I'm not disagreeing with the basic premise that diesels are known for being low-end torquey. My problem lies in the fact that non-diesel cars are not automatically NOT torquey. As I've stated, my car has 280 freakin' ft./lb of torque out of 2.4L 4-cyclinders! That's more than some small V8 diesels! So yes, diesels are limited to low rpm torque bands, and gas powered engines aren't...gas motors can be made in both low rpm torquey motors and high-reving, high horsepower variants as well.
And I mean that my gas-powered turbo Mazda creates way more torque than any of the turbo-diesels mentioned thus far at low RPMs. It isn't the fact that cars use diesel that makes them run well at low RPM. My low-rpm/high torque, non-diesel (but turbo charged) car proves that.
Gas powered engines can also be engineered to have flat torque bands and max power at lower rpms. My Mazda cranks out 280 ft./lb at 5000 or so RPM. The line you recite is a common rationalization for diesel engines, when high torque and narrow powerbands aren't the sole territory of diesels. The thing about the Le Mans Audis is how awesome those cars are IN SPITE of the fact they run on diesel. It's another aspect of the marketing required to convince people diesels are a good thing (not saying they aren't, it's just a concerted effort on the diesel industry's part to portray their self-interests in positive lights).
Does a 2007 Ford Transit, UK spec count? How about an Audi A2? Period. Fullstop. Rationalize all you like, but they still stink and are still loud, even if they may be cleaner in the science lab.
I'm sorry--I didn't mean the same VW engine gets 263. I was talking about my 2.4L 4-cylinder turbo charged Mazda engine. It also makes a whopping 280 ft/lb of torque, so there is no chance anyone in this thread is going to convince me that a VW turbo-diesel can come remotely close to the power output of my gas car. Gas mileage is another issue, however. But, my interest in my car is in horsepower/torque, while others may value m.p.g.
I grew up in Oregon, and your gas prices are directly related to the retarded need to pay somebody to pump gas and doesn't correlate with real gas price issues. Oil is down $5 a barrel just today. It's down over $60 barrel just in the past few weeks. You live in Oregon, so you have to pay some pot-head minimum wage to pump your gas for you...that's why your gas is going up while the rest of the country is going back to towards the $2-$3 a gallon range.
Ok, more proof that diesel fans are incredibly biased and only hear what they want to hear. My Mazdaspeed3 small 4-cylinder engine is gas powered and turbo-charged. It gets more TORQUE than the equivalent diesel as well-280 to be exact. Granted, I don't know what the VW turbo4s get for torque, but the fact remains, whatever that number is, a gas powered engine will get more. The "torque" mystique of diesel engines is a marketing ploy, as any torque engineered into a diesel can also be engineered into the equivalent gas model.
Alas, but this isn't about my non-diesel car's invisible killers--it is about the (insert german car company name here)'s visible, stinky equal killers.
The same turbo 4 gets 263 hp if it runs on regular gas. That's one reason the US hasn't fallen in love with underpowered, stinky diesels yet. Maybe if gas were heading towards $5 a gallon instead of back to $3 a gallon, diesels might gain some traction.
Diesels are dirty. Get out, go behind your diesel, and take a wiff. I suppose those visible emissions--you know, the ones that you can't actually see in non-diesel vehicles)--are great for reducing smog as well?
I guess in Austin, with all our tech companies, the Best Buy jobs are all filled with teens because their the only ones left. Maybe other Best Buys are different, but San Antonio, Portand OR, and Boise aren't any better. I tried (unsuccessfully) to have questions answered about PlayStation3, Klipsch surround speakers, and the HDMI configuration on a Yamaha AV receiver. Not a single employee could answer my questions (not even geek squad) and all of them just tried to bullshit me instead.
Walking into an Apple store is like visiting a BMW dealership: everything is wood and polished aluminum and sparkly. Walking into a Microsoft store would be like visiting a Kia dealer: it might look and smell like greasy plastic, but hey! It's cheaper!
Congrats. Now take out the 6% of people who are unemployed and the millions of other people who choose not to work, and your median income per resident increases greatly. In other words, $26,000 is not the average wage for all people who work--just all people.
I think this is a wonderful way at raising employee moral.
Morale? Teenagers with no skills, working part-time for minimum wage are probably just happy to have a job that doesn't deal with happy meals. I was young and dumb once and would have LOVED to have been on the Geek Squad.
Depends on what an Apple Genius makes. In any case, it's not a lot for me (tech writer), or for a lawyer, or anyone with an established career, but it is a lot for someone (probably in college) serving in what boils down to a customer service position.
Random 3g weirdness and decreased batterly life hardly qualify as a "huge buggy disaster". With that said, it should be perfectly clear why Steve Jobs took the anti-3G stance with the v1 phone. In hindsight, seems he was right. I personally can't live without the 3G-Google Maps feature, otherwise I'd just use my v1 phone instead.
Yes, caffeine. The recreation drug of choice. I can't wait for my next caffeine party. Maybe I'll go tailgating at the football game today and get hepped up on coffee!
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I'm not disagreeing with the basic premise that diesels are known for being low-end torquey. My problem lies in the fact that non-diesel cars are not automatically NOT torquey. As I've stated, my car has 280 freakin' ft./lb of torque out of 2.4L 4-cyclinders! That's more than some small V8 diesels! So yes, diesels are limited to low rpm torque bands, and gas powered engines aren't...gas motors can be made in both low rpm torquey motors and high-reving, high horsepower variants as well.
And I mean that my gas-powered turbo Mazda creates way more torque than any of the turbo-diesels mentioned thus far at low RPMs. It isn't the fact that cars use diesel that makes them run well at low RPM. My low-rpm/high torque, non-diesel (but turbo charged) car proves that.
Gas powered engines can also be engineered to have flat torque bands and max power at lower rpms. My Mazda cranks out 280 ft./lb at 5000 or so RPM. The line you recite is a common rationalization for diesel engines, when high torque and narrow powerbands aren't the sole territory of diesels. The thing about the Le Mans Audis is how awesome those cars are IN SPITE of the fact they run on diesel. It's another aspect of the marketing required to convince people diesels are a good thing (not saying they aren't, it's just a concerted effort on the diesel industry's part to portray their self-interests in positive lights).
Does a 2007 Ford Transit, UK spec count? How about an Audi A2? Period. Fullstop. Rationalize all you like, but they still stink and are still loud, even if they may be cleaner in the science lab.
I'm sorry--I didn't mean the same VW engine gets 263. I was talking about my 2.4L 4-cylinder turbo charged Mazda engine. It also makes a whopping 280 ft/lb of torque, so there is no chance anyone in this thread is going to convince me that a VW turbo-diesel can come remotely close to the power output of my gas car. Gas mileage is another issue, however. But, my interest in my car is in horsepower/torque, while others may value m.p.g.
I grew up in Oregon, and your gas prices are directly related to the retarded need to pay somebody to pump gas and doesn't correlate with real gas price issues. Oil is down $5 a barrel just today. It's down over $60 barrel just in the past few weeks. You live in Oregon, so you have to pay some pot-head minimum wage to pump your gas for you...that's why your gas is going up while the rest of the country is going back to towards the $2-$3 a gallon range.
Ok, more proof that diesel fans are incredibly biased and only hear what they want to hear. My Mazdaspeed3 small 4-cylinder engine is gas powered and turbo-charged. It gets more TORQUE than the equivalent diesel as well-280 to be exact. Granted, I don't know what the VW turbo4s get for torque, but the fact remains, whatever that number is, a gas powered engine will get more. The "torque" mystique of diesel engines is a marketing ploy, as any torque engineered into a diesel can also be engineered into the equivalent gas model.
Alas, but this isn't about my non-diesel car's invisible killers--it is about the (insert german car company name here)'s visible, stinky equal killers.
Well then I guess Volkswagen doesn't do a very good job on their Jetta Turbo-diesels. They sound and smell just like the giant Dodge truck diesels.
The same turbo 4 gets 263 hp if it runs on regular gas. That's one reason the US hasn't fallen in love with underpowered, stinky diesels yet. Maybe if gas were heading towards $5 a gallon instead of back to $3 a gallon, diesels might gain some traction.
Diesels are dirty. Get out, go behind your diesel, and take a wiff. I suppose those visible emissions--you know, the ones that you can't actually see in non-diesel vehicles)--are great for reducing smog as well?
I guess in Austin, with all our tech companies, the Best Buy jobs are all filled with teens because their the only ones left. Maybe other Best Buys are different, but San Antonio, Portand OR, and Boise aren't any better. I tried (unsuccessfully) to have questions answered about PlayStation3, Klipsch surround speakers, and the HDMI configuration on a Yamaha AV receiver. Not a single employee could answer my questions (not even geek squad) and all of them just tried to bullshit me instead.
Walking into an Apple store is like visiting a BMW dealership: everything is wood and polished aluminum and sparkly. Walking into a Microsoft store would be like visiting a Kia dealer: it might look and smell like greasy plastic, but hey! It's cheaper!
Finally a good car analogy on slashdot!
I also don't pick up chicks based on what they think about the kind of car I drive...just sayin'
Apple will sell you extended warranty after the original warranty has run out so why not?
Gas is an ass-rape, but it's NOT the fault of the pump-jockey earning minimum wage.
Something tells me you live in OR or NJ.
Name one extended service warranty that is worth it, regardless of the cost of the product!
Congrats. Now take out the 6% of people who are unemployed and the millions of other people who choose not to work, and your median income per resident increases greatly. In other words, $26,000 is not the average wage for all people who work--just all people.
I think this is a wonderful way at raising employee moral.
Morale? Teenagers with no skills, working part-time for minimum wage are probably just happy to have a job that doesn't deal with happy meals. I was young and dumb once and would have LOVED to have been on the Geek Squad.
$41k/year is pretty darn good.
Uhh...are you serious? I'm rich, bitches! (even without my wife's income doubling my income).
Depends on what an Apple Genius makes. In any case, it's not a lot for me (tech writer), or for a lawyer, or anyone with an established career, but it is a lot for someone (probably in college) serving in what boils down to a customer service position.
Random 3g weirdness and decreased batterly life hardly qualify as a "huge buggy disaster". With that said, it should be perfectly clear why Steve Jobs took the anti-3G stance with the v1 phone. In hindsight, seems he was right. I personally can't live without the 3G-Google Maps feature, otherwise I'd just use my v1 phone instead.
"FUD doesn't mean what you think it means."
FUD lost its real definition years ago on slashdot. Indeed, this is yet another example of the misuse of FUD.
Define lately?
Yes, caffeine. The recreation drug of choice. I can't wait for my next caffeine party. Maybe I'll go tailgating at the football game today and get hepped up on coffee!
it may be illegal to own certain drugs, but that doesn't make drug users "crooks" or bad people.
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