I'm not sure I buy your adjusting the rate of litigation growth by the rate of economic growth or widget growth - doesn't seem mathematically legit to subtract dollars or widgets from # of court cases. But maybe a graph comparing such things would be interesting.
I think a better analysis than this thread is here: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2768395&cid=39587513 From the limited data given it's not clear that we can assume continuous growth, nor a fixed rate, nor that the growth is primarily from trolls.
I don't think you and I would see eye to eye on their book "Limits to Growth", but damn, there's no denying the wisdom in your last sentence. Well put, brother.
Not really. In the context of trolling, the only labor was to file a patent application for something obvious, and the only thing funded by trolls is legal services.
That's a really good point - thanks for making it.
And if this rate of increase continues into the future, where it approximately doubles every ten years, in 2020 we'll be 400% higher than 1990 and in 2030 we'll be at 800% and by 2040 we'll be at 1600%...
As far as math goes, that's all fine. But behind those numbers we have to put resources, and resources come from meatspace, where there are physical limits to growth. In the finite world, continuous growth is just not sustainable. And even if it were, is this where we want to dedicate our resources?
When we are arrested we are by definition stripped of certain liberties, and privacy is the first to go. Unpleasant, but that's jail.
I think jail is the worst possible way to treat most anti-social behaviors, and I find our wholesale imprisonment of the population to be counterproductive beyond idiocy.
But regardless of whether particular suspects/convicts should be imprisoned, jailers always need to keep out contraband.
We are limited to our own experience, and lack the 3rd party omniscient viewpoint to know who knows that he knows. As if there were only one thing to know and only one way to know it.
A wise person doesn't just follow someone who sounds like he knows - that's what sheep do. And voters.
If your hope was to find a better future in the USA, you might reconsider your plans.
"Allegedly" it may be entrepeneur friendly; it's clearly friendlier than many, many other places. But if you want a business doing something useful, what you really want is freedom and the rule of law.
Once the USA was the clear choice for that, but those days are gone. Now this is a proud, paranoid, bi-polar, muscle-bound, obese, rudderless empire in denial and decline.
Excellent point. Problem is that it's damn hard to start a small business. Licenses, taxes, regulations make it really hard.
I'm not a right-wing supply sider - I'm a pretty liberal software engineer who tried to start a board and care home for the elderly with his RN wife, and got govsmacked into poverty for it. We could hardly keep up with how many regulatory agencies we had to report to, let alone know all their regs, and all the legislation they were nominally based on.
I went out of business six years ago, and the state is still after me for paperwork.
I'm cool with the government investigating and prosecuting crimes, but their regulations are often not really about protecting people. We got fined once for not having a chair in an unoccupied bedroom.
The regulatory compliance regime favors large corporations and under-the-table operations. Try doing something useful and playing by the rules and you're likely to lose your shirt.
In 1913, the Church adopted Scouting as part of the activity program for Aaronic Priesthood quorums. By providing opportunities for young men to put into practice the gospel lessons they learn in the home and at Church, Scouting programs have supported the priesthood. Under priesthood leadership, Scouting can complement the purposes of Aaronic Priesthood quorums and the Aaronic Priesthood Duty to God program in building testimonies in boys and young men. Scouting can help boys and young men love and serve the Savior and honor their parents.
Um, yes. I am an Asst. Scoutmaster, in a mormon troop. You are right that mormon units tend to associate with each other, and you are right that there can be differences in cultures, but the national BSA policies are exactly what the LDS church wants them to be.
> I HATE the Mormon church. I don't. I grew up in it, still belong to it I guess. It does good things. It does bad things. It's run by laypeople, many of whom are very sincere, many of whom are intelligent and reasonable, many of whom are genuinely Christ-like (turn-the-other-cheek as opposed to belligerent sanctimony).
But collectively it is a global corporation with hordes of lawyers, accountants, and a budget many nations could envy, and it has considerable political clout. They really have hijacked the BSA with their own politics.
AC, you shouldn't be ashamed for not tilting at windmills. We're all imperfect humans, some of us try to act with altruism. That the social routes available are imperfect shouldn't stop us from wielding them for good.
they will flow in the sea eventually even if we don't use it
Heaven forbid we let rivers reach the sea uninterrupted. What a terrible waste it would be to allow earth's natural systems to continue perpetuating existing habitats like wetlands and river delta systems, and natural cycles like seasonal flooding and re-fertilization, when we have a chance at making some good quarterly numbers by fracking a volcano.
Far be it from me to say there are no stupid users or students.
But isn't it possible, that given different teachers and apps, some students and users might be more successful?
Blaming the problem on the peons whilst ignoring the conditions we forced them into is a really trite meme. Let's try wearing their shoes before dissing their limp.
It's not just about "sovereign immunity", to me it raises questions of.jurisdiction. From your wikipedia link:
Not to be confused with the principle of public international law that the government of a state is normally not amenable before the courts of another state
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> He learned something when he took office.
> Something scary
What scary thing could he possibly have learned?
That there were dangerous terrorists loose? That they've obtained the Red Substance or the All-Spark or the Ark of the Covenant?
Thanks for the correction on doubling time.
I'm not sure I buy your adjusting the rate of litigation growth by the rate of economic growth or widget growth - doesn't seem mathematically legit to subtract dollars or widgets from # of court cases. But maybe a graph comparing such things would be interesting.
I think a better analysis than this thread is here: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2768395&cid=39587513
From the limited data given it's not clear that we can assume continuous growth, nor a fixed rate, nor that the growth is primarily from trolls.
I don't think you and I would see eye to eye on their book "Limits to Growth", but damn, there's no denying the wisdom in your last sentence. Well put, brother.
Not really. In the context of trolling, the only labor was to file a patent application for something obvious, and the only thing funded by trolls is legal services.
That's a really good point - thanks for making it.
And if this rate of increase continues into the future, where it approximately doubles every ten years, in 2020 we'll be 400% higher than 1990 and in 2030 we'll be at 800% and by 2040 we'll be at 1600% ...
As far as math goes, that's all fine. But behind those numbers we have to put resources, and resources come from meatspace, where there are physical limits to growth. In the finite world, continuous growth is just not sustainable. And even if it were, is this where we want to dedicate our resources?
I think this is what it looks like when the system values bureaucracy over results. Viva la Kafka!
Send lawyers, guns, and money.
Although industry best practices avoid the gunplay part, leaving that to surrogate enforcement agencies.
When we are arrested we are by definition stripped of certain liberties, and privacy is the first to go. Unpleasant, but that's jail.
I think jail is the worst possible way to treat most anti-social behaviors, and I find our wholesale imprisonment of the population to be counterproductive beyond idiocy.
But regardless of whether particular suspects/convicts should be imprisoned, jailers always need to keep out contraband.
The most popular method is to marry someone of your own gender in Maryland, then get a divorce in Texas.
But my preferred method is a phone booth time machine ride with historic babes.
Banal and useless proverb.
We are limited to our own experience, and lack the 3rd party omniscient viewpoint to know who knows that he knows. As if there were only one thing to know and only one way to know it.
A wise person doesn't just follow someone who sounds like he knows - that's what sheep do. And voters.
I don't know about all those executive posts, but the country does have owners. You and I are not among them.
If your hope was to find a better future in the USA, you might reconsider your plans.
"Allegedly" it may be entrepeneur friendly; it's clearly friendlier than many, many other places. But if you want a business doing something useful, what you really want is freedom and the rule of law.
Once the USA was the clear choice for that, but those days are gone. Now this is a proud, paranoid, bi-polar, muscle-bound, obese, rudderless empire in denial and decline.
I recommend watching from a distance.
Excellent point. Problem is that it's damn hard to start a small business. Licenses, taxes, regulations make it really hard.
I'm not a right-wing supply sider - I'm a pretty liberal software engineer who tried to start a board and care home for the elderly with his RN wife, and got govsmacked into poverty for it. We could hardly keep up with how many regulatory agencies we had to report to, let alone know all their regs, and all the legislation they were nominally based on.
I went out of business six years ago, and the state is still after me for paperwork.
I'm cool with the government investigating and prosecuting crimes, but their regulations are often not really about protecting people. We got fined once for not having a chair in an unoccupied bedroom.
The regulatory compliance regime favors large corporations and under-the-table operations. Try doing something useful and playing by the rules and you're likely to lose your shirt.
slow it to an Earthly orbit and make use of it as a habitat or some other purpose,
How about we anchor our space elevator to it? We've got 28 years to adjust it's flight path.
There is no hidden conspiracy about it, the LDS church is very open that Scouting is the activity arm of the male youth program.
http://www.lds.org/pa/display/0,17884,5166-1,00.html
In 1913, the Church adopted Scouting as part of the activity program for Aaronic Priesthood quorums. By providing opportunities for young men to put into practice the gospel lessons they learn in the home and at Church, Scouting programs have supported the priesthood. Under priesthood leadership, Scouting can complement the purposes of Aaronic Priesthood quorums and the Aaronic Priesthood Duty to God program in building testimonies in boys and young men. Scouting can help boys and young men love and serve the Savior and honor their parents.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies
The LDS Church is the largest single sponsor of Scouting units with over 30,000 units nationwide, which comprise about 13% of BSA's youth members.
Um, yes. I am an Asst. Scoutmaster, in a mormon troop. You are right that mormon units tend to associate with each other, and you are right that there can be differences in cultures, but the national BSA policies are exactly what the LDS church wants them to be.
> I HATE the Mormon church.
I don't. I grew up in it, still belong to it I guess. It does good things. It does bad things. It's run by laypeople, many of whom are very sincere, many of whom are intelligent and reasonable, many of whom are genuinely Christ-like (turn-the-other-cheek as opposed to belligerent sanctimony).
But collectively it is a global corporation with hordes of lawyers, accountants, and a budget many nations could envy, and it has considerable political clout. They really have hijacked the BSA with their own politics.
AC, you shouldn't be ashamed for not tilting at windmills. We're all imperfect humans, some of us try to act with altruism. That the social routes available are imperfect shouldn't stop us from wielding them for good.
The Girl Scouts have nothing to do with each other and entirely different philosophies.
The Boy Scouts are basically structured to be the youth program for the mormon church.
The Girl Scouts are far more warm, friendly, and liberal.
That's a syntax error - data type mismatch
0 is a number, infinity is an idea.
No, I'd say we'd have an infinite number of zeros.
We're borrowing money to make our hammer payments. That's not "backing," it's recursion.
they will flow in the sea eventually even if we don't use it
Heaven forbid we let rivers reach the sea uninterrupted. What a terrible waste it would be to allow earth's natural systems to continue perpetuating existing habitats like wetlands and river delta systems, and natural cycles like seasonal flooding and re-fertilization, when we have a chance at making some good quarterly numbers by fracking a volcano.
> the students. They're worse than users.
Far be it from me to say there are no stupid users or students.
But isn't it possible, that given different teachers and apps, some students and users might be more successful?
Blaming the problem on the peons whilst ignoring the conditions we forced them into is a really trite meme. Let's try wearing their shoes before dissing their limp.
It's not just about "sovereign immunity", to me it raises questions of .jurisdiction. From your wikipedia link:
Not to be confused with the principle of public international law that the government of a state is normally not amenable before the courts of another state
>> what is the MAFIAA going get?
Why, the Irish people, of course.
Suing customers costs money. The Irish cost nothing.