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The War On Campus Sexual Assault Goes Digital

HughPickens.com writes: According to a recent study of 27 schools, about one-quarter of female undergraduates said they had experienced nonconsensual sex or touching since entering college, but most of the students said they did not report it to school officials or support services. Now Natasha Singer reports at the NYT that in an effort to give students additional options — and to provide schools with more concrete data — a nonprofit software start-up in San Francisco called Sexual Health Innovations has developed an online reporting system for campus sexual violence. One of the most interesting features of Callisto is a matching system — in which a student can ask the site to store information about an assault in escrow and forward it to the school only if someone else reports another attack identifying the same assailant. The point is not just to discover possible repeat offenders. In college communities, where many survivors of sexual assault know their assailants, the idea of the information escrow is to reduce students' fears that the first person to make an accusation could face undue repercussions.

"It's this last option that makes Callisto unique," writes Olga Khazan. "Most rapes are committed by repeat offenders, yet most victims know their attackers. Some victims are reluctant to report assaults because they aren't sure whether a crime occurred, or they write it off as a one-time incident. Knowing about other victims might be the final straw that puts an end to their hesitation—or their benefit of the doubt. Callisto's creators claim that if they could stop perpetrators after their second victim, 60 percent of campus rapes could be prevented." This kind of system is based partly on a Michigan Law Review article about "information escrows," or systems that allow for the transmitting of sensitive information in ways that reduce "first-mover disadvantage" also known to economists as the "hungry penguin problem". As game theorist Michael Chwe points out, the fact that each person creates her report independently makes it less likely they'll later be accused of submitting copycat reports, if there are similarities between the incidents.

399 comments

  1. hugh pickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    lol gtfo

    1. Re:hugh pickens by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think this problem is WAAAY overblown from what it is....

      In the US, our society, the male is still expected to be the aggressor. And the girl still often does play somewhat hard to get. In the old days, what was called trying to get to 2nd - 3rd base, can now be called sexual assault, if the girl decides later (after the fact, much later) that's she's mad at the guy or pissed off, for nothing having to do with the mutual groping session.

      The PC society and over concern of things of this nature are sending mixed messages to young folks of both sexes.

      I'm not talking about overt rape, or violent sexual assault, but instead, redefining what is expected groping for want of a better term....where a girl expects the guy to be an aggressor. Guys often have doubts when and where to try, but know they are expected to. If you don't try some sexual advances, you are doomed to be relinquished to the dreaded "Friend Zone".

      *sigh*...what was once known as being a boy, is now termed ADHD and they drug them. What was known (and expected) as males trying for heavy petting, is now borderline (at least) sexual assault.

      Common sense on things like this have gone straight out the fucking window....I'm glad I'm not having to grow up in this day in age, with so many mixed messages...and the fear that a normal male with nomal (at least by recent history standards) sexual drives and attempts...can potentially have his life ruined by accusations and permanent exile to the sexual crimes lists out there....

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    2. Re: hugh pickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Friend Zone"

    3. Re:hugh pickens by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the US, our society, the male is still expected to be the aggressor. And the girl still often does play somewhat hard to get. In the old days, what was called trying to get to 2nd - 3rd base, can now be called sexual assault, if the girl decides later (after the fact, much later) that's she's mad at the guy or pissed off, for nothing having to do with the mutual groping session.

      Have you ever considered that even before this was commonly regarded as sexual assault it still wasn't okay? Maybe what you call "playing hard to get" was more like "rejecting the advances of". "Trying to get to 2nd - 3rd base" was more like "wearing her down until she gives in".

      Sadly, this is a technique used by pick-up artists. The famous "no means no until it means yes", where initial rejection is ignored or taken simply as a sign that more alcohol/pressure is required.

      Personally I've never needed to pester girls for sex. I get to know them, go on a few dates and then we both use subtle cues to escalate to sex, without any pressure or doubt that either of us might be uneasy about it. I really don't buy this argument that it's somehow necessary to be aggressive or hard to be completely consensual.

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    4. Re:hugh pickens by PeonPete · · Score: 1

      No, I havent.

    5. Re:hugh pickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      then we both use subtle cues to escalate to sex, without any pressure or doubt that either of us might be uneasy about it. I really don't buy this argument that it's somehow necessary to be aggressive or hard to be completely consensual.

      Luckily all the people you've met already knew the same subtle cues. Accidental problems occur when you read each other's cues differently. Not everyone uses the same cues and society never teaches them. The media teaches the opposite. Every kids movie and most adult movies show the male constantly wearing down the female until he wins her and she discovers he's her one true love with a happy ever after ending.

    6. Re:hugh pickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Clearly you did not grow up in the United States. The poster you are replying to is discussing the social and media programming of females that grew up in the United States. His words have no meaning for those in India, Iceland, or Ireland. That means that if you grew up in one of those places where females are programmed differently, then you should just be quiet.

    7. Re:hugh pickens by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Have you ever considered that even before this was commonly regarded as sexual assault it still wasn't okay? Maybe what you call "playing hard to get" was more like "rejecting the advances of". "Trying to get to 2nd - 3rd base" was more like "wearing her down until she gives in".

      Sadly, this is a technique used by pick-up artists.

      I mostly agree, there are two issues though, one touched on in yout last sentence I quoted. If a woman feels that the guy is being an idiot, she should get up and leave. Responsible guys have always been responsive to a "no". I grew up and sowed my share of wild oats. But any time a young lady told me " no thanks", we just settled back and watched the movie or TV. I didn't even sulk or anything.

      But now onto to the assholes. Yes, if a guy can't keep his hands to himself, and the woman doesn't want any of that, it's time to go. And while we've all heard the "Fuck or Walk" stories, but I've never heard of one campus assault performed in that manner. It's always been a frat party, or someone invited to the dorm room.

      But the problem with all of these matters is that while prudent guys will decide its simply better to LWA, the assholes won't be affected a bit. That's certainly how it worked in the Sexual Harassment wars of the late 80's on campus, and the prudent men decided that their careers were worth more than any sort of interaction with the women in the workforce - which by the way, pissed off most of the women - while the guys who harassed women didn't miss a beat.

      Ladies - if a guy assaults you - have him arrested. There's never an excuse for sexual assault. Programs are nice and all, but the power resides in your timely reportage.

      Guys? What's your future worth?

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    8. Re:hugh pickens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The times I have done what you say worked for you, I've been called "indecisive" and a more determined guy took my place. No matter what feminists say, they do not speak for the majority of women, who still want someone who initiates. It's not a game of equal powers.

      In college, and perhaps after, when our less-than-perfect partner choices and apparent promiscuity are bound to be criticized by our immediate friend circles, it is apparently important for women to be able to get plausible deniability by saying no first. Maybe getting drunk as well, so if anything happens, it's that rapist asshole not her.

    9. Re:hugh pickens by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      What exactly are we talking about here? Grab and take? Or just repeatedly asking? Begging?

      If a friend wants $5 to go buy lunch or a beer or something and I don't want to give it.. if he keeps bugging me, asking me for it, "wears me down until I give in" that isn't theft.

      By that same logic I don't think repeatedly asking for sex until she gives in is rape. It is annoying. It is behavior that should probably be responded to by cutting ties, not rewarded by sex. But it's not rape.

  2. Brilliant idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now if we only found an effective, level-headed way to deal with the agressors: granted, the agression has to stop (better after two reports than never, but one feels even that is two reports too late). Granted, the agressors carry a responsability for their deeds. But starting an irrational witch hunt seems contraproductive (remember "...the children") -- the agressors need help too.

    1. Re:Brilliant idea by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Now if we only found an effective, level-headed way to deal with the agressors: granted, the agression has to stop (better after two reports than never, but one feels even that is two reports too late). Granted, the agressors carry a responsability for their deeds. But starting an irrational witch hunt seems contraproductive (remember "...the children") -- the agressors need help too.

      It would certainly be nice(both for victimizations prevented and for people who don't need to be punished) if we found a way to reliably discourage people ahead of time; and prevent recidivism after the fact; but it's a bit much to say that 'aggressors need help too'.

      Last I checked, we have an ample supply of humans available, with no shortages expected. Prevention and rehabilitation may be morally desirable; but when you have access to ample spare parts; you can simply discard defective units rather than try to rework them.

    2. Re:Brilliant idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, and we can apply this to the physically/psychologically scarred victims as well. Just chuck them in the gutter to fend for themselves. Plenty more where they came from. I'm sure that the the large numbers of discarded humans will do us the favor of laying down and dying. There will be no unpleasant repercussions from such a policy, no sir.

    3. Re:Brilliant idea by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Now if we only found an effective, level-headed way to deal with the agressors: granted, the agression has to stop (better after two reports than never, but one feels even that is two reports too late).

      It's tough speaking to hormones, but if you avoid putting yourself into the situations the women will not be bothered, and you won't get into trouble.

      Sounds draconian, but quite effective.

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  3. Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or will they just assume the guy is guilty?

    "Hey, I don't like that guy. Let's all report him through the rape app. We're girls so we'll be believed over him, particularly by the media. The media will even believe us after it's been shown that we were lying because it fits with their narrative."

    1. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. The college administration will lynch the guy on the college green.

      You are such an idiot.

      Butt-hurt female detected.

    2. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      That's not how you do it, you create false reports a couple months apart. Then at least the police will have a very hard time proving false testimony for all but one of the reports. While the system still gives the earlier reports an air of false legitimacy.

      That's the only problem I have with it, as long as police/judges treat the earlier reports with enough suspicion I don't have a problem with it.

    3. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah. The college administration will lynch the guy on the college green.

      You are such an idiot.

      Nah, they'll just "suspend" EVERY SINGLE FRATERNITY over fabricated anti-white-male SJW BULLSHIT .

      Who's the idiot?

      Calling you an idiot would be an insult to idiots, you anencephalic howler monkey.

    4. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 0, Troll

      "Hey, I don't like that guy. Let's all report him through the rape app. We're girls so we'll be believed over him, particularly by the media. The media will even believe us after it's been shown that we were lying because it fits with their narrative."

      How is that different from what happens now?

      If a real rape happens, you go to the police, and you do it as soon as you can, you don't wait a couple of month (until you fall out with the guy, or until you need a suitable subject for an art project)

    5. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 0
      If you think about it, no matter what the circumstance, it's a bad idea:
      • If it's actually a real rape: the victim will have to wait for another crime to occur until her report will be given due attention. WTF?
      • If it is a "rape": if more than one feminist collude together, they still get to ruin a guy's life...
    6. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yeah. The college administration will lynch the guy on the college green.

      You are such an idiot.

      Butt-hurt female detected.

      Nah, SJW female who can't get laid because she's ugly enough to make a train take a dirt road.

      Or a pajama-boy sitzpinkler wuss trying to ingratiate himself with the ugly SJW female crowd so he can get laid - cuz no real woman can stand is metrosexual pussified nature.

    7. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      That's the only problem I have with it, as long as police/judges treat the earlier reports with enough suspicion I don't have a problem with it.

      There's no police here: this is about confidential, university investigations. One hopes that those investigators would actually contact those prior accusers as part of the investigation, but there are no formal rules of evidence for such panels, as there are for criminal investigations.

      Of course, the penalties they can impose are also much less severe. There's no jail time. There's no public disclosure. The worst that can happen is expulsion, and the university will not report the reason for expulsion - beyond academic or conduct. Nor will the university disclose any records at all without the student's (ie, the sanctioned) approval.

    8. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's the only problem I have with it, as long as police/judges treat the earlier reports with enough suspicion I don't have a problem with it.

      There's no police here: this is about confidential, university investigations. One hopes that those investigators would actually contact those prior accusers as part of the investigation, but there are no formal rules of evidence for such panels, as there are for criminal investigations.

      Of course, the penalties they can impose are also much less severe. There's no jail time. There's no public disclosure. The worst that can happen is expulsion, and the university will not report the reason for expulsion - beyond academic or conduct. Nor will the university disclose any records at all without the student's (ie, the sanctioned) approval.

      So the criminal behavior of RAPE is swept under the rug?

      Or false accusations are sufficient to run someone off campus under a cloud of suspicion?

      No matter how you look at it - it's BULLSHIT.

    9. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about that. What the OP is asking is how you prevent abuse of this system. People are people, and some will take advantage.

    10. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by nanoflower · · Score: 1

      That's as it should be. This isn't intended to replace the law enforcement community. If someone is sure a rape has occurred then they should report it and the police will investigate it at that time. However if someone isn't willing to go to police but thinks a rape may have occurred this is an alternative reporting system that gets it on record where it may help identify the perp. if someone else reports a similar rape. That's a good thing but it doesn't replace going to the police.

    11. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And with this system, if the accusations get proved to be false, there is no way to find the accusers. Like the Rolling Stone case, they will not say who they are.

    12. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by nanoflower · · Score: 1

      The same way you prevent any abuse. Good investigations by the authorities. I'm not sure how this system makes it any worse as far as abuse goes since people still have to report the crime and give details including their name, and the crime has to be investigated once the system flags a perp as a multiple offender.

    13. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Secondly, the app time-stamps submissions so obvious collusion will be, well, obvious.

      Hey Susie that guy over there is such a creep I reported him last week you should report him this week.

      OMG that's hilarious Janey I will do that right now. He is so gross.

    14. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      ...if someone isn't willing to go to police but thinks a rape may have occurred...

      A rape is a serious crime, and a traumatic event for the victim. Maybe third parties would be unsure that a rape had happened, but for the victim there would be no doubt. And the victim would want to get to police as quickly as possible, in order to be protected from it happening again. And, as far as I understood, this is a tool for victims, not bystanders.

      However, if you defined touching, or staring as rape, then I can understand how somebody might be unsure whether they had indeed been the "victim" of such actions.

    15. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Informative

      If a real rape happens, you go to the police, and you do it as soon as you can

      Yep, because the police have such an impeccable record. I was going go post individual links, but it's easier to just go here http://www.google.com/search?i...

      Oh what the hell, here's a nice link for you:

      http://registerguard.com/rg/ne...

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    16. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0, Troll

      If it is a "rape": if more than one feminist collude together, they still get to ruin a guy's life...

      Well given that you're entirely equating feminists with false rape threats, I'm pretty sure you're not going to be engaging in an honest debate in this thread. And lookee: you've been misquoting TFA all over the place too.

      You might wish to question why you have an axe to grind and what you hope to achieve by it.

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    17. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2
      And, so what?

      Burglaries don't get resolved 100% of the time either, but if my house got broken in, I'd make damn sure to report it as sure as I could. Even better: my insurance policy actually makes it an obligation for me to report it, or else they won't cover it.

    18. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      And, so what?

      You the fact that the police are often useless is to you an irrelevance when it comes to going to the police?

      Even better: my insurance policy actually makes it an obligation for me to report it, or else they won't cover it.

      And that's got what to do with rape precisely? You won't get money for new stuff if you fail to report it, even if when it's reported the police do nothing. Or are you trying to make some point about rape insurance?

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    19. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The same way you prevent any abuse. " You mean, to quote the OP who was "an idiot":

      "Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report?"

      ?

    20. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      First, men can be the victims of rape and sexual assault too, and can use this app to report it.

      Not only are men victims of rape and assault, according to CDC they are *more* victims of rape than women are.

      Secondly, the app time-stamps submissions so obvious collusion will be, well, obvious.

      Nope. Report things a week apart, or more.

      Everyone should welcome this, because it makes false allegations more difficult to make, avoids single allegations harming potentially innocent people and allows authorities to examine evidence and allegations before starting a public investigation. It does nothing to make fraudulent claims easier to make.

      I don't welcome things like this at all - if you are the victim of a crime, report the damn thing. For at least the last few years there has been *no* stigma (in the west, at any rate) attached reporting rape; not more than any other crime, anyway.

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    21. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Are you really that limited intellectually that 2 simple sentences exceed your reading comprehension capabilities, or are you just trolling? Yeah, try to buy a rape insurance policy, if that's your cup of tea...

    22. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      Oh I see, so first you misquote TFA, then spew nonsequiteurs, then spew insults.

      I think I can see which "point of view" you're coming from.

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    23. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Oh I see, so first you misquote TFA

      Just wondering, do you actually know what TFA means, or did you just copy-paste that from somewhere?

      then spew nonsequiteurs,

      ... or maybe you just attempted to type what you saw elsewhere?

    24. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neckbeard detected.

    25. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that they do do that, why is it wrong?

      After all, rapists are men, because some men rape. Therefore fakers of rape accusation are feminists because some feminists falsely accuse men or rape.

      If you don't like the contraction of the subset identification in this case, please indicate your feeling on this in ever case you come across.

    26. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because the small risk of a false accusation should outweigh the huge number of unreported actual rapes. Jackass.

    27. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Just wondering, do you actually know what TFA means, or did you just copy-paste that from somewhere?

      Next you're going to deny you misquoted it intentionally to change the emphasis. Even though your misquote it right there in the comment. ... or maybe you just attempted to type what you saw elsewhere?

      Ah I see your one of those grammer Nazi's I keep hearing about. Irregardless of what you seem to believe, the actual spelling (provided it does not empair understanding) is a mute point. It really begs the question as to why you keep attacking side points rather than debating honestly. Anyway, I could care less.

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    28. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      So some amateur detectives at the university without the ability to do physical exams, without legal repercussions for false testimony and going on cases where even the little investigation they can do has been made almost impossible by the passing of time are going to judge the guy's guilt?

      Peachy.

    29. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      That's the only problem I have with it, as long as police/judges treat the earlier reports with enough suspicion I don't have a problem with it.

      There's no police here: this is about confidential, university investigations. One hopes that those investigators would actually contact those prior accusers as part of the investigation, but there are no formal rules of evidence for such panels, as there are for criminal investigations.

      Of course, the penalties they can impose are also much less severe. There's no jail time. There's no public disclosure. The worst that can happen is expulsion, and the university will not report the reason for expulsion - beyond academic or conduct. Nor will the university disclose any records at all without the student's (ie, the sanctioned) approval.

      The things you mention are life-wrecking government punishments. These things should go through real courts and not just "you KNOW he did it!" kangaroo courts.

      The birthing of these lesser punishment half-assed government faux trial system needs to be crushed. Do it the real, constitutionally approved way.

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    30. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      False rape threats and false threat narratives in general are tools routinely employed by feminists to get their way and silence reasonable objections to their ideological insanity. It's quite surprising that you aren't aware of this fact.

    31. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      First, men can be the victims of rape and sexual assault too, and can use this app to report it.

      Not only are men victims of rape and assault, according to CDC they are *more* victims of rape than women are.

      No - according to the CDC, 18.3% of women and 1.4% of men experience rape. Roughly equal numbers experience other sexual violence - 5.6% and 5.3% respectively.

    32. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking idiot... Yes the police won't solve 100% of your alleged rape problems, so why report it to them at all..

    33. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously he's not a student at the University of Virginia or Duke if he's so blissfully unaware that false rape claims on campuses happen and that feminists often lead the lynch mob based on those false claims.

    34. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Informative

      Look at the guy who thinks fraternities are more important than not being raped.

      Look at the guy who thinks that punishing every fraternity for a crime at one fraternity that never even happened is more important than the truth.

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    35. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except that according to the FBI (where the CDC gets it's data) rape is defined as "Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim"

      While I'm sure there are a few cases of femdom type cases of females raping males pretty much NO female on male rapes would fit under that definition.

    36. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the guy who thinks fraternities are more important than not being raped.

      False dichotomy alert!

    37. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Widely publicizing unsubstantiated accusations of someone having committed a heinous crime is "as it should be"? No it's not. We have due process for reasons, one of which is to prevent witch hunts and discourage false allegations.

    38. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should be reported to the police posthaste. Reporting it to this app or the school is either an exercise in futility or an attempt to harrass someone.

      The schools should have absolutely nothing to do with this except expulsion if the person is found guilty in a court of law.

    39. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Raseri · · Score: 1

      It's actually not surprising at all that someone with an agenda to push will ignore reality when it hinders the narrative, which is a fairly frequent occurrence.

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    40. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Small risk? This system is guaranteed to be abused. But it will only harm unattractive men who reside at the bottom of the social hierarchy, so who cares? Am I right?

    41. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by fropenn · · Score: 2

      Students can (and many do) report rape accusations to the police. But it's two separate processes - a criminal process (handled through the police), and a student conduct process (handled through the university). Universities need a way to determine whether or not the accused should be punished for violating the student code of conduct (just like they would, say, for plagiarism violations or academic cheating). Even if a crime wasn't committed, it still might be a violation of the student code of conduct. It is the university's right to sanction students who violate the code of conduct and they need some way to make a determination as to whether or not a sanction is warranted.

      The police, on the other hand, are focused only on whether or not a crime was committed.

      In some instances, victims don't want to go to police and prefer it be handled only through the student conduct process. In these instances the university cannot compel the student to go to the police due to FERPA rules. In other instances there is insufficient evidence for a criminal trial but there may be sufficient evidence for a student code of conduct violation.

      It is complex and I can see why it looks bad. But there are very legitimate reasons why universities get involved in a separate but parallel process.

    42. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not any more - from my university's Discrimination, Harassment, and Sexual Misconduct Procedure Handbook

      "If the student requests an academic transcript while under investigation for an alleged violation of this policy involving sexual misconduct, the University Registrar shall place a prominent notation on the student’s academic transcript reading “Under Investigation - Sexual Misconduct Policy.”

      Good luck getting admitted to any other school with that on your transcript.

    43. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by tburkhol · · Score: 0

      There's no police here: this is about confidential, university investigations

      So the criminal behavior of RAPE is swept under the rug?

      No. Regardless of what happens within the university, the victim is always free to press criminal charges. History indicates that they often prefer not to, even in cases of violent rape, at least in part because the criminal justice system has been even more biased against women than the university disciplinary system.

      University disciplinary actions are intended for less egregious bad behavior, and the whole discussion here seems to be missing that point. Intramural discipline is for correcting poor behavior within the community. It's a halfway step between being grounded by their parents and being sent to prison.

      Or false accusations are sufficient to run someone off campus under a cloud of suspicion?

      There's still a process and still a hearing. The accusations are evaluated by (supposedly) impartial, rational people, so no: false accusations are not sufficient to run someone off campus.

    44. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "criminal justice system has been even more biased against women"

      WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT. If a woman accuses a man of a crime than she needs to show up in court just like anyone else and prove the case. Just because a vagina is involved doesn't make the burden of guilt and less.

      Let me say this again for the people who forget: Remember the Duke LaCross players? Twania Brawley?

    45. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's probably been paying attention all the nasty shit that SJW's are doing to ruin people lives when they don't like them.

      That's gotta make you nervous. In any event, if you get accused of rape at a college your college career is over, tuition forfeited and your life is side tracked. Apparently all this can happen without involving the police or requiring a formal charge of rape.

    46. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The strawmen, they are everywhere!

    47. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      The college administration will lynch the guy on the college green.

      Metaphorically speaking, yes. Have you fucking seen the way men accused of sexual assault are treated by college administrators?

      Shit, a lynching would almost be kinder.

    48. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by cstacy · · Score: 1

      Secondly, the app time-stamps submissions so obvious collusion will be, well, obvious.

      Hey Susie that guy over there is such a creep I reported him last week you should report him this week.

      OMG that's hilarious Janey I will do that right now. He is so gross.

      Good example of how "computer mediated" social networking is qualitatively different from a group of girls that at least sort-of know each other gossiping. The old-fashioned way, they are a little accountable to each other, and one could even object to this, if they did it. The "app" way, it's sufficiently disconnected from individual people that there is no defense. It's just a particularly nasty version of the "Rate Someone" apps.

    49. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      While feminist organisations and politicians are fighting the Safe Campus Act which explicitly demands that rape accusations are referred to the police for a full and thorough investigation to assure justice for the victim I think it's reasonable to suggest that feminists are very much in support of false rape allegations.

      It's the only interpretation for their insistence that the accused get no opportunity to defend themselves, for their insistence that a proper investigation shouldn't happen, and for their insistence that the police shouldn't be invited to arrest and prosecute the alleged rapist.

      If it's a rape, it's crime. Let the justice system handle it. Or can you explain why feminists are so scared of that?

    50. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      As a man, the risk of a false accusation is infinitely higher than the risk of me raping someone.

      Personal evidence : I've been falsely accused of sexual assault. I've never sexually assaulted someone.

      It's not a small risk to me.

    51. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Universities need a way to determine whether or not the accused should be punished for violating the student code of conduct (just like they would, say, for plagiarism violations or academic cheating).

      The difference is that plagiarism or cheating are University-based offenses that involve the university directly. Rape is a criminal act covered by local, state, and federal laws, but has no direct connection to the University. No, someone living in a dorm doesn't make everything they do a University problem, and someone living off-campus (in a frat or sorority, or just an apartment) even less so. At least, it shouldn't. And not when there are police and courts all set up to deal with this.

      As for this app, it's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Someone (male or female, by the way) reports a rape but doesn't realize the "keep it a secret until later" function is active. He wonders why nobody does anything. Then a dozen years later he sues because the University didn't do enough.

    52. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Secondly, the app time-stamps submissions so obvious collusion will be, well, obvious.

      Hey Susie that guy over there is such a creep I reported him last week you should report him this week.

      OMG that's hilarious Janey I will do that right now. He is so gross.

      I know, right? Last week I saw him actually look at me, instead of keeping his head down and averting his gaze like a good Tame Male ought to! And what's worse, I saw him glance at three other women in class yesterday. Who do these misogynists think they are?

    53. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      No - according to the CDC, 18.3% of women and 1.4% of men experience rape.

      >

      The National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey -- source of the CDC numbers, according to your linked PDF -- doesn't include prisons. It also does not count the 4.8% of men who reported being "made to penetrate someone else" as rape victims; a definition of rape that's dependent on the topology of someone's genitals rather than issues of bodily agency is highly problematic.

      If we include prison rape, evidence suggests that more men are raped than women, though we're dealing with numbers with large error bars.

      (None of this is intended to downplay the seriousness of sexual assault.)

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    54. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Magnus+Pym · · Score: 1

      Rape is the battle cry of the feminist, the tool that they use to shut down inconvenient discussions. That is why they hate it when their research is questioned, and when scrutiny of their rape stats reveals that "staring" has been equated as "eye rape", which has been quietly equated to cave-man style sexual assault.

      If patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, rape is that for the feminist.

    55. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by slashdotwannabe · · Score: 1

      Look at the guy who thinks that punishing every fraternity for a crime at one fraternity that never even happened is more important than the truth.

      Look at the guy who is using a single anecdotal example of a false accusation to call into question the existence of the rape epidemic or that action should be taken to combat it. (According to the FBI, 2% of rape reports are found to be false -- the same percentage as other types of felonies.

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    56. Re:Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You put entirely too much bait into your post. For optimal results, I recommend you consider a subtler approach. -PCP

  4. "nonconsensual sex or touching" by Zapotek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    According to a recent study of 27 schools, about one-quarter of female undergraduates said they had experienced nonconsensual sex or touching since entering college

    So basically they asked about touching and sex just so they can put the phrase "nonconsensual sex" and "one-quarter" together?

    Those 2 are nowhere near the same level of severity to be reported in that fashion.
    I've been touched plenty times nonconsensually, I figured "that's a bit too familiar" (yes I'm a man, yes by women), however I wouldn't place those occurrences nowhere near anything having to do with rape.

    1. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I've been touched plenty times nonconsensually, I figured "that's a bit too familiar" (yes I'm a man, yes by women), however I wouldn't place those occurrences nowhere near anything having to do with rape.

      You've never heard of "stare rape" have you? There is no end to their victim-hood.

    2. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      You must have been reading "How to lie with Statistics" on your Statisitics 101 course, when you should have been reading "All men are bastards" on your Wimmins Studies 101 course.

      You sexist pig.

    3. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      Frankly, I'm surprised that non-consensual touching on college campuses is that low. Or maybe because they only polled women. Perhaps the statistics would be worse if they polled guys as well?

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    4. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that is the kicker. The 25% number has nothing to do with rape, but they make it appear so as if it has. That is dishonest to the extreme.

      The problem here is that "touching" is one of the established ways of testing out whether somebody else is amenable. Of course, you go for non-critical areas, like hands or lower arms or shoulders, but unless these idiots intend to re-program basic human behavior, touching and then observing the reaction is an acceptable and very well established (probably a few 10'000 years old) ways of asking a specific question. (There is also a whole formalized instance of this: Dancing. That is no accident.) And the established way to deal with it is to not get offended, but signal interest by accepting the touch or non-interest by terminating it. Anybody that thinks this is unacceptable behavior or even a crime needs therapy because there is something seriously wrong with them.

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    5. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They only polled women?!?!

      Polling is rape!!!

    6. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Don't forget, "microaggressions" is a thing now. Look or smile at a woman who isn't interested, and you're a gnats whisker away from being a rapist these days.

    7. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Reaper9889 · · Score: 1

      I also think it absurd that 60% of rapes could be stopped by stopping people after the second rape. That means that the average rapist has raped 5 times. I *hope* that is waaaay to high.

      If it is real, then yes, something should be done about it, even if it is quite rare.

    8. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's like those kiddy porn stats: "last year we rescued 12985 kids..." meant to be understood as "... from a violent raptor", whereas in reality it means "... from a loving home where the father stumbled into a MAFIAA trap on amule".

    9. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Your.Master · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you look up the study, the exact quote is “nonconsensual penetration or sexual touching involving physical force or incapacitation,”.

      The summary is brain-dead, but in a way that *understates* the problem, compared to the actual quote (which doesn't contain the word "rape"). After all, you're interpreting this as lower arms and shoulders, but that's clearly not "sexual touching involving physical force or incapacitation"..

    10. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by swb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think the "problem" is probably much deeper than that and involves a whole bunch of cultural assumptions, behaviors and perhaps even physiological responses that aren't even questioned, let alone well understood.

      I've always been kind of curious about the assumptions implied by the language used to describe sexual encounters. Sex is often described in active/passive giver/receiver terms. "I let him have sex with me" or more colloquially "I let him fuck me", implying that sex in some way is an experience where men actively act on women who somewhat passively accept or recieve it.

      Men and women typically approcah sex with men as the initiators, with women signallling their approval quite often by passive acceptance of male advances throughout the sexual experience.

      I also think there's something of a physiological element as well. I've read that some percentage of women actually experience orgasm during consciously unwanted sexual encounters. Which leads somewhat to a kind of paradox where women may actually by experiencing some kind of physical pleasure during a sexual encounter that they may not conscioulsy want from an intellectual and emotional perspective. It's not hard to see this leading to a kind of cognitive dissonance and confusion which allows results in the sexual act to be completed (physical response in the moment overriding longer term desire and motivation) yet longer term the experience is evaluated by women as being unwanted despite the appearance of it being desired at the time.

      Now, ladle on to that all the other elements of college -- alcohol and drug use clouding judgement, a lack of experience by both men and women in terms of what they really believe to be a holisitically good sexual experience, broader social expectations about "hooking up", etc.

      And then you have a fairly strong undercurrent of ideology in feminism that tends to view most sex, including sex that most people would consider consensual, as being rape or male aggression.

      But let's ignore all that, create an app that just turns sexual assault into a yes/no checkbox.

    11. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 27.2% in the study refers to "Nonconsensual Sexual Contact Completed by Using Physical Force or Incapacitation; Attempted Penetration using Physical Force." That would be sexual assault or rape by legal definitions.

    12. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by tburkhol · · Score: 5, Informative

      That means that the average rapist has raped 5 times. I *hope* that is waaaay to high.

      It's not. The vast majority of men don't do non-consensual sex, meaning that non-consensual sex is practiced by a small minority of men.

      One argument is that they don't even know. That our dating language and culture are so strongly based on conquest, that (some) men may have trouble distinguishing between pretend resistance as sexual play and real resistance to unwanted contact. If the victim is afraid, embarrassed, or discouraged from making an accusation, then the perpetrator is taught that all those "No!" "Stop!" "Get out!" cries were just play.

      It's clear there are people exaggerating the claims or severity of sexual violence, but it's also clear that many women have participated in "real sex" that they wanted no part of, either before, during or after. That latter number is hard to pin down, but does consistently seem to be somewhere in the 10-20% range. We have to stop that.

    13. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      about one-quarter of female undergraduates and students who identified as queer or transgender said they had experienced nonconsensual sex or touching since entering college

      Why did you edit this important bit out of the full quote? The way you did it makes it sound like 27% of all females on campus have experienced this, which is not what they are saying at all.

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    14. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a man and I've been, shall we say, "strongly coerced" into sexual acts in school and in professional situations. In school we had a share house and the "house rep" was a clove-cigarette smoking feminist Psych major who would grind on anyone who did anything she didn't like in the house and stick them with extra chores or whatever. I was minoring in Psych so we had a few conversations where she basically talked down to me. One day I came back and she was on the front porch smoking, as I walked up the steps she said "hey, come to my room" or something like that, which I did, and she proceeded to lightly restrain me and sit on my face.

      In the greater scope of things I wouldn't say I "liked" the experience but I wouldn't say I regret it. I felt used but I also felt a little more experienced, if that makes sense. I was actually pretty nervous and shy around women but after that experience I was much less so. There was also the benefit that after that (about a month) she didn't get on my case once for doing anything she would go crazy about on anyone else in the house. It should be noted that I was a pretty terrible housemate and probably deserved some criticism.

      So for me when I hear about "this guy brought me to his room and touched me" I have trouble seeing how that's such a bad thing - I think it's a pretty human thing and I hope whoever has that experience reaps some life experience and maybe some secondary benefits from it. Even if you don't say "yes" or whatever; going along with something is consent - if you're screaming "NO! SOMEONE HELP ME!" that's completely different but following a guy to his room and having uncomfortable half-drunk frustrated dorm sex isn't rape.

      As for in my professional life, a prospective client had me meet her with an estimate at a cafe. The estimate was higher than a competitor and I was just not making the sale. We'd finished our coffee and she asked me to come with her to her shop (~5 minute walk, closed that day) where she made herself "available" on the sofa. We got the contract and she's still a client 4 years later that regularly makes orders and never complains. Easily one of our best customers and likely so easy to deal with because of how I got that initial contract. If I was a woman I'm certain I'd be using my body to win a few contracts.

      *Disclaimer: neither of these women were "attractive". The house rep was borderline fat with black wiry hair and from head to toe stunk of clove. My client is practically skin and bones with a big squareish face and short hair that doesn't compliment her. I didn't get off either time - though I will give credit to the house rep for doing her best with a clumsy hand job after half-suffocating me.

    15. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Zapotek · · Score: 1

      Because my job isn't to report on this and because the bit I copied was enough to being attention to the point I was trying to make, with said point having nothing to do with gender but rather the author's attempt at manipulation by counting together touch and rape.

      Not to mention the fact that this was obviously a quote of the full description, with the description being a mere scroll away.

      You saw a gender bias where there was none, so it was probably just your own.

    16. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Zapotek · · Score: 1

      Also, the bit you highlighted isn't even in the summary. I just copied and pasted the relevant bit.

    17. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look up the study, the exact quote is “nonconsensual penetration or sexual touching involving physical force or incapacitation,”.

      "Overall, 11.7 percent of students across the 27 universities reported experiencing nonconsensual
      penetration or sexual touching by force or incapacitation since enrolling at the IHE." on page 8. ... so your exact quote is a bit wrong.

      this is the study btw: https://www.aau.edu/uploadedFiles/AAU_Publications/AAU_Reports/Sexual_Assault_Campus_Survey/Report%20on%20the%20AAU%20Campus%20Climate%20Survey%20on%20Sexual%20Assault%20and%20Sexual%20Misconduct.pdf

    18. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      I find it sad that you would interpret "nonconsensual sex or touching" as "any touching at all". The study makes it clear that they only mean sexual touching, not just any contact, and I would hope any reasonable person would assume that is what the author of TFA meant too.

      Sadly, when it comes to issues like this, it is almost impossible to talk about them because you have to be ridiculously careful to always use language that can't possibly be misinterpreted by the most hostile reader. I've noticed that most of the criticism of certain sciences (e.g. climate science and evolutionary biology) and movements (e.g. LGBT rights, feminism) are mostly based on taking something someone said and deliberately interpreting it in a way they didn't intend. It's extremely dishonest - if you are going to make a counter argument, argue against their argument, not your straw man interpretation of it.

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    19. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ow, anon coward here. My bad, the 11.7 % includes men. The stats for women is around 25% (as is the stats for TGQN people).

      Oddly enough, graduates and professionals report WAY lower rates. So, that means the increase in rape/non-consentual penetration/sexual touching by force is a recent event.

    20. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here's what happens when you poll men using the same techniques: http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/men-a0035915.pdf

      "ninety-five percent of the respondents reported women as the perpetrators; participants also described internal obligation, seductive, and peer pressure tactics in descriptions of coercion experiences."

    21. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you look up the study, the exact quote is âoenonconsensual penetration or sexual touching involving physical force or incapacitation,â.

      The summary is brain-dead, but in a way that *understates* the problem, compared to the actual quote (which doesn't contain the word "rape").

      Two things:

      (1) You'll notice that the section of the summary which mentions "touching" is actually a very close paraphrase of the NYT article which is linked there. So the NYT is actually what's "brain-dead," and TFS just continued the "brain-dead" trend of not looking at the source.

      (2) I'm sure this will be ignored by most people here, but can I just offer a plea to moderators to think about posts a bit before modding them "+1 Insightful" or "+1 Informative"?

      The particular issue is with the common type of Slashdot post which shows up frequently around just about any study -- "Well, gee, a proper study of X would have to consider [obvious factor Y]." The default policy here seems to be to assume that all researchers running studies are absolute morons and would never consider whatever obvious flaw I came up with after 2 seconds of thought and posted on Slashdot. Or, as in this case, we assume that the researchers have some sort of agenda and ignored obvious data flaws or whatever.

      Guess what, mods? 90% of these posts are WRONG. Most studies do have some subtle flaws, but researchers generally make an attempt to address many of the obvious ones.

      The problem is that summaries are generally too short to contain all the details, so you'd actually have to RTFA to see that the researchers actually did take into account "obvious factor Y." Sometimes TFS is also misleading or poorly worded in such a way, which contributes to the problem. This is an editorial problem, but complaining about the editors here is fruitless, so I'll appeal to those with moderation points:

      If you see a post that seems "too good to be true" in claiming to have found some obvious flaw that completely invalidates a study, either take a minute and look at the study and check it, or just ignore the post. Don't just mod it as "Insightful" or "informative" because you wish it were true, or you'd like to think everyone else in the world is an idiot (or, in this case, a manipulative idiot).

      I'm tired of seeing obviously stupid posts rise to "+5 Informative" within an hour of a story going up (two such posts in a row here). I'll excuse the people posting such crap, because there's always a lot of crap posts here. But moderation should be taken at least a little more seriously.

    22. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by goose-incarnated · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you look up the study, the exact quote is “nonconsensual penetration or sexual touching involving physical force or incapacitation,”.

      The summary is brain-dead, but in a way that *understates* the problem, compared to the actual quote (which doesn't contain the word "rape"). After all, you're interpreting this as lower arms and shoulders, but that's clearly not "sexual touching involving physical force or incapacitation"..

      Those were numbers pulled from 2 universities. A sample size of two isn't very impressive. Here's the actual rape numbers, from a study that spanned four years: 1 in 52 women are raped.

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    23. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by One+With+Whisp · · Score: 1

      It's clear there are people exaggerating the claims or severity of sexual violence, but it's also clear that many women have participated in "real sex" that they wanted no part of, either before, during or after. That latter number is hard to pin down, but does consistently seem to be somewhere in the 10-20% range. We have to stop that.

      "real sex" that they wanted no part of, either before, during or after

      after

      What? If they fuckin' fucked and then regretted it later, so fucking what? That's the way this shit goes, bitch. Now suck it down or I'll make you suck mine down.

      I regret my past actions; therefore, rape.

      Absolutely ludicrous. Get the fuck out of here.

    24. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      I agree with your point, but one of the many challenges that we face when discussing here is that often we can't get to the original studies (paywall) but only a summary written by a journalist who doesn't include the relevant parts. So we have no way to know if there is an agenda by the original authors of the study or agenda by the person writing the news article and/or summary.

    25. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      If you look up the study, the exact quote is “nonconsensual penetration or sexual touching involving physical force or incapacitation,”.

      The summary is brain-dead, but in a way that *understates* the problem, compared to the actual quote (which doesn't contain the word "rape"). After all, you're interpreting this as lower arms and shoulders, but that's clearly not "sexual touching involving physical force or incapacitation"..

      What the study implies but doesn't say is that there is some location where non-consensual penetration or sexual touching is ok but that college campuses are not that place.

      They need to tell us what the appropriate place *is*.

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    26. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you wouldn't mind a gay guy touching your penis as long as no sex was involved?

    27. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      about one-quarter of female undergraduates and students who identified as queer or transgender said they had experienced nonconsensual sex or touching since entering college

      Why did you edit this important bit out of the full quote? The way you did it makes it sound like 27% of all females on campus have experienced this, which is not what they are saying at all.

      so 27% of individuals on campus who either are or pretend to be female have experienced this. Interesting. How about the queers who don't pretend to be female, do they experience this as well? From other queers or straights or what?

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    28. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by sideslash · · Score: 2

      Oddly enough, graduates and professionals report WAY lower rates. So, that means the increase in rape/non-consentual penetration/sexual touching by force is a recent event.

      Or else there is a lot of wrong self reporting in these studies. It could be that students of previous years took responsibility for their own boozing and sleeping around without hyperanalyzing and reevaluating it later in light of 2015 feminist attitudes. Not to say that date rape isn't real, just that drunken sleeping around is sometimes something that both people walk into intentionally, and there is a lot of immaturity and unwillingness to take responsibility for one's own behavior out there, particularly when "blame the male" is a convenient cop out.

      OK, I'm done ranting now. Disclosure: I didn't drink in college, and I hope my own kids stay far from that whole crowd.

    29. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      *Disclaimer: neither of these women were "attractive". The house rep was borderline fat with black wiry hair and from head to toe stunk of clove. My client is practically skin and bones with a big squareish face and short hair that doesn't compliment her. I didn't get off either time - though I will give credit to the house rep for doing her best with a clumsy hand job after half-suffocating me.

      Just imagine what a drop-dead gorgeous woman could get away with.

      Then think how low the stats are for female murderers relative to male.

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    30. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It makes one wonder if permanent alienation between the sexes isn't one of the unspoken goals of the SJW / third-wave feminist crowd.
      Who needs the "Voluntary Human Extinction Movement" when they have this crowd effectively doing the job for them?

      I suppose that's one way of dealing with the leftist perception that Western culture is inherently evil. De-populate it.

    31. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A much more likely explanation: professionals and graduates are simply exposed to less risk (e.g. they spend more time studying, away from parties and bars). There are probably some economic factors at play as well; I'm just fairly certain that your point is an extremely marginal one if not completely wrong.

    32. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by swb · · Score: 1

      It's clear there are people exaggerating the claims or severity of sexual violence, but it's also clear that many women have participated in "real sex" that they wanted no part of, either before, during or after. That latter number is hard to pin down, but does consistently seem to be somewhere in the 10-20% range. We have to stop that.

      I think there's a larger number of women who are participating in "real sex" that they weren't sure they wanted before, were engaged enough with during to continue, but were unhappy with after.

      How exactly is that situation supposed to be evaluated? Does it ever make sense to allow ex-post-facto "justice" against a sexual partner? While there's probably lots of reasons to criticize a sexual partner after the fact, it seems unfair to decide after that the fact that the totality of the experience is somehow non-consensual.

    33. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      I've always been kind of curious about the assumptions implied by the language used to describe sexual encounters. Sex is often described in active/passive giver/receiver terms. "I let him have sex with me" or more colloquially "I let him fuck me", implying that sex in some way is an experience where men actively act on women who somewhat passively accept or recieve it.

      That is the argument put forward by radical feminist Andrea Dworkin in the 1987 book "Intercourse".

      And then you have a fairly strong undercurrent of ideology in feminism that tends to view most sex, including sex that most people would consider consensual, as being rape or male aggression.

      When asked about the book, Dworkin makes it clear that she does not consider all sex to be rape. Keep in mind this is one of the most radical feminists to ever have lived. You have come to the same conclusion as she did, meaning you are more radical than mainstream feminism, and yet you have this strange impression that somehow it's the other way around.

      You should read that book, you might be surprised.

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    34. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      "real sex" that they wanted no part of, either before, during or after

      What? If they fuckin' fucked and then regretted it later, so fucking what? That's the way this shit goes, bitch. Now suck it down or I'll make you suck mine down.

      You seem to be a non-native speaker of English, so let me explain one of our idiomatic phrases. "Before, during or after" is an emphatic way of saying "at any time." So, the proper interpretation of "sex that they wanted no part of, either before, during or after," is "sex that they wanted no part of, period" or "sex that they wanted no part of, ever."

    35. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by sideslash · · Score: 1

      A much more likely explanation: professionals and graduates are simply exposed to less risk (e.g. they spend more time studying, away from parties and bars).

      That was my first thought too, and I agree with the point you're making. However, if the question being asked is "have you ever in your life..." then we're also asking about those people's undergraduate experiences. I'm not sure that you could successfully argue that the vast majority of sorority/fraternity crowd doesn't go on to graduate.

    36. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Load on to all of that the fact that for most of your college career you are really still just a kid. Our society really heaps sexuality onto children at an early age so that sex becomes an obligation rather than a benefit of a relationship. I don't think at even 22 many are ready for the consequences -- pregnancy, disease, rape etc.
      http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/11/19/0332251/the-war-on-campus-sexual-assault-goes-digital#
      People laugh at teaching abstinence, but there are some real benefits to holding off on sex. Personally I've always hated the mentality that you're so horny you can't think straight excuse to f**k anything that moves. We're humans, we supposed to master our animalistic urges.

    37. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by swb · · Score: 1

      I think it goes way beyond the kind of social politics of feminism and actually far deeper into the neuropsychology of female desire.

      I think women have the ability to engage in sexual behavior without actually being motivated by an erotic desire for sex. Want to please their husband/boyfriend/partner, want to make money (eg, prostitutes, porn actresses). I think in many cases these women find the *stimulation* of the sexual activity pleasurable (eg, prostitutes do report experiencing orgasms, even some rape victims report experiencing orgasms).

      Yet I think for a lot of them there's a certain kind of cognitive dissonance when they lack both a strong external motivation (eg, please a partner, make money) and they also lack any specific erotic motivation. I think a lot of these kinds of situations are non-coercive, yet women are being encouraged to view the cognitive dissonance of these experience as being "date rape", often based on their ex-post-facto emotional responses.

    38. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But let's ignore all that, create an app that just turns sexual assault into a yes/no checkbox.

      Yes, lets, in the interest of not trivializing an abhorrent crime by lumping it in with failure to conduct the instinctual act of mating by an invented checklist of rules.

      These discussions would benefit from some acknowledgement that there are degrees of misconduct and from establishing nomenclature for sexual misconduct that falls short of rape.

    39. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Ha, you think that's bad. Now throw in Aspergers, where brain disconnects from vision and you don't even register that you're being perceived as staring.

    40. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Cederic · · Score: 1

      The 4 in 10 statistic is the fucking awesome one from that study.

      It directly compares to the 1 in 5 statistic falsely claimed by feminists as evidence of a rape culture.

      So 20% of women suffer unwanted sexual interactions and that's an issue? How about the 40% of men then, you ignorant fucking feminist misandrists?

    41. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hello pot? This is the kettle calling.

      This report, and many others like it on the controversial topics you indicate, deliberately use vague, unnecessarily broad, or obfuscated language for the specific purpose of exaggerating the impact of the action or behavior in question.

      Intentionally conflating the vaguely defined "non-consensual touching" with rape for the specific purpose of making it seem like the felony of rape is more common than it is invites the kind of pedantic nitpicking you lament.

    42. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's also the case of a man pushing, and the woman feeling threatened, and letting him do what he wants. In that case, it's nonconsensual sex, but the man isn't going to know that if the standard is that the man goes ahead and the woman's responsibility is to stop him.

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    43. Re:"nonconsensual sex or touching" by binarstu · · Score: 1

      Excellent post. To make matters worse: Even though most of the time, other commenters eventually call out those early, garbage +5 "informative/insightful" posts, it often happens late enough in the thread that moderators have moved on and the corrections never bubble up in visibility as they should.

  5. Collusion? by Ydna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think this is a pretty cool idea (improving the likelihood of reporting rapists and ill-informed post-adolescents). But will it be able to avoid collusion on the part of those reporting? Multiple persons with an ax to grind (or just wanting to "tease" someone) could seemingly file multiple reports triggering the escrow's release. That, in itself, is not the problem. It's the consequences of free (or possibly anonymous) condemnation. I still think anything that improves reporting of (genuine) assault is a good thing. I just worry about how technology has an equal hand in facilitating asshattery.

    There are two goods I would like to see from an effort like this: punish the truly criminal and better educate those poisoned with the antique ideals of past generations. I didn't have the best education regarding this (but it was better than most maybe) as a child and must frequently question my thinking regarding other humans. Yes, I'm talking about men. I prefer to be inclusive, but men are the fucking problem here.

    I just don't want to ruin someone's life because of poor guidance (by parents, peers, media, educators, etc.). I expect that a small percentage of false-positives is to be expected. But I don't want to provide a means to facilitate it.

    Even the most vile transgressor deserves to face their accusers.

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    1. Re:Collusion? by gweihir · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is extremely easy to abuse, and makes defending oneself against such accusations even harder. After all, the reports were "independent" (no, there is no indication that they were, but the idiots advocating this are not capable of understanding that).

      In short, this is a witch-hunt support tool and it will be sued as such.

      I can really only advise all male students that can afford it to not do their education in the US as all sanity is gone from that system.

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    2. Re:Collusion? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      In short, this is a witch-hunt support tool and it will be sued as such.

      I find myself curious whether you meant "used". Because I expect that the sentence is true either way. It will be used, and the lawsuits will be flying over its use....

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    3. Re:Collusion? by RobinH · · Score: 1

      If it goes to trial, one of the things the defense will care about is whether or not the people who reported it knew each other ahead of time. That's something could be verified with witnesses.

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    4. Re:Collusion? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

      In short, this is a witch-hunt support tool and it will be sued as such.

      No, it's not a witch hunt. You know, witch hunts were against women, whereas this is against men. Revenge of witch-hunt, maybe?

    5. Re:Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this any different to the current situation? Just because the same person has been named by multiple individuals doesn't mean that the police will skip the investigation step. It would be hard to prosecute someone without a known victim or accuser.

    6. Re:Collusion? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Hehehehe, no, it is a typo. But it will be sued as well. Come to think of, has the victim of "Mattress-Girl" sued her successfully?

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    7. Re:Collusion? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One of the problems at the moment is that often people don't report sexual assault when it happens, for a variety of reasons, and then later discover other people have been alleged victims of the same person and decide to come forward. You then get a number of reports filed at the same time after the alleged victims have had time to discuss the details with each other. The alleged perpetrator then claims collusion.

      With this system, the hope is that alleged victims will report closer to when the assault takes places and so reports will build up over time and the people filing them won't have spoken to each other before hand. This should actually make it easier to distinguish genuine reports from collusion, because many people reporting at the same time will be even more suspicious and difficult to explain.

      One-off attacks are almost impossible to prosecute unless there was physical violence or drugging. In the case of sexual touching, or non-consensual but non-violent sex (e.g. passed out) it comes down to the victim's word against the accused's word. Where there are prosecutions of non-violent crimes it is usually because a number of victims are able to give believable stories establishing a pattern of behaviour. So the accusation of collusion is a pretty powerful defence, and one-off accusations carry almost no weight.

      You should welcome this, it makes everyone safer from false reports and everyone more likely to be believed and get justice when a real attack takes place.

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    8. Re:Collusion? by alexhs · · Score: 1

      Wizard-hunt ?
      I put on my robe and wizard hat.

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    9. Re:Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feminists and SJW won't be happy until America is completely un productive.

    10. Re:Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Warlock hunt?

    11. Re:Collusion? by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      It seems that in this case, if there are multiple reports, the transgressor then gets a chance to face their accuser. We all see the concern of collusion to "get somebody" but I don't see how this program increases that problem. After all I could get five of my friends and all agree to walk into the dean's office telling the same story without any online tools.

    12. Re:Collusion? by Ydna · · Score: 1

      Thank you. This would be a welcome inclusion in the formula.

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    13. Re:Collusion? by Ydna · · Score: 1

      Great point. Thank you.

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    14. Re:Collusion? by Stinky+Cheese+Man · · Score: 1

      This should actually make it easier to distinguish genuine reports from collusion, because many people reporting at the same time will be even more suspicious and difficult to explain.

      And it would take nearly thirty seconds for anyone wanting to game the system to realize they should spread out their reports rather than reporting all at once.

    15. Re:Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All systems can be gamed. That's not a reason not to have systems.

    16. Re:Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm more interested in ending the collusion between police and rapists.

    17. Re:Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not a witch hunt. You know, witch hunts were against women, whereas this is against men. Revenge of witch-hunt, maybe?

      The most famous example of a witch hunt in the US was the Salem witch trials. While most of the people who were condemned to death were women, there were some men in the list as well. More importantly, you'll notice that the accusers were exclusively women.

    18. Re:Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the problem is that, people generally have sex in private, so short of someone taping it there's never any real evidence of who did or didn't consent. And the way the US legal system is structured that should make it almost impossible to get a rape conviction. Without physical evidence of violence or drugs, it's juts "he said she said" and the accused is presumed innocent until proven otherwise (even when violence and drugs are involved it's possible they were involved conceptually, it juts becomes less likely as the severity increases).

      The other problem is that we still have the attitude that sex is something men do to women, and that women are supposed to "play" hard to get rather than initiating encounters or saying yes upfront, while men are supposed to convince women to have sex with them an be persistent if initially rejected. So there are a lot of boys who don't know the difference between "trying to not make eye contact because she's scared" and "trying to not make eye contact because she thinks it makes her look mysterious" who have learned that women frequently won't say "yes let's fuck" even if that's what they want, because they don't want to sound like a slut, but haven't learned that also frequently won't say "no" because they're afraid of conflict.

    19. Re:Collusion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In short, this is a witch-hunt support tool and it will be sued as such.

      No, it's not a witch hunt. You know, witch hunts were against women, whereas this is against men. Revenge of witch-hunt, maybe?

      Men were hunted in the so-called witch hunts, too. Men can be witches, too.

    20. Re:Collusion? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Trial? Under Title IX? There's an entire fucking injustice system out there doing its best to assure that there is no trial, as that would actually look at evidence, establish facts and potentially find an innocent man 'Not Guilty'.

      Can't be having that. Not in American colleges. Oh, no.

    21. Re:Collusion? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If the victim's name is required, her name will be on any false reports. That could come back to bite her.

      Also, without the system, several women could come forward and lie about being raped, if they wanted to target a man. I can't see that the system makes this possibility worse, and it is good for the real victims.

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    22. Re:Collusion? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      One of the problems at the moment is that often people don't report sexual assault when it happens,

      Yes, and the other problem is that quite a few people report sexual assault when it did not happen. In fact, from some statements from law enforcement people made in private, it is not even clear whether there are more false or true accusations. On number from was that up to 80% of rape complaints to the police are not followed up on as the complaints are not credible. No, I cannot give you a citation. As this is a hugely political and non-rational issue for most people, nobody puts statement like this in a form that can be cited. That would be career-suicide.

      You should welcome this, it makes everyone safer from false reports and everyone more likely to be believed and get justice when a real attack takes place.

      Not at all. See above. And it does not make anybody one bit safer from false reports, that statement is just due to a failed security analysis of this system. Anybody wanting to game this system needs to invest a bit of thinking, but is rewarded with a much better framing result. If you look at the lengths some "feminists" have gone too to frame men (think for example "mattress girl", who has a story that is very unlikely to be true), this is a very small hurdle.

      I do risk analysis and security analysis for a living. This system is too easy to game, it is obvious how to do it, and at the same time it makes claims more believable due to the false _appearance_ of being more accurate. What it will do, hence, is increase abuse and make it harder for those falsely accused to defend themselves.

      In short, this is a problem, not a solution.

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    23. Re:Collusion? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      When people place undeserved faith in what the system does, than this _is_ a good reason not to have it.

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    24. Re:Collusion? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      As this is "technology" with "safeguards" and "scientific algorithms", it will strengthen the belief of many people, including judges and juries, that the reports are more accurate. And it will do so without good reason. Just look at the screw-ups with DNA and other evidence, where things that strained credulity were believed to convict people because it was "science".

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    25. Re:Collusion? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. They are a force of destruction.

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  6. Simple! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Separate the males from the females. This way, women can't be victims. (This will disappoint many women, I know) Problem solved!

  7. Open to abuse, by design by Sibko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Notice how "evidence" and "courts" aren't words used anywhere in this.

    Write a script to automatically file rape claims against every male in the school. It gets held by the escrow service, so the university can't even see the fact that everyone has a rape claim against them, at least, not until they've asked for the data during an investigation.

    Someone eventually escalates some situation or another and the university pulls the data on the person and - Woah, 33 pre-existing rape claims! You're expelled buddy! And then this gets shared with every other university, and you make newspaper headlines, so all google searches of your name turn up rape accusations and, well, good luck ever getting a job or college education for the rest of your life.

    And all this, without a single court getting involved.

    "Social Justice"? More like modern Salem witch trials.

    1. Re:Open to abuse, by design by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      Notice how "evidence" and "courts" aren't words used anywhere in this.

      That's because universities are not the criminal justice system. If a victim wants to file criminal charges, that's a completely separate process, independent of whatever the university does. The university data may be subpoenaed, and an online database is almost certainly not protected by patient-counselor privilege, but the court would need to validate that data for trial.

      This is about university disciplinary hearings, which have the historical perception of bias against the woman. ie "she was asking for it," "she only changed her mind afterward," or "keep this quiet because it would hurt the university." There's perception, at least on the part of women, that this bias is facilitated by most of the faculty being men, thus identifying with the alleged perpetrator, and by the secretive nature of the hearings, thus making it hard to find patterns of repeated behavior. Those university-internal investigations are serious, even if not criminal, and a disciplinary panel that accepts a bunch of blog posts without following up to verify is dangerously incompetent. University disciplinary findings are protected student information, beyond the outcome, so other schools or potential employers won't know whether the expulsion is for sexual assault or for pissing in the dean's lunchbox.

      Sure, people could conspire to use this tool to make false accusations, but conspirators so set on disrupting a boy's life don't need a tool. This is not "Click a button to expel Johnny Boogerhead." This is a way to collect names of people who might corroborate an open accuser's claims.

    2. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Someone should do this and just file rape charges against everyone.
      Do it against the dean or some shit and this thing will go away pretty quick.

    3. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, the question is: why are the universities imposing a paralegal system when we have an adequately functional one? Disciplinary committees are NOT intended to deal with criminal activities, particularly activities that they don't have the capacity to assess. Allegations are NOT proof that a crime was committed and the accused has the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. Disciplinary committees simply can't do that when the evidence boils down to "she said, he said".

      When a woman gets raped, she has to call the police as soon as possible. They will use a rape kit to collect the evidence proving that a rape actually took place and possibly incriminating data about the perpetrator. And thats the starting point of a criminal investigation. Disciplinary committees don't have the legal authority or the means for doing that.

      As it is, this has become ridiculous to the point that at least one guy has been banned from campus for resembling a rapist. Not for actually committing any crime or disciplinary transgression, just for looking like a different guy that raped another student:

      https://reason.com/blog/2015/02/19/male-student-banned-from-campus-because

    4. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this were the salem witch trials, then maybe they would have reported it to an official, instead of an anonymous survey where nobody was named. Seriously, think about what you're saying.

      It's insane that you see "25% of women in %demographic% have experienced 'nonconsensual penetration or sexual touching involving physical force or incapacitation,'", and your reaction is "those lying btiches!".

      Yes, false rape reports happen, and they are really, really bad, and better than 9 guilty men go free than one inncoent man be punished. At the same time, do you really believe that 25% of all women in schools are making false claims here? Maybe we can try to solve both problems, instead of just ignoring one so that the other goes away. This is an app that's trying to reduce sexual assault.

      It's of course notoriously hard to get data, but the overall rate of false reporting is thought to be between 2% and 10%. This is bad, but the other 90-98% of the claims are *also* pretty bad. So maybe there was actualy only 22.5% of girls on campus experiencing it, and what they're experiencing is "only" physically-forced sexual touching. Still shitty.

      When trying to figure out how to end false reports of rape or sexual assault, you have to come up with a better solution than "don't prosecute any sexual assaults / don't put any effort whatsoever into their prevention", that's ridiculous.

      It might have helped if Cosby was Callisto'd.

    5. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Notice how "evidence" and "courts" aren't words used anywhere in this.

      That's because universities are not the criminal justice system. If a victim wants to file criminal charges, that's a completely separate process, independent of whatever the university does. The university data may be subpoenaed, and an online database is almost certainly not protected by patient-counselor privilege, but the court would need to validate that data for trial.

      This is about university disciplinary hearings, which have the historical perception of bias against the woman. ie "she was asking for it," "she only changed her mind afterward," or "keep this quiet because it would hurt the university." There's perception, at least on the part of women, that this bias is facilitated by most of the faculty being men, thus identifying with the alleged perpetrator, and by the secretive nature of the hearings, thus making it hard to find patterns of repeated behavior. Those university-internal investigations are serious, even if not criminal, and a disciplinary panel that accepts a bunch of blog posts without following up to verify is dangerously incompetent. University disciplinary findings are protected student information, beyond the outcome, so other schools or potential employers won't know whether the expulsion is for sexual assault or for pissing in the dean's lunchbox.

      Sure, people could conspire to use this tool to make false accusations, but conspirators so set on disrupting a boy's life don't need a tool. This is not "Click a button to expel Johnny Boogerhead." This is a way to collect names of people who might corroborate an open accuser's claims.

      BULLSHIT.

      RAPE is a heinous crime.

      This trivializes rape - if it's a true accusation, the rapist isn't prosecuted.

      But the entire point is to support false and/or accusations that don't have independent supporting evidence.

      You know, the DUE PROCESS required by that pesky CONSTITUTION.

      Because, you know, SJW!!!!!!

    6. Re:Open to abuse, by design by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      You haven't though this through. To make an allegation you need the victim's name and probably their student ID. There need to be details of what happened. Any script that attempts to do this is doing to be really, really obvious. And the data is visible to the people running the service, who are doubtless looking out for this kind of abuse.

      Even worse, if it did somehow work and escalated, there would be an investigation into those 33 rape claims and the alleged victims would be asked about them. Better hope their stories match what the script randomly generated.

      Also, who said anything about "social justice", this is about the reporting of crime. Given recent history, it seems like Mens Rights Activists are more likely to try something like this.

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    7. Re:Open to abuse, by design by jedidiah · · Score: 2

      > It's insane that you see "25% of women in %demographic% have experienced 'nonconsensual penetration or sexual touching involving physical force or incapacitation,'", and your reaction is "those lying btiches!".

      [eyeroll]

      Not to anyone that's had at least one course in statistics...

      Or to anyone that's been subjected to corporate sexual harassment training...

      Or to anyone that's been subjected to campus indoctrination on this subject...

      "Sexual touching" could be distorted to mean anything.

      Again, the numbers are being intentionally distorted to create a story where there may or may not even be one.

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    8. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I've read, this was especially extorted because they basically handed this out to like minded individuals who wanted to see this issue pushed above all others.

    9. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a ridiculous person. HOW WOULD YOU GET THEIR STUDENT ID? Would you need to ask your rapist for it? You don't need their student ID to report it!!!! Christ, I've noticed you here on slashdot and you are completely ridiculous SJW.

    10. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not about reporting crime. You report crime promptly to the police.

      This is about blackballing people.

    11. Re:Open to abuse, by design by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      I'd go one step further; if the university has what it considers to be a good-faith basis to believe that somebody has committed criminal sexual assault, and they don't pass that information on to law enforcement, doesn't that make them something like accessories after the fact? Culpable if the subject strikes again? Open to civil suit by a future victim?

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    12. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah why not make an appointment to rate people if they cheat or not. If they are clean or not. If they are easy to live with or nightmare to deal with.

      Is it a bad app if it affects both men and women?

    13. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You made up a fake strawman to defend the status quo of so many people being raped. You are the problem. You also, probably, never get laid.

    14. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Demonstrate, in any way, that we have "an adequately functional" legal system. Our legal system has two major problems in rape cases. 1) is that the only way for a man to defend himself is to drag the accuser through the mud and publically shame them for being a slut. 2) The victim has to tell at least 3 dozen people, on at least 10 occasions, about a very traumatic, personal experience. That's hardly fair for either the victim or the accused.

    15. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reporting of crime? Seriously? There are standard places & practices for 'reporting a crime'...use those. Claiming that those standard places or people don't 'help' or are negative towards the accuser or somehow otherwise prevent the accuser from 'getting justice' is assuming the accuser is telling the truth and/or that a crime actually occurred...but this isn't about 'reporting a crime' at all, it's about reporting any damn 'slight' someone may feel they have been subjected to...there may indeed be people who have been raped that use this tool but that is by no means assured & this is the WORST way to try to actually get justice...

    16. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To make an allegation you need the victim's name and probably their student ID.

      To make a sexual assault allegation, you need to make a police report and probably get a lawyer. We have this little thing called a legal system. It might not be much of a justice system, but it's a lot better than having a "social-justice" system run by upper-middle class lunatics combining the guile learned from a lifetime of postmodern education with the emotional mentality of a toddler.

      Honestly it would be better if the university hired the Mafia to simply beat people. The Mafia would have limits.

    17. Re:Open to abuse, by design by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      So, the question is: why are the universities imposing a paralegal system when we have an adequately functional one? Disciplinary committees are NOT intended to deal with criminal activities, particularly activities that they don't have the capacity to assess.

      Colleges are unique environments: many of them consider themselves to be essentially reality-with-training-wheels. Places where students can experience their independence with relatively low consequences for mistakes. Their disciplinary systems are set up around righting wrongs where everyone is willing to give the perpetrator another chance. As you say, they are explicitly not for dealing with criminal behavior.

      In cases of sexual assault, it is the victim's prerogative whether to pursue criminal proceedings or 'collegeal' discipline. Considering that we are often talking about sexual encounters involving alcohol or drugs, involving people without much experience communicating or much understanding of their own social boundaries, these cases seem like they could often be reconciled without the criminal justice system.

      The data escrow TFA describes seems like it would be a useful system for helping to understand whether a particular incident is an honest misunderstanding of intention or part of a predatory pattern.

    18. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't though this through. To make an allegation you need the victim's name and probably their student ID. There need to be details of what happened. Any script that attempts to do this is doing to be really, really obvious. And the data is visible to the people running the service, who are doubtless looking out for this kind of abuse.

      Even worse, if it did somehow work and escalated, there would be an investigation into those 33 rape claims and the alleged victims would be asked about them. Better hope their stories match what the script randomly generated.

      Also, who said anything about "social justice", this is about the reporting of crime. Given recent history, it seems like Mens Rights Activists are more likely to try something like this.

      No, this is vigilante justice. Why not just hire you're own police and create your own jail while you're at it. There's a legal system for all of this and it should be used. If it doesn't meet the needs, the we need to change it.

    19. Re:Open to abuse, by design by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Thing is, a good-faith basis isn't enough to convict. If a guy has six separate reports against him, he's probably violating the Student Code of Conduct and could be expelled (I assume there's opportunity for defense here). If a guy has raped six women, he can't get convicted unless there is very good evidence for one rape. There's a difference there.

      BTW, I'm not all that knowledgeable about rape kits, but a lot of it is to get the perp's DNA and hair for later identification. If it is known that Joe had sex with Jane, and the question is whether it was consensual, they're less useful.

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    20. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, rape kits amongst other things look for defensive wounds common in forced penetration. If those can be found, that is strong evidence that a penetration happened against her will, thus evidence for rape. If Jane had sex with Joe but don't show any sign whatsoever of forced penetration, the sex was most likely consensual and the kit can only be used to establish that they had sex (assuming there is male DNA to collect).

    21. Re:Open to abuse, by design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And thats why the system is adequate: innocent until proven guilt is the way justice must work, otherwise we would be back in the witch burning times.

      Is not really that hard: all non consensual sex is rape, but the victim HAS to proof in court that a) sex happened and b) he or she didn't consent to it. If there is no evidence of either point, the case doesn't have any merit and should be thrown out for lack of evidence. And no, testimony from the victim by itself is not enough evidence for a conviction.

      If the victim wants a strong case, he or she has to physically oppose the rape and report it immediately to the police, so proper evidence can be collected. Lacking that, and reliable witnesses of the incident, nothing can be done in a court of law. And that is good, because otherwise the onus to proof that you didn't kill Kennedy, are member ISIS or kill kittens in your spare time would be on YOU.

    22. Re:Open to abuse, by design by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Ok, so either a) the university is simply going on accusations, which means anybody can have anybody expelled, or b) they need to let the legal system do it's job, and not act like a kangaroo court.

      If a student has six accusations against him, the university should pass that along to law enforcement, let them do a proper investigation, and either charge or not charge the student, and let the legal system find him guilty or not guilty. They can't have it both ways, though; if he's suspect enough to expel, he's suspect enough to be properly investigated. If he's not suspect enough to be properly investigated, he's not suspect enough to be expelled.

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    23. Re:Open to abuse, by design by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I had been unaware of that.

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    24. Re:Open to abuse, by design by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Why? The University can control who enrolls there. There is no fundamental right to attend a particular educational institution.

      There are different levels of proof here, and different criteria as to what proof is needed. I might be confident beyond reasonable doubt that not all of the ten women who filed reports are lying, and still be unable to convince a jury that one specific incident was rape. Therefore, if the University provides that information to the police, the police might be unable to find a case the prosecutor is willing to take to court.

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    25. Re:Open to abuse, by design by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about the University's rights to accept or deny students based on more-or-less arbitrary criteria.

      I'm saying that if the University considers a person to be suspect of committing a crime, they probably have a legal duty to report that to law enforcement, not simply send the student somewhere else where they can continue. Especially in cases such as sexual assault, which have a major impact on victims.

      If my daughter were raped on campus, and I found out that the accused had been expelled from another University for having multiple accusations piled up, but was never reported to the police, I'd be after them like something that goes after something else really fast and hard.

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  8. Problematic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember when there was a consent app that SJWs tore into because it would've destroyed this narrative?

    I do.

    What's with all the lefty nonsense on slashdot recently? Somebody signaling?

    1. Re:Problematic! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting, do you have links? To the app itself (or its description) and the reactions.

    2. Re:Problematic! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/...

      Not saying that matches the reaction indicated, but at least gives you enough info to dig further.

  9. Anonymous rape claims by starworks5 · · Score: 4, Informative

    its like 4chan, for rape.

    But seriously, as soon as I saw the ada initiative on there, i knew it was bullshit. Selena Deklemann herself tried to entrap me once as an enemy of feminsts, by trying to cajoule me into going to meet her behind the florist dumpster alone, and after i repeatedly refused accused me of harassing her at Open Source Bridge.

    Then there is the matter that the founder of the ada initaitive, which is also listed in there, currently has a federal case open for a false rape claim against her husband, among others that she has made over the years to others, except for the fact that she killed herself over the issue. Schwern vs Plunkett

    1. Re:Anonymous rape claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its like 4chan, for rape.

      But seriously, as soon as I saw the ada initiative on there, i knew it was bullshit. Selena Deklemann herself tried to entrap me once as an enemy of feminsts, by trying to cajoule me into going to meet her behind the florist dumpster alone, and after i repeatedly refused accused me of harassing her at Open Source Bridge.

      Then there is the matter that the founder of the ada initaitive, which is also listed in there, currently has a federal case open for a false rape claim against her husband, among others that she has made over the years to others, except for the fact that she killed herself over the issue. Schwern vs Plunkett

      The world would be a better place if more false rape accusers would an hero.

    2. Re:Anonymous rape claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    3. Re:Anonymous rape claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its like 4chan, for rape.

      But seriously, as soon as I saw the ada initiative on there, i knew it was bullshit. Selena Deklemann herself tried to entrap me once as an enemy of feminsts, by trying to cajoule me into going to meet her behind the florist dumpster alone, and after i repeatedly refused accused me of harassing her at Open Source Bridge.

      Then there is the matter that the founder of the ada initaitive, which is also listed in there, currently has a federal case open for a false rape claim against her husband, among others that she has made over the years to others, except for the fact that she killed herself over the issue. Schwern vs Plunkett

      Wasn't the Ada Initiative dissolved in Oct after they couldn't find a new Executive Director? http://adainitiative.org/2015/...

    4. Re:Anonymous rape claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They also ran out of money when several corporate backers pulled out. Not many people in the SF Bay Area are willing to work pro bono, especially when the organization's actual power is in the hands of lunatics.

  10. Vague definitions, intentional misinterpretation by tomxor · · Score: 2

    nonconsensual sex or touching

    Whoa... i know you have to pick a range for your checkbox but this is a rather large one, but of course that is the trick, everyone will focus on non-consensual sex when a rather large proportion of that is will be non-consensual touching, magnifying there numbers... why don't you do a study on males with "non-consensual violence and touching" same thing.

    *brushes past someone in hallway* interpreted as -> He pushed me he pushed me... waaaaa

    It's a shame because studies like these will do very little for the real cases of non-consensual sex by devaluing the more honest studies.

  11. Wait... by EmeraldBot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In the article, it mentions female undergraduates, and only females. Guess what, men get raped too. Why is there no insurance for that case? Because every man is an insaitable sexual animal who can't do anything but assault the nearest woman? That's not very gender equal, is it, to automatically assume that the male is automatically the rapist? Isn't this the very definition of sexism, to treat someone differently solely by gender?

    That's ignoring the absurdity of not checking this in court or anything either. In some states, rape is a capital crime, punishable by death in the US. If another person and I have a vendetta against someone, can't we just file two reports? Boom, no proof required, no pesky legal checking. Minimum, they'd be ruined for the rest of their whole lives: potentially, they could wind up on death roll (in some places). That'd be indirect murder, clearly a very funny college prank, yes?

    It's astonishing to me how no one thought this through or even put aside their cultural biases to do any research into this whatsoever.

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    1. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Duh, only men believe that men can be raped. And all men are rapists so you shouldn't believe them.

    2. Re:Wait... by jmac_the_man · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You're 100% correct in your point about rape investigations, like all criminal investigations, should be a job for actual police and courts with a responsibility to protect the right of the (potentially falsely) accused.

      However,

      In some states, rape is a capital crime, punishable by death in the US.

      is wrong. The only capital crime under any state law is murder. There's a few others at the Federal level (treason and the like), but rape isn't punishable by death anywhere in the United States.

    3. Re:Wait... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      If another person and I have a vendetta against someone, can't we just file two reports? Boom, no proof required, no pesky legal checking.

      You could do that anyway. There's are these phsyical places called I think "police app stores", where you can talk to a human police app in person and report a crime.

      IOW being an app does not alter any of the fundamentals.

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    4. Re:Wait... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      You're 100% correct in your point about rape investigations, like all criminal investigations, should be a job for actual police and courts with a responsibility to protect the right of the (potentially falsely) accused.

      However,

      In some states, rape is a capital crime, punishable by death in the US.

      is wrong. The only capital crime under any state law is murder. There's a few others at the Federal level (treason and the like), but rape isn't punishable by death anywhere in the United States.

      According to this, you're incorrect.
      http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.or...

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    5. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think this will only be used by women? Rape of men is even more undereported than rape of women.

    6. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't your link say the Supreme Court struck down those laws?

    7. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except liability for making a false report - making a false report through the current human police app process is a crime itself, through this app, it is not, a big difference.

    8. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that filing a false police report is in itself a crime, it isn't a crime to use this app to falsely accuse anyone...so yes 'being an app' DOES alter the fundamentals...exactly as anonymity on the web alters peoples behaviour towards each other...

    9. Re:Wait... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Why do you think men won't use the app when raped? The fact that their complaint can be held secret until other complaints come along is likely to be better for men who get raped than woman who get raped.

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    10. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the article, it mentions female undergraduates, and only females. Guess what, men get raped too.

      Oh for crying out loud, why is there always a barrage of useless comments (getting modded insightful) that have to point out that the dilemma/scenario being described in a topic or article *also* applies to a separate group as well? Comments like these are often a pestilence seen on reddit - one person makes a comment on how people of race (x) or group (x) or religion (x) tend to do (y), and some "insightful" commenter has to reply "Hey! people in (z) also tend to do (y) too!". It's either that or an "insightful" response that illustrates that the same issue applies to people in the outside Venn diagram. Guess what, nothing in the article ever suggested than men don't get raped too.

      Why is there no insurance for that case? Because every man is an insaitable sexual animal who can't do anything but assault the nearest woman?

      I don't know what you're talking about here, but the *only* instance in this journalistic piece that specifically mentions women, is paragraph quoting statistics - "According to a recent study of 27 schools, about one-quarter of female undergraduates... ". That's it. Every other verb in this article is gender-neutral, using the words "people", "students" or "survivors". "Female" is most likely used here because the 25% number is higher than it would be for both men and women; so at worst, it's simply selective statistics to make a case here (evokes a stronger reaction than simply saying 20% of people or 15% of people when men are included in the sample size. But as for your point, There is nothing in this article that suggests this app can only be used by women to report sexual assault, and there is no indication whatsoever that this app can only be used to report on men . Please do us a favor, and stop posting these straw-men comments that imply that the article's contents only apply to a specific group of people, when nothing of the sort is mentioned.

    11. Re:Wait... by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      It's weird that you'd like about this, but your link agrees with what I said. As reported by your link, the Supreme Court struck down state level laws that imposed capital punishment for offenses other than murder.

    12. Re:Wait... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      No, you stated that "The only capital crime under any state law is murder.", which is incorrect as shown. None of those statues shows it being struck down, only sentences overturned in a single case, and one for the military (not state law).

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    13. Re:Wait... by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1
      That's what stare decisis is for. If a high court rules on something, lower courts deciding future cases are supposed to rule according to how the higher court ruled in the earlier case.

      I'm suspicious of your motives, but I have no idea what they are. However, I can't believe you've never heard of precedent.

  12. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    I once tracked down the "one in four" number. It turns out they include all drunken sex, all cases of not asking permission at each step and pretty much every other bullshit thing they could throw in to inflate the number. And why am I reading this on Slashdot anyway?

    1. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why am I reading this on Slashdot anyway?

      There's an app involved, so they have an excuse.

  13. Re:Rape in America versus India. by Flavianoep · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Official rates doesn't tell all the truth: in societies where women are repressed, rape cases are likely to go unreported. BTW, it's very unlikely that there are more cases of rape in the US, where there is not a tradition of classifying some women are outcasts, nor anyone there says that outcast women deserve rape.

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  14. Why aren't college rape claims reported to police? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously - why aren't college rape and sexual assault claims immediately reported to the police? Not campus police, but the local city or state police?

    What good is there in keeping a rape or sexual assault claim "in house" to be handled by the college? This is not the job of the college. This is the job of law enforcement and the judicial system. If there's a conviction, then the college can expel the guilty party without any bad publicity.

  15. Nonconsensual touching? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Do they only count nonconsensual sexual touching, or all nonconsensual touching?

    Personally, I've been a "victim" of nonconsensual, NON-sexual touching lots of time. Every time there is some kind of family gathering, and plenty of other cases, like job interviews.

    Fricking extroverts and their hand-shaking fetish.

  16. Why are american male students so rapey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please explain. Sexual assault among students is almost unheard of in my country..

    1. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Max_W · · Score: 1

      Please explain. Sexual assault among students is almost unheard of in my country..

      Sexual assault is evenly distributed around the globe. About 33% of women were sexually assaulted at least one time. These figures are readily available at the WHO website.

      In some countries it is 29% in some 32%, but it is an issue of reporting. This figure seems to be geographically independent, and corresponds to Homo Sapiens in general.

      I think the women should also take some part of responsibility. They should be stronger. For example, it is close to impossibe to assault these women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... . It just would be suicidal.

    2. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those crazy numbers are a feminist lie. If they were true, it would mean American college campuses are a couple of orders of magnitude more dangerous than the poorest, most decadent cities in the country.

    3. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look at a woman in the US its called sexual assault.

      The definition is different here is the problem.

    4. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep..here are some actual examples I have seen on the internet..

      If as man you don't like looks at you to much...rape..
      If a man beats you in a computer game...rape...
      If you willingly have sex but regret it later...rape...

      Seriously some of these people see nearly everything men do as rape..because it supports the 'patriarchy' which is metaphorically funking them all the time..

      It's getting pretty insane really..

    5. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because we're talking about a society that considers men who sit on the subway with their legs too far open a form of sexual assault.

    6. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      These figures are readily available at the WHO website.

      Could you provide a link please?

    7. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Max_W · · Score: 1
    8. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      Just wondering why they don't stick to their charter, i.e. health. Credibility is a precious thing to waste, and if people start doubting WHO, they might engage in risky behavior (not using protection, etc.)

    9. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Max_W · · Score: 1

      But this is not only the WHO. It is a major scientific discovery of recent years. I was recently at the conference about violence against women. This is what people talk about.

      It seems that the level of violence against women is almost the same all over the world, if measured not by existing reports, but by an independent research. The idea now is that it is the nature of the Homo Sapience.

      And violence against women is a major health issue and not only of women, of men too. Read this documentary book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    10. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      From the study that's taken from:

      It should be noted that intimate partner violence also includes emotional abuse (being humiliated, insulted, intimidated or threatened, for example) and controlling behaviours by a partner, such as not being allowed to see friends or family

      Insulting a woman is sexual abuse? The reason these numbers always sound so high is because they do shit like this to pad the numbers.

    11. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I at least appreciate you clumping 'of men too' in to your last sentence...because as it sits men are FAR more likely to be victims of violence than women...of course you'd never know that from the likes of the WHO...where for instance is a WHO report on 'violence against men'? Odd that I can easily find the report on women just by googling but I can't find any such equivalent for men...as such I'll believe reports from the likes of WHO when they demonstrate they are unbiased in their reporting...

    12. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the likes of the WHO start covering the equally prevalent or maybe more pressing issue of violence against men than & only than will I start to believe a single thing they say....violence has no 'gender bias', enough with everyone assuming women are such delicate flowers that they need special protection...

      http://equalitycanada.com/cause/violenceagainstmen/#anchor1

    13. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When has the WHO been known as a bastion of reliability? They continue to suppress, deny and intimidate anyone with a narrative different than their own (e.g. 'women are victims, men are perpetrators')....feel free to point to their 'violence against men' survey...

      http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V74-gender-symmetry-with-gramham-Kevan-Method%208-.pdf

    14. Re:Why are american male students so rapey? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Violence against men is a larger health issue for men. It's also far more prevalent than violence against women.

  17. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Exactly.

    It's not PC to say, but most of these women out themselves in bad situations. Not usually by how they dress, but by the things they do, usually heavy partying, drinking and drugs. If these women stayed away from these situations, they probably wouldn't experience any of this. Of course, it doesn't excuse the perpetrators, but it's just the reality of the situation.

    I'd bet my anal virginity that 90+% of these situations involved alcohol being consumed.

    Women, you have two choices. Party and risk being in an uncomfortable situation from time to time, or avoid the parties and have an extremely low risk. Again, doesn't make it right, and campuses should try to reduce this unwanted contact, but but we can't deny it's just the way things are. The choice is yours.

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  18. Re: Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The truth is there are more males being raped in America than females (most in the prison system). Of course, this never gets reported by the media, and if it's ever mentioned, it's only for a cheap laugh.

    So feminists, if you're really for equality, when are you gonna stand up for these men?

  19. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by dave420 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I can't believe I just read that in the 21st century. It's staggering that you think that. It's not "PC" to say what you did because it's fucking ridiculous. Women know the risks, but that doesn't in any way excuse anyone who thinks it's fine to just go raping people. Women shouldn't have to tame their behaviour because some guys can't handle it. That's the thinking in fundamentalist religious communities where women have strict dress codes.

    You are living in the past.

  20. Re:Rape in America versus India. by Kartu · · Score: 2

    "or touching" does wonders.

  21. So it's a libel app cool by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

    An app the collects anonymous accusations with timestamps and holds them in escrow. Na that can never be abused.

    Oh yea get some clickfraud people on it and suddenly every male on any campus has a report or 12 all came from unique IP's did their capcha's etc.

    This needs to be litigated to death and the idiots that made it be held personally responsible. A massive financial crater to show just how stupid this is, to dissuade others from being this foolish.

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    1. Re:So it's a libel app cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fantastic tool for blackmail as well.

    2. Re:So it's a libel app cool by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The accusations aren't going to be anonymous when they're pulled out. It was always possible for several women to get together and accuse a man of raping all of them, so the app doesn't increase the danger. If off-campus people submit reports, they'll be identified: either the woman purportedly accusing is in the school records, or the administration can verify the report with her. The administration shouldn't be assumed to be entirely stupid here.

      The change is that a reporter can have her (or his) identity sealed until other victims report, and then the administration can start an investigation on violations of the Student Code of Conduct.

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    3. Re:So it's a libel app cool by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Shudder a school has no business dealing with a rape accusation that is the role of the courts and solely the courts to determine especially at public schools.

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  22. Sick of war by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    War on drugs, rape, poverty, etc. How about toning down the rhetoric - like say "a program to reduce college rapes".

    1. Re:Sick of war by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      But that wouldn't rhyme with "war on men".

  23. Re: Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem is, the guy's life is ruined EVEN IF IT'S A FALSE CLAIM. Just ask the Duke Lacrosse team how that works.

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  24. Sissies by pigsycyberbully · · Score: 0

    We don't have campus and all that. I went to a private school and I only had to slightly brushed past somebody and I would get a stiff on = an erection. I thought about my penis 24 hours a day and I was constantly desperate for sex I would have give it to anybody who wanted it! But I was lucky I come from a era where people understood and women understood that teenagers bollocks ruled their brain and women would keep them at arm's length. In my case fuck off was good enough for me. If the U.S. continue with all this constant henpecking you are going to end up having a generation of frustrated self abusing sissies. No offence to sissies.

  25. There is a simple answer to this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Everyone wears metal underpants which are locked with 3 keys - one held by the wearer, the second held by another person who wishes to participate in sex with first party, and the third is for registered sexual supervision officers who preside over the commencement of sex to ensure consent from both parties. Each person in turn inserts their keys and the other party's into the underpants unlocks the first 2 locks. Then they affirm that the encounter is consensual and noncoercive on the supplied forms (signed and witnessed), and finally the supervision officer unlocks the 3rd lock and sexual congress may proceed. After sexual conjugation has been completed, the officer returns to witness the underpants being returned to their worn and locked state.

    This should be very easy to implement and should become mandatory immediately.

    1. Re:There is a simple answer to this by Cederic · · Score: 1

      That doesn't resolve the mid-coitus change of mind that requires immediate disentanglement or it's rape. Or sexual assault, in the UK, if it's the man that changed his mind.

  26. Comment on comments by XB-70 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    As you read the initial comments about this article, a clear pattern emerges: a vast preponderance of comments refer to any lack of formal trail process, gaping cracks in the factoids quoted and major concern that males will be 'tried' and 'convicted' without due process.

    Sexual (and physical) assaults are crimes - but they are not crimes limited to one gender nor are limited to one gender upon another. Ideas like this perpetuate stereotypes while significantly reducing real rights and freedoms.

    Statistics have shown that lesbian people (as an example) experience domestic violence at a very similar rate to that of heterosexual women (Waldner-Haygrud, 1997; AVP, 1992). It has been estimated that between 17-45% of lesbians have been the victim of at least one act of violence perpetrated by a female partner (Burke et al, 1999; Lie et al, 1991), and that 30% of lesbians have reported sexual assault / rape by another woman (Renzetti, 1992).

    In short, if such a system is to be introduced, it needs to be gender neutral, have significant oversight and be tightly tied to the legal system.

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    1. Re:Comment on comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In short, if such a system is to be introduced, it needs to be gender neutral, have significant oversight and be tightly tied to the legal system." ... in other words, it needs to BE the legal system.
      Any "adjunct" system is wide open to abuse, and given the very literal lethality of sex crime accusations in the USA ... well, I wouldn't attend any university or college that had such a system in place.

      Social Justice Cretins abound.

    2. Re:Comment on comments by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

      It's actually much worse than that. The lumping together so-called "non-consensual touching" with sexual assault is a base and crass manipulation that nobody should be falling for. The authors of this so-called study need to be scrutinized and exposed; they should be roundly censured and openly mocked. I can't believe anybody is even responding to this as if it is legitimate in ANY way without first pointing out what a fallacy and gimmick this article is.

      If this has convinced me of anything, it's that there IS NOT any significant problem with sexual assault on campuses, and that the issue has been hijacked by liars and fraud, and that women are not deserving or in any need of any further protections.

      I'm just wondering how fucking stupid slashdotters have become, falling for a shitty piece of garbage like this article.

  27. Why escrow? by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    the idea of the information escrow is to reduce students' fears that the first person to make an accusation could face undue repercussions.

    Is that a realistic fear? And is it currently common for rape to go unreported because of this fear?

    1. Re:Why escrow? by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Yes. Especially if the perpetrator is somebody powerful. Like a celebrity or start football player. See Bill Cosby

    2. Re:Why escrow? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "or start [sic] football player"

      OOOOH that's a fantastic idea: slowly build up false claims against key players on NCAA teams, bet big against the teams in Vegas, unleash your false claims befor the big game so they're suspended pending investigation, $$PROFIT$$

      I'm gonna be soooooo rich! Thanks SJW's!

  28. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe its not PC to say what he said, but look at it this way. I have a 6 year old daughter. I am going to teach her (when she's older of course), "if, in college, you go to a party without any friends and get totally smashed and dress very revealing, your likelihood of something bad happening to you is going to rise dramatically. Use your common sense."

    Is it non-PC to tell my daughter that? Should I instead say, "honey, do whatever you want, get drunk, show your cleavage, go to parties where you don't know anyone. Cause you know, nothing that happens is ever your fault."

  29. Re:Rape in America versus India. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The sad irony is that Indian men can be accused and convicted of rape if they refuse to marry a woman after they have sex with her. That's the law in India.

  30. Re:Why aren't college rape claims reported to poli by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the average coed has a much much looser definition of what constitutes rape. Many things they see as rape don't even get close to the legal definition. So the cops would laugh them out of the station. While at the colleges the broader definitions are encouraged and supported.

  31. Just ... what?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As game theorist Michael Chwe points out, the fact that each person creates her report independently makes it less likely they'll later be accused of submitting copycat reports, if there are similarities between the incidents.

    Because there would never be any way for two (or more) people to coordinate similar reports outside of being able to read each others reports online ...

  32. Whose definition of sexual assault? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Activists rightly claim that sexual assault is one of the worst things a victim can go through. So why would anyone want to put someone through that?

    Several months ago, the University of Michigan released a flawed survey claiming 22.5 percent of undergrad women at the university had been sexually assaulted. That's not actually the case — the study, like others, offered a broad definition of sexual assault guaranteed to elicit a high response.

    Now, the researcher behind that survey is saying he was surprised that the number one write-in response from students as to why they didn't report the alleged sexual assault to an official was because "it was no big deal."

  33. "digital" sexual assault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As in... fingering ?

  34. Face repercussions? What a load of garbage! by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    Campus tribunals operate without even a pretense of being governed by anything resembling due process for the accused. They typically have no right to an attorney, right to question the accuser, heck sometimes they literally aren't even told what the formal charge is. Then when they lose, they face expulsion. Sure they can "just attend another university," but they have an expulsion on their record that they have to explain. If they are on student loans and no one else picks them up, that is a very costly matter as well.

    1. Re:Face repercussions? What a load of garbage! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And sometimes there is no attempt at investigation, all attempts at covering up, but it's okay because the victim can just go to another university.

      It goes both ways when you have people whose interests are directly in conflict with the interests of both the victim and the accused.

    2. Re:Face repercussions? What a load of garbage! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why are they involved at all again?

  35. But that study is a load of bollocks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like the "20% sexual assault" it "interprets" answers given to produce the answer they provide in the conclusion.

    If you don't say you don't want to be touched, then STFU.

    If you find it uncomfortable, please consider how uncomfortable it is for me to have your tits wobbling around in my field of view and be continually worried that, because I'm not a hot bod, you will accuse me of leching. Consider how uncomfortable I am made to be alone with a woman who merely has to proclaim I assaulted her for me to be placed on a LIFETIME register of offenders and ostracised from society. Because we should just "listen and believe". Please consider how uncomfortable it is for me when you approach me in a pub for conversation when I don't know what you're doing and know that if I don't accommodate what you expect me to do, it will be MY fault.

    Seriously. I've been told by a woman who approached me and my friend with her friend, we got chatting, and I didn't flirt back (remember, if she's drinking, she may not be able to give INFORMED consent and that means I'm a rapist) and her friend walked off to the toilet, and she said "Do you want some advice? Women enjoy the chase". But that's also sexual harassment from me. It's being a pervert. A lech. A creep.

    So how the fuck am I supposed to feel around women who have all the power and all the discretion.

    What if the woman presenter were male? Especially an older and well-known "virile presenter"?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N0MKuoTb5A

    How much inappropriate touching happened there?

    But HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO REFUSE IT.

    1. Re:But that study is a load of bollocks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's pretty simple.

      If you're within what she considers to be the top 10% of males, it's never rape. If you're not, it's always rape (talking to her is rape, you creep).

  36. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by gyroheli · · Score: 5, Informative
    Well i can believe i just read another indoctrinated individual that was fed some propaganda in the 21st century.

    Women shouldn't have to tame their behaviour because some guys can't handle it

    Police officers shouldn't have to wear heavy uncomfortable bullet proof vests because some gun wielding criminals can't handle being good law abiding citizens. That's about as sensical as your statement. It's unrealistic to expect there to be no criminals, just as it is unrealistic to expect there to be no rapists. "They can't handle it" cause that's the stereotypical macho masculine view. That a man should just man up and if he doesn't he's a pussy that can't handle it. Fuck things like mental health or how he grew up or whatever the fuck else right? Being piss drunk makes you an easier target as you can't think/control your bodily normally. By no means does not drinking remove all risk, it just reduces it. It's hysterical that rather than acknowledging that fact, you'd rather refute it by saying we should be living in some utopia where no one does any wrong. Fuck off.

  37. Don't tell me to lock up my valuables! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell people not to steal!

    Don't refuse my insurance claim because I left my doors unlocked!

    Don't refuse my injury compensation because I refused to wear safety goggles!

    Don't tell me to wear a helmet when cycling!

    Do you know what you're insisting on? You're insisting that women have no agency, that they cannot act, they can only be acted on. You are objectifying women and insisting that they can do NOTHING and cannot be expected to do anything themselves. That the only changes can be done by the actions of others, the males, who are the only ones with agency, who are not objects that are merely acted upon.

    Don't tell you to take precautions?

    Then when you get raped, don't tell me to prosecute and find the rapist guilty. Don't tell rapists not to rape, tell women not to get raped!

  38. Is the other party notified too? by rkerr32257 · · Score: 1

    Does the system also immediately notify the male (presumably) so that he can immediately enter evidence of his defense while memory is fresh, he can recall which witnesses were around, and so forth? I'm guessing probably not.

  39. Feminist Thought Police App by Dekonega · · Score: 2

    What are you doing America? Your universities and colleges are turning into a Marxists hug boxes. Apps like these will be used by PC feminist girls to hunt down the people they disagree with men and women alike. Though police is soon a reality.

  40. Americans: Why do you live at College campus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, this drives up your student loans and just keeps you involved 24/7 with people who don't give a fuck about college because they also live on campus too but just want to fuck around. Instead, why not commute to college, save money, eat good meals at home instead of ordering out all the time or school meals because you can't really cook at college, actually get schoolwork done without dorm distractions, and generally have a better experience. Plus you won't get caught blackout drunk around frat freaks which apparently keeps happening.

  41. Benefit of the doubt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would think that you wouldn't have doubt if you were actually raped. If you are unsure, you probably didn't do much to communicate that you weren't interested.

  42. I see this claim a lot. It is false. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you tell the university about it and it deals with it internally, then any findings of false accusation are a civil matter at best. If you tell the police about it, then any findings of false accusation are a criminal matter at best.

    Not to mention universities aren't equipped to deal with criminal forensics or collecting a jury for a trial.

  43. War this, War that ... by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    Could we please agree on ceasing the inflationary use of the term "War".
    It's getting tiring.

    Thank you.

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    1. Re:War this, War that ... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      We need to declare war on "wars".

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  44. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Women, you have two choices. Party and risk being in an uncomfortable situation from time to time, or avoid the parties and have an extremely low risk.

    What about the third choice: party, but don't drink (spiked) alcohol or use drugs? After all, it's only fair to have fun when you're young. After college, her boss will turn her into a hamster, spinning the job hamster wheel for the next 20-30 years as a wage slave.

  45. Good god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At this point I'm convinced that even if we somehow removed all male students from campus... the remaining women would still accuse the other remaining women of rape, somehow.

    This sh!t is just way out of hand.

    1. Re: Good god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they'd still accuse the men of rape, even if they were half way across the country.

    2. Re:Good god by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Some subjects the feminists seem curiously quiet about.
      http://www.autostraddle.com/wh...

  46. Shitarama by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Shitarama! Did I sleep right through Thursday again?

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  47. Umm... no. You are misrepresenting the issue. by denzacar · · Score: 5, Informative

    From TFS:
    https://www.aau.edu/uploadedFi...

    Overall, 11.7 percent of students across the 27 universities reported experiencing nonconsensual penetration or sexual touching by force or incapacitation since enrolling at the IHE.

    Which is about HALF of the fabled 25%.

    The magic 25% (i.e. the long parroted and continuously debunked legend of 1 in 4 women being raped) was reached through following fiddling of numbers.
    Again, from TFS:

    To assess the overall risk of nonconsensual sexual contact, prevalence measures were estimated that combine the two behaviors that constitute sexual contact (penetration and sexual touching) and the four tactics discussed above (physical or threat of physical force; incapacitation; coercion; AAC [Absence of Affirmative Consent]).

    Absence of Affirmative Consent being a catch-all category for any kind of "explicit" and "active, ongoing voluntary agreement" of "both partners".

    The question that makes 11.7% into "1 in 4 women" being:

    Since you have been a student at [University], has someone had contact with you involving penetration or oral sex without your active, ongoing voluntary agreement? Examples include someone:
    - initiating sexual activity despite your refusal
    - ignoring your cues to stop or slow down
    - went ahead without checking in or while you were still deciding
    - otherwise failed to obtain your consent

    When that question, which no longer talks about rape but about failure to read minds and thus tell if someone is still deciding and a failure to "otherwise obtain consent" (possibly in written form) we get the magical 1 in 4 numbers.
    Which would dictate that every family that has at least one female child, also has at least one rape victim (two grandmas + mom + daughter = 1 of them must be have been raped).

    But even then more fiddling with numbers is needed to reach the magic 1 in 4 value. Such as limiting the survey response to seniors only.

    According to the AAU survey, 16.5 percent of seniors experienced sexual contact involving penetration or sexual touching as a result of physical force or incapacitation. Senior females (26.1%) and those identifying as TGQN (29.5%) are, by far, the most likely to experience this type of victimization.

    And if it needs to be more obvious that they get those numbers by padding the set and expanding the time frame...

    Students who are relatively new to school may experience higher risk because they are not as familiar with situations that may lead to an incident of sexual assault or misconduct.
    Examination of the rates for the current academic year show this pattern holds for undergraduate females.
    Among freshmen, 16.9 percent of females reported sexual contact by physical force or incapacitation.
    This percentage steadily declines by year in school to a low of 11.1 percent for seniors.

    And then there are other issues...
    Like defining "penetration" as "when someone's mouth or tongue makes contact with someone else's genitals", without defining whose mouth and whose genitals are in question.
    The way question is defined, both giving and receiving oral sex constitutes penetration.
    On whom? Well... On both giver and receiver of oral sex, according to such a loose definition.

    Or "physical force" being defined as "holding you down with his or her body weight, pinning your arms, hitting or kicking you, or using or threatening to use a weapon against you".
    Which equates physical violence and a gun to your head with "being on the bottom".

    Or how numbers reported don't really match up.
    Like penetration numbers for fem

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    1. Re:Umm... no. You are misrepresenting the issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not only that, but a survey is very different from a study. Surveys are generally self selecting.

    2. Re:Umm... no. You are misrepresenting the issue. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Overall, 11.7 percent of students across the 27 universities reported experiencing nonconsensual penetration or sexual touching by force or incapacitation since enrolling at the IHE.

      Which is about HALF of the fabled 25%.

      Actually, the claim was 25% of transexual / queer gendered females, not all females or all students. It's in TFA, it's just that the GP edited the quote to say "female students", which mislead you and apparently several other posters who also didn't RTFA.

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    3. Re:Umm... no. You are misrepresenting the issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HOLY SHIT is this missing the point.

      Are you a woman? I'm going to guess no? If I told you YOU had a >10% chance of being violently assaulted when you signed up for university, WOULD YOU REALLY BE FOCUSING SO MUCH ON WHETHER THE EXACT NUMBER WAS 10% OR 25%? Think for a damn minute.

      Dicking around about whether sexual assault is forced penetration or just unwanted touching when the number for forced penetration is SO HIGH is missing the point. Some people do call unwanted touching sexual assault (and while I agree there's a grey zone based on social context, it's a legitimate definition, even if it's not your preferred one -- nobody is talking about an accidental arm bump)! It sends a clear message that you don't really care about sexual assault. If you really think it's a bad study, you could just let it pass unnoticed like all the other bad studies you undoubtedly do.

      That sexual assault happens so often ought to be pretty uncontroversial. Do you think the real figure is 10%? 1%? Have you polled your women friends? Because I have heard enough credible stories of sexual assault from mine to think 10% is right -- and that is MESSED UP. We need to actually DO something about this instead of wasting time in armchair quarterback study nitpicking.

    4. Re:Umm... no. You are misrepresenting the issue. by tburkhol · · Score: 1

      The way question is defined, both giving and receiving oral sex constitutes penetration.

      To be fair, sex does generally involve two parties, both of whom are generally said to have "had sex" afterwards. If only one of those parties was willing, then the other has had non-consensual sex. It shouldn't matter whether the unwilling partner is the one with saliva all over their genitals or the one with the taste of genitalia in their mouth: an unwilling participant is unwilling.

      The numbers won't add up if there are individuals who were victim of more than one subcategory.

    5. Re:Umm... no. You are misrepresenting the issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other issues is that the categories are not broken down into M>F, F>F, M>M, and F>M. If you want to inform rather than scare women in college with how many men are just waiting to rape them, you should probably remove every result which is F>F, M>M, and F>M so you only have the results for males going after females.
      Of course that leads to a WAY lower number and when you want to make money for your crusade, you have to terrorize people and small numbers do not do that.
      All this is is the FOX news method of terrorizing people to get them to follow/obey/pay you.

    6. Re:Umm... no. You are misrepresenting the issue. by denzacar · · Score: 1

      The numbers won't add up if there are individuals who were victim of more than one subcategory.

      They have additional "both X and Y" categories. Numbers still don't match.
      You simply can't get those sums from those numbers.

      As for oral sex...
      A gives oral to B, though A doesn't really like doing that, but still does it cause A thinks that will keep their relationship stronger or cause A expects some quid pro quo later, or is returning a favor for an earlier case of sexual pleasuring by B.
      By said definition of penetration, A would answer "Yes" to unwanted penetration.

      And should A be in a 69 with B on top - A would also say "Yes" to being penetrated while being "physically forced".

      And thus consensual sex becomes rape.

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  48. Re:Why aren't college rape claims reported to poli by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because the average coed has a much much looser definition of what constitutes rape. Many things they see as rape don't even get close to the legal definition. So the cops would laugh them out of the station. While at the colleges the broader definitions are encouraged and supported.

    And to hell with such quaint notions as "due process" and "Constitutionally-protected rights of the accused".

  49. Effective, level-headed way by sycodon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a great idea.

    We can set up a system. Let's call it a "Criminal Justice System". Catchy, ain't it?

    Then, we train and hire people specifically to deal with "aggressors". We can split them up into "Cops","Prosecutors", and "Judges".

    I guess we'll need to pass some kind of rule or something that says you can't have sex with someone unless they want the same. And no Groping and stuff.

    So, once in place, any women is is raped or assaulted in any way, can file charges. The perp is taken away by the cops, the Prosecutor argues he should be take away for a long time, and the Judge agrees or disagrees. Maybe you can have something like a bunch of random people make that decision too.

    There ya go, an effective, level-headed way to deal with the aggressors!

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  50. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by ddtmm · · Score: 1

    Very well said!

  51. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, you just said:

    Women know the risks, but that doesn't in any way excuse anyone who thinks it's fine to just go raping people.

    That is interesting, because the post you replied to so angrily said the same thing, twice. I quote:

    Of course, it doesn't excuse the perpetrators,

    and:

    Again, doesn't make it right,

    So, you seem to have read what you wanted to read (and get pissed off about) rather than what was actually there.

    In this hypothetical scenario, the fact that the woman did several stupid things does not mitigate the perpetrators guilt at all. And nobody is claiming it does. Nobody is saying "well, since she got drunk at a party full of strangers and dressed provocatively, the rapist is not so guilty". Nobody believes that. Everyone agrees that the rapist is a rapist and should be prosecuted for rape. And *at the same time* the woman was very stupid and negligent in how she put herself at-risk.

    So, it was her fault that she got drunk, dressed provocatively, went to a party full of strangers, and (surprise, surprise), got raped. But that doesn't mean it is not the rapist's fault. People have such a hard time wrapping their heads around the fact that guilt is not a limited quantity. It is an abstract concept which applies fully to both parties, and neither's guilt in any way mitigates the other.

  52. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't let this comment go. Saying "Women shouldn't have to tame their behaviour because some guys can't handle it" is not indoctrinated propaganda. It's stating a simple fact.

  53. Re:Rape in America versus India. by Immerman · · Score: 2

    Really? From what I've heard women here may not be formally classified as outcasts, but often suffer from victim-blaming, and may see substantial backlash and condemnation if their attacker is popular or well-connected (athletes, actors, the wealthy, etc.) , which is often the case - as such people seem disproportionately likely to believe they are entitled to whatever they want.

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  54. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Immerman · · Score: 1

    No, giving the advice to avoid wolf-filled woods is always a good idea. But the fact that you wouldn't feel compelled to give your son the same advice (or at least not with the same urgency) is symptomatic of a deep sickness in our society.

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  55. Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There will be less rape if these dumb girls just gave consent more freely, amirite?

    1. Re:Simple Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a SJW trying to put words in others mouths.

      No one here in over 200 comments has said anything along those lines. If you got that from the comments then you have some serious biases, and need to consider seeking help.

      There are people that can help you.

  56. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are two major aspects to this. The aspect that seems to be en vogue to talk about is the perpetrators of the crime. The other aspect, that people get very upset when it's talked about, is how to avoid being a victim. As this thread shows, some people automatically assume that discussing how someone can avoid being a victim somehow excuses the behavior of the perpetrators. It doesn't. It merely acknowledges that there are circumstances beyond the control of the would-be victim, and that it is in that individual's interest to control those circumstances that they have influence over to avoid being victimized.

    When I meet to buy or sell property through the classifieds I am very mindful of the meeting place and the surrounding circumstances. I don't bring more money than I'm prepared to spend. I keep the money separate from the wallet. If what I'm purchasing or selling is small enough to be readily moved I pick locations that are public, visible, and in safe areas. I pick either times of day where it's light outside, or else I pick places that are more likely to be safe even at dusk or early evening. I leave a printout of where I went with the contact info, I tell someone, and depending on what it is or if I cannot satisfy some of these other conditions (like for large things that will be loaded into a vehicle once and only after purchase) I bring someone along. In any meeting place I attempt to maintain awareness of what's going on around me.

    I do these things because while it is completely against the law for someone to rob me, I know that there are people in this world that will try to rob me anyway. I could go through life without taking this kind of care and get indignant when I hear of robberies or when I'm robbed, or I can accept the fact that there are bad people, take precautions to not be harmed by them, and move on with my life.

    The nature of the discussion of rape is much of the time in fallacy. In many ways, the motivations of the robber and the rapist are not wholly dissimilar. Both want something. Both are willing to ignore the wants of the victim in order to get it. It's not about power, it's about being callous in taking what one wants against the will of the victim. Both obviously know that it's wrong, but they do it anyway because it's about what they want.

    I don't know how effective a system like the one the article describes is going to be. The prosecution of rape is already complicated by the nature of physical evidence and by the difficulty in distinguishing forced sexual contact with consensual sexual contact, becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate as time past the episode passes. Look at accusations against Bill Cosby, somewhere around forty women have accused him of sexually assaulting then, but without physical evidence collected at the time, all Mr. Cosby has to do is invoke his right to not speak with authorities and he will never see the inside of a courtroom. In the case of this escrow idea, if women don't go to the police/hospital to document their attack then justice cannot be served against the attacker. Conviction requires proof beyond a reasonable doubt. An accusation without supporting evidence does not meet that standard, even when everything in that accusation is true. I suspect that's why juries are asked to find a defendant either, "guilty," or, "not guilty," rather than, "guilty," or, "innocent." "Not guilty," does not mean innocent. It simply means that it could not be proven.

    So that brings us back to the whole point, try to avoid being a victim in the first place. Ideally all bad people would be caught or would stop, but pragmatically, bad people exist and being intelligent about the dangers in the world can prevent or reduce the number of bad things from happening to you.

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  57. Rape by DarkOx · · Score: 1

    Some victims are reluctant to report assaults because they aren't sure whether a crime occurred

    If as an adult, even a young one on a college campus, you don't KNOW if you were sexual assaulted, than I would argue you were NOT sexually assaulted. You just another special little snow flake that wants to blame someone else for the outcome, even if its nothing more than hurt feelings or shame, for your own poor choices.

    Either something happened forcibly and against your will or it did not. You were coerced in some way or not. Its really pretty f'ing simple.

    I am going to get accused of victim blaming here but I strongly feel the 'I was to drunk to consent' thing should not fly. If you put a bunch of highly intoxicated people together, someone is going to do something, they in retrospect think was a bad decision. If you are conscience enough to stand and speak you are conscious enough to consent, with proviso you have not been given an intoxicant without your knowledge. Its unfair to expect your 'attacker' to be able to evaluate your sobriety when they are also more than likely highly intoxicated as well.

    People simply have to be accountable for their own actions. If you knowing compromise your ability to make good decisions in a situation that isn't entirely safe, that includes only people you know well and trust completely you run the risk of making bad decisions. Including say 'okay' to that sceevy person propositioning you for sex because you don't remember the word 'no' at that moment.

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    1. Re:Rape by Theaetetus · · Score: 1

      Some victims are reluctant to report assaults because they aren't sure whether a crime occurred

      If as an adult, even a young one on a college campus, you don't KNOW if you were sexual assaulted, than I would argue you were NOT sexually assaulted. You just another special little snow flake that wants to blame someone else for the outcome, even if its nothing more than hurt feelings or shame, for your own poor choices.

      Either something happened forcibly and against your will or it did not. You were coerced in some way or not. Its really pretty f'ing simple.

      I am going to get accused of victim blaming here but I strongly feel the 'I was to drunk to consent' thing should not fly.

      No, you're not going to get accused of victim blaming - you're going to get accused of drugging women to rape them. Bill Cosby didn't use force, so by your logic, all of those women consented.

      If you are conscience enough to stand and speak you are conscious enough to consent, with proviso you have not been given an intoxicant without your knowledge.

      Fortunately, the law doesn't work that way. The law also understands that there may be multiple intoxicants at play, some of which may be with the victim's knowledge, like alcohol; and some of which may not, such as GHB.

      Its unfair to expect your 'attacker' to be able to evaluate your sobriety when they are also more than likely highly intoxicated as well.

      Multiple studies with confessed rapists show that they are typically not intoxicated, while seeking out victims that are substantially intoxicated.

      People simply have to be accountable for their own actions. If you knowing compromise your ability to make good decisions in a situation that isn't entirely safe, that includes only people you know well and trust completely you run the risk of making bad decisions.

      The majority of rapists know their victims.

      Basically, everything in your post is incorrect.

    2. Re:Rape by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      with proviso you have not been given an intoxicant without your knowledge

      which is exactly what Cosby is accused of, slipping someone something isn't just sexual assault, I'd also charge them with malicious poisoning.

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  58. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's stating a simple fact.

    Sentences involving the words "should" or "shouldn't" are generally opinions, not facts.

  59. Re:Rape in America versus India. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "From what I've heard women here may not be formally classified as outcasts, but often suffer from victim-blaming"

    I think you missed what the OP meant by "outcasts". Maybe I'm wrong, but I read that as a woman already being an 'outcast' (i.e. shudra) getting raped with much fear of reprisals for the attacker.

  60. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't secure your computer; teach people not to hack. Don't lock up your valuables; teach robbers not to steal. I think everyone would agree that this logic isn't applied for anything else. There's no reason to apply it to rape either.

    Some people simply don't care about the laws. We know that most rapists who don't know their victims profile their targets. They look at specific types of places for men or women dressed in a particular way (and that profiling almost always fits the "stereotype" of lots of college victims who dress and behave in irresponsible ways). A great many of these persons are serial rapists with dark triad personalities who's big difference from serial killers is that they don't feel the need to kill their victims. You aren't going to teach these people not to rape. The only sane option is to teach people that matching that profile drastically increases the chances of being assaulted.

    Finally, it's incredibly sexist of you (and the parent post) to only talk about women. According to the CDC, men run the same exact risk of being raped as women, but in 80% of those cases, their rapist was female. I've seen thousands of stories about male rapists being put in prison (like they should be). Have you ever seen a prosecution (let alone conviction) of a woman for raping a man? It's unheard of outside of statutory rape (which is called "an affair" or "seducing" when the perpetrator is female). We lock up male rapists. We let female rapists go unpunished. We leave them free to find their next victim knowing they won't be brought to justice for their actions. We won't even talk about them and pretend their victims don't exist. What's the real rape culture on campus?

  61. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But the fact that you wouldn't feel compelled to give your son the same advice (or at least not with the same urgency) is symptomatic of a deep sickness in our society."

    Rape is statistically one sided. That you seem to miss that 'fact' is symptomatic of a deep sickness in our society.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  62. Re:Rape in America versus India. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless she's already been executed by her family out of honor.
    Then you don't have to marry her at all.
    Sad.
    But how many Indian men have you heard of being so convicted of rape ?

  63. Define Non-Consensual by Ayanami_R · · Score: 2

    If it means, "was consensual at the time, and now later I feel bad about it," Then yes, I believe these numbers. If non-consensual is defined by a sane person, then I believe this is hogwash.

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  64. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe he doesn't have a son, so that's why that particular scenario did not occur to him?

  65. Who Protects the Data by dcw3 · · Score: 1

    Since this will contain information on people who have not been tried or convicted, or even indicted, I'm curious what protections will be taken to safeguard the data? And, what happens when some idiot decides they all deserve to be made public?

    Apologies if the article actually addressed this, I only read the summary.

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  66. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    You are right to give your daughter that good advice. However, it doesn't follow that we should put any of the blame on victims of rape who dress a certain way or who consume alcohol.

    While you can describe an extreme case of irresponsibility, the reality is that most cases don't resemble that. You should read some books by the Roosh V where he describes how he rapes women he meets in bars. Often they are with friends, often he has to pressure them to drink more, and often he takes advantage of their mildly inebriated state by pretending to be a nice guy who is looking out for them, walking them home... Until he starts raping them.

    To demonstrate this issue, consider the counterpoint. To be totally blameless and non-responsible in a case of rape, the women must wear a bhurka, and only go out when accompanied by a male relative. Clearly that's ridiculous, but it's the opposite end of the spectrum from your example. The middle is the interesting part, and your advice doesn't really apply there.

    It's like telling a pilot not to fly into the ground. Good advice, no doubt, but not very helpful in most common situations.

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  67. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by NotDrWho · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure he intends to teach his son that rape, murder, etc. are wrong. That's pretty much a given with any responsible parent, I dare say.*

    * My apologies to any responsible parents out there teaching their children that rape and murder are cool.

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  68. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, but it's even worse than that. Even if your daughter goes to a party, gets drunk, and ALLOWS a man to have sex with her even if he himself is drunk, she can later claim rape. Basically, the responsibility still lies on the man's shoulders.

  69. India: 120 guys for every 100 girls by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Of marriageable age. Due to gender selection technology and popularity of sons. This imbalance probably aggravates Indias rape problem.

  70. Re:Rape in America versus India. by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Ah, rereading I think you're right.

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  71. US has reverse problem? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Although the numerical balance of genders is even, there may be defacto shortage of marriageable men. Men generally wont marry above their education level. At even degree level, women now outnumber men, sometimes as much as 25%. I read speculation in the New Yorker(?) this encourages the hookup culture.

  72. Digital crutch for people who cant say what they m by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Goody, another App for an immature generation who cant cant make up their minds or assert what they mean. That didnt seem to be a problem for those growing up in the 20th century. Tech can solve any problem!

  73. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Immerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually there's some evidence contradicting that - though it's probably true of violent rape (as opposed to coerced or exploitative. Though actually coerced is probably lopsided as well since we don't have nearly as many women in positions of power). There's also some evidence suggesting that men under-report rape by much larger margins than women (also domestic abuse). Probably linked to the fact that our culture is steeped in homophobia (in the case of M-M rape) and machismo (in the case of F-M) "She got you drunk and raped you? Really? You expect me to believe you didn't want it?"

    But to the main point, yes, rape is (probably) statistically one-sided. Do you really not see a problem with that? Hell, I live in a state with one of the highest rape rates in the country, and my girlfriend avoids walking alone at night out of not-entirely-unreasonable fear. Meanwhile I have enjoyed wandering the streets and parks in the wee hours of the morning for most of my life.

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  74. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not the parents who do that. It's hop hop and gang culture.

  75. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "But to the main point, yes, rape is (probably) statistically one-sided. Do you really not see a problem with that? Hell, I live in a state with one of the highest rape rates in the country, and my girlfriend avoids walking alone at night out of not-entirely-unreasonable fear. Meanwhile I have enjoyed wandering the streets and parks in the wee hours of the morning for most of my life."

    And you basically affirmed my point that the advice given to woman SHOULD be different than to men.

    And I'm not sure what you mean by not seeing a problem that rape is statistically one-sided -- it is what the numbers say it is. The numbers may move a bit due to under reporting or cultural influences but certainly not enough to change the giant gap between the genders.

  76. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Immerman · · Score: 1

    One can certainly hope. But teaching them something is wrong is a very different thing than teaching them it's something to be feared.

    One has to ask why is it that our society creates a certain portion of men who feel entitled to assault women. Is it simply an unfortunate biological truth? Is it born of the same social misogyny that lets men make lewd comments to passing women without censure? Is it driven by the powerless and disenfranchised seeking to assert dominance over *someone*? Is it a symptom of a cultural neglect of the mentally ill? Perhaps it's a combination of many factors, in which case working to reduce those factors within our control will likely result in at least incremental improvements, and possibly disproportionate large ones*

    * if it takes three out of seven contributing factors to create a rapist, and you eliminate just one factor, then you can naively expect to eliminate 43% of rapists. 7 factors taken 3 at a time = 35 possible combinations, 20 of which will exclude any given factor (and thus be unaffected by its removal), and 15 of which will include it (15/35=43%). Of course that ignores those unfortunates subjected to 4 or more factors, but I'm only illustrating a point here.

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  77. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by NotDrWho · · Score: 0

    However, it doesn't follow that we should put any of the blame on victims of rape who dress a certain way or who consume alcohol.

    Yes, that absolutely CAN follow. If I walk around the worst neighborhood in town alone at 2 a.m.waving around a stack of $100 bills, and I get mugged as a result--the mugger is still absolutely guilty of the crime, but you can also ABSOLUTELY call me FUCKING STUPID for doing it and criticize me for setting myself up as such an obvious target. Calling me fucking stupid for acting so foolishly in the lead-up to the crime isn't "victim blaming." It's just a common sense observation that anyone who isn't high on the smell of their own farts could see is obvious.

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  78. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Immerman · · Score: 1

    >The numbers may move a bit due to under reporting or cultural influences but certainly not enough to change the giant gap between the genders.

    Oh? So you believe that the differences between male and female rape rates are due almost entirely to unfortunate but unavoidable biological factors? Care to list your peer-reviewed sources? Otherwise it's just personal opinion, and deeper investigation on the subject is called for.

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  79. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 0

    Better put on your asbestos underwear - you've said something that's reasonable, logical, and goes against the entire SJW agenda (and is totally non-pc to boot).

    By definition, people don't consent to being raped. However, people who rape aren't going to be stopped by "no means no." You could be dressed in a burlap potato sack and they're still going to try to take what they want, so it's not about how you dress. Taking precautions is reasonable behavior, same as looking both ways before crossing the street, or making sure cross traffic has stopped when your light turns green. Sure, you're in the right - you may even be "dead" right - which doesn't change the outcome.

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  80. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    You didn't read the whole comment, did you? My point, which you didn't address, is that while the extreme example is stupid it's not a very helpful one, because in real life most cases are not that extreme.

    Ironic that you complain about "SJWs" not listening in their signature.

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  81. Re:Rape in America versus India. by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

    Sorry for the confusion: spelling is not one of my strengths. I should have written outcaste, i.e., one not belonging to a caste, usually by birth, instead of outcast, one expelled from a society. "Dalit" would have served me better.

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  82. Re:Rape in America versus India. by Coren22 · · Score: 1, Troll

    In the US, a man can be convicted of rape by looking at a woman funny. All it takes is an accusation and the man goes to jail and is pretty much automatically guilty.

    Of course, legally, men can be raped too, but in reality, they are never reported. I am curious if this new system will be available to men, and what they will do when they find out that the numbers of men being raped is roughly equal to the number of women. It just doesn't fit with the narrative of the poor defenseless woman being abused by the strong violent men.

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  83. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you need to look into the research on what motivates rapists. Violent rape for example rarely has much if anything to do with lust.

    As for your "causal rapists" - why do you suppose they think they can get away with it? You don't suppose that just might be related to the way our society reacts to rape, could it? After all there is by necessity an essential witness to their crime (neglecting the minority of unconscious victims), why should they think they could get away with it?

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  84. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Can't let this comment go. Saying "Women shouldn't have to tame their behaviour because some guys can't handle it" is not indoctrinated propaganda. It's stating a simple fact.

    So let's reverse it - "Men shouldn't have to tame their behaviour because some women can't handle it." See how stupid that sounds?

    This whole line of discussion ignores the fact that, even when you take reasonable precautions, bad things happen

    Most sexual assaults don't happen on college campuses, many don't involve alcohol use by the victim, many victims don't even know the perp, and often the victims end up with such low self-esteem that they end up wondering if perhaps they were in part to blame. Avoidance isn't always (or even usually) possible.

    None of the victims I know were sexually assaulted on a college campus. They range from pre-teens to adults going about their regular business to one woman in her 70s in her home. None of these were reported except the last, and that was only after a lot of fear of the consequences to her marriage of reporting it (the guy ran away when her HUGE dog walked into the room and started growling at him). These are emotional, not logical, problems.Saying "you should just report it and not worry" may seem logical, but it's only easy to say if you haven't been there.

    This is one reason why such reporting mechanisms won't produce much in the way of results. It doesn't address this issue, which is that it's emotionally hard to bring yourself to report this to the authorities, with everything that comes with it.

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  85. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    If a man calls the police claiming that his wife assaulted him, the police will haul him off to jail. The same thing happens if the woman calls. This happened to my ex's new husband, but luckily, she tried to hit him right in front of the police, so they hauled her off, but when the man is automatically the guilty party, there is something seriously wrong in society.

    The same is true in rape, if both are drunk, it is always the man who is in the wrong, it couldn't possibly be that the innocent woman initiated it, or took advantage of the drunk guy, it is always the narrative of the drunk guy violently rapped the poor defenseless woman.

    My advice to my two boys will be, don't get drunk, drink one drink an hour and no more. Don't sleep with a woman unless she is flat sober. It isn't worth the risk.

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  86. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Hop hop? Is that the new sock hops? Perhaps you mean Hip hop?

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  87. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Did it ever get past your misogyny that men aren't always the rapists?

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  88. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact that men are rarely raped is "symptomatic of a deep sickness in our society"?

  89. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Oh? So you believe that the differences between male and female rape rates are due almost entirely to unfortunate but unavoidable biological factors?"

    Where did I say that? Try reading it again. What I said are the numbers are the numbers -- I made no comment as to WHY they are that way. You agreed that the rates are lopsided even assuming under reporting. I said my position stands -- and that I would offer different advice to my daughter vs. my son. You list your behavior and your girlfriends behavior are entirely different in the same environment. You state she "avoids walking alone at night out of not-entirely-unreasonable fear" while you "enjoy(ed) wandering the streets and parks in the wee hours of the morning for most of (your) life".

    Why? Because the numbers are, in fact, the numbers. It is reasonable and rational to take precautions based on that information and to pass on advice to our children as well.

  90. Re:Vague definitions, intentional misinterpretatio by Raseri · · Score: 1

    nonconsensual sex or touching

    Reminded me of that Mitch Hedberg bit about filling out a form with only Yes or No checkboxes, and one of the questions was "Have you ever tried sugar or PCP?"

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  91. I was raped... or maybe had my ass grabbed by superdave80 · · Score: 1
    FTFS:

    about one-quarter of female undergraduates said they had experienced nonconsensual sex or touching since entering college,

    So, they lumped in rape victims with women that had their ass grabbed by a drunk frat guy. How am I suppose to take this "one-quarter" stat seriously?

    1. Re:I was raped... or maybe had my ass grabbed by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

      That's a great argument in favor of this app. Not likely that anyone will go through normal channels to report a quick ass grab. But if Drunken Frat Guy is grabbing an ass or two every weekend, that's a problem, and this app makes it trivially easy for his victims to document his behavior. I don't see that as a bad thing.

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    2. Re:I was raped... or maybe had my ass grabbed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just like when those securities traders lumped in BBB grade loans/investments in with AAA.

    3. Re:I was raped... or maybe had my ass grabbed by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      No, they did not lump in ass-grabbing. They lumped in ass-grabbing while being restrained. Obviously, if I hold a woman so she can't get away while I grope her, I've done something wrong. It's not likely to be reported to the police, at least not unless the evidence is very compelling, but a survey specifically asking about it will pick it up. Note that a report on violent crime in general lumps in armed robbery victims and maybe people forced into a fist fight with rapes and murders, and I haven't heard anyone complain about that.

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    4. Re:I was raped... or maybe had my ass grabbed by superdave80 · · Score: 1

      They lumped in ass-grabbing while being restrained.

      Where was the 'restrained' part mentioned? The summary only says 'touching'.

      Note that a report on violent crime in general lumps in armed robbery victims and maybe people forced into a fist fight with rapes and murders, and I haven't heard anyone complain about that.

      Probably nobody has complained because all of those crimes are... wait for it... violent!

    5. Re:I was raped... or maybe had my ass grabbed by superdave80 · · Score: 1

      And after this behavior is documented, what happens then?

    6. Re:I was raped... or maybe had my ass grabbed by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The survey about rape or sexual touching involving violence or incapacitation. I don't really care what TFS says; it was normally written by Slashdot "editors".

      It's worth reporting about violent crimes. It's also worth reporting sex-relating crimes using violence, particularly since they tend not to be reported.

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  92. Re:Vague definitions, intentional misinterpretatio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The way to tell if the question was intentionally leading: Would have it been trivial to ask about each of these things separately?

    The answer is yes...if you have to read a bullet pointed list of candidates, it would have been trivial for the study authors to have participants "check box" any that apply. It sounds like they didn't do that, so I would gather that the intention was to make a single, overly-broad category.

  93. Re: Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report by zugmeister · · Score: 3, Informative

    So feminists, if you're really for equality

    Don't look at what they say, look at what they do.

  94. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    Most of the rape victims I know, there was no alcohol involved.

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  95. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

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    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

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    You tried using Computer Associates antivirus that I overturned on false positives (1/8 over time) were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap too) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't in part #3/5... apk

  96. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    And we have yet to hear about women who rape their female partners - such as "revenge fist f*cking."

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  97. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

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    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

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    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

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    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

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    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

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    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

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    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It works there!

    Telemetry tracking's killing 10 by itself: Win10 = Win8 = flops - who're you fooling other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #4/5... apk

  98. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How can my program do it?

    Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    ---

    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

  99. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Hypocrite You're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

    "the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

    "maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    Childish sigs = all you've got!

    "I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    &

    "You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    &

    "I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

    "written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

    You're 30++ & haven't done either!

    Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    You PROVED I am... apk

  100. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Obviously - as I argued that position in a post you replied to just minutes before this one.

    Nevertheless, men seem to account for most of the perpetrators (and if that's not actually the case then we also need to tackle the causes of under-reporting as well, which are almost certainly largely unconnected to the causes of rape)

    Moreover that changes very little about my argument - we need to study and address the underlying causes of rape. I offered up some speculative possibilities, only one of which mentions gender, and thought I established that I suspect there are actually many contributing factors. To go further I suspect that *some* of those factors are in fact gender specific, and thus will have to be addressed in a gender-specific manner.

    --
    --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
  101. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + how to migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Mine doesn't to get new data to update hosts vs. threats. Only hosts itself updates need it vs. WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

    ---

    "90's tech to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

  102. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates antivirus that I overturned on false positives (1/8 over time) were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap too) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't in part #3/5... apk

  103. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It works there!

    Telemetry tracking's killing 10 by itself: Win10 = Win8 = flops - who're you fooling other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #4/5... apk

  104. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How can my program do it?

    Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    ---

    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

  105. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Hypocrite You're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

    "the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

    "maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    Childish sigs = all you've got!

    "I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    &

    "You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    &

    "I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

    "written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

    You're 30++ & haven't done either!

    Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    You PROVED I am... apk

  106. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + how to migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Mine doesn't to get new data to update hosts vs. threats. Only hosts itself updates need it vs. WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

    ---

    "90's tech to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

  107. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates antivirus that I overturned on false positives (1/8 over time) were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap too) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't in part #3/5... apk

  108. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It works there!

    Telemetry tracking's killing 10 by itself: Win10 = Win8 = flops - who're you fooling other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #4/5... apk

  109. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How can my program do it?

    Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    ---

    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt! You did it to yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

  110. Nonconsensual Touching by NoSalt · · Score: 0

    Nonconsensual touching is NOT sexual assault, and people who claim it is are abusing a system put in place to protect people from actual sexual assault.

  111. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Hypocrite You're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

    "the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

    "maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    Childish sigs = all you've got!

    "I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    &

    "You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    &

    "I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

    "written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

    You're 30++ & haven't done either!

    Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    You PROVED I am... apk

  112. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    My apologies. I saw a post that seemed to be screaming the same sexism as the article and didn't realize you had elsewhere indicated otherwise.
    I jumped the gun.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  113. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Immerman · · Score: 2

    Perhaps we are talking past each other. Yes, the numbers are what they are - but they suggest a social endemic that should be addressed, because it's not right that half of our species should have to live in fear and curtail their activities.

    The numbers after all aren't magically inviolate, they reflect a social reality - and the shape of society is something we all have a say in, and a responsibility to guide in "good" directions.

    --
    --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
  114. Nonconsensual touching? by LoverOfJoy · · Score: 1

    What counts as nonconsensual touching? If someone comes up and puts their arm around your shoulder and then removes it when you either move or ask them to remove is that considered nonconsensual touch? If so, I would imagine it's more like 80-90% of both males and females have experienced nonconsensual touch at college.

    Is this limited to just sexual touch? Breasts, crotch, butt? What about a flirtatious pat on the leg? What about a nonflirtatious pat on the back?

  115. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Accepted.

    May I ask what exactly screamed sexism to you?

    I ask because this is a topic that I feel is worthy of being addressed, and has certain unavoidably sexist overtones thanks to the extremely lopsided distribution of reported offenses (similar to police oppression - not all victims are minorities, but it's difficult to discuss the problem without including race). I've often found myself arguing the other side of the coin specifically because some extremists do advocate policies that would oppress all men in order to (maybe) curtail a few bad apples, and such a cure risks being worse than the disease.

    The more we can find language to clearly express the problem, the better chance we have of finding solutions that make life better for everyone. Maybe even the would-have-been rapists.

    --
    --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
  116. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I shouldn't have to lock my door because people shouldn't steal.

    I shouldn't have to have a gun because people shouldn't kill.

    I shouldn't need an army because countries shouldn't go to war.

    People do shitty things sometimes, and it's your responsibility as a human to:
          A) Hopefully not do those same shitty things
          B) Take acceptable preventative measures to lower the risk of shitty things happening to you.

    Sometimes you can't avoid the shit, but that doesn't mean you have to deliberately step in it.

  117. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Bunny culture.

  118. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #1/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007 http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there on OpenDNS free (I use it) + AD in my security guide.

    + how to migrate hosts across a LAN (admin/scripts not GPO)-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    ---

    I'm RIGHT on admin priv + hosts (WFP/SFP)!

    "figured out why privilege escalation's a bad thing?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015

    How else can I programmatically update hosts itself?

    ---

    "it requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015

    Hypocrite later admits it!

    Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware DEMANDS it or it can't do a job fully like many security tools!

    ---

    "Needing admin privileges every time a program updates is poor design" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Mine doesn't to get new data to update hosts vs. threats. Only hosts itself updates need it vs. WFP/SFP. Users set it too. It's not programmatic impersonation.

    ---

    "90's tech to fight modern war" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    Ozymandias/Watchmen per a namesake:

    "I resolved to apply antiquities teachings" (hosts) "to our world today & began my path to conquest - Conquest not of men but of the evils that beset them: Fossil Fuels (antispyware), Oil (antivir), Nuclear Power (addons) are like a drug & you gentlemen along w/ foreign interests are the pushers"

    It works Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Oliver Day (Symantec) too-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts' Admin hosts+recommends APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-2 32/64-bit-> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #2/5... apk

  119. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #2/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I guess we should avoid your crap, it looks like it is marked as malware. Good luck getting that removed." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)

    62 sources of good repute show + /. users say otherwise:

    Proven safe by 57 antivirus programs in its 64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    +

    Same for the 32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...

    &

    Per VirScan its installer too -> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...

    ---

    MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & MalwareBytes = BEST antivirus per this VERY recent testing of them all http://www.av-test.org/en/news... /.'ers say my work is good too:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    ---

    You tried using Computer Associates antivirus that I overturned on false positives (1/8 over time) were caught in ACCOUNTING SCANDALS FRAUD http://www.bing.com/search?q=c...

    Reputable source (not): They had to sell off their PC security suite too (crap too) LOWERING the 'threat level' on THAT program (not my hosts file engine) TO ZERO!

    * YOU ARE WRONG ON EVERY ACCOUNT NOTED!

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't in part #3/5... apk

  120. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #3/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Virus scanners/Adblock software don't need admin priv to update" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Neither does my program. AV does to remove threats - Adblock addons = Vastly INFERIOR in abilities + efficiency vs. hosts as I proved & no one proved me wrong to date!

    ---

    "your software does" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    No, hosts do due to WFP/SFP - Intake update of new hosts data doesn't!

    ---

    "won't reveal your source code" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't owe you it. I don't give away work to be stolen by others so it's misused like GOOGLE CHROME http://it.slashdot.org/story/1...

    ---

    "What's stopping you from pointing my bank's web site at your private server?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I don't keep a server. Security guru (not - you create no ware for security & your forensics skills = non-existent): Put it in a VM, trace it using process monitor + wireshark to prove it (don't need code)!

    ---

    "the possibility of being caught, which would be pretty hard to catch w/ such a large hosts file, as no one can go through it manually." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    I place hardcoded fav sites @ top of hosts for speed & reliabilty - you'd spot it easily & bulk of hosts is sorted blocked known bad threats.

    ---

    "What are you going to do when Windows gets rid of the hosts file completely?" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    Hasn't happened!

    ---

    "They have already taken steps to make it useless in Windows 10." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015 @04:14PM (#50904323)

    It works there!

    Telemetry tracking's killing 10 by itself: Win10 = Win8 = flops - who're you fooling other than yourself?

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #4/5... apk

  121. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #4/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coren22 'eats his words' vs. me 2x yet again:

    "introduces risk you are relying on a 3rd party to update a hosts file potentially opening you up to MITM attacks" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    How can my program do it?

    Only things it puts in as non-blocking IP addy to hostnames is ones users give it as their favs to speed up @ the TOP of hosts REVERSE DNS VERIFIED!

    (For more speed, & reliability + security - in RAM as 1st resolver queried = faster & more secure vs. remote DNS w/ all its security issues in Kaminsky flaw, DNSChanger malware IP stack settings, routers bushwhacked in DNS settings, rogue DNS, Open DNS servers abused by malware. It aids in reliability vs. redirects).

    YOU'D SPOT IT INSTANTLY AS THEY ARE @ TOP OF CUSTOM HOSTS & can easily edit anything you want out of it!

    (Rest = known bad sites from 10 reputable security community sites for blocking - the MAJORITY of what's in my hosts files!)

    ---

    "maybe one day you can get a score 5 comment" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    See subject & ~ 12 +5 upmods making you "eat your words" vs. me (1st one: You tried using what I post there against me to FAIL):

    +5 'modded up' posts by "yours truly" (11):

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://science.slashdot.org/co...
    http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://news.slashdot.org/comme...
    http://hardware.slashdot.org/c...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
    http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...

    "You believe you are getting the better of me" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 17, 2015

    YOU GOT THE BEST OF YOURSELF in tech fails & lies about me. Your immature signatures about me SCREAM you're butthurt - You did it to yourself.

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in #5/5... apk

  122. Coren22's "greatest hits" fails #5/5... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "defame me saying things he knows aren't true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Hypocrite You're projecting & your signatures do the rest.

    "the feeling of icky his software - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    I show /.'ers say differently by quoted testimonials - Show us you've done better: YOU can't!

    "maybe someone will think they are true - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    Quotes of you = true - & You can't keep your word + projecting what YOU do (AD/DNS lie).

    "I don't have time for the Troll APK, and refuse to respond anymore to a post signed APK" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    I protect users speeding them up, helping reliability, & security + anonymity online w/ more ability & efficiency than ANY 1 solution doing more w/ less - do you? No.

    "I should change my signature again to rile him up more." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 03, 2015

    Childish sigs = all you've got!

    "I refuted his assertions - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 04, 2015

    &

    "You claim I have never proved you wrong...a flat out lie." - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    &

    "I proved you wrong on numerous occasions" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2015

    Where & on what tech? "Cat got your tongue"??

    "written in shitty Delphi, "How to secure Windows" docs I could have written in my sleep when I was 20" - by Coren22 on Monday November 16, 2016

    You're 30++ & haven't done either!

    Show you've done MORE vs.a small partial list of mine & better, + earlier:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    THEN talk vs. TALKING OUT YOUR ASS!

    CIS Tool took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... which you doubted & my layered security guides got me paid http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn... MILLIONS use.

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "I never admit you were right" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday November 10, 2015

    You PROVED I am... apk

  123. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Coren22 · · Score: 2

    One has to ask why is it that our society creates a certain portion of men who feel entitled to assault women.

    That was the start. It is the same thing that creates a portion of women who feel they can do it, or men who think they can assault other men, or women who assault other women. By restricting it to one sex attacking the other, it frames the argument that it can't go other ways.
    Studies done with controlling for under reporting often show that men are raped at about the same rate as women, within a couple percent. So whenever I see people framing it as men raping women, it bothers me; if the problem is prevalent on both sides, why not address the issue at its root instead of as a male vs female issue.

    --
    APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  124. I need a new keyboard by cstacy · · Score: 1

    Second time in a week I accidentally rated a comment, damnit. Undoing all moderations unfortunately.

  125. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Horseshit. In the modern west, NOBODY rapes because no one ever taught them that rape is wrong or because society in any way condones it. The only place where that happens is in backwards third-world shitholes (where hick-ass sandbillies think that Allah is okay with raping as long as it's a jew or apostate) and in the fantasy worlds of fucktarded SJW's (who think that every white heterosexual male is a rapist looking to use his evil white penis to oppress helpless women and minorities).

  126. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    There are two separate things here.

    First, girls and women should be careful to avoid crimes against them. This includes getting too drunk or stoned at parties and locking their car doors, among other good advice.

    Second, if a man rapes a woman, it's the man's fault and crime. A woman is not required to take actions to deter crime, so she has no legal liability if she leaves her car doors unlocked and her car is stolen (although the insurance company may not feel responsible).

    I'm getting the impression this isn't getting through.

    --
    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  127. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by gyroheli · · Score: 1

    It's not fact, it's an opinion that makes it out that the problem is that "some guys can't handle it". Thank you for confirming the statement you were trying to invalidate by stating that is fact.

  128. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    From what I've read, rape tends to be to establish power over someone, rather than getting laid, while a robber is more likely to be in it for the money.

    A rape kit (to collect forensic evidence) involves serious intrusion, and some women have said it was as bad as the rape. From what I've read, the kit is to establish who the rapist was, once caught, and so it's of limited use when A rapes B and it's generally known that A had sex with B, and the question is consent.

    --
    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  129. Nope. You're misreading the article. by denzacar · · Score: 1

    TFA:

    According to a recent study of 27 schools, about one-quarter of female undergraduates and students who identified as queer or transgender said they had experienced nonconsensual sex or touching since entering college, but most of the students said they did not report it to school officials or support services.

    TFS:

    According to a recent study of 27 schools, about one-quarter of female undergraduates said they had experienced nonconsensual sex or touching since entering college, but most of the students said they did not report it to school officials or support services.

    Don't know where you got that highly specific flavor of transsexual, but it is not in the article, summary OR the study.
    Study specifically bundles all transsexuals into a single category in order to have anything that looks like a percentage.

    Using responses to this question, students were classified into one of four groups: (1) female, (2) male, (3) transgender, genderqueer or nonconforming, questioning or not listed (TGQN), and (4) decline to state.
    Groups were collapsed into TGQN to maintain adequate sample size for generating estimates.

    And when those, "when we sum up everything and anything and just call all of it rape" percentages, get converted to real cases they come out to about 20705.93 female, 3484.93 male and 388.64 TGQN cases of unwanted sexual... something.
    So... Even with their VERY weird and inflated numbers - trans-numbers are SO LOW that the other category's errors are eating them up.
    It is really NOT about "transexual / queer gendered females". Sorry.

    But since "transsexual" is a better click-bait than nine times that many males reporting the exact same thing...
    Fuck the males. Must be some kinda pansy faggots if they're being afraid of sex or if they are getting raped. Fuckin commie pinko pansies.
    Fuck em. They don't deserve to be in the article. What do you mean "lower report rate"?
    There should be NO report rate at all if they want to call themselves men.
    Do you think John Wayne would report "unwanted sexual activity"? FUCK NO!
    He was so manly his girly name became a boy name all on it's own! Scratch that! Not a boy name! A MAN NAME!
    JOOOOOHHHHHHNNNNNN!!!

    Wait... what was I talking about... ah yes... shitty study and survey.
    BTW...
    Asking someone repeatedly (though they've said no) to go out, have dinner or drinks - is the same as asking them repeatedly for sex.

    D5. Since you have been a student at [University], has a student, or someone employed by or otherwise associated with [University]continued to ask you to go out, get dinner, have drinks or have sex even though you said, "No"?
    Yes
    Never experienced

    Which is all the same as telling crude jokes.
    And here I thought my ex-boss was only fucking with our minds and our wallets.

    --
    Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens
  130. Re:Vague definitions, intentional misinterpretatio by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Pushing past a woman in the hallway is not violence as stated. To count, the woman would have to be physically restrained or incapacitated. It's possible that there's false or biased reporting here, but that happens, and should be studied independently.

    If I grab a woman and hold her while I feel her ass or boobs, that qualifies. That's going to be a traumatic experience, although it isn't rape. If I make a quick grab at an ass or a boob, that doesn't. Legally, whether there's a difference probably varies by jurisdiction, but one is relevant to the survey and one isn't.

    --
    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  131. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by TWX · · Score: 1

    Please give a citation for your first statement. I have heard that it's about power for ever and ever, but no one ever substantiates that claim. That why I question that. Why would it be about power? Power to do what? That's why I said that fundamentally they have a lot in common. Both want something. Both don't care that they're victimizing in order to get it.

    As for your other statement, I have no doubt that a rape kit is traumatic. On the other hand, bruises and other tissue damage heals, drugs that might have been introduced into the victim against their knowledge will metabolize-out; evidence will be lost. Which is more traumatic, being seen-to by a doctor, or potentially seeing one's rapist for the next so-many-years with no recourse?

    As for this escrow system, reporting to it without reporting to the police does not stop the perpetrator. It does not well-document the perpetrator's actions in a way that can be factually cited. It is no better than the past victims giving personal testimony, and arguably could be worse because it allows the defense to call into question the motives of those who come forward because they did not come forward to the police earlier, and could possibly be excluded as evidence or even could help the defense prevent previous-victim-witnesses from being allowed to testify.

    The only way to fight back may be a poor way to do so, but there is no better way at the moment, as anything else becomes word against word or word against the right to say nothing at all.

    --
    Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  132. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Magnus+Pym · · Score: 1

    The main problem with the whole campus rape situation is that there is a perverse set of incentives at work that `reward' women who claim to be rape victims.

    Not sure how many have been on a college campus recently. The amount of feminist propaganda and anti-male posturing is bordering on the comical. There are so many SJWs and other activists who are waiting for any male/female incident to happen, to blow up out of proportion, get on the news and ultimately enhance their own careers. A `victim' who comes out is immediately elevated to the status of feminist heroine. Her opinion is sought. There is often press coverage. There is talk of lawsuits and large financial compensation. A regular woman whom no-one would have looked at twice is suddenly enjoying the sort of fame and prestige usually enjoyed by cheerleaders. Even if her accusations ultimately prove false, she suffers no consequences whatsoever, and in fact her prestige among the feminist crowd actually increases. Look at that woman who is dragging a mattress all around campus, drawing attention to her `raped' status.

  133. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://www.google.com/search?q=lesbian+rape&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    Now you have heard of it.

  134. The bitchslapping of Dave420... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Everyone who does use HOSTS files (myself included) doesn't use your software" - by dave420 (699308) on Thursday November 05, 2015 @07:30AM (#50869743)

    Some /.'ers made you "eat your words": They use my hosts file engine saying it's good vs. your bullshit:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    (LMAO... you FAIL as usual, again, vs. me!)

    * What's that you said I have quoted from you above Dave420?

    APK

    P.S.=> Thanks for making me look good: You always say something I can put away with undeniable facts that prove you wrong... lol!

    ... apk

  135. Re:Rape in America versus India. by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "about one-quarter of female undergraduates said they had experienced nonconsensual sex or touching since entering college" I get non-consensually touched every day. I have one of those things where I don't like being touched. A pat on the back, a grab on the arm, getting bumped into on the bus, I hate it all. Officially that qualifies as "non-consensual sex or touching" even though 0% of it involves sex.
    I'm always weary of any research which uses such vague classifications.

  136. Re:Rape in America versus India. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have had women take advantage of me while I was intoxicated. I've even woken up to being given oral sex by women I did not want to have sex with. Not being in full control of my faculties and unsure of what to do, I finished. I don't think that I'd ever report it. The encounters didn't result in an STD or anything. I didn't want the sexual encounter. So, I guess that means I was raped. It's was not that traumatizing, just annoying and confusing.

  137. Re: Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    You know that "kill all men" was actually invented by the MRAs, right? No, really. A feminist was talking on Twitter about how games where you have to kill only men are somehow okay but when women are introduced that somehow makes them worse, hashtag #killallmen. Some MRAs picked up on it and astroturfed it into a think, and the feminists started using the hashtag ironically to mock them.

    I won't even bother with the rest of your clap trap.

    --
    const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  138. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Kaitiff · · Score: 1

    We have lost ourselves in an attempt to be politically correct in this society. Here's what I mean..

    A young man sees a a young girl and finds her attractive and approaches her. Not physically restraining her, or drugging her or any other form of persuation other than expressing interest. and by the current ideology of militant feminists he has committed rape. No, I'm not kidding.. as defined by rabid feminists simply by trying to communicate that he is attracted to a female in a perfectly normal way he has made 'unwanted advances' and made her uncomfortable by 'forcing her' to say no, or to say she's not interested.

    There is a current trend in some colleges to create 'safe zones' for women.. in essence, a place where no males are allowed to enter. According to some, merely having a biological male in their presence makes them feel as if they are in danger of being raped. The inherent sexism in this is lost on them.. only women need to be protected and shielded and only their rights should be respected. I read yesterday where they are trying to expand that so that it specifically lists 'white people' as well.. because minorities can't feel equal or unpersecuted unless there aren't any white people around. To entertain EITHER of these odious ideas is not only unconstitutional it's madness. Rape should have very clear definitions... talking to someone is NOT rape. LOOKING at someone is not rape. Having consensual sex with someone that is inebriated is NOT rape. It may be poor judgement on both parties involved, but it's NOT rape.

    --
    If I sound stupid, it's not me talking....
  139. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

    Real feminists aren't anti-male. They have fathers as well as mothers, sons as well as daughters, brothers as well as sisters, uncles as well as aunts, and are as willing to stand up for equal rights for both men and women. Of course, that doesn't fit in with the new "textus receptus" of the SJWs and extreme feminists, whose radical exclusionary policies do not let men participate because they are "the enemy", and women who want dialog instead of complaining are traitors or have been co-opted or brainwashed.

    You can't argue with a cult. And real feminists want everywhere to be considered a "safe space" for both sexes.

    --
    "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  140. Re: Will Any Effort Be Made To Validate The Report by zugmeister · · Score: 1

    Regardless of how it started, it's been adopted by an awful lot of feminists and is still being used by them NOW. Google #killallmen. Look at who is using it and how old the hits are, I double dog dare you!
    As for the facts and verifiable statements / actions of feminists you blithely dismiss, I salute you. Not just everyone can take that many solid examples of something and pretend that calling them "clap trap" means they have been refuted.

  141. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    "From what I've read" does not require a citation. I haven't dug into it myself, and can't say it on my own knowledge.

    I don't know what's more traumatic, and I suspect it would vary from woman to woman.

    The escrow situation is to encourage reporting. It isn't a "me-too" situation. If Alice gets raped in January, Betty in February, and Carla in March, then Alice might have used the app in January, Betty in February, and Carla might hit the escrow threshold. If Alice and Betty and Carla would have brought the police in, then the app is not really helping. If there's a record of Alice alleging rape in January, and an apparently independent report from Betty in February, then I don't know what the legalities are, but it's got to be better than coming forth just for the trial.

    Also, it's entirely possible that there's no proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Alice was raped, or that Betty was raped, or that Carla was raped, and a rape prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the man raped a specific woman at a specific time. Rape trials are a difficult way to punish or deter rape, and charging in and considering the man guilty on accusation is certainly no better.

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    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  142. You DO realise it wasn't, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was not started by the MRAs.

    Feminists have written BOOKS about the genocide of men when artificial fertilisation no longer requires males to exist.

    Feminists have tweeted it.

    They've done youtube videos.

    Long articles in magazines.

    Unless these famous and prominent feminists are really MRAs in disguise...?

  143. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So in your world when two drunk college kids have sex...the woman wakes up with a hangover and is a victim...and male wakes up with a hangover and is ruined for life. Yeah its getting through...too bad it is that your are fucking nuts.

  144. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    No, giving the advice to avoid wolf-filled woods is always a good idea. But the fact that you wouldn't feel compelled to give your son the same advice (or at least not with the same urgency) is symptomatic of a deep sickness in our society.

    Actually, the advice is different, but essentially the same. My mother sat with me one day and said "Look at that girl across from you on your date. If you like the idea of looking at her for the rest of your life, or going to jail, or paying child support, have fun. Otherwise keep it in your pants."

    As opposed to a sign of societal sickness, the differing advice is based on the consequences. Women do bear most of the consequenses of sexual activity.

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    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  145. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by TWX · · Score: 1

    "From what I've read" does not require a citation. I haven't dug into it myself, and can't say it on my own knowledge.

    Then you're passing-on unverified information as if it's factual. If it's patently incorrect then it actually furthers harm, especially if people attempt build defenses based on this fallacy.

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    Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
  146. More slashdot lowest common denominator by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    fake news proving that Dice has turned slashdot into shit.

  147. Wonderful, should help being overrun by muslims by syleishere · · Score: 1

    Let's put fear into all Canadians and Americans to never have sex with a woman ever again, feminists and muslims win, now they can all have muslim babies, give more vindictive women power to put innocent people away, wohooo, oww right this is already happening, becoming a minority in your own country cause of more abuse of legal system! If they want equal power give men ability to put these women in jail to.

  148. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

    I just can't believe that when a drunk man and a drunk woman decide to have sex that somehow the man becomes predator and the woman is a victim.

    Is a woman somehow inferior to a man when it comes to making drunk decisions to the point that she is absolved of all responsibility for her decisions while drunk?
    Is a man somehow superior to a woman when it comes to making drunk decisions to the point that he is always held accountable for his decisions while drunk?
    When a woman goes to a bar, blacks out, and wakes up naked beside an ugly man does she get to scream rape when she regrets it?
    When I go to a bar, black out, and wake up naked beside an ugly woman do I get to scream rape when I regret it?

    The answer to all these questions is NO! Neither sex should have any special privileges when it comes to personal responsibility. When you give women the ability to scream rape to absolve themselves of their own stupid decisions then you encourage them to do so.
    Have you ever looked looked at a situation like this and thought "how would I feel about this situation if the roles were reversed"? You should for every situation, otherwise you are going to fall for emotional beliefs which have no basis in reality.

  149. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

    You're right, it is a symptom of a deep sickness in our society. Especially since the numbers on rape and sexual assault are symmetrical between men and women. He should certainly be giving his son, if he has one, the same talk. The sickness in our society is that we label men as evil-doers and women as precious, blameless, and innocent. Neither men nor women are inherently evil or innocent, yet when things like this are discussed it is done with the assumption that men are evil ravenous beasts that would rape every woman they meet if only we didn't remind them on a regular basis that it is wrong.

    The sickness in this society is that we are all biased and cannot see that we are. We are so concerned about the fact that women get raped that when you as much as mention that men get raped too you are treated as if you said that women don't matter and you hate all women. This is the true sickness in our society.

  150. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #1/6 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us (not illogic logic but where I literally said it). I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there in my security guide.

    Fact: You shoot your mouth off lying about it & me, hmmm?

    (It's your mentally damaged goods assburgers brain acting up trying to put words in my mouth I never said? Yes...)

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    Where did I say I don't use DNS too?

    Clue: I do & detailed it for you AGAIN (via my std. post on DNS vs. hosts) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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    "You must really suck at programming" - by Coren22 on Monday November 23, 2015

    What've you programmed? Other /.'ers disagree:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    "No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in 2/6... apk

  151. Coren22 = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" #1/5 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015

    Where'd I say it? Show us (not illogic logic but where I literally said it). I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...

    See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there in my security guide.

    Fact: You shoot your mouth off lying about it & me, hmmm?

    (It's your mentally damaged goods assburgers brain acting up trying to put words in my mouth I never said? Yes...)

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    Where did I say I don't use DNS too?

    Clue: I do & detailed it for you AGAIN (via my std. post on DNS vs. hosts) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

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    "You must really suck at programming" - by Coren22 on Monday November 23, 2015

    What've you programmed? Other /.'ers disagree:

    "his hosts program is actually pretty good" - by xenotransplant (4179011) on Monday August 10, 2015 @03:34PM (#50287195)

    "I like your host file system." - by Karmashock (2415832) on Wednesday September 09, 2015 @03:57PM (#50489401)

    "APK is kinda right... I've given up on JS based adblocking and gone to blackholing in /etc/hosts, just like it was back in the 90s. The computational load has gotten intolerable for any ad-blocking using JS. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works." - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015 @11:30AM (#50736071)

    "his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources" by alexgieg (948359) on Friday September 25, 2015 @09:57AM (#50596461)

    "No complaints from me, I like APK's spam. Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free." - by aaaaaaargh! (1150173) on Tuesday November 17, 2015 @09:31AM (#50947415)

    APK

    P.S.=> Con't. in 2/5... apk

  152. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    How does a woman rape a man? Is she spiking the alcohol with viagra? Alcohol, in quantities that removes one's self control also removes one's erection.

  153. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    He didn't say that it did excuse anyone who 'just go[es] raping people'. I really doubt that anyone is ever going to seriously come on and argue that rape is ok. If they do then it's probably either a very imature troll or someone with serious mental issues that probably should be locked away for the safety of society.

    Fault is not a zero-sum game. There have been many many cases reported publicly of girls chosing to attend frat parties where the frats were already well known for getting girls drunk and doing things to them. Then they chose to consume large amounts of alcohol and even go upstairs. That certainly puts them at fault for their own situation while in no way lessening the fault of the rapist.

    The fact that a victim may be at fault for putting themselves in a bad situation does NOT excuse the perpetrator. They still absolutely belong in jail. Also, it is not nice to point out the victim's fault when the victim is already emotionally suffering from what has been done to them.

    However... life is not nice. I think that by pretending that a person is not responsible for the situations that they knowingly walk into is very dangerous. It is a disservice to the next girl who might have learned better. If girls think it is ok to walk into such situations then there will always be predators inviting them in.

    I will certainly be teaching my daughter that walking into such a situation is both dangerous and stupid. I won't just point to such stories and say see.. there are bad people that would want to rape you (although I will say that). I will also point to the girl and say see.. if you do these things you put yourself in danger, don't be like her. I love her enough not to pretend that the world is nice and just hand her over to the wolves only to complain about them after they have eaten her.

  154. Re: Co-Eds Needs To Stop Showing by Immerman · · Score: 1

    Alcohol is relatively crude as a "date-rape" drug - often it's spiked with something much more effective if the perpetrator is an premeditated scum-bag rather than an opportunistic one. (also, I can attest that your claim is definitely not true for all men - my equipment works fine even when puking drunk, if a bit sluggishly.) For other forms of rape... well, human biology will very often do its thing even over strenuous objections from the mind. I've heard that can often be one of the most confusing and traumatic aspects for rape victims, especially since biology tends to drag at least some facets of the mind along with it.

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    --- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.