"You never know what they can come up with in ten years, so I will bank on what they have now."
I am telling you that if they can't do it with a somatic cell, then they can't do it with an umbilical one either. When they will, then there won't be a problem if the cell isn't umbilical...
I agree with you, that it is quite possible, that it will last a bit longer as I predicted...
"Even though our cells divide trillions and trillions of times they get 'old'."
They get old, but I think you are oversimplificating ageing. Some cells divide on a daily basis and some stay as they are for ages... so there is something in the program of the cell, that makes it not to thrive for more... brecause some can divide and divide and divide...
"Isn't the trick to get the cell (whether by reprogramming, cleansing, or replacement) 'healthly' again?"...
I agree with you, but the Umbilical cells aren't any more capable of that (reprograming, cleansing or replacement)... they are only slightly less differentiated (Runlevel 3 / Somatic cells - Runlevel 7).... and then again... what is younger really in cell terms ?
Somatic cells are all the "normal" - already adult - cells... you can pick a cell you want (OK, maybe not the ones that are to specialised and totally changed for that) and program it, so it behaves as you like. You could theoretically "down-program" all the cells you want... reset to the origin, where the cell was first programmed to do what it does as an adult (somatic) cell. It should be something like "cold reboot". And after the reboot, insert "Live CD" with you favorite Linux distro... and it runs Fedora or Ubuntu or Liver cell program... as you wish...
We don't know how to do it yet, but we are trying to do that....
"But to say there is no real use is saying too much."
I wrote: "although they aren't totally useless"
I also wrote, they will be really useful when we will be able to program them, and then we will no longer need Umbilical cord cells, because we will be able to use somatic cells and program them..... by the way... "Forgot the name, but there is a few years old tv-documentary about all this."... this is a fantastic citation of a reliable source, congratulation...
"I suspect that those "reprogramed" cells will not be as valuable as my natural fresh from conception ones."
This is the place, where you are wrong. In most cases the Umbilical cells will also have to be programmed if we want to use them at all. So... if we know how to do it, then we can also do it with somatic cells... to program them to be what we want... also convert them into Umbilical cells if wish so...
So we would have national blood cells banks for treating blood marrow cancers. It it easy and cheap way to collect the cells...
You can the use it in two ways:
1. for avto-transplantation in case the person who donated the cells gets leukaemia
2. for blood donor transplantation, when someone who is close match to the donor gets leukemia.
In my opinion, this wouldn't cost much... and we are already doing this in some European countries, although we are collecting cells from volunteering adults in a more expensive way.
In Slovenia, you can also put it in the cell bank, if you want, but you must do it on your own. It will be regulated soon, so it will be easier to do it... I think it can be used for blood marrow transplantation...
This is true, but Umbilical Cord cells aren't magical weapon for curing all diseases. There are not so many real uses for them today. They are promising, but not really curing the diseases.
The trick is in reprogramming. Those cells can reprogram to any cell in the body and theoretically replace any falling organ, but it is not sure if they will. Most of the time, they don't.
When we will be able to reprogram them (for example) to become insulin islet cells, then we have won the battle. We will cure diabetes. But when we will know how to reprogram them, then we will not need Umbilical cells, that aren't of much use today (although they aren't totally useless). We could easily use somatic cells (mature cells in the body) and program them to behave as we want... some nice progress is being made on that field today...
I wasn't posting an original insult. And my karma is still as it should be - positive.
I am not insulting anyone, so I am not breaking the rulez. I am just talking about my rights to be offended....
It is an interesting question. We all think, human rights should be focused on good things. But I think that idea of human rights is sometimes misused. Humans need some level of violence in their environment to operate normally. Human beings have developed in an environment of extreme violence. In our society, where we are trying to protect our rights by removing violence, we are sometimes doing more harm then good. Even if we are claiming that we are trying to achieve the opposite, we are creating harm on the other end.
My Karma should be burned for being offtopic, that's true... but your karma will also burn for that reason...
If he doesn't have the right to express his offensive thoughts, then I won't get my rights fulfilled. Even setting the level as you suggested won't help...
And it will take years before US have the systems in place to be able to do anything about illegal export to China and other poor lands in Africa...
It's only the mater of desperation of people living in those countries, rather the matter of control. When US goes bankrupt, they will do the same... US is not in the position that it would need such small money right now... they are pushing waste to the other side of the world... let other collect the change... for now...
Don't forget that you are talking with a Fedora veteran.... in those ol' days, when we were runnin' Core 1... it was cold, -30 degrees Celsius, and muddy... but we survived...
Today, when mouses don't move so fast as they should, we know tomorrow they will fly like space rockets in the sky... Especially because this is day 0 of a new release, this is normal stuff with Fedora. First releases are in raw shape, but also very crispy. Those faint hearted should wait a weak or so.
I am writing this post with Fedora 10 on my ol' computer and everything works excellent... I love Ekiga 3.0 and the new codecs support it has...
I also tried the USB installation... this is something fantastic... fast... the best installation I had in years...
Happy anniversary Fedora !!
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I am using Fedora from the first version on...
I have a server, that still runs Fedora core 1:
[messner@Server messner]$ cat/etc/*-release Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) [messner@Server messner]$ date Tue Nov 25 18:16:34 CET 2008
I will shut it down this month.... now it can go to rest....
Sometimes Fedora wasn't so polished as it should be, the first versions were very problematic, documentation and community were scarce... sometimes it was hardly usable for me, because I am not an expert.
But it got better and better with each release. Number 9 was excellent, first class... I think number 7 was the first one, that really rocked, but No. 9 rocks...
I am downloading number 10 now. I know it will be good. It is getting better and better with each release.
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"You never know what they can come up with in ten years, so I will bank on what they have now."
I am telling you that if they can't do it with a somatic cell, then they can't do it with an umbilical one either. When they will, then there won't be a problem if the cell isn't umbilical ...
I agree with you, that it is quite possible, that it will last a bit longer as I predicted ...
"Even though our cells divide trillions and trillions of times they get 'old'."
They get old, but I think you are oversimplificating ageing. Some cells divide on a daily basis and some stay as they are for ages ... so there is something in the program of the cell, that makes it not to thrive for more ... brecause some can divide and divide and divide ...
I think we have to do something like that:
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1106541&cid=26637553
"Isn't the trick to get the cell (whether by reprogramming, cleansing, or replacement) 'healthly' again?" ...
I agree with you, but the Umbilical cells aren't any more capable of that (reprograming, cleansing or replacement) ... they are only slightly less differentiated (Runlevel 3 / Somatic cells - Runlevel 7) .... and then again ... what is younger really in cell terms ?
"I'm curious where you get somatic cells" ...
Somatic cells are all the "normal" - already adult - cells ... you can pick a cell you want (OK, maybe not the ones that are to specialised and totally changed for that) and program it, so it behaves as you like. You could theoretically "down-program" all the cells you want ... reset to the origin, where the cell was first programmed to do what it does as an adult (somatic) cell. It should be something like "cold reboot". And after the reboot, insert "Live CD" with you favorite Linux distro ... and it runs Fedora or Ubuntu or Liver cell program ... as you wish ...
We don't know how to do it yet, but we are trying to do that ....
"But to say there is no real use is saying too much."
I wrote: "although they aren't totally useless"
I also wrote, they will be really useful when we will be able to program them, and then we will no longer need Umbilical cord cells, because we will be able to use somatic cells and program them ... .. by the way ... "Forgot the name, but there is a few years old tv-documentary about all this." ... this is a fantastic citation of a reliable source, congratulation ...
You shouldn't forget about these:
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1106541&cid=26636605
THey are a must !
"I suspect that those "reprogramed" cells will not be as valuable as my natural fresh from conception ones."
This is the place, where you are wrong. In most cases the Umbilical cells will also have to be programmed if we want to use them at all. So ... if we know how to do it, then we can also do it with somatic cells ... to program them to be what we want ... also convert them into Umbilical cells if wish so ...
http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1106541&cid=26636577
So we would have national blood cells banks for treating blood marrow cancers. It it easy and cheap way to collect the cells ...
You can the use it in two ways:
1. for avto-transplantation in case the person who donated the cells gets leukaemia
2. for blood donor transplantation, when someone who is close match to the donor gets leukemia.
In my opinion, this wouldn't cost much ... and we are already doing this in some European countries, although we are collecting cells from volunteering adults in a more expensive way.
In Slovenia, you can also put it in the cell bank, if you want, but you must do it on your own. It will be regulated soon, so it will be easier to do it ... I think it can be used for blood marrow transplantation ...
Then he can also invest in these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Y1nwbNMLU&feature=related
I think, they are much cheaper and who knows, maybe they are also more effective ...
And for Lecithin ... I wish everything will work out right with your newbie ...
This is true, but Umbilical Cord cells aren't magical weapon for curing all diseases. There are not so many real uses for them today. They are promising, but not really curing the diseases.
The trick is in reprogramming. Those cells can reprogram to any cell in the body and theoretically replace any falling organ, but it is not sure if they will. Most of the time, they don't.
When we will be able to reprogram them (for example) to become insulin islet cells, then we have won the battle. We will cure diabetes. But when we will know how to reprogram them, then we will not need Umbilical cells, that aren't of much use today (although they aren't totally useless). We could easily use somatic cells (mature cells in the body) and program them to behave as we want ... some nice progress is being made on that field today ...
"For me, it is quite worth the investment."
Not yet. It didn't pay off for you yet and it is a question if it will ? Those aren't magical cells ...
In ten years, this thing will be useless, because we will be able to reprogram somatic cells to do all the work.
I agree ... Dung should be awailable as an offical mod option ...
Lets vote for this option.
I wasn't posting an original insult. And my karma is still as it should be - positive.
I am not insulting anyone, so I am not breaking the rulez. I am just talking about my rights to be offended ....
It is an interesting question. We all think, human rights should be focused on good things. But I think that idea of human rights is sometimes misused. Humans need some level of violence in their environment to operate normally. Human beings have developed in an environment of extreme violence. In our society, where we are trying to protect our rights by removing violence, we are sometimes doing more harm then good. Even if we are claiming that we are trying to achieve the opposite, we are creating harm on the other end.
My Karma should be burned for being offtopic, that's true ... but your karma will also burn for that reason ...
"The option is yours, why hadn't you noticed?"
It isn't !!! That's why I am complaining.
If he doesn't have the right to express his offensive thoughts, then I won't get my rights fulfilled. Even setting the level as you suggested won't help ...
That is true ... but what about my right to be offended ?
Don't I have rights too ?
KDE 4 on Fedora is getting better and better ...
It's a big step, but I think they are making great progress ...
I am using KDE 4.1.4 on Fedora 10. I love it ... It's fast, there are some bugs, but not so many ...
I am really looking into KDE 4.2. I like Amarok, Dolphin .... and I just love Garfield desklets ...
KDE is doing great work ...
And it will take years before US have the systems in place to be able to do anything about illegal export to China and other poor lands in Africa ...
It's only the mater of desperation of people living in those countries, rather the matter of control. When US goes bankrupt, they will do the same ... US is not in the position that it would need such small money right now ... they are pushing waste to the other side of the world ... let other collect the change ... for now ...
I just hope my brain will not end like this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QzqmUTTjhgY/RoLDOb8CSWI/AAAAAAAAAiU/MYyX63ACIzM/s1600-h/abbynormal.jpg
I really liked the cat assistant ...
I loved it, going through my screen, doing funny things ... I couldn't resist clicking on animate now and then ... It was always on on my workbench.
I want my Clippy-cat back !!!
"You have been running an unsupported distribution since 2006-07-27?"
As a public web server ... with a lot of traffic ..
It is behind a firewall though, living in demilitarised zone of a network.
It is still alive today, but I won't reveal the IP ;)
Don't forget that you are talking with a Fedora veteran .... in those ol' days, when we were runnin' Core 1 ... it was cold, -30 degrees Celsius, and muddy ... but we survived ...
Today, when mouses don't move so fast as they should, we know tomorrow they will fly like space rockets in the sky ... Especially because this is day 0 of a new release, this is normal stuff with Fedora. First releases are in raw shape, but also very crispy. Those faint hearted should wait a weak or so.
I am writing this post with Fedora 10 on my ol' computer and everything works excellent ... I love Ekiga 3.0 and the new codecs support it has ...
I also tried the USB installation ... this is something fantastic ... fast ... the best installation I had in years ...
I am using Fedora from the first version on ...
I have a server, that still runs Fedora core 1:
[messner@Server messner]$ cat /etc/*-release
Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow)
Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow)
[messner@Server messner]$ date
Tue Nov 25 18:16:34 CET 2008
I will shut it down this month .... now it can go to rest ....
Sometimes Fedora wasn't so polished as it should be, the first versions were very problematic, documentation and community were scarce ... sometimes it was hardly usable for me, because I am not an expert.
But it got better and better with each release. Number 9 was excellent, first class ... I think number 7 was the first one, that really rocked, but No. 9 rocks ...
I am downloading number 10 now. I know it will be good. It is getting better and better with each release.
http://sharpbrains.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/cbs-newstime-series-on-brain-neuroplasticity-and-memory-exercises/
Exercise is one of the most important stuff for neuroplasticity !