Well, if a city can get away with not admitting it screwed up with colorful Mooninites giving obscene gestures NOT being bombs (who'da thunk?), then another city can certainly get away with I-pulled-this-charge-out-of-my-ass-so-I-don't-look-incompetent with one cop and one "offender".
Pffft, seen what happens to dissidents when the President is there? Whisked away. "Loyalty Oaths", etc.
Perhaps not "Republicans", but I tend to shy away from partisanship. Both parties do it, and both are scumbags for it. I think this case, however, was more of an over zealous police problem than a democrats-keeping-you-down problem.
Maybe that's why they shouldn't slap a badge on just any asshole... because it *does* take a lot of physical and interpersonal skills to arrest or detain someone. And the wits to know when force is or is not necessary, and to what degree.
Nobody said their job was easy (I acknowledge that it's often difficult and frustrating), but it's one that has to be done properly, regardless of difficulty. Hence why good cops (like good mechanics and good programmers) are worth their weight in gold.
True, but I'd think he wouldn't bother with the question if he intended to kill him (unless he were REALLY stupid, which is not a stretch of the imagination given the incident). And if he were into theatrical assassinations, I'd hope there was at least one cop who was worth a damn on the draw. And from personal experience, I know that drawing a gun from your pocket is a lot slower than from a holster (even a concealed one).
The kid was out of line, but the degree of action the police took was as well.
...my right to peacefully attend a political Q&A with a former presidential cantidate and not worry about lunatics?
You enjoy no such right. But the issue is that the "lunatic" still enjoys 8th amendment protections, as well as the fact that the police are not allowed to punish him: that's what the court is for.
How would everyone have answered if a right wing person took control of the room screaming and yelling?
I don't think you can really assume political affiliation, at least based on what I saw in the video. I thought he was Republican-ish and I still felt sympathy in spite of that.
what about if this guy then suddenly produced a weapon and assassinated Senator Kerry?
What if he didn't. Oh yeah, he didn't. What if a brown person in a turban was sitting next to you on the airplane and suddenly whips out a bomb remote?!?!
They would have been justified in doing so: it is lawful for citizens to stop an unlawful arrest. The police (or at least the officer wielding the taser) assaulted this student when they used excessive force (watch the video: he was under control). Of course, a full-scale melee probably wouldn't have been a good outcome, but it would eventually be found legal in a fair court, though I personally wouldn't feel too confident sitting in the defendant's chair when being accused of assaulting a police officer even if it were justified.
And if six cops need a taser to control one sober person, how do they expect to control drug crazed / drunk people without shooting them dead? Is this the kind of police force we want in the country that's the supposed "leader of the free world"?
This is the same as with the taser incident at UCLA several months ago...there were half a dozen cops or more who had control of him and used the taser for pain compliance and not to stop a threat. He was pinned by several officers. There's no excuse for using it on him in that situation where they clearly had control of him.
At least the nightstick can be used to do pressure points which stop hurting instantly when they stop pushing. That would have been warranted (the guy is clearly not without fault, but the police didn't need to taser him).
I can think of a few bands in my own town that are equal to or BETTER than similar national acts. Not every godlike musician will become famous, nor will every crap one be (rightfully) doomed to obscurity...life ain't fair like that.
Proof: Paris Hilton has commercially available sound recordings (I wouldn't go so far as to call it music), I do not. Nuff said.
Well, most big bikes are liquid cooled...I'm not a physicist, but would such a configuration (2500W dumped into a heat sink) for the electric bike generate more heat than your average 1000-1500cc, 2- or 4-cylinder combustion engine? If not, then a potentiometer, while wasteful, would be signficantly simpler to implement, and there is a lot to be said for simplicity. Then again, it's simple enough to mass produce were such a thing to be made commercially, but I'm thinking more of the hobbyist with simplicity. However...that's a lot of juice, so I am guessing it would exceed temperatures generated by a conventional motorcycle engine, and thusly my post would be for naught.
That's nothing...I've seen an entire 8.5" x 11" sheet of paper with ONE sentence in German class in about 40 pt font. God help you if you actually go to court there.
Counterpoint to America, where my then-mohawked friend, who was out of his home state at the time, in possession of *burglary* tools (for squatting), and having ducked into an alley, was let off on the spot by cops because they couldn't prove anything. Most people wouldn't be so lucky...
Then again, except at the airport and a group following a Lebanon War protest last summer, the only time I've seen cops in Germany, they always look like they are going for a nice stroll. I'd rather deal w/ German cops than American cops...
That's exactly what I'm saying, though: my meatbag wants to make meatbags similar to itself, but I (my mind) wants to create art and information. And despite being interdependent, my mind is much superior to my meatbag. The meatbag needs to understand that its job is to move my mind around...its not a sentient machine on its own, so it needs to chill out. If it breaks, then hopefully by then science will be able to give me a new one.
Maybe it's just me, but most people I know who listen to death metal, etc. (myself included) are pretty laid back. I had to deal with this same bullshit when Columbine happened because I also wore black and listened to KMFDM and played Doom...same "symptoms", yet I had no inclination to murder people. I still don't, and my choices in clothing, music, and video games have gravitated *further* in the "scary" direction since then. People who listen to and genuinely enjoy pop music scare me a LOT more than people who have four pounds of metal in their face and are sleeved with tattoos.
I think humans are beyond propagation of genetically similar meatbags...knowledge is our higher purpose now. Look at Stephen Hawking: assuming he did not have children, I think most people would consider him to have been successful.
And there's always genetic engineering. Nazi-super-babies. (I guess that's pseudo-Godwinian, but only in reference to eugenics and not the fascist aspect...so does that count?).
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Well, if a city can get away with not admitting it screwed up with colorful Mooninites giving obscene gestures NOT being bombs (who'da thunk?), then another city can certainly get away with I-pulled-this-charge-out-of-my-ass-so-I-don't-look-incompetent with one cop and one "offender".
Damn, I knew I should not have submitted to a cavity search by an "undercover security officer".
We've already got cops misusing tasers...and those only work on one person at a time...
And you thought DRM on music was bad...
Pffft, seen what happens to dissidents when the President is there? Whisked away. "Loyalty Oaths", etc.
Perhaps not "Republicans", but I tend to shy away from partisanship. Both parties do it, and both are scumbags for it. I think this case, however, was more of an over zealous police problem than a democrats-keeping-you-down problem.
Maybe that's why they shouldn't slap a badge on just any asshole... because it *does* take a lot of physical and interpersonal skills to arrest or detain someone. And the wits to know when force is or is not necessary, and to what degree.
Nobody said their job was easy (I acknowledge that it's often difficult and frustrating), but it's one that has to be done properly, regardless of difficulty. Hence why good cops (like good mechanics and good programmers) are worth their weight in gold.
True, but I'd think he wouldn't bother with the question if he intended to kill him (unless he were REALLY stupid, which is not a stretch of the imagination given the incident). And if he were into theatrical assassinations, I'd hope there was at least one cop who was worth a damn on the draw. And from personal experience, I know that drawing a gun from your pocket is a lot slower than from a holster (even a concealed one).
The kid was out of line, but the degree of action the police took was as well.
Wow, you must be a lot stronger than I am.
This is the same as with the taser incident at UCLA several months ago...there were half a dozen cops or more who had control of him and used the taser for pain compliance and not to stop a threat. He was pinned by several officers. There's no excuse for using it on him in that situation where they clearly had control of him.
At least the nightstick can be used to do pressure points which stop hurting instantly when they stop pushing. That would have been warranted (the guy is clearly not without fault, but the police didn't need to taser him).
Pretty much.
I can think of a few bands in my own town that are equal to or BETTER than similar national acts. Not every godlike musician will become famous, nor will every crap one be (rightfully) doomed to obscurity...life ain't fair like that.
Proof: Paris Hilton has commercially available sound recordings (I wouldn't go so far as to call it music), I do not. Nuff said.
Yeah...maybe it wasn't *that* big then...but it was LONG by English standards...
Nah, it just means northerly Germans need to stay away from the keyboard when they're drunk. Er, I mean, Dutchmen.
Ironically, the German (and Dutch, phonetically) word for the moon is the same as the French word for "world"...sans -e
Well, most big bikes are liquid cooled...I'm not a physicist, but would such a configuration (2500W dumped into a heat sink) for the electric bike generate more heat than your average 1000-1500cc, 2- or 4-cylinder combustion engine? If not, then a potentiometer, while wasteful, would be signficantly simpler to implement, and there is a lot to be said for simplicity. Then again, it's simple enough to mass produce were such a thing to be made commercially, but I'm thinking more of the hobbyist with simplicity. However...that's a lot of juice, so I am guessing it would exceed temperatures generated by a conventional motorcycle engine, and thusly my post would be for naught.
Can't they just pick a round number? Like five billion orbits of an electron around a hydrogen atom?
That's nothing...I've seen an entire 8.5" x 11" sheet of paper with ONE sentence in German class in about 40 pt font. God help you if you actually go to court there.
And people think we can trust the government with this kind of power too!!
Counterpoint to America, where my then-mohawked friend, who was out of his home state at the time, in possession of *burglary* tools (for squatting), and having ducked into an alley, was let off on the spot by cops because they couldn't prove anything. Most people wouldn't be so lucky...
Then again, except at the airport and a group following a Lebanon War protest last summer, the only time I've seen cops in Germany, they always look like they are going for a nice stroll. I'd rather deal w/ German cops than American cops...
Only on Cingular in my experience. I have two Samsung phones (one personal and one work)
"Bup badup, bup badup, bup badup, bdbdbdbdbdbbdbdup".
That's exactly what I'm saying, though: my meatbag wants to make meatbags similar to itself, but I (my mind) wants to create art and information. And despite being interdependent, my mind is much superior to my meatbag. The meatbag needs to understand that its job is to move my mind around...its not a sentient machine on its own, so it needs to chill out. If it breaks, then hopefully by then science will be able to give me a new one.
Maybe it's just me, but most people I know who listen to death metal, etc. (myself included) are pretty laid back. I had to deal with this same bullshit when Columbine happened because I also wore black and listened to KMFDM and played Doom...same "symptoms", yet I had no inclination to murder people. I still don't, and my choices in clothing, music, and video games have gravitated *further* in the "scary" direction since then. People who listen to and genuinely enjoy pop music scare me a LOT more than people who have four pounds of metal in their face and are sleeved with tattoos.
I think humans are beyond propagation of genetically similar meatbags...knowledge is our higher purpose now. Look at Stephen Hawking: assuming he did not have children, I think most people would consider him to have been successful.
And there's always genetic engineering. Nazi-super-babies. (I guess that's pseudo-Godwinian, but only in reference to eugenics and not the fascist aspect...so does that count?).
> The RIAA/Labels have slapped down bands for putting up their own stuff on their own official websites.
That's probably a contract violation...for RIAA bands...
It's nice to be free of those particular chains and retain full control of my creative sonic output.