Not sure if it would happen or not, but, what if the RIAA pissed off these giants of the internet to the point that they start blocking ALL of the sites associated with the RIAA? BMG, Universal, Sony?
ALL your sites, they belong to us!! Now that would be Justice/comedy!! >:-D
are what my lady wants. Her favorite stone is the Emerald and I already purchased a 3ct. stone for her. I plan on picking up the Rubies from a trusted jeweler friend of mine and he will also set all the stones for me (1 Emerald 5 Rubies). Anyway, there is my alternative.
"But according to the State of California ferrets can establish ferral populations [ca.gov]..."
Try not to put too much faith in the CA gov't. They get their info from the CDFG and it has been proven that they fabricated reports and flat out lied in court.
"The Center for Exotic Pest Research at UC Davis said if ferret ownership was to become legal, there is a "high risk" of feral populations."
As I stated in my previous post, Ferrets are ALREADY legal in 48 of the 50 States. Also as a point of fact, UC Davis receives grants from the California Department of Fish and Game. As well as rather large donations from groups like the Auduban Society and The Sierra Club who, sadly, rely on information from the CDFG and it's paid croonies. Show me a report from an independent third party research group that states that there are feral populations of ferrets ANYWHERE in the USA. Also, it was "HUNTING" ferrets that were introduced into New Zealand. These animals were already used to hunting and were not fixed (spayed/neutured).
"Groups like Ferets Anonymous say that Ferets cannot survive in the wild and grow in population. This does not make sense."
The problem that you are running into here is that you are not doing your research. If I am wrong then please show me and I will change/modify my opinions. The reason that Domestic ferrets don't survive real well in the wild, is that, every animal that is raised on ferret farms, are spayed/ neutered at about 8 weeks of age. This makes it impossible for them to breed obviously. So we go to independent breeders. If their mating animals escaped it could be possible to breed but again the survival of the animal is dependent on humans. Kits (baby ferrets) fixate on their food shortly after they are weened. It is well documented that many ferrets have starved to death because their owners decided to change the food. The animals were normally found not 3 feet from a food source.
Also, spaying is a MEDICAL NECESSITY. Unlike other mammals that go into heat for short periods of time (i.e. dogs, cats, parrots, cows, canaries, whatever...) the female ferret stays in heat until she is bred. This unending heat cycle leads to a life-threatening conditoin called Aplastic Anemia. If not recognized and corrected in time this condition leads to death. The only ways for the female to come out of heat is by breeding, being given a hormone shot, being fixed, or DYING. In males neutering is more of a bahvioral necessity and a scent relief issue. This is why ferrets, who are not specifically used for breeding, are never kept whole. The odds of an Hob (Unfixed Male) and a Jill (Unfixed female) surviving long enough in the wild to find each other, and find food that they will eat, and be in season at the same time, and not becoming something else's bedtime snack (i.e. Owls, wolves, coyotes, snakes, feral cats, domestic cats...etc...) are extremely high AGAINST the ferret. Not Magic, just fact.
There are also reports about how conservationists attempted to save the North American Black Footed Ferret (see previous post for link) from extinction by setting up a breeding program and capturing the remaining animals. 18 animals were recovered from the wild. During the process the Black Footed Ferrets "domesticated" to the breeders. As a result, when the first test groups that were released into the wild, either starved to death because they did not know how to hunt anymore (remember these were generations of ferrets removed from the original stock) or they were set upon by predators that they didn't know how to escape from. Further groups, where strict breeding conditions, such as the Californa Condor Program, were enforced, were able to re-integrate into the wild and prosper. Also, like I said, anytime you add Humans to the environmental mix, you get disasters.
Who would I trust? No one. Especially not the groups you mentioned. Their political agendas extend far past protection of the environment. One report that I haven't seen is on the environmental impact of feral populations of cats and dogs.
Here's another little tidbit for you. There is not one report
ANYWHERE
stating that a human died from a ferret attack. How many reports are there about Humans being killed by dogs? I know that 25 people DIED because they were mauled to death by a dog and hundreds of reports each year of dog and cat bites that required serious medical attention. I don't see anyone trying to outlaw the ownership of domestic cats or dogs. Domestic Ferrets are 200 times less likely to bite than dogs or cats according to the American Veterinarian Medical Association. No one has ever died from a ferret bite.
One more tidbit and hopefully you will respond to this post. There are Zero reports of rabies being transmitted from a ferret to Human, and only a small handfull fo rabies in ferrets have EVER been documented. Domestic Ferrets are one of the most difficult animals to infect with Rabies. The Center for Disease Control and Prevention has documented fewer than 20 ferrets, infected with rabies since 1954. In 6 years, 1989-1994, there have only been 4 cases of ferrets with rabies. Compared with dogs and cats, whose rabies incidence numbers were 928 and 1425 respectively. Raccoons came in highest at 21,447 cases, and skunks came in next with 10,733. Only 15 rabid were reported, but that still outnumbers rabid ferrets almost 4 to 1!! One reason is that they are far less likely to come into contact with rabies bearing animals. Studies indicate ferrets ( and their family members) have an incredible natural immunity to rabies even when bitten by a rabid animal. You have a greater opportunity of contracting rabies from either a cat or a dog.
All right. I read this post and had a shit fit. This person either has ZERO clue or is a member of one of the above mentioned organizations who for some silly reason are extremely against ferrets.
First off, you need to understand that there are 2 types of Ferret. There is the domestic ferret that has been around for more than a thousand years. As an example, Queen Elizabeth I, raised ferrets and gave them away as gifts. You can see other examples here.
The other type of ferret is the North American Black Footed Ferret. This is the wild version and is illegal to own because it is an endangered species. It is also "the rarest native mammal in the United States...".
Yes, in California and Hawaii, they are illegal. However, according to various reports,(none of which I can find right now) there are no "Feral" Ferret populations in the USA. I will find the reports and post a response. Also, Domestic Ferrets are legal in all continental states including Alaska, and excepting California.
I don't have documentation concerning cable chewing but I will find it. From personnal experience, I have zero problems with my ferrets chewing on cables. I have network cables, power cables, video cables and other stuff laying all about and the majority of them are hot. I have yet to find a breaker tripped and a crispied critter attached to anything.
Let's start listing some facts....
1. Ferrets are very litter box trainable. In fact they are very fastidious about using the litter box. The only times that they miss are if the boxes haven't been scooped or if they are 2 far away from one. The reason for this is that the ferret intestinal tract is very short (usually about 3 to 4 hours) and they normally need to go to the box as soon as they wake up. So let them do their thing and THEN play with them. Now, to be honest there is a draw back. You will need many litter boxes depending on the size of your home. My lady and I live in a condo that is 1045sq ft and we have 12 litter boxes for 6 ferrets. We had 9 at one time hence that number of litter boxes. If you have a small apartment then I would recommend about 4-5 boxes.
2. Ferrets are not hard to train. Simply look at all the movies and commercials they have been in. Beast Master (Movie and series), Kindergarten Cop, Dr. Dolittle 2*, Doritos.. Just to name a few. Also, Everything Ferret has very good articles on house training ferrets.
3. As to the question of cages, I know from personnal experience that ferrets do not mind cages at all. Now understand that you can't just toss a ferret in an empty cage and expect it to be happy. This is your pet not a convict. Put bedding, blankets, toys and what not in there to keep them happy. A couple good books to read are "Ferrets" by Dr. Wendy Winsted, TFH Publications and "Ferrets: A complete Owners Guide" by Chuck and Fox Morton, published by Barron's. Also,see the links at the end of this post for more information.
4. Ferrets are neither Nocturnal(awake at night) or Diurnal(awake during the day). They sleep 14-18 hours a day and, from personnal experience, they adjust to your schedule. PetSmart has a wonderfull section about ferrets here.
5. Anytime Humans attempt to control their environment disaster normally results. Prime example is here. New Zealand does have a ban on ferrets. The primary problem they had there was that there were no natural predators. But I digress.
This post could go on and on. The bottom line is do your research. Ferrets DO make wonderfull pets but as with any animal, preparations must be made and a certain amount of knoweledge must be gathered. Go to your favorite search engine and type in Ferret. If I have missed anything (probably alot) post it and let me know!
Richard Bach (who owns ferrets), author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull, has written two books about Ferrets. Air Ferrets Aloft and Rescue Ferrets at Sea. Go here and type Ferrets in the search.
I own 6 Ferrets and they are an absolute blast. They sleep for 14 to 18 hours a day, are litter box trainable and do not gnaw on cables. They are intensely curious. Best analogy that I have read is that they are a cross of the best of a cat and dog. When they are awake they are like a 2-year old on very,very good caffine!:-) If you chose the right one they will bond with you and adjust their sleep cycle to your schedule. Females are about a half pound for the very smallest ones up to 2 pounds and the males can range from about 3 pounds to the largest one that I had seen and held that was 6 pounds. They are very loving and really love to play.
The tradition of calling for a Moment Of Silence at the death of Famous individuals and others, has been occuring for centuries. That means that if the one composer who died in 1992 could not have been alive to have covered all moments of silence. Heretofore let it be known that "Silence" is in the Public Domain.
So there!:-P
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It is a matter that any reasonable company can be expected to provide code for THEIR product that actually fixes the problem it was designed for and not open new holes.
Of course we are talking about Microsoft and I don't think that reasonable could be applied to their definition. Microsoft has become famous for sinking their heads in the sand when a major problem shows up or flat out denying it's existence. They take their sweet time releasing a "fix" to a problem that they were FORCED to recognize. Supposedly the time it took to release said "fix" was used to ensure that it worked and didn't break anything else. This is a falicy. The other item Microsoft has become (in)famous for is using the public as a giant beta test pool.
My big beef is not that Microsoft is a poor quality company, but, that it is a poor quality company that takes away my options/rights on a regular basis and then hides behind laws that were never thuroughly(?) thought out to begin with. No, you cannot turn off autoupd for XP. If you try the system breaks. I hope that I or someone else is able to find/create a hack that allows me to reclaim my rights. I am still looking.
I am learning Linux as fast as I possibly can. My ultimate plan is to switch over everything I can as soon as I can. As for games I will simply keep a windows box in a corner and not connected to the network for any games that I can't get to run with WINE. Sorry to have ranted. I will probably get modded to Troll.:-)
Wearable computers, wrist PDAs... At this rate, if you get past airport security, you will need a master power switch to turn yourself off and on for take-off and landings!;-)
I had always wondered about all the hard "facts" in science. Considering that most of science is based on educated guesses, it was only a matter of time before real hard facts started surfacing. Maybe this is the start of disproving Einstein's theory.
It makes you wonder how the FBI catch hackers but someone spying for someone else who is under their noses they don't seem to "notice". Makes you wonder if Carnivor would actually work.:-)
Normally I would agree with that. However, this IS the Federal Government we're talking about. They have proven their tendencies towards total control (or attempted control) many many times in the past. IMHO, not just "something" should be done. If we let our Gov't "Just do something" about it, then we give up more of our rights and freedoms.
"Every frame of their movies is handcrafted with tons of sweat and tears."
I have to agree. I was getting tired of Disney and Fox Studios bringing out animations that seemed, for lack of a better word, artificial. Toy Story and Toy Story II contained some of the freshest animation and thought that I have seen in years. I am going to see The Emperors New Groove today and I hope it turns out to be as fresh.
And Taco, Take a Valium big guy! The world is not out to get you.:-)
I have read alot of the replies to this story. I have seen reasonable arguments and those bordering on the inane. I have one question though...
After all is said and done, where does it end?
I have had numerous people ask me "Is that really true?" or "Is that possible?!?". Sometimes I have to tell them that I simply don't know. "The Net" was total bull. Great action and suspense, but bull. I think it comes down to how to please the uneducated audience. I know there were times that watching a movie, that barely touched on a truth in the industry, made me go out and research more to find out if that was actually possible. I say take it as it comes and laugh at the rediculous parts!:-)
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Not sure if it would happen or not, but, what if the RIAA pissed off these giants of the internet to the point that they start blocking ALL of the sites associated with the RIAA? BMG, Universal, Sony?
ALL your sites, they belong to us!!
Now that would be Justice/comedy!! >:-D
are what my lady wants. Her favorite stone is the Emerald and I already purchased a 3ct. stone for her. I plan on picking up the Rubies from a trusted jeweler friend of mine and he will also set all the stones for me (1 Emerald 5 Rubies). Anyway, there is my alternative.
Try not to put too much faith in the CA gov't. They get their info from the CDFG and it has been proven that they fabricated reports and flat out lied in court.
"The Center for Exotic Pest Research at UC Davis said if ferret ownership was to become legal, there is a "high risk" of feral populations."
As I stated in my previous post, Ferrets are ALREADY legal in 48 of the 50 States. Also as a point of fact, UC Davis receives grants from the California Department of Fish and Game. As well as rather large donations from groups like the Auduban Society and The Sierra Club who, sadly, rely on information from the CDFG and it's paid croonies. Show me a report from an independent third party research group that states that there are feral populations of ferrets ANYWHERE in the USA. Also, it was "HUNTING" ferrets that were introduced into New Zealand. These animals were already used to hunting and were not fixed (spayed/neutured).
"Groups like Ferets Anonymous say that Ferets cannot survive in the wild and grow in population. This does not make sense."
The problem that you are running into here is that you are not doing your research. If I am wrong then please show me and I will change/modify my opinions. The reason that Domestic ferrets don't survive real well in the wild, is that, every animal that is raised on ferret farms, are spayed/ neutered at about 8 weeks of age. This makes it impossible for them to breed obviously. So we go to independent breeders. If their mating animals escaped it could be possible to breed but again the survival of the animal is dependent on humans. Kits (baby ferrets) fixate on their food shortly after they are weened. It is well documented that many ferrets have starved to death because their owners decided to change the food. The animals were normally found not 3 feet from a food source.
Also, spaying is a MEDICAL NECESSITY. Unlike other mammals that go into heat for short periods of time (i.e. dogs, cats, parrots, cows, canaries, whatever...) the female ferret stays in heat until she is bred. This unending heat cycle leads to a life-threatening conditoin called Aplastic Anemia. If not recognized and corrected in time this condition leads to death. The only ways for the female to come out of heat is by breeding, being given a hormone shot, being fixed, or DYING. In males neutering is more of a bahvioral necessity and a scent relief issue. This is why ferrets, who are not specifically used for breeding, are never kept whole. The odds of an Hob (Unfixed Male) and a Jill (Unfixed female) surviving long enough in the wild to find each other, and find food that they will eat, and be in season at the same time, and not becoming something else's bedtime snack (i.e. Owls, wolves, coyotes, snakes, feral cats, domestic cats...etc...) are extremely high AGAINST the ferret. Not Magic, just fact.
There are also reports about how conservationists attempted to save the North American Black Footed Ferret (see previous post for link) from extinction by setting up a breeding program and capturing the remaining animals. 18 animals were recovered from the wild. During the process the Black Footed Ferrets "domesticated" to the breeders. As a result, when the first test groups that were released into the wild, either starved to death because they did not know how to hunt anymore (remember these were generations of ferrets removed from the original stock) or they were set upon by predators that they didn't know how to escape from. Further groups, where strict breeding conditions, such as the Californa Condor Program, were enforced, were able to re-integrate into the wild and prosper. Also, like I said, anytime you add Humans to the environmental mix, you get disasters.
Who would I trust? No one. Especially not the groups you mentioned. Their political agendas extend far past protection of the environment. One report that I haven't seen is on the environmental impact of feral populations of cats and dogs.
Here's another little tidbit for you. There is not one report
- ANYWHERE
stating that a human died from a ferret attack. How many reports are there about Humans being killed by dogs? I know that 25 people DIED because they were mauled to death by a dog and hundreds of reports each year of dog and cat bites that required serious medical attention. I don't see anyone trying to outlaw the ownership of domestic cats or dogs. Domestic Ferrets are 200 times less likely to bite than dogs or cats according to the American Veterinarian Medical Association. No one has ever died from a ferret bite.One more tidbit and hopefully you will respond to this post. There are Zero reports of rabies being transmitted from a ferret to Human, and only a small handfull fo rabies in ferrets have EVER been documented. Domestic Ferrets are one of the most difficult animals to infect with Rabies. The Center for Disease Control and Prevention has documented fewer than 20 ferrets, infected with rabies since 1954. In 6 years, 1989-1994, there have only been 4 cases of ferrets with rabies. Compared with dogs and cats, whose rabies incidence numbers were 928 and 1425 respectively. Raccoons came in highest at 21,447 cases, and skunks came in next with 10,733. Only 15 rabid were reported, but that still outnumbers rabid ferrets almost 4 to 1!! One reason is that they are far less likely to come into contact with rabies bearing animals. Studies indicate ferrets ( and their family members) have an incredible natural immunity to rabies even when bitten by a rabid animal. You have a greater opportunity of contracting rabies from either a cat or a dog.
Please respond.
All right. I read this post and had a shit fit. This person either has ZERO clue or is a member of one of the above mentioned organizations who for some silly reason are extremely against ferrets.
First off, you need to understand that there are 2 types of Ferret. There is the domestic ferret that has been around for more than a thousand years. As an example, Queen Elizabeth I, raised ferrets and gave them away as gifts. You can see other examples here.
The other type of ferret is the North American Black Footed Ferret. This is the wild version and is illegal to own because it is an endangered species. It is also "the rarest native mammal in the United States...".
Yes, in California and Hawaii, they are illegal. However, according to various reports,(none of which I can find right now) there are no "Feral" Ferret populations in the USA. I will find the reports and post a response. Also, Domestic Ferrets are legal in all continental states including Alaska, and excepting California.
I don't have documentation concerning cable chewing but I will find it. From personnal experience, I have zero problems with my ferrets chewing on cables. I have network cables, power cables, video cables and other stuff laying all about and the majority of them are hot. I have yet to find a breaker tripped and a crispied critter attached to anything.
Let's start listing some facts....
1. Ferrets are very litter box trainable. In fact they are very fastidious about using the litter box. The only times that they miss are if the boxes haven't been scooped or if they are 2 far away from one. The reason for this is that the ferret intestinal tract is very short (usually about 3 to 4 hours) and they normally need to go to the box as soon as they wake up. So let them do their thing and THEN play with them. Now, to be honest there is a draw back. You will need many litter boxes depending on the size of your home. My lady and I live in a condo that is 1045sq ft and we have 12 litter boxes for 6 ferrets. We had 9 at one time hence that number of litter boxes. If you have a small apartment then I would recommend about 4-5 boxes.
2. Ferrets are not hard to train. Simply look at all the movies and commercials they have been in. Beast Master (Movie and series), Kindergarten Cop, Dr. Dolittle 2*, Doritos.. Just to name a few. Also, Everything Ferret has very good articles on house training ferrets.
3. As to the question of cages, I know from personnal experience that ferrets do not mind cages at all. Now understand that you can't just toss a ferret in an empty cage and expect it to be happy. This is your pet not a convict. Put bedding, blankets, toys and what not in there to keep them happy. A couple good books to read are "Ferrets" by Dr. Wendy Winsted, TFH Publications and "Ferrets: A complete Owners Guide" by Chuck and Fox Morton, published by Barron's. Also,see the links at the end of this post for more information.
4. Ferrets are neither Nocturnal(awake at night) or Diurnal(awake during the day). They sleep 14-18 hours a day and, from personnal experience, they adjust to your schedule. PetSmart has a wonderfull section about ferrets here.
5. Anytime Humans attempt to control their environment disaster normally results. Prime example is here. New Zealand does have a ban on ferrets. The primary problem they had there was that there were no natural predators. But I digress.
This post could go on and on. The bottom line is do your research. Ferrets DO make wonderfull pets but as with any animal, preparations must be made and a certain amount of knoweledge must be gathered. Go to your favorite search engine and type in Ferret. If I have missed anything (probably alot) post it and let me know!
Ferrets Anonymous
The National Ferret Welfare Society
The American Ferret Association
Richard Bach (who owns ferrets), author of Jonathan Livingston Seagull, has written two books about Ferrets. Air Ferrets Aloft and Rescue Ferrets at Sea. Go here and type Ferrets in the search.
And yes, there is a Ferret Cam!
* Dr. Dolittle 2 referred to the ferret as a weasel. However it was a ferret. Weasels are much harder to train and have a nasty temper.
I own 6 Ferrets and they are an absolute blast. They sleep for 14 to 18 hours a day, are litter box trainable and do not gnaw on cables. They are intensely curious. Best analogy that I have read is that they are a cross of the best of a cat and dog. When they are awake they are like a 2-year old on very,very good caffine! :-) If you chose the right one they will bond with you and adjust their sleep cycle to your schedule. Females are about a half pound for the very smallest ones up to 2 pounds and the males can range from about 3 pounds to the largest one that I had seen and held that was 6 pounds. They are very loving and really love to play.
The tradition of calling for a Moment Of Silence at the death of Famous individuals and others, has been occuring for centuries. That means that if the one composer who died in 1992 could not have been alive to have covered all moments of silence. Heretofore let it be known that "Silence" is in the Public Domain.
:-P
So there!
It is a matter that any reasonable company can be expected to provide code for THEIR product that actually fixes the problem it was designed for and not open new holes.
:-)
Of course we are talking about Microsoft and I don't think that reasonable could be applied to their definition. Microsoft has become famous for sinking their heads in the sand when a major problem shows up or flat out denying it's existence. They take their sweet time releasing a "fix" to a problem that they were FORCED to recognize. Supposedly the time it took to release said "fix" was used to ensure that it worked and didn't break anything else. This is a falicy. The other item Microsoft has become (in)famous for is using the public as a giant beta test pool.
My big beef is not that Microsoft is a poor quality company, but, that it is a poor quality company that takes away my options/rights on a regular basis and then hides behind laws that were never thuroughly(?) thought out to begin with. No, you cannot turn off autoupd for XP. If you try the system breaks. I hope that I or someone else is able to find/create a hack that allows me to reclaim my rights. I am still looking.
I am learning Linux as fast as I possibly can. My ultimate plan is to switch over everything I can as soon as I can. As for games I will simply keep a windows box in a corner and not connected to the network for any games that I can't get to run with WINE. Sorry to have ranted. I will probably get modded to Troll.
Wearable computers, wrist PDAs... At this rate, if you get past airport security, you will need a master power switch to turn yourself off and on for take-off and landings! ;-)
I had always wondered about all the hard "facts" in science. Considering that most of science is based on educated guesses, it was only a matter of time before real hard facts started surfacing. Maybe this is the start of disproving Einstein's theory.
It makes you wonder how the FBI catch hackers but someone spying for someone else who is under their noses they don't seem to "notice". Makes you wonder if Carnivor would actually work. :-)
Normally I would agree with that. However, this IS the Federal Government we're talking about. They have proven their tendencies towards total control (or attempted control) many many times in the past. IMHO, not just "something" should be done. If we let our Gov't "Just do something" about it, then we give up more of our rights and freedoms.
"Every frame of their movies is handcrafted with tons of sweat and tears." I have to agree. I was getting tired of Disney and Fox Studios bringing out animations that seemed, for lack of a better word, artificial. Toy Story and Toy Story II contained some of the freshest animation and thought that I have seen in years. I am going to see The Emperors New Groove today and I hope it turns out to be as fresh. And Taco, Take a Valium big guy! The world is not out to get you. :-)
I have read alot of the replies to this story. I have seen reasonable arguments and those bordering on the inane. I have one question though... After all is said and done, where does it end?
This one is just a freak that needs to learn how to spell. Makes me wonder if hate crimes are up in his area.
I have had numerous people ask me "Is that really true?" or "Is that possible?!?". Sometimes I have to tell them that I simply don't know. "The Net" was total bull. Great action and suspense, but bull. I think it comes down to how to please the uneducated audience. I know there were times that watching a movie, that barely touched on a truth in the industry, made me go out and research more to find out if that was actually possible. I say take it as it comes and laugh at the rediculous parts! :-)