area's of fishing drying up quickly, how long will it take before we go and do our thing there too
Here comes the Second Impact. Glad I'm a couple hundred miles inland and not living in Japan...
I keep telling myself I'm not the desperate type.
IT's the ANCIENT outpost
So they have about 3 years to catalog all the life in the ocean? ahh hahahhaha
"octopi and squids"? :-)
Currently hooked on AMP
I get suspicious whenever a creature purported to have gone extinct X million years ago is discovered alive and well.
It seems to happen with some regularity.
It seems to me, if you find a fossil of an animal you believe to be extinct, you will probably test it with the assumption it is of relatively old age.
I think you probably find what you're looking for.
Anyway, not trying to start a flame war. But that's probably going to happen anyway. ("YOU IGNORANT BASTARD DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW DATING WORKS!!!")
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Naaah. Since they never probably evolve near humans, they couldn't possibility be harmful. But that is just my uninformed opinion though.
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Or should that be base 256?
"Somebody in this camp ain't what he appears to be. Right now that may be one or two of us. By spring, it could be all of us."
I value politeness. If you extend it to me, I'll extend it to you.
The article describes some pretty odd creatures.
I mean, without a picture of that centimeter-in-diameter protozoan, how the hell am I supposed to imagine how it looks like, much less the more important facets of such a discovery... such as how does it taste?
And no one has said it so here goes...
I for one welcome our new, aquatic overlords.
*ducks to avoid tomatoes and beer cans*
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how tasty they are.
Would you kindly mod me +1 insightful?
Other then that
;)
Seek also the difference between "then" and "than"
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See them now before global warming and oceanic acidification make them all extinct.
Sure they could be harmful. In fact, where two species evolve seperately, it is less likely that they'll be able to coexist peacefully. Just look at the species that have been introduced to Australia.
I think the greater danger here, though, is that humans will disturb or destroy the new-found species or their habitats.
You've never been to Australia, have you.
Fly me to the moon Let me sing among those stars Let me see what spring is like On jupiter and mars
I for one welcome our exotic new sushi overlords.
I'm Feeling Hungry(tm)!
My god -- it's full of geeks.
What changed under Obama? Nothing Good
I'm not sure enough people get the NGE allusion
Money is the root of all evil?
Yes but have they found any evidence of Elder Things yet? Or at the very least some Shoggoths?
that little nugget of news was reason to find cheer, i think
a colossal school of herring? off new jersey? isn't that good news?
why the despondent reaction to that news item? there are certainly tons of news items to find depressing reactions to about ocean life and man's hungry stomach... but that particular nugget of news is reason to cheer, don't you think?
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
As in just fell out of the tree of evolution?
...bah....
Those critter are most likely checking out the mini-subs and shaking their heads and thinking "Oh, look! A new species!"
but, anyways, here you go, lotsa pictures
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
take the common wood louse, that you can find under any rock in any forest
now, blow it up a thousand fold in size
there you go, running around the ocean floor
amazing indeed
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Any large black rectangular structures waiting the for the completion date? ;)
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
(John Wyndham's novel still gives me the creeps. That and Day of the Triffids. But as best as I can tell, the survey hasn't turned up any underwater Triffids. Yet.)
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Everything in Australia is deadly. The spiders are deadly, the snakes are deadly, the crocodiles are deadly, the plants are deadly, the driving in Sydney is definitely deadly, the TV commercials are lethal... I never did find out what happened to those rabbits that escaped from a research facility on a Government-owned island and made it to shore, back in '95. As I recall, they were being used for some research into some lethal pathogen or other. Since there are Australians still alive, I take it that the crisis was brought under control, but that was cutting it a little fine. I guess we can add the Australian Government to things that are lethal, though.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
to count their blessings
if everything is doom and gloom to you, you soon sap any ability to keep working for improvement in the world
it means you've already given up
in a way, you've betrayed whatever it is you care about
find heart to carry on, or stop talking about the subject matter entirely
but to continue talking about something with pessimism, to continue talking about anything with pessimism, helps no one and nothing, including yourself
so stop talking about it and move on, or change your attitude about life in the ocean
seriously
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
Besides, in 15 years or less there won't be enough of a food chain in the oceans to sustain most of the organisms that do still exist and without a gene bank capable of storing that kind of volume of information there's no possibility of either having any usable data OR being able to revive the ecology once conditions have returned to saner levels. Collecting photos is all fine and good, but in not that long a time that is ALL we'll have, unless serious efforts are made to either conserve or genetically catalog.
(And, frankly, I can't see the US Government even getting past the planning stages in a mere 15 years - assuming it even got that far. As they're the only group with the clout and the money to build a center capable of analyzing and storing a few hundred million DNA/mtDNA databases in that kind of timeframe, most of the information currently in the oceans is beyond any possibility of recovery.)
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Next thing ya know, they'll be finding weird 6' starfruit with tentacles...
I've found that nurturing one's Zen nature is vital to dealing with technology. Violence is pretty damn useful too.
A new isle at the fish market!
Do not look into LASER with remaining eye!
You're forgetting the vegemite.
[Insert Croc Hunter joke here]
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if everything is doom and gloom to you, you soon sap any ability to keep working for improvement in the world
it means you've already given up
in a way, you've betrayed whatever it is you care about
I agree, for the most part, with what you say here. If you give up, you have betrayed whatever or whoever you care about. One should not give up. Find heart to carry on, or stop talking about the subject matter entirely
but to continue talking about something with pessimism, to continue talking about anything with pessimism, helps no one and nothing, including yourself
so stop talking about it and move on, or change your attitude about life in the ocean I think you are being overly harsh here. Should everyone disgusted with environmental abuses hide their voice? Will that accomplish anything? Clearly the answer is "NO". But that is perhaps not enough, I think you are saying. I think you are saying, help with solutions and action, not just your criticisms... Ideally, sure, that is better... but...
The entire human race (or the subset that has some sensibility) needs to scream STOP THE ABUSE - this action in itself is valuable. This man is doing just that and should be commended for it. You are telling him to shut-up or put-up and should re-think that position a bit. seriously
Seriously
It is your personal duty to fight for what is right on a daily basis. Ignoring injustice is identical to approving
i am attacking pessimism, and you act like i am attacking concern
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
It'll be interesting to see what they find in Lake Vostok, which is a freshwater lake as big as Lake Ontario and has been sealed under Antarctic ice for up to a million years.
Could be the perfect test for a Cryobot mission to Europa
One of these days I'm moving to Theory - everything works there
Naah, Vegemite is like 1080, only toxic to non-natives :)
You can learn a lot about a person if you just take the time to inject them with sodium pentathol
Latest report: scientists glimpsed body of Jimmy Hoffa... confirmation by Geraldo is pending.
Duh.
read it again
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
are octopuses, not octopi.
Attr. to Patricia T. O'Conner, as is the quote, "Octopi is for suckers".
I am not a crackpot.
Instead of listing all of the deadly things about Australia, it's much easier to list the non-deadly things:
- some of the sheep
Thanks Terry Pratchett.
NASA is planning on testing Europa probes on a pocket of liquid ice buried for centuries (millennia?) within Antarctica's ice. If there is an ecosystem inside, we will contaminate it. This research indicates the possibility of such an isolated ecosystem is higher than purely theoretical.
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And for those who don't even get the "NGE" reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neon_Genesis_Evangeli on_glossary#Second_Impact.
(And yes, I had to look it up myself.)
I never did find out what happened to those rabbits that escaped from a research facility on a Government-owned island and made it to shore, back in '95. As I recall, they were being used for some research into some lethal pathogen or other.
Fortunately, the pathogen ('calicivirus') was only lethal to rabbits. It was intended to help control the wild rabbit population, and was being tested to ensure that it was harmless to the native wildlife (and to humans), when it was accidentally released and achieved its objective a bit sooner than planned. This isn't the first time that a virus has been used to kill rabbits in Australia - myxomatosis was released back in 1950, and suppressed the rabbit population quite thoroughly for a couple of decades before they started to evolve immunity.
I've actually been camping on an island neighbouring the one where this testing was done, shortly after the virus was released.
I remember growing up in adelaide.
'don't' walk on the grass without shoes'
'don't lean on the hedges'
'don't go near the lizards'
'don't dig in the garden'
and in Broadbeach
'don't play with the jellyfish'
'don't go in the sea without shoes'
Not that these rules worked especially well on me, I broke almost all of them on a reguler basis, and so did my friends. It's amazing Aussie kids survive to adulthood.
I came to england at 7, and was shocked to find kids running from pissy little spiders and bee's....
Great comment, I'd mod it up if I could :P
:D
Neon Genesis Evangelion r0ckz!!
myxomatosis was released back in 1950, and suppressed the rabbit population quite thoroughly for a couple of decades before they started to evolve immunity.
Steady on. You'll start a flamewar with the creationists.
What if a bunch of rabbits intelligently designed immunity?
Quickly give the researchers guns and ammo!
"The deep ocean is free of sharks, which live at 1,500 metres or above."
Thank God.
TH
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they were right there, on the front pages of http://squidse.cx/ and http://octopuse.cx/..
Just goes to show how less we know about our own world. One of these days someone will come out of an old abandoned mine and declare that he has found a whole civilization living there! More on topic, take this for a sci-fi imagination: Alien :)
Politicians and Pedophiles: Two groups of exploitive bastards who are most dangerous when they're thinking of children.
somthing's scary about that being modded informative.. i guess it really is the initial stage! someone develop some big robots! quick!
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Which begs the question, how many octopuses and squid are there at Halifax's Dalhousie University?
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"A shrimp believed extinct for 50 million years ago was found on an underwater peak in the Coral Sea near Australia. It is has been nicknamed Jurassic Shrimp. It is the same colour as modern shrimp, but looks bulkier."
But how does it taste? What if it is better than all other shrimp!
I only look human.
My mother is a halfling and my dad is an ogre, so that makes me an Ogreling
Honestly, the human race is like a sugared-up two year old in an electronics store sometimes, without the parent saying "Don't touch that" eleventeen times.
-BA
Is 20 million herring sufficient to chop down the mightiest tree in the forest?
These articles have been posted as far back as March 2006, and possibly before:
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http://www.screaming-penguin.com/main.php?storyid
http://axlotl.net/wp/2006/03/09/kiwa-hirsuta/
(eww, rotten eggs)
and someone please develop some big batteries ffs
which is totally what she said
Don't forget the deadly stingrays!
Erm, too soon?
I think the greater danger here, though, is that humans will disturb or destroy the new-found species or their habitats.
I know I'm going to be!! I'm having trouble finding a watch that's rated to 5km, but there's got to be one for sale somewhere!which is totally what she said
We can use the interweb tubes. Duh.
There are many tongues to talk, and but few heads to think. -Victor Hugo
"You're everywhere. You're omnivorous."
with 20 million herring!
And don't forget koalas. They a lurking everywhere waiting for human flesh. Even a small koala can rip you apart in a matter of seconds.
Antarctica
Five minutes at partial power isn't enough for you?
Hey, anyone want to place an order for lunch? I'm going to that new S2 Engine place over on main street...
Those sheep are baaaaad news. They could lamb-chop you in half before you could say "mint sauce".
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
You neglected to mention the most lethal animal of all, the drop bear!