podo asks: "I've spent the past two months... MySQL based web site for a client.
How have you dealt with such clients who fail to see the difference between a shoddy rush job and real quality?"
You're using MySQL and you think you're developing something with 'real quality' ? How do you have a quality database without foreign keys and triggers?
I agree that it's wonderful to have devices work easily. The way I've achieved this historically, has been to have a current kernel. Most Distros add all the usefull drivers into their release of the kernel.
I know that people are afraid of it, but compiling the kernel isn't that big a deal ( especially if you don't mess with the config and just include everything ).
On the other hand, as someone who has to deal with supporting end users, I like the idea that people will be forced to learn wtf they're doing before they're able to do it.
Most of the 'stupid' users out there are simply lazy, and feel that if they whine long enough the computer will do for them.
I've got a scanner which is 5 years old, and still perfectly good. UMAX isn't interested in writing drivers for it anymore, so the only OSs I can use it with are:
Mac OS 8 Windows 98 Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD
Free/Oss software emerges as a great way to avoid the planned obsolescence generated by the windows 2 year update cycle.
>Because of the seize event, the frame now spins with the wheel.
um... yeah. except that the weel weighs almost nothing (it's a big tire with a gear bolted onto it. the heavy part is suspended in the middle, and consists of several counterweights, etc.
thus, the inertia of the weel is almost nothing compared to the intertia of the non-rotating bits, and isn't going to flip you over, any more than your car filps over during a front stop.
moron.
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yeah - that's it. what we need is water-proof adhesive to stick 2 pieces of paper together. cause it's not like paper is water soluable or anything...
>I assume this has been thought of already, >but I can't figure out how to prevent >that kind of danger.
1. design the system to run from a cd ( knoppix ?). 2. have the bios checksum the cd during boot, display te result on the screen 3. the poll-workers verify that the check-sum is correct 4. profit!
>Wouldn't it be very easy for someone to patch >the software in a bad way and recompile it >before installation?
yeah, because of course no one's worked out a way to tell that a binary is the one you think it is <cough>checksum<cough>, since this whole open source thing is so new that no one's ever installed it in a security critical place before <cough>nsa<cough>.
you're right, we should run out and install windows right away, since we can trust billg to tell us that our systems are safe.
>Only then is the app dumped onto the larger >network. I think all developers should do some >real-life system adminstration, and system >administrators should do some development.
This sounds great, but in my experience, management is so focused on their deadlines that developers have to spend 12+ days developing and never get to learn anything outside their specialty.
* don't let your work email get onto the internet unless you're ready for lots of porn spam
yeah, cause email is just so damned useful without the internet. reading the output of cron all day keeps me so interested.
come on, guys - internet != web. if you mean web, say web.
This may sound like a stupid troll, but how many of your relatives call their computer "hard drive" ?. We can only educate ignorant people if we show them they sound ignorant.
>Apple Powerbook doesn't burn your jewels. the only reason you could say that my wife's tibook doesn't burn your jewels is that it's so damn not that you'd be nuts to put it on your lap
>We Will Crush You... >Waiting for the inevitable joke comparing Bill Gates to >Khrushchev...
who actually said "my was pokhoronim", which means "we will bury you". Which was not a threat. It's better translated as somthing like "we will dance on your grave" - he was saying that the soviet system was so superior that it would outlast the american one, and thus the USSR would be presant at the funeral of american capitalism, and help bury it.
Re:My experiences with Gentoo
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> How long would you have to use that box, untouched > without upgrading anything, to get those 2 days back?
it's a preference thing. Since the compilation (generally) just finishes it's self in the background (and if it doesn't, it's generally my fault for using insanely aggressive compilation flags) you don't really use that time - just start emerge kde before you go to bed - when you get back from work it'll prolly be done.
also - you shoudn't underestimate some of the optomizations, such as -fpmath=sse - which uses sse for all the floating point math on the system, instead of the ancient, slow, x387 instructions. with my opmizations, I laugh at people who call kde slow
Well, Debian is great for servers
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I run gentoo on servers as well, both at home (for fun) and at work (so I'd get fired if they hung). Two things mitigate the slow compiles: the ability to save tar.gz'd versions of the optimized compile, so that I only have to compile a given package once and then deploy it onto the other machines, and distcc - so that all the machines help with the compilation.
distcc is particularly cool - I love compiling kde on my laptop with help from my 4 dell 2650s:)
I have a pattent pending on the use of "rotation" of a list of elements to enact encryption "rot-n encryption" and I find you to be in violation of that patent. Please make a check payable to me for $1,000,000 at your earliest convenience
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podo asks: "I've spent the past two months ... MySQL based web site for a client.
How have you dealt with such clients who fail to see the difference between a shoddy rush job and real quality?"
You're using MySQL and you think you're developing something with 'real quality' ? How do you have a quality database without foreign keys and triggers?
I agree that it's wonderful to have devices work easily. The way I've achieved this historically, has been to have a current kernel. Most Distros add all the usefull drivers into their release of the kernel.
I know that people are afraid of it, but compiling the kernel isn't that big a deal ( especially if you don't mess with the config and just include everything ).
On the other hand, as someone who has to deal with supporting end users, I like the idea that people will be forced to learn wtf they're doing before they're able to do it.
Most of the 'stupid' users out there are simply lazy, and feel that if they whine long enough the computer will do for them.
I've got a scanner which is 5 years old, and still perfectly good. UMAX isn't interested in writing drivers for it anymore, so the only OSs I can use it with are:
Mac OS 8
Windows 98
Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD
Free/Oss software emerges as a great way to avoid the planned obsolescence generated by the windows 2 year update cycle.
>Or maybe use HTML so its plaftorm neutral. Now that would be neat.
um.... why would you write an html wrapper around a cli wrapper of a web site? why not just go to the web site? or did you not follow the link...
>Because of the seize event, the frame now
spins with the wheel.
um... yeah. except that the weel weighs almost nothing (it's a big tire with a gear bolted onto it. the heavy part is suspended in the middle, and consists of several counterweights, etc.
thus, the inertia of the weel is almost nothing compared to the intertia of the non-rotating bits, and isn't going to flip you over, any more than your car filps over during a front stop.
moron.
yeah - that's it. what we need is water-proof adhesive to stick 2 pieces of paper together. cause it's not like paper is water soluable or anything...
>I assume this has been thought of already,
>but I can't figure out how to prevent
>that kind of danger.
1. design the system to run from a cd ( knoppix ?).
2. have the bios checksum the cd during boot, display te result on the screen
3. the poll-workers verify that the check-sum is correct
4. profit!
>Wouldn't it be very easy for someone to patch
>the software in a bad way and recompile it
>before installation?
yeah, because of course no one's worked out a way to tell that a binary is the one you think it is <cough>checksum<cough>, since this whole open source thing is so new that no one's ever installed it in a security critical place before <cough>nsa<cough>.
you're right, we should run out and install windows right away, since we can trust billg to tell us that our systems are safe.
I'd be a debian user, also, except for gentoo(www.gentoo.org). All the advantages of FreeBSD, without having to wait for them to finish 5.0
>You might want to take a gander at FreeBSD 5's
>RCng (also available in NetBSD, and possibly
>OpenBSD).
Actually, this is a netbsd invention. It's also implemented in Gentoo, albeit as a hack on top of the standard init.
works pretty good, imho.
hm... I assume they have battery powered devices for that purpose?
>It's not just a crazy idea that some lefty
>Commie hippie dreamed up in a drug-induced stupor.
So, Linus... why don't you tell us what you really think of RMS?
>Only then is the app dumped onto the larger
>network. I think all developers should do some
>real-life system adminstration, and system
>administrators should do some development.
This sounds great, but in my experience, management is so focused on their deadlines that developers have to spend 12+ days developing and never get to learn anything outside their specialty.
6) wait for it...
7) profit!
* don't let your work email get onto the internet unless you're ready for lots of porn spam
yeah, cause email is just so damned useful without the internet. reading the output of cron all day keeps me so interested.
come on, guys - internet != web. if you mean web, say web.
This may sound like a stupid troll, but how many of your relatives call their computer "hard drive" ?. We can only educate ignorant people if we show them they sound ignorant.
>Apple Powerbook doesn't burn your jewels.
the only reason you could say that my wife's tibook doesn't burn your jewels is that it's so damn not that you'd be nuts to put it on your lap
but is this a slow news day or something? portupgrade is at least 2 years old... It kicks ass, but it's hardly news (or, imho, as good as portage)
perhaps we should spell it as the french do?
>We Will Crush You...
>Waiting for the inevitable joke comparing Bill Gates to
>Khrushchev...
who actually said "my was pokhoronim", which means "we will bury you". Which was not a threat. It's better translated as somthing like "we will dance on your grave" - he was saying that the soviet system was so superior that it would outlast the american one, and thus the USSR would be presant at the funeral of american capitalism, and help bury it.
> How long would you have to use that box, untouched
> without upgrading anything, to get those 2 days back?
it's a preference thing. Since the compilation (generally) just finishes it's self in the background (and if it doesn't, it's generally my fault for using insanely aggressive compilation flags) you don't really use that time - just start emerge kde before you go to bed - when you get back from work it'll prolly be done.
also - you shoudn't underestimate some of the optomizations, such as -fpmath=sse - which uses sse for all the floating point math on the system, instead of the ancient, slow, x387 instructions. with my opmizations, I laugh at people who call kde slow
I run gentoo on servers as well, both at home (for fun) and at work (so I'd get fired if they hung). Two things mitigate the slow compiles: the ability to save tar.gz'd versions of the optimized compile, so that I only have to compile a given package once and then deploy it onto the other machines, and distcc - so that all the machines help with the compilation.
:)
distcc is particularly cool - I love compiling kde on my laptop with help from my 4 dell 2650s
>Any TRUE disciple knows you need to ROT13 first.
I have a pattent pending on the use of "rotation" of a list of elements to enact encryption "rot-n encryption" and I find you to be in violation of that patent. Please make a check payable to me for $1,000,000 at your earliest convenience
didn't nintendo use these, like, 15 years ago?
heh :) way to hide your os - disguise your ftp banner, and then post the true OS on a website that no h4x0r ever reads
I run serial port consoles on all my *nix machines. all i need in order to administer them is a laptop with a serial port and minicom.