Do you really think they are sitting on a huge pile of phones? They are not. The phones are in stock (in reasonable quantities, not massive) at their big stores and they aren't selling well there. People are apparently not asking about them very often at kiosks. Why would you take up valuable kiosk space with phones nobody seems to be that interested in.
WP7 phones not selling is really a non issue for carriers. It is only an issue for MS and the manufactures of those phones.
No kidding. Is anyone here naive enough to believe that Verizon isn't going to give the most highly demanded phones priority over the phones that nobody cares about? Does anyone here really think they don't put some effort into figuring out which ones are popular. If everyone was going to these kiosks and asking about Windows phones then they would quickly be supplied with windows phones.
For the last fucking time, you cant compare all of android to just the iPhone, you have to include all iOS devices.
Also, in general iOS users are more willing to spend money on applications making it a much more attractive OS for developers to target if they want to actually get paid for their work.
I am not sure how far back the Anti-Intellectualism streak goes in the US, but you are right that it has been around for a while, in some form for at least as long as I have been alive and it seems like quite a bit longer. But I don't think that geeks and geek culture got caught up in this very much.
Perhaps it is not the traditional geeks who are becoming Anti-Intellectual. These are the people who read Gravity's Rainbow over and over again and know their way through all of Tolkein and Asimov. Perhaps it is just that more and more people are joining Geek culture and bringing this sentiment with them. Perhaps it is not the traditional geek that is changing but the culture is changing due to the growing size of the Geek tent.
What I wonder is, is this happening out side of the US. I suspect it is, but I don't have any kind of reliable metric for measuring this.
What is Anti-Intellectualism and who does Larry Sanger think he is that he paint all geeks everywhere with this brush of his. I bet he has never even been outside the walls of his Ivory Tower!
I actually just meant that it was sold as a $30 upgrade on leopard. You were at least supposed to have leopard in order to install snow leopard (though I'm not sure it actually forced that in software).
If its available to leopard users directly (which it probably will be eventually if not on launch) then it will almost certainly cost them more than $30. The snow leopard upgrade is also $30 so I would expect it to be $60 straight up.
I believe all supported machines came with at least leopard (though I might be mistaken) so earlier OS's shouldn't be a problem.
mine broke. I have no idea how long ago, but I didn't find out till I tried burning a disk. Its probably been out of commission for over a year.
I chose not to replace it in my 4 year old laptop... I just don't use it enough. I agree, I would be happy with eliminating them from portables and only having externals. Its amazing how quickly optical media is becoming fringe. Seems to be happening even faster than with floppies. (but then I already thought the floppy was worthless when the iMac came out)
I find this unlikely because it would leave users of 10.5 out in the cold. There have to be people on 10.5 who are running on upgradable machines but didnt make the leap.
Of course they could buy 10.6 for 30 bucks and then upgrade through the app store. I assume the reason Lion is only 30 bucks is because it is an upgrade from 10.6 only. Maybe they will have a higher priced option for people coming from earlier versions. In the long run I can see going all app store, but the transition probably requires some other options even if they are not ideal.
It wont surprise me, but most people wont have to bother with this anyway. The store remembers your purchases and all macs come with original installation media. You can restore to the factory state and then have the store update you to the latest version you have purchased.
An offline backup could be useful in some situations to avoid having to download, or where you cannot download, but most people probably wont bother with it.
It doesn't sound like this service is currently targeted at collaboration. Perhaps in the future it will be, but I didn't get that impression from the news feed I was following.
I agree though that workflow through multiple apps could be an issue. It sounds like on your mac you can easily use the old school file system but that is not the case on iDevices and if the future is going to be devices like that, certainly it will be necessary to move your data from application to application in some way.
This is not a streaming service. Songs are downloaded to your deceives as per your preferences. Of course they may not be available for re-download after a year if you don't pay up, that part is still not clear.
The fact that this is a syncing and not a streaming services is a very important point however. You are not using bandwidth every time you listen to a song, only when you move new songs onto your device (which, presumably, you would do over WiFi)
From what I have seen this is incorrect. You get a freshly encoded ACC file for every song. The question is, what happens when you don't re-up next year? Do you still have those files? Can I pay 25 bucks this year register my 100gb of MP3s and get ACCs and then im free and clear (assuming all new music is purchased through itunes and not on CDs?). How will this work with the songs ripped off my friends bands CD that are not available on iTunes (im not clear on that... can I still use this service?).
I hope that Apple will step up, but I'm not sure there is anything in the iOS developers agreement that requires them to do so or guarantees any kind of protection against this kind of thing.. If anyone knows of one I would like to see it.
While I don't like them grouped together on the mac, you can double click the title bar instead of minimizing, which is the button that is right next to close.
But yea, that was a legitimate step back for the mac.
The one about the close button having migrated to be next to the min and max buttons (on the mac anyway, they were always together on windows right?) is a pretty good point. A destructive button like that should be isolated from other controls.
But yea, a lot of the other ones I have seen in there were just crap.
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Do you really think they are sitting on a huge pile of phones? They are not. The phones are in stock (in reasonable quantities, not massive) at their big stores and they aren't selling well there. People are apparently not asking about them very often at kiosks. Why would you take up valuable kiosk space with phones nobody seems to be that interested in.
WP7 phones not selling is really a non issue for carriers. It is only an issue for MS and the manufactures of those phones.
No kidding. Is anyone here naive enough to believe that Verizon isn't going to give the most highly demanded phones priority over the phones that nobody cares about? Does anyone here really think they don't put some effort into figuring out which ones are popular. If everyone was going to these kiosks and asking about Windows phones then they would quickly be supplied with windows phones.
For the last fucking time, you cant compare all of android to just the iPhone, you have to include all iOS devices.
Also, in general iOS users are more willing to spend money on applications making it a much more attractive OS for developers to target if they want to actually get paid for their work.
I wish my external did, but that's what you get for 20 bucks
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I am not sure how far back the Anti-Intellectualism streak goes in the US, but you are right that it has been around for a while, in some form for at least as long as I have been alive and it seems like quite a bit longer. But I don't think that geeks and geek culture got caught up in this very much.
Perhaps it is not the traditional geeks who are becoming Anti-Intellectual. These are the people who read Gravity's Rainbow over and over again and know their way through all of Tolkein and Asimov. Perhaps it is just that more and more people are joining Geek culture and bringing this sentiment with them. Perhaps it is not the traditional geek that is changing but the culture is changing due to the growing size of the Geek tent.
What I wonder is, is this happening out side of the US. I suspect it is, but I don't have any kind of reliable metric for measuring this.
Chomsky? Way to bust out the Appeal to Authority fallacy.
Wait, which side am I on again?
exactly... its not new, its just finally becoming an embarrassment to the rest of us geeks.
What is Anti-Intellectualism and who does Larry Sanger think he is that he paint all geeks everywhere with this brush of his. I bet he has never even been outside the walls of his Ivory Tower!
Any expert that holds a grudge like that is no expert I ever care to hear from.
I actually just meant that it was sold as a $30 upgrade on leopard. You were at least supposed to have leopard in order to install snow leopard (though I'm not sure it actually forced that in software).
If its available to leopard users directly (which it probably will be eventually if not on launch) then it will almost certainly cost them more than $30. The snow leopard upgrade is also $30 so I would expect it to be $60 straight up.
I believe all supported machines came with at least leopard (though I might be mistaken) so earlier OS's shouldn't be a problem.
To be fair, isnt that snow leopard purchase just an upgrade on leopard?
Of course leopard (or better) came on every machine that will run Lion but it is kind of part of the cost of the machine.
mine broke. I have no idea how long ago, but I didn't find out till I tried burning a disk. Its probably been out of commission for over a year.
I chose not to replace it in my 4 year old laptop... I just don't use it enough. I agree, I would be happy with eliminating them from portables and only having externals. Its amazing how quickly optical media is becoming fringe. Seems to be happening even faster than with floppies. (but then I already thought the floppy was worthless when the iMac came out)
I find this unlikely because it would leave users of 10.5 out in the cold. There have to be people on 10.5 who are running on upgradable machines but didnt make the leap.
Of course they could buy 10.6 for 30 bucks and then upgrade through the app store. I assume the reason Lion is only 30 bucks is because it is an upgrade from 10.6 only. Maybe they will have a higher priced option for people coming from earlier versions. In the long run I can see going all app store, but the transition probably requires some other options even if they are not ideal.
It wont surprise me, but most people wont have to bother with this anyway. The store remembers your purchases and all macs come with original installation media. You can restore to the factory state and then have the store update you to the latest version you have purchased.
An offline backup could be useful in some situations to avoid having to download, or where you cannot download, but most people probably wont bother with it.
Really, you cant think of any other definitions for that word? Maybe you could try looking it up.
It doesn't sound like this service is currently targeted at collaboration. Perhaps in the future it will be, but I didn't get that impression from the news feed I was following.
I agree though that workflow through multiple apps could be an issue. It sounds like on your mac you can easily use the old school file system but that is not the case on iDevices and if the future is going to be devices like that, certainly it will be necessary to move your data from application to application in some way.
This is not a streaming service. Songs are downloaded to your deceives as per your preferences. Of course they may not be available for re-download after a year if you don't pay up, that part is still not clear.
The fact that this is a syncing and not a streaming services is a very important point however. You are not using bandwidth every time you listen to a song, only when you move new songs onto your device (which, presumably, you would do over WiFi)
From what I have seen this is incorrect. You get a freshly encoded ACC file for every song. The question is, what happens when you don't re-up next year? Do you still have those files? Can I pay 25 bucks this year register my 100gb of MP3s and get ACCs and then im free and clear (assuming all new music is purchased through itunes and not on CDs?). How will this work with the songs ripped off my friends bands CD that are not available on iTunes (im not clear on that... can I still use this service?).
I hope that Apple will step up, but I'm not sure there is anything in the iOS developers agreement that requires them to do so or guarantees any kind of protection against this kind of thing.. If anyone knows of one I would like to see it.
Thats only because all the ones they built in the swamps sank.
Didn't the anti trust regulation period end a while back? I assume windows will become the garden of peace and prosperity any day now.
While I don't like them grouped together on the mac, you can double click the title bar instead of minimizing, which is the button that is right next to close.
But yea, that was a legitimate step back for the mac.
The one about the close button having migrated to be next to the min and max buttons (on the mac anyway, they were always together on windows right?) is a pretty good point. A destructive button like that should be isolated from other controls.
But yea, a lot of the other ones I have seen in there were just crap.