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The Secret Origins of Microsoft Office's Clippy

Harry writes "Most folks think that Microsoft Office's Clippy, Microsoft Bob, and Windows XP's Search Assistant dog were perverse jokes — but a dozen years' worth of patent filings shows that Microsoft took the concept of animated software 'helpers' really, really seriously, even long after everyone else realized it was a bad idea. And the drawings those patents contain are weirdly fascinating." The article, a slide show really, spreads over 15 pages.

263 comments

  1. Re:The Weirding Way by Assmasher · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...The Aristocrats... Ba-dum-dum...

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  2. WAT by mfh · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who cares where Clippy is from. I just want it to die.

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    1. Re:WAT by 4D6963 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Windows RG will do it for you.

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    2. Re:WAT by slugtastic · · Score: 1

      I did not like it. Can I buy a copy?

    3. Re:WAT by GFree678 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Clippy IS dead. It's been abandoned in all recent MS products, it's only Slashdot that seems to have trouble understanding this.

    4. Re:WAT by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Funny you should say that, because when XP came out one of my more popular services was putting that damned search puppy to sleep. Folks would come in "I hate that damned search dog! Can you kill that stupid thing?" and I'd tell them that as part of my clean up and lock down package I'd happily put that dog to sleep. To this day I still get that request a few times a year.

      Of course now I get more "I hate this damned Vista! Can you get rid of it and put on XP?" so you really have to give MSFT credit. They went from just having the search hated to having the whole OS despised! Now THAT is progress!

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    5. Re:WAT by grimJester · · Score: 1

      If we can figure out its point of origin, it can be contained or, if deemed appropriate, destroyed.

    6. Re:WAT by Z00L00K · · Score: 0, Troll

      ESPECIALLY the first version of the clip (or it's cousin) that ever originated and did completely lock the UI when you started word until you killed it.

      First time that happened I expected to be able to type right away and thought that Word/Windows just had one of it's usual bombings and therefore a reboot, cleaning of temp directory and checkdisk was done.

      When I tried again it was still stuck - and then I discovered this (censored expression) clip that was there asking me about if I was going to make a suicide letter or whatever...

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    7. Re:WAT by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who cares where Clippy is from. I just want it to die.

      No, you have to learn about where it came from, so you can nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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    8. Re:WAT by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with these assistance.

      1. Unprofessional. When you are at work. you don't want a cartoon floating around.
      2. Based on Statistics. Meaning you are rarely correct, but on the average close. Creating a situation where it is less helpful over all as the work done normally can't be close. It has to correct. So the assistant want to do things kinda like you are doing but in a way that it is wrong.
      3. Always in your way. When we work We don't like having things on top of our work.
      4. Animation distracts us. Good UI for animation is to put our attention towards something the programmer want you to take notice of. Eg. Element who gets focus, an alert or warning, or something new. But these guys are always moving even when you are doing what you need to do and its overall state hasn't changed, which distracts you from your work.
      5. They keep coming back. You close them... They come back again.
      6. Arrogant. They assume they are smarter then you. Even if you know what you are doing. "I am not writing a List Damnit! I am filling in data sets in a Top Down order because it is easier that way. "
      7. Never tell the disadvantages. The never tell you what the trade off are using that feature. Once you go into list mode you cannot perform calculation on it.
      8. Make the computer seem more personal. Yea that is the point but really a computer is a machine and it really should be considered as such. If you get emotionally attached to it. You start to feel bad about using it. Or when problems come up you blame it other then the people your yourself you causes the problems.
       

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    9. Re:WAT by Vectronic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I find that kind of sad, he was useless, but it was nice to know he was there... just for the odd chuckle when bored.

      He's gotta be there somewhere, some obscure keystroke like Ctrl+Alt+Del twice or something.

    10. Re:WAT by TheLink · · Score: 1

      My memory may be off, but I recall reading that originally the decision for clippy to pop up was to be bayesian as well (not just the "figuring out what you were doing" bit).

      But apparently it didn't pop up enough for some people in Microsoft, so they made it pop up more often...

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    11. Re:WAT by socsoc · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Who can afford recent MS products, especially with this economy? Word 2k still works fine for me...

    12. Re:WAT by LandDolphin · · Score: 4, Informative

      What are their complaints from XP to Vista? Hearing all of the bad press about Vista, I was not excited to "upgrade" when I purchased a new Laptop. However, having use it for a few months now, I have not come accross any real problems with it. It was a little different then was I was used to, but everything works.

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    13. Re:WAT by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      It came from Microsoft. Duh. Now nuke it already.

    14. Re:WAT by jdoverholt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Quit your rational thinking! Get out!

    15. Re:WAT by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Funny

      But knowing from whence it came, can we finally kill the beast! There may be clues in its origin that will help us. Right now all we know is garlic, sunlight, silver, and other traditional means have not been effective. Explosives work but have the side effect of destroying the computer. :P

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    16. Re:WAT by Stargoat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I dunno. I found that a good minority of my users actually liked the Microsoft Assistant. They would watch it and its little antics amused them. All were ladies around 40 years of age or older. Heck, I had an accountant go off on me because I turned off her Microsoft Assistant.

      Based on the response I saw, I think Microsoft was on to something, but it was never executed properly. There were two problems. First, IT people got in the way. Second, the platform and the application idea for end use was all wrong.

      it was not a product for a productive business environment. The people who maintain and train on the products are advanced users, and for them, the Microsoft Assistant was not useful.

      But more to the point, I do not believe Microsoft ever really understood what makes a computer efficient. The best "computers" for specific application use are dumb terminals using basic ASCII characters. The Microsoft Assistant is just the opposite of this. If the computer is to be used for a purpose, the Microsoft Assistant gets in the way. If the computer is an unknown machine to a person, having a face on it is useful.

      But, people do not put smiley faces and instructions on hammers. Perhaps there was no way a Microsoft Assistant or a Microsoft Bob could be executed properly. A tool is a tool.

      Still, the idea of my grandparents filing away a form in an animated desk has appeal. If the product were arranged in such a manner that it could be marketed, as part of a separate non-computer, it could work. If a way existed to integrate a browser with digital television and a more intelligent Microsoft Assistant and the product were marketed to the proper audience, maybe it still could pan out. But we are not there yet. Broadband connections still require passwords and modems/routers. The idea does hold promise. A non-computer with a built in broadband router and no need for passwords. Weâ(TM)re surprisingly close it seems sometimes. If it had a wireless keyboard and mouse or roller without the pain of Bluetooth MAC addresses and crap like that. And a television interface no more complicated than a single HDMI plug. Itâ(TM)s not for anyone who would ever even think of being on Slashdot, and maybe it couldnâ(TM)t work if a computer can only really be a tool and not a way of life, but it does seem plausible.

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    17. Re:WAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The real question is, "What does Vista do better?"

      Other than a different GUI which you may, or may not, find more appealing, the differences between Vista and XP are minor or crippled in some way. Slower performance on the same hardware with little or no gain to the MAJORITY of customers is what has given Vista a bad reputation. I am sure you can list several new features that Vista has but can you name 2 that the average user knows about and would use?

    18. Re:WAT by camperdave · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Clippy" itself might be dead, but that doesn't mean that all of the cute, animated assistants have been exorcised from windows. There's still Rover, Dot, F1, Links the cat, Merlin, courtney, Earl, and a handful of others that still exist.

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    19. Re:WAT by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      Thank you for posting this; I would have bought up many of the same points had you not done so already.

      My first thoughts upon seeing Clippy were "That's cute, a talking paper clip. Now how do I get rid of it? Just throw it the trash can right?" Well, no. Not that easy. I suddenly went from mildly amused to being annoyed. Of course it's not that easy. The cutesy animations are just that - a fancy UI, a thin veneer, with little underlying substance.

    20. Re:WAT by rilister · · Score: 2, Informative

      It did, but I decided to go look for it in Word 2007 and found one of the dangers of allowing user-generated content. Turns out MS doesn't really get sarcasm:

      1.Open Word 2007 (though it's the same in any Office 2007 app, I think). Click on the help icon in the top right (?)

      2.Type in "Office Assistant"

      3. 7th link down is "What happened to Office Assistant?" Click here.

      4. Read the *first* community tip for some mean-spirited hilarity.

      "And given the the amazingness(I know it's not a real word) that is Vista, you (Microsoft) could even creat an overall Vista Mascot that could hang out on our desktop, even while no MS Office programs are open."

      Kudos to the submitter.

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    21. Re:WAT by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Well for some people they may have not gotten a computer could run well on Vista. There were some initial issues with stability and drivers. Other people just hate change. Vista is UI change, and they probably just wanted their new computer set up just like their old one.

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    22. Re:WAT by harknell · · Score: 1

      While he's not dead in it, this comic explains where Clippy is now and adds in an Indiana Jones joke to go along with it: http://www.onezumi.com/oni/html/modules.php?name=copperminecomic&file=displayimage&album=1&pos=403

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    23. Re:WAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They obviously didn't spend the five minutes switching all the gui prefs off then.

      I was right back to my beloved Win2k. Except that it was STILL taking up 675 megs of RAM, and the start menu was STILL slower popping up :D

    24. Re:WAT by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, the most obvious things that a clueless user would notice are Integrated search (available for XP, but not quite as well integrated), New games, the sidebar gadgets, Built-in DVD maker, Built-in Media Center (though some people bought XP with Media center, most didn't and the most common version of Vista sold is Home Premium that has Media Center), Vastly improved email client, Snippng tool, etc.. All those things are pretty obvious to anyone who's non-technical even.

    25. Re:WAT by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Yep, if you press Alt-F4 in your web browser of choice, he comes back.

    26. Re:WAT by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What really pisses me off about disabling that stupid dog is the way he turns his back on me, and slowly saunters off the screen. No, you stupid mutt! I want you gone NOW, none of this insouciance from you!

    27. Re:WAT by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      A person asking a techie to install XP to replace Vista isn't the kind of person that will go fiddle with the gui settings. They've probably already made up their mind that everything they didn't like about the computer was due to Vista. And they want it gone.

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    28. Re:WAT by Aram+Fingal · · Score: 1

      Maybe we need an animated Bill Murray to mold plastique explosives into the shape of a bone.

    29. Re:WAT by Cor-cor · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It was a little different then was I was used to, but everything works.

      I think this is the main problem with Vista now that most of the big bugs have gotten fixed. So many people are completely computer illiterate and just get by through rote memorization of the correct keystrokes/mouse clicks to do the few things they want. When that changes, even a little bit, they are back to completely helpless and hate it, making them want to downgrade.

    30. Re:WAT by Trixter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, for one thing, Vista on my wife's brand new laptop can't transfer files at speeds exceeding 1.25MB/s despite the network link being capable of almost one hundred times that speed.

      The out-of-box experience is a giant "meh" right in the first ten minutes. I was expecting a lot more product for something that requires 2G of RAM to boot up without paging.

    31. Re:WAT by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      BINGO! Give that man a cigar! Home users have no freaking clue how to actually use a PC and I seriously doubt anybody at MSFT, which seems to have seriously been bit by the "I can be as cool as Apple! Really I can! Quit laughing at me!" ever bothered to actually test the GUI with actually home users. I can tell you that home users HATE change! They absolutely positively HATE change! They know where the buttons were before, they knew what to do to do what they needed before, and now they are nothing but frustrated.

      Then add on top of that the fact that Vista feels slower than their 4 year old XP machine, the HDD thrashes constantly and takes forever to load(most folks shut down their machines cold at night and so do a cold boot at least once a day, usually several) and sucks RAM and CPU time worse than a drunk sucking down Mad Dog, and you have some seriously pissed off consumers. It has gotten to the point that when a new customer comes in and say "Help! I got this new machine and I can't stand it!" that I just say "You got Vista'd,didn't you?" and the answer always is "Yeah, real hard! And I hate this damned thing! Can you put XP on it?". I'm sure that it would shock most here, but most home users I've dealt with didn't even see the "fisher price" GUI of XP because one of the first things they would ask is "Can you make it look like the old one?" so they would happily take home a machine that looked like Win9X. And don't even get me started on Office 2K7. Not placing an easy way to default to the GUI that everyone has been using since Office 97 was just plain stupid.

      Allow me to make a prediction. Write it down, and you watch it come true. If MSFT doesn't fire whichever ass has decided "We can really be like Apple with Win7! No really, we can! Stop making fun of me!" should be the direction of the company instead of making boring, low resource desktop OSes that everyone knows how to use because that is what they have always used, and instead replace quicklaunch and the taskbar with that damned stupid Apple Dock then Win7 is going to go down in flames even faster than Vista. If folks had wanted an Apple they would have freaking bought an Apple. What folks want from MSFT is the same boring as shit they have always gotten, with a little more stability and more drivers included. Add a few little things like native DVD burning and a simple picture editor and they are happy little campers. But if they try to force everyone into this giant Apple ripoff multimedia nightmare then they are going to stay away in droves. I mean have you EVER seen a case like we have now where a new MSFT OS has been out nearly 3 years yet companies like Tigerdirect are bragging Comes with XP Downgrade Rights! in giant letters to sell their machines? Hell I didn't see folks run from a MSFT OS this fast when WinME was unleashed with all its evil upon the world(Bill STILL owes me an apology for THAT one,asshole!)

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    32. Re:WAT by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

      Modded Troll? Really? IT was an honest question to the Parent's Post. Hardly a "Troll"

      /Guess this post can be modded "off topic" :-)

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    33. Re:WAT by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What are their complaints from XP to Vista? Hearing all of the bad press about Vista, I was not excited to "upgrade" when I purchased a new Laptop. However, having use it for a few months now, I have not come accross any real problems with it. It was a little different then was I was used to, but everything works.

      With Vista, even today, it's rather hit-or-miss regarding hardware. If you get a supported (truly supported!) hardware configuration, you'll get a smooth ride. If not, you can get anything from minor quirks to major blockers. And getting a PC with Vista preinstalled is, unfortunately, no guarantee that all hardware is actually properly supported (rather than "barely working when the stars are right").

      By the way, why is the parent modded Troll? He is merely relaying his personal experiences with Vista - or is it something that's only "+5, Informative" when they are negative?

    34. Re:WAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's gotta be there somewhere,

      Its dead, Jim.

    35. Re:WAT by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      1 Microsoft Way
      Redmond, WA

      Though, apparently, you're going to vaporize some innocent flower shop if you nuke that place from orbit. Think of the flowers!

    36. Re:WAT by NoobixCube · · Score: 2, Funny

      It doesn't matter that he's dead, it's too late. The damage is already done. Our minds will never heal from the scars Clippy inflicted. I think the only way to be sure he stays dead is to annihilate all living memory of him. We must nuke /. from orbit for the good of all humanity, and whatever poor souls discover a functioning computer long after we're gone. It's the only way to be sure.

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    37. Re:WAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. Einstein was the best one imho.

    38. Re:WAT by machine321 · · Score: 1

      And, if you have "search for help on the Internet" turned off like most paranoid Slashdotters, you can visit the link directly at http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/help/HA100479751033.aspx.

    39. Re:WAT by Kagura · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They know where the buttons were before, they knew what to do to do what they needed before, and now they are nothing but frustrated.

      I strongly, strongly agree with the previous statement. However, this next part...

      And don't even get me started on Office 2K7. Not placing an easy way to default to the GUI that everyone has been using since Office 97 was just plain stupid.

      I see some people ragging on Office 2007, but I think it's an example of something Microsoft has done extremely well. The new interface is a fantastic change, and I'm really impressed with it. Defaulting to the "old" GUI would be a step in the wrong direction.

    40. Re:WAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you work with customers who are afraid of change? Wow, you are really shocking everyone with your insight.

    41. Re:WAT by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      We have some users with vision problems that need to use 800x600 resolution. Have you any idea how much screen real estate the ribbon takes up by default? Over 1/3. By the time you add the status bar and the taskbar / system tray area there's little room left for them to work.

      And yes, this can be *partly* fixed by tweaks. But by default it's terrible for these people.

      Teaching them how to print a document all over again... because the icon's gone... seems like a step backwards. I don't relish the thought of having to upgrade our users to 2007. So far it's been painful enough with the 6 or so we've done.

      OO 2.4 / 3 is a much better solution IMHO. If you must use Office, use 2003.

    42. Re:WAT by Kagura · · Score: 1

      I'm really surprised that people on 14" and larger monitors could still be at 800x600 for any reason in a situation where it's IT's job to set up the computers. I doubt accessibility is an issue if you are having them use Office 2007 applications.

    43. Re:WAT by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I agree it is great, if you have NEVER touched MS Office in you life, or don't mind relearning everything. But besides those like the poster below me pointed out with visual problems allow me to add my own insight into the problem. I deal with not only home users, but a lot of SOHO and SMB customers as well. They have found it simply cheaper to hire me when something goes wrong than to keep an IT guy on full time. Many of these folks have been using MS Office since Office 97, some even earlier. They could "pop" the icon for what they wanted to do without even glancing up simply because they have used this piece of software for SO long that they knew it like the back of their hand.

      After testing out 2K7 nearly every one has either gone back to 2K3 and a few are actually trying OO.o to see if it will work as a replacement. Because it is like a giant STOP sign when it comes to productivity when you give someone with that kind of memorization 2K7. They just grind to a halt and don't get 1/3 the amount of work done that they were doing before. And that is simply unacceptable. And what I meant by " a way to default to" was simply that: an easy way for the user or IT person to revert the GUI to something that the CUSTOMER can better use. You know, that person that is always right? But MSFT has decided we are going to take an Apple clone and LIKE IT dammit!

      But as they found with Vista and I have the sinking feeling they are going to find AGAIN with Win7 is that folks didn't LIKE it and frankly aren't going to put up with it. Frankly I doubt I could give a Vista machine away around here, whereas I can't seem to keep off lease XP boxes in stock. Folks would rather pay me more to build them one with XP than buy one from Dell, and those that can't afford a build would rather buy a USED office machine with XP than a new bargain machine from Dell with Vista. They have seen Vista, some have tried it, and the majority of those I have dealt with simply don't want it. And when you are spending the $$$ a computer costs you want something you can be comfortable using. And for my customers Vista just doesn't fit the bill. So I have a feeling I'll be making a lot more builds and taking off lease office machines and making them look like Win9x. But that is what the customers want, that is what they are familiar with, and as long as they are willing to pay me for it they are always right in my shop. MSFT should try listening to their customers once in awhile instead of trying to be Apple.

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    44. Re:WAT by Arterion · · Score: 1

      Superfetch. Can you start photoshop in 5 seconds on XP?

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    45. Re:WAT by Zakabog · · Score: 1

      "What are their complaints from XP to Vista?"

      Number one, "it keeps bothering me" (the UAC dialog is probably the worst feature I've ever seen, people just tend to ignore it because they don't know what it means)

      Number two, "it's slow" (hardware that runs XP great has trouble with Vista.)

      Number three, "nothing works" (a lot of my customers had some old custom software or very expensive older printers that didn't have Vista support. Or even just newer software and hardware drivers that had no Vista support without an expensive upgrade)

      Those were the most common reasons people wanted to remove Vista for at my shop, although not every area will be the same.

    46. Re:WAT by Zakabog · · Score: 1

      Well, the most obvious things that a clueless user would notice are Integrated search (available for XP, but not quite as well integrated)

      I've never seen anyone but a power user (who has tons of programs installed) use the integrated search. Most people will either use a word processor and a web browser. They only know how to get to their documents from inside the word processor so the search is useless to them as they don't know what their files are called unless they see them in the browse dialog from their word processor.

      New games

      ... Which add exactly what functionality to the windows experience? Especially given the fact that Microsoft sells most of it's products to businesses where they don't want the majority of employees wasting their time playing the latest version of solitare.

      "the sidebar gadgets

      Which takes up CPU, RAM and screen space while adding nothing of any real value to the computer. I've disabled it for a lot of people and all were grateful that I did.

      Built-in DVD maker

      Which most people will never realize exists (look at the Widows Movie Maker, I've never met a user that found a use for it especially since most PCs don't come with any method of transferring video onto them and if you finally do get some way to transfer video to the PC it generally comes with far better software.

      Built-in Media Center (though some people bought XP with Media center, most didn't and the most common version of Vista sold is Home Premium that has Media Center)

      Again, more worthless software that the average person will never use or even know exists. I've used Media Center for a week to share movies from my computer to my XBox 360. I haven't figured out how to get it to play anything in something more than one of Microsoft's formats even though the computer plays the formats I'm trying to watch just fine. I switched to TVersity on my PS3 which does on the fly transcoding (it's also free as in beer.)

      Vastly improved email client

      Most people have some form of webmail account (gmail, hotmail, yahoo, or even AOL) and anyone with a business e-mail address generally uses the Outlook client that comes with Office.

      Snippng tool

      I have no idea what that is.

      All those things are pretty obvious to anyone who's non-technical even.

      No, they really aren't, and the ones that are generally aren't needed (and are sometimes despised) by the general public.

    47. Re:WAT by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      I'm really surprised that people on 14" and larger monitors could still be at 800x600 for any reason in a situation where it's IT's job to set up the computers. I doubt accessibility is an issue if you are having them use Office 2007 applications.

      People are so damn picky about screen resolution.
      One client of mine uses an app called Eaglesoft. This thing is a piece of garbage. Nothing in the app scales when you resize a window. In fact, most of their windows can't be resized. The fonts are horrible too. When you switch the screen from 1024x768 into something else--like widescreen resolutions, the application looks distorted, the background image has ugly white borders around it because it doesn't scale, etc...

      Half this crap is due to shitty software developers. The other half is the continuous complaints I get from users "My screen looks too small--I'm not as young as I used to be. I can't see it."

      Uuh...you're 30. Get glasses. Seriously--who wants to have a resolution of 640x480 still? Totally reminds me of 'big world' in super mario brothers. Ugh.

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    48. Re:WAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is obviously a site for nerds - who have never seen the cute as hell Mac 128 who lives in Office 11 & earlier on the Mac (& later?) I've burst into laughter when I've been steaming along, busy, and it falls asleep on it's back out of boredom. (It initially just sits down, then nods off, *then falls flat on its back.)

      But 'clippy'? So very, very Windows.

      So ef_ng annoying.

    49. Re:WAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? What are you talking about? All of those were eliminated along with Clippy.

    50. Re:WAT by PCMeister · · Score: 1

      Well said...

      Bill also owes all of us an apology for Microsoft Bob!! Rememeber that piece of crap?? An utter useless "add-on"! What a monumental waste of coding time.

    51. Re:WAT by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 1

      Perhaps there was no way a Microsoft Assistant or a Microsoft Bob could be executed properly.

      May I suggest the electric chair? Hanging? Lethal injection? Hard to imagine anything that wouldn't qualify as proper.

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    52. Re:WAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Still Vista is better than OS X.

    53. Re:WAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until the creators are ass raped publicly by a hoard of angry orangutans it will NEVER be forgotten!!!
       

    54. Re:WAT by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

      I think that this is accurate, but for a much less impassioned and less complicated reason than hairyfeet has suggested. I think that since Windows was invented MS has erroneously stuck with the same interface metaphor, which is not really compatible with how people think about performing tasks.

      Even beyond Apple's GUI, the shining example of GUI is the Wii. For the myriad things that it can do, the interface never betrays simplicity. I believe that is why the Wii has become so popular among the masses.

      The interface presents users with clear choices of what to do, in both pictures and words. The more one drills down into a particular app or game, the more detailed choices become that they are presented with.

      This reminds me of my favorite UI, which is an elevator. First, you have two choices-- up or down. Then, when you get in, you pick a floor. If someone were to start mucking things up by arbitrarily "helping" me get to my destination based on my floor selection, or what I am carrying, it would be annoying.

    55. Re:WAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using a laptop "designed for vista". Vista sucks big green donkey d*****s! Now running Linux and am much happier!

    56. Re:WAT by I_want_information · · Score: 1

      I see some people ragging on Office 2007, but I think it's an example of something Microsoft has done extremely well. The new interface is a fantastic change, and I'm really impressed with it. Defaulting to the "old" GUI would be a step in the wrong direction.

      Yeah, really friggin' fantastic, unless you're the one with a classroom full of 30-odd adults who suddenly can't figure out how to save their Word file, open/play a P0werp0int presentation, etc.

      And don't even get me started on how none of the machines could see flash drives...

    57. Re:WAT by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      Even if price was not an issue, my favorite is still Office 2k because I click, blink, and when I open my eyes it's there, ready for use. No need to twiddle my thumbs on the table for 5 seconds. (If we only had an operating system like that, kind of like DOS used to be. Click click boom, done, ready, use me. Dehybernation of windows 2000 takes me 20 seconds too, and I only have 512 MB memory to hibernate.) So even Office 2002 is slow. Office 2000 is the optimum balance, tolerable amount of extra garbage compared to Office 97, but the Office 97 bugs have been ironed out from it(Office 97 has two service packs plus a unique identification remover, and it takes some time and a few reboots to install. When you purge your computer every few months to clean up the accumulated trash and reinstall everything from scratch, service packs of O97 compared to straight O2k ain't worth it). I might be able to use office 2002, but can't stand office 2003. I still have to use 2003 at work, at least until the computer gets upgraded to Vista! So anyway, I have clippy, but he politely asks: You've turned me off like 5 times already, do you want to permanently shut me up? And the answer is a wholehearted "YES!"

    58. Re:WAT by StuartHankins · · Score: 1

      Sigh. You may be trolling or just have never worked in a corporate environment with a disparate group of end users.

      These people have vision impairment. They're already on a 19" screen (and one on a 21"). Yes, the interface can be tweaked somewhat to give them more real estate.

      We didn't have this problem with Office 97, 2000, or 2003. We DO have this problem with 2007.

      It's because the ribbon interface, by default, eats up too much screen real estate for these people.

    59. Re:WAT by Kagura · · Score: 1

      Yes, I've never worked in such a situation, and since I don't understand why people would still use low resolutions, I brought up the issue so that I could learn more. ;)

    60. Re:WAT by quanticle · · Score: 1

      The issue I have with Vista's integrated search is that it doesn't seem to shut down properly when a laptop is running on battery power. I shut down the search service manually, and I've noted almost a full hour more battery life as the search service isn't thrashing the hard drive any more.

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    61. Re:WAT by quanticle · · Score: 1

      I and lots of other tech. support people are going to have to disagree with you there. Frankly, I don't see how Office 2007's interface is any more intuitive than Office 2003's. The feedback I receive from my users is that Office 2007 actually less intuitive, since it tries to "guess" what you're trying to do and puts the "appropriate" tools on the ribbon. However, the rules that it uses to guess are limited, and it often guesses wrong, forcing the user to override its guess.

      If the user doesn't know that this behavior is occurring, then it seems like the tool that they want has "disappeared", and they don't know how to get it back.

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    62. Re:WAT by quanticle · · Score: 1

      Forget printing, how about the fact that the old "Edit->Undo" menu action isn't there any more, because the old menu structure is totally gone? And, rather than replacing it with something sensible, the undo button is a tiny smudge of an arrow next to the giant "Office" button, making it very hard to hit accurately for users that aren't skilled with a mouse.

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    63. Re:WAT by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's supposed to shut down on battery, the problem is thta the search database will not include items you have added or changed if it were not running. Fast search is a tradeoff of resources for convenience. I agree it would be nice if Vista warned you that battery life may be reduced if search is running on a laptop on battery power.

    64. Re:WAT by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Clippy IS dead. It's been abandoned in all recent MS products, it's only Slashdot that seems to have trouble understanding this

      Then the eye-searing paperclip-like monstrosity that I routinely see bouncing around my work's laptops screens, like a demented ... well ... paperclip is a figment of my imagination?

      Or is it that the image that gets Ghosted back onto each machine after each job still has Clippy un-strangled (as well as abortions like US-English as the default language and inches as the default measure ; at least putting PDF-printing into the ghost images has got us onto the right size of paper for this 90% of the world).

      Clippy will be haunting people for years to come, if not decades. As such, it'll be a valid target for ridicule for a long time too. Hell, BlueScreenOfDeath became a lot, lot less common when people went from Win95 to Win98, but it still appears often enough to be a remembered meme!

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    65. Re:WAT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? What are you talking about? All of those were eliminated along with Clippy.

      Haven't searched for a file recently, have you?

    66. Re:WAT by QuietObserver · · Score: 1

      "I can be as cool as Apple! Really I can! Quit laughing at me!"

      That reminds me of an episode of TaleSpin I recently watched (on YouTube); one of Shere Kahn's employees is trying to suck up to his boss, but fails, of course (this is Disney), and he's always whines "Stop laughing at me". In my opinion, he is quite reminiscent of Microsoft in his ruthless actions and his illicit actions to get what he wants.

    67. Re:WAT by Walter+Carver · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong with Vista other than, well, it's slower than XP. Much slower.

  3. Just a hunch. by AltGrendel · · Score: 1
    They probably didn't use the bird because that had been taken by the Bonsi-Buddy folks.

    Oh how I hated that piece of software. Cleaning up a system after that usually meant reinstalling. And several users insisted that they needed it. Go figure.

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    1. Re:Just a hunch. by Xest · · Score: 1

      RM a major supplier of modified Windows front ends for education use (supposed to be easier) used Peedy the Parrot as their assistant in one of their front ends.

      I can't help but think that "Peedy" is probably not the best name to use as an assistant designed to help small children.

      The only thing I did like was that he spoke the words of menu items you selected and there was a certain sadistic pleasure in selecting help repeatedly to hear the parrot shout help in his Steven Hawkings style voice.

  4. Also Rans by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

    Why is this story a big deal? The same thing is true of Howard the Duck, and Jar-Jar Binks.

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    1. Re:Also Rans by FlyingBishop · · Score: 3, Funny

      There is no way that George Lucas has had a horde of interns and patent attorneys working for the past two decades on Jar Jar Binks.

    2. Re:Also Rans by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1

      Yeah, story is a waste of time. Several of the 15 slides are, by admission of the author, unrelated. Then there are like five variations of the same thing. Oh, and MSFT BOB. See, it's witty if you are 1337 enough to know about BOB.

      I should have trusted my prejudice against "articles" than span 15 ad-ridden pages. What a complete waste of time.

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    3. Re:Also Rans by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Why is this story a big deal? The same thing is true of Howard the Duck, and Jar-Jar Binks.

      Hey, there's two or three of us that liked Howard the Duck.

  5. I love when an article... by mdm-adph · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...gets its facts wrong in the first paragraph.

    Like someone says in the comments, Clippy has been around since Office 98.

    That being said, I always though Microsoft's weird fascination with these things went a little too far -- anyone else remember the 20 or so different animated characters that you could get to help you in Windows XP, just to use the File Search feature?

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    1. Re:I love when an article... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That being said, I always though Microsoft's weird fascination with these things went a little too far -- anyone else remember the 20 or so different animated characters that you could get to help you in Windows XP, just to use the File Search feature?

      Once you develop the functionality, creating additional avatars is relatively trivial. I would be surprised if they couldn't find 20 people to make them for free on their lunch breaks around Microsoft. I mean, look at how many multi-frame comic chat avatars people have created just so they could look like Space Ghost or Smurfette on IRC. That's a much lower quality example but still indicative. You could look at gnome themes or something instead I guess. Shit, there's probably more than 200 MacOSX-based visual themes for Windows XP, let alone 20.

      Software agents with avatars are a brilliant idea. But the tech isn't there yet, and/or people try to do too much with it.

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    2. Re:I love when an article... by mdm-adph · · Score: 1

      Trivial or not to create them... why 20?

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    3. Re:I love when an article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The animated characters are just one of the things that made me go from Windows 2000 straight to Linux.

    4. Re:I love when an article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      In fact, it's been around Office 97, as TFA states in slide 5. That thing about being introduced in 2007 is obviously a typo.

    5. Re:I love when an article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That being said, I always though Microsoft's weird fascination with these things went a little too far

      I thought of Clippy a lot while reading the 1998 book The Media Equation. Here's a review. In short, the researchers' hypothesis was that human interaction instincts like politeness are wired into our brain in such a way that they do not get suspended when using computers. Examples are given in that review.

      It's a believable-sounding hypothesis, and the authors then present a stack of experimental data that corroborates their hypothesis.

      If you look at book pate 33 it says: "How do you enter or leave a social situation? In any face-to-face conversation, people don't turn around and leave. First, they indicate intent and then ask permission to leave, at least implicitly. The opportunity to break this rule in media is legendary. In a famous interface project, a character suddenly disappeared from the screen due to a bug in the program. Users became disturbed, the designers noted, because they felt that the character was angry and had left as a result. Users did not view the disappearance as a problem with the technology. Characters that leave the screen should always take leave by saying "good-bye" or at least making a sound or gesture. They shouldn't evaporate into the digital ether."

      If you still have access to an old copy of office, get Clippy up, then get rid of it. You get a short 'goodbye' animation before the character disappears.

      There's a testimony at the start of the book: "Nass and Reeves have spent the last decade working in the area of social responses to technology. We brought them into our team, and they have shown us some amazing things." -- Bill Gates, Chairman and CEO, Microsoft Corp.

      Clippy was a reasonable-sounding social sciences hypotheses, corroborated by experimental data, and realised as a commercial software product. Whether Clippy's failure was a failure of the hypothesis or of the implementation is hard to tell.

    6. Re:I love when an article... by nine-times · · Score: 2, Informative

      Like someone says in the comments, Clippy has been around since Office 98.

      Was there an Office 98? I thought there was only an Outlook 98, which may have been the introduction of Clippy, but I thought Clippy was around in 97. I do remember upgrading someone to Outlook 98 and them getting annoyed at clippy, which does make me think that either the feature was introduced in Outlook 98, or else it was turned on by default and made more difficult to turn off.

    7. Re:I love when an article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clippy WAS there in Office 97. And don't forget, Windows 98 was almost Windows 99

    8. Re:I love when an article... by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you've been in this business as long as I have, you'll realize that Microsoft's "weird fascination" is not an isolated phenomenon. It's part of a long simmering philosophical division over the design of software that goes back at least to the 1980s and the advent of commercially viable personal computing.

      The crux of this debate is this question: exactly how intelligent should software attempt to be on a users behalf? On one end of the spectrum, you have the vision of highly intelligent agents which monitor the world and the user and do things on the user's behalf that the user would do for himself if he would deign to use his valuable attention. The other end of the spectrum isn't quite as easy to characterize, but I'd say it sees the goal of software design as making tools that do exactly what a user asks them to, neither more nor less. We might consider this spectrum as running from proactive or autonomous software on one end to responsive software on the other.

      In a nutshell, it's the question of whether we want software agents or software tools that divides designers.

      The software agent end of things has always had a kind of futuristic allure, and attracts investment and attention and drives innovation. However, I (being a tools-person) think that making the software do what the user tells it to is a surer path to success. Apple, which I see as mainly a tools oriented design company, coined the term Personal Digital Assistant with the idea that small mobile computers would be agents, but Palm was the company that scored the first success in the PDA market by making a handy device.

      Microsoft has always been an agent oriented company. The "Where do you want to go?" slogan has an unexpected facet in that it subtly bodies the software agent philosophy: you specify where you want to be and the agent will take care of the details. Microsoft's design not only hides the details, but often makes the details inaccessible, which means that getting MS software to do what you want often amounts to twiddling poorly or undocumented registry entries.

      This isn't about making software intelligent or not, it's about how much initiative you take out of the users' hands.

      If you read Tim Berners-Lee's article on the Semantic Web from Scientific American a few years back, you can see that a lot of the benefit envisioned by proponents is in creating intelligent agents that work on users behalf to do things like resolve scheduling conflicts. In the meantime, as Semantic Web technology continues to slowly develop, one of its core functions, searching, has been solved for most uses by better and better "conventional" search technology. Conventional search technology focuses on trying to provide the user the answers he asks for without getting everybody in the world to agree in advance on what the relevant questions might be. It has proved successful beyond what one would have thought a system based on clever indexing rather than an intelligent, semantic understanding of the user's wants could be.

      Now, I'm a tools oriented guy, so this is a biased view. I actually think Semantic Web technology is going to be highly useful, but as a way of designing distributed information systems, not as a way of building agents who will fulfill all our information needs because they are intelligent.

      Clippy is representative of the agent philosophy. He watches what you do, and offers to take over as much of the task from you as he can. This highlights the central problem with the agent philosophy: we are so far from having technology that understands people that when it tries its just annoying. It's not that agents are useless. The web spidering robots that build search indices are, in a sense, highly specialized software agents, working on a much smaller and manageable problem.

      Another solution to the same problem as Clippy is the "wizard". Now I'm not particularly fond of wizards from a design standpoint. For one thing, they are temptations t

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    9. Re:I love when an article... by IICV · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ... your post was more informative than the article.

      I know that's a pretty low bar to pass, but you still deserve congratulations.

    10. Re:I love when an article... by cpicon92 · · Score: 0

      sorry, but it's actually office 97 where clippit first showed up (office 98 was for mac)

    11. Re:I love when an article... by rmcd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great post.

      The thing that always shocked me about Microsoft's UIs is that they do such a terrible job of implementing the things they're purporting to implement. Clippy's an obvious example. But think about right-click menus, which I always thought were a terrific idea but never particularly well-implemented. There are many times I repeat the exact same many-step procedure in Office. Why doesn't Office notice and offer to make a macro or menu item out of what I'm doing? Why can't I drag menu items to the quick-start toolbar (a feature available in many applications for well over a decade)?

      There's so much low-hanging fruit in the Microsoft UI. For all the incredible brainpower in Redmond, it never seems like the people in charge have good judgment.

    12. Re:I love when an article... by MpVpRb · · Score: 1
      The so called "promise" of intelligent agents assumes the intelligent part. Maybe, someday, if and when real artificial intelligence is developed, they might be useful.

      The problem today is that they are stupid, really, profoundly stupid. Hence the endless flow of clippy jokes. "I see you are trying to ..."

    13. Re:I love when an article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > Software agents with avatars are a brilliant idea.

      Users manuals are a brilliant idea...Reading and seriously studying them is a very good idea. It is so good that 90% of computer users are not intelligent enough to get to it.

      Come on, all this "user friendliness" is crap, just make people study what they use.

    14. Re:I love when an article... by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      That being said, I always though Microsoft's weird fascination with these things went a little too far -- anyone else remember the 20 or so different animated characters that you could get to help you in Windows XP, just to use the File Search feature?

      Yes, because choice is bad. But, only in trivial applications. In things that actually matter, and use tons of resources, choice is good because everyone knows you should have to load two massive libraries to surf AND read your email.

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    15. Re:I love when an article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      In the 1990's Microsoft was flush with cash (as they are now) and was busily buying intriguing Silicon Valley startups, and hiring away top university talent for its pure research labs. They apparently didn't think much of this "TCP/IP thing" before Netscape Navigator hit the streets, but they were massively intrigued by:

      - streaming video
      - interactive TV
      - hardware-assisted graphics
      - desktop animation
      - speech recognition
      - any other buzzphrase ending in "recognition"

      For example, at one point it seemed that Microsoft had cornered the market for startups in the video compression segment.

      I think Clippy came out of that desktop animation group. They had a bunch of researchers who published articles on a near-annual basis (so they could justify the expenses-paid junket to the academic conference in the exotic locale) on animated characters as avatars, collectibles, personal assistants, game tokens, etc. The "agent" idea is just one application they seized on for relevance.

      If I had to bet I'd guess that most of the researchers are still there. I remember MS did come out with at least two generations of animated character toolkits; the second featured "video" characters (animated JPEG) of young girls dancing, and the like.

    16. Re:I love when an article... by giafly · · Score: 1

      There are many times I repeat the exact same many-step procedure in Office. Why doesn't Office notice and offer to make a macro or menu item out of what I'm doing?

      Because that would be a big disincentive to upgrade. If Office N has created a lot of custom macros for you, you're unlikely to buy Office N+1 and risk them not working.

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    17. Re:I love when an article... by Alioth · · Score: 1

      In my observation, MS get it wrong on one extreme or the other, they can never get it just right. They either make it user hostile and inconsistent or they make it downright patronising (i.e. Clippy and the teletubby default XP theme). For 3d effects in Vista, instead of using subtle 3d effects and transparency to aid the eye, they make them massively over the top in a "HEY LOOK WOW I CAN DO 3D AND TRANSPARENCY" kind of way, making the UI cluttered.

    18. Re:I love when an article... by simplerThanPossible · · Score: 1

      Google's "I'm feeling lucky" is a step towards agent philosophy - that works really well.

    19. Re:I love when an article... by simplerThanPossible · · Score: 1

      "Agent vs tool" seems to be a very old issue.
      I was amazed to see it come up in a 30 year old thesis in Architecture, about computers starting to be used in that field.

    20. Re:I love when an article... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      When Windows collapses menus, why does it allow them to collapse to two items, one of which is the Expand function? Collapsing to a core set of functions is a reasonable idea, broken in the end by allowing it to collapse to almost nothing.

    21. Re:I love when an article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The replies you've gotten to this post are positive enough that I feel forced to read you ridiculously long comment even though I don't want to. So in advance, before I start reading it, I need to say:

      FUCK YOU

    22. Re:I love when an article... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Its just a throw of the dice. A bet that the first hit will be the right one.

      Geeks probably like it because it is just a button. It doesn't try to make friends with you.

    23. Re:I love when an article... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      There is a debate somewhere in the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal about the way US and Russian engineers built user interfaces for space craft. The Americans tended to have (say) ten thousand functions, and a switch for each one. Configuring the vehicle requires you to go through a check list turning things off and on in the right sequence. The Russians took a more modal approach. Their space craft had a launch mode and a landing mode, etc.

      The Russian approach is faster for normal operations but terrible for abnormal operations. The American approach is the reverse. The non modal approach gives the pilot more control over the system, which is presumably why engineers dislike modal (or agent based) UIs.

    24. Re:I love when an article... by old+and+new+again · · Score: 1

      wasn't it works 98?

    25. Re:I love when an article... by spiderbitendeath · · Score: 1
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    26. Re:I love when an article... by middlemen · · Score: 1

      But if you can create "macros" and modifications to your right click menus, then you ought to be able to save them in some standard format to be exported to another Office version, just like you can do with bookmarks in browsers. No ?

    27. Re:I love when an article... by epine · · Score: 1

      I've been working too many days in a row. Your post has spoiled my inflammatory rampage. Perspective, distinction, thesis, conclusion. Someone needs to mod you -1 for adult content.

      You're completely right portraying the semantic web as the unhappy wishbone between the proactive and responsive camps, as you termed them.

      What you didn't mention is the Achilles heal of the proactive camp: it's non-compositional. There's only room in the kitchen for a single proactive authority. Proactive systems don't layer well. It's extremely hard to compose subsystems which are neither predictable nor reproducible.

      The reason Microsoft keeps returning to the proactive camp is that they believe there only *should* be one cook in the kitchen, and they know who it should be.

      I don't believe it is impossible in principle to mash-up proactive components, just very difficult. I can see some progress being made with a constraint based subsystem, which brings up an interesting and persistent Microsoft design oversight.

      If Clippy had offered me a way to tune him in to house rules, we might have got somewhere. The first thing I would need to explain to Clippy is that OOXML is *not* a viable standard of multi-party document interchange. Don't ever speak of it again.

      Half of Microsoft wants to dabble in proactive software? Great. And I do think something will someday come of this. Historically the problem was insufficient context. Now we have the whole of human knowledge consuming 10% of our electrical grid. The world has changed.

      One thing they need to get through their thick heads is that there is no good reason proactive software can't at least arrive house broken and not piss on my rugs.

      Uh, that thing where you just popped up a window and stole focus while I was typing 90 wpm ... don't ever do that again if you want to live to the ripe old age of 30 seconds. And hold still there, I've got a long list.

    28. Re:I love when an article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An interesting thing about Microsoft Bob is that I once installed it on the computer of a cousin.

      About two years later we completely reinstalled the machine but didn't install BOB.

      His 7 year old daughter was so pissed at me. She really liked it and found it useful.

      I think the idea of Bob was a good and brave attempt even though a lot of people deride it.

    29. Re:I love when an article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The crux of this debate is this question: exactly how intelligent should software attempt to be on a users behalf?"

      But they don't get a very simple point: ASK THE USER what they want, and then go with that. Tell them what the options are, and let them choose. How hard would it be to ask "do you want an animated character for your searches/office assistance/et cetera?" Then someone who likes that sort of thing can say "yes, install it", and someone like me can say "heck, no, that's stupid".

      How fricking hard is it for software engineers to show an example and ask during installation? There's no debate necessary if you allow choice!

      The real problem is Microsoft's obsessive need to demonstrate every "new feature" they code, whether or not most people would actually want it. Half the features from Win 2000 to XP were "isn't this cool?" things that were on by default, but which I waste 20 minutes disabling after a clean install. Most of what I change is simply setting things back to the way they were in Win 2000. So, why in the heck didn't they have a "Win 2000 'classic'" mode for *everything*, not just the window theme and a few cosmetic bits -- i.e. a simple switch with as much "classic" settings as possible? Why don't they have something like that for Office 2007?

      Here's why. They are so proud of the latest crap they they've put together that they'd rather shove it down people's throats by default than give them the choice and making it easy to stay with the old style. Otherwise users might realize the sad truth: that there was no real reason to upgrade.

    30. Re:I love when an article... by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has always been an agent oriented company.

      No way. They got their start selling BASIC. Not Visual Basic, but good old fashion "line numbers and goto" BASIC. From there it was MS-DOS. DOS for cryin' out loud. Can't get any more utilitarian then that.

    31. Re:I love when an article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Office 98 was for Mac. (First version from the revitalized Mac Business Unit at MS following the return of Jobs and his deal w/ Billy G.

  6. Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dont laugh at my zoophilia, you insensitive clod!

  7. Re:The Weirding Way by snspdaarf · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Yeah, well, if it ain't on YouTube, it didn't happen. Thanks for playing.

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  8. it wasn't all bad by thermian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The animated Microsoft characters - MS Agents - you could stick in websites and applications were pretty useful sometimes.

    I used to use them in software written for kids, such as for learning basic numeracy, or spelling. A child reacts well to a little robot or santa flying round the program and asking them to do things.

    I used one once as a tour guide to show people round a pretty large website I used to maintain. That was more an experiment than anything, but it got a lot of use.

    I also ported it over to delphi once, it proved to be an entertaining exercise.

    I wouldn't be so sure that such avatars are finished with yet, although clippy and that damn search window dog are good examples of when it can be misapplied

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    1. Re:it wasn't all bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoever designed Links the cat *really* understands cats. It's easily the best of the bunch, and has some really entertaining emotes.

      But it's no Neko.

    2. Re:it wasn't all bad by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      I agree 100%. The concept itself isn't bad - it was the implementation. I still remember reading Snow Crash and wishing I had a personal assistant like the butler to fetch information for me, and help me analyze it.

      Going forward, the helpers will only get more and more ubiquitous - but hopefully they'll be a little more helpful.

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  9. Re:The Weirding Way by mdm-adph · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whatever happened to just yelling "first post?"

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  10. The unholy trinity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clippy, Bob and Dog. I thought everyone knew Satan was behind them. You think it's a coincidence that Dog is God backwards?

    1. Re:The unholy trinity by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

      And 'Bob' is 'boB' backwards. Eerie!

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    2. Re:The unholy trinity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The earth will be cleansed of its human taint by yppilC the destroyer! All hail yppilC!

      Man, that IS a creepy coincidence!

    3. Re:The unholy trinity by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I always thought bob backwards was dod.
      upside down: pop
      backwards and upside down: qoq
      transpose:
      b
      o
      b

    4. Re:The unholy trinity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do not taunt "Bob", the divine drilling equipment salesman!

  11. Teddy bears: priceless! by SemperUbi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Made it to Slide 9 before the site got Slashdotted... My favorite was the slide with the two pissed-off teddy bears. They'd make great Office Assistants: "How the f*ck can we help you today?"

  12. Re:The Weirding Way by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

    I don't know but somehow I just feel like these guys earn it more when they actually come up with some copypasta I haven't read before.

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  13. Animated Characters by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I remember taking some Microsoft certification tests. Now mind you that in order to pass, you must answer things the Microsoft way regardless of whether they were correct or not. Several of the questions on their programming tests involved user interfaces. Invariably, there would be a couple questions on using animated assistants. Now, the correct answer is to never use an animated assistant. But, being a Microsoft test if you saw "animated assistant", that was the Microsoft choice. After failing the first test, I learned "turn the brain off when entering the exam room and turn it on when you leave". Never failed a Microsoft test after that.

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  14. Try and see by El+Lobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As a software developer you should know that some ideas are good and some are bad....but sometimes you never know if you don't try. The key here is innovation and experimentation. The problem is, often nobody remember your little small innovations that went well: nobody now remembers who introduced the small waved underlines that are now standard in every spell checker in the world. Nobody now remembers who introduced tutorialized tasks. In 10 years nowbody will remember who introduced the ribbon. But everybody will remember the innovations that went wrong, like clippy and friends.

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    1. Re:Try and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The creator lies buried in an unmarked plot, next to those office assistants that were next to Bill G when the Win98 presentation BSOD'ed on him in front of an audience. Oh, they thought they were soooo fired. How mistaken those real office assistants were.

      Rumor has it that Bill G's last question to them was, What would you want on your tombstone?

    2. Re:Try and see by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

      Agreed; and someone should point out that the critters were only part of the picture. The dialogs that they appeared on have progressed to allow natural language queries for the application's help - a feature that has matured quite a bit in the latest incarnation of Office. Quite useful, and based on what they learned from user feedback when characters like Clippy and pals were implemented. But of course, since they were attempts by Microsoft they must be laughed at and castigated, if for no other reason. Sigh...

    3. Re:Try and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "ribbon," really? You that that turd is innovated???

    4. Re:Try and see by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I don't think that the experimentation is what causes people to make fun. It's more the fact that Microsoft kept it around for 10 years, in spite of overwhelming negative reactions. It's as if someone at Microsoft was just determined to force Clippy on their customers.

    5. Re:Try and see by El+Lobo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not unusual at all. With every new version the avatars has been changing. I guess they have been trying to fine-tune it to try to find some use for it, but with every new release their function and space is less and less. Today Clippy is almost inexistent. Of course, there are million of people who still use Office 97, so there are million of Clippy users still today.

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    6. Re:Try and see by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Worse is that people tend to attribute useful innovations to the wrong source. How many people do you hear attributing the mouse to Apple? How many other people do you hear trying to correct the first group by telling them that Xerox invented the mouse? When an innovation goes poorly, the people who came up with it become a joke and are remembered because of that joke; but when it goes well, it is usually some company like Apple or Microsoft that popularizes it, and nobody remembers the original innovators.

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    7. Re:Try and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But of course, since they were attempts by Microsoft they must be laughed at and castigated, if for no other reason. Sigh...

      Don't cut yourself, little MS-Emo.

    8. Re:Try and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people hate MS because of their horrible applications, not because it is MS. On the other hand, those who hate MS because it is MS get that hate from the horrible applications that MS has done in the past. Clippy is one of them.

      It progressed some type of technology? That's great. It would have been even greater if it would not have horribly sucked so that it became hated by everyone.

    9. Re:Try and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, you proved your own point! Xerox didn't invent the mouse -- Doug Engelbart and his gang at SRI did.

    10. Re:Try and see by I_want_information · · Score: 1

      As a software developer you should know that some ideas are good and some are bad....but sometimes you never know if you don't try. The key here is innovation and experimentation...

      And extensive end-user testing !

  15. Page 7 of TFA interests me by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Modulating the Behavior of an Animated Character to Reflect Beliefs Inferred About a Userâ(TM)s Desire for Automated Services"

    I think if they'd put this into practice I might have finally gotten to see Clippy take a lot of something high calibre to the face.

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  16. what ever happened to Clippy .. by rs232 · · Score: 1
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  17. Re:The Weirding Way by kirbysuperstar · · Score: 1, Funny

    Me too. It's like uh.. a medal. Of retardation. Still a medal, though.

  18. Microsoft Home by mlwmohawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to work at a software contracting house about 16-18 years ago. We worked on "Microsoft Home" project. There were two programs: "Fine Artist" and "Creative Writer" for kids. (code name "splat") It had an animated helper, "Pablo Picknoseo" (yes: pik-nOs-O") it seems to be some time before these patents. I still got the tee shirt.

    The Picaso family objected to the name of the character and they renamed him.

    I left that company as they were billing Microsoft by the hour, but paying salary. Microsoft was changing things on a weekly basis, but not adjusting the release schedule. The company was neither adding engineers nor fighting back on the schedule, just demanding we work more. It was crazy.

    1. Re:Microsoft Home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of my sons taught himself to read when he was 3 years old by using one of these programs from Microsoft. Now he's a teenage Linux geek. Wouldn't it be funny if he helps put MS out of business?

    2. Re:Microsoft Home by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "I left that company as they were billing Microsoft by the hour, but paying salary. Microsoft was changing things on a weekly basis, but not adjusting the release schedule. The company was neither adding engineers nor fighting back on the schedule, just demanding we work more. It was crazy."

      Congratulations on a good decision. If they are billing by the hour...so should you.

      Personally, I ONLY work by billing by the hour...I refuse to work for free.

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    3. Re:Microsoft Home by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      If they are billing by the hour...so should you.

      I was "employed" by them, and up until the demand exceeded the pay, it was a pretty good place to work. I worked with some great people there. It was sad that I had to leave, but it was on of the things that eventually ruined my first marriage.

    4. Re:Microsoft Home by mgiuca · · Score: 1

      Is that where McZee came from?

      I have to say, I was a big fan of Creative Writer and Fine Artist when I was in primary school ... say around 11 or 12 years old.

      Clippy is demeaning and laughable for adults, but these characters really make these sorts of applications appealing to children (speaking from my own experiences). Creative Writer and Fine Artist went further and had a whole building you could explore with "crazy" ideas and projects and clickable joke animations. A building with a word processor built into it! I had fun with these programs.

      (And to be honest, I liked Clippy and his friends when I was around that age as well).

    5. Re:Microsoft Home by SkOink · · Score: 1

      I used to work at a software contracting house about 16-18 years ago. We worked on "Microsoft Home" project. There were two programs: "Fine Artist" and "Creative Writer" for kids. (code name "splat") It had an animated helper, "Pablo Picknoseo" (yes: pik-nOs-O") it seems to be some time before these patents. I still got the tee shirt.

      It's funny - I had completely forgotten about those programs until you brought them up. I had a relative who worked at Microsoft when I was a kid, and she sent me copies of these for Christmas one year. I really liked them a lot, and they were a great way to introduce me to illustration and word processing programs. Behind the goofy UI that I loved as a kid, you could find most of the same features and concepts as Microsoft Word. When I switched over to Microsoft Word as I got a little bit older, there was real no learning curve.

      So I guess it was a pretty successful piece of software for Microsoft. :)

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    6. Re:Microsoft Home by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

      Behind the goofy UI that I loved as a kid, you could find most of the same features and concepts as Microsoft Word.

      I was the "Windows Architect" of the project. We had a mac guy for the mac version.

      Many of the things that went in to word, and eventually into Windows generally, may have been developed in that project.

      In fact, I developed a cross-platform dynamic linking mechanism for Windows and Mac that used C structures for interfacing DLL and Mac code resources, we called them LSDs (loadable software devices), Microsoft's OLE came out later and shared a surprising number of similarities.

      Microsoft's "chunky file format" was used for the file I/O of the products. We actually workd with one of the GDI engineers to help us do the BMP/DIB animation at the GDI bitmap level. (Something the competitor, Broderbund, probably did not have.)

      At that time, Windows was kind of cool to work on. Linux didn't exist, BSD was still encumbered, and MINIX was unknown to most everyone.

  19. 15 pages? by contrapunctus · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I'm pretty curious but I'm not going to click 15 times to read the article err "slide show". I'm not you clicking monkey!

  20. Re:The Weirding Way by mdm-adph · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just realized what that post is supposed to be -- it's like a "mental DNS" attack to fark up the rest of the discussion.

    Probably a rogue Microsoft patent attorney!

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  21. Microsoft Labs by owlnation · · Score: 1

    I always thought that Clippy was born out of one of Ballmer's experiments in the basement of the Microsoft lair.

    One night during a bad storm a customer support rep disappeared, and a kitten, and a chair... next day, Clippy was born.

    Something along those lines?

  22. Clippy says... by Salamander · · Score: 5, Funny

    It looks like you're trying to create a slideshow about me. Would you like to...

    • ...include the paparazzi pictures of me at the nude beach?
    • ..find a lawyer for when Microsoft claims this violates their copyright?
    • ...show everyone how super-duper-elite you are by complaining about me even though they you've never actually seen me for real because your middle school doesn't use Office?
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    1. Re:Clippy says... by drunkenoafoffofb3ta · · Score: 1

      Ah, useful response if this article ever made it onto Digg

  23. Huh. They might've forgotten something. by transiit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For an article interested in the "Secret Origins of Clippy", they did a good job noting that this all started with the failed Microsoft Bob ("I see you've mistyped your password. Would you like to change it?"

    But for all the secrecy they've uncovered in these public patent filings, they seemed to have missed that the program manager of MS Bob was Melinda French, who later became Melinda Gates. I understand she later worked with the team that gave the world the MS Office Assistant (clippy) as well as the Search animations that show up starting around Windows XP.

    I guess it's anyone's guess whether there was any nepotism driving this as a marketable feature, even when it was regularly reviled by their users.

    1. Re:Huh. They might've forgotten something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when i clicked on the title to read the comment it came with the following inline ad:

      "More Flexible Screwing... The flexible shaft..." -- ThinkGeek

      i want to get a look at slashdot's content to ad matching mechanism... it's awesome.

    2. Re:Huh. They might've forgotten something. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      kdawson didn't miss it:

      Posted by kdawson on Friday January 02, @09:02AM
      from the melinda-has-a-lot-to-answer-for dept.

    3. Re:Huh. They might've forgotten something. by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Yep. Bill Gates always had -- and continues to have, as chief software architect -- final say in what does and does not go into all of Microsoft's software products. Even if everyone else at Microsoft might think that a particular feature, such as Clippy (I thought his name was actually Clippit?) and other animated characters might think that something is or was a bad idea, if Bill says it's in there, it's in there.

      That being said, not everyone hates the feature. My aunt actually likes Clippy and leaves him on all the time. OTOH, when my wife has to use Office, she's always asking 'How do I make this stupid thing go away?' ;)

  24. techno amnesia .. by rs232 · · Score: 4, Informative

    "nobody now remembers who introduced the small waved underlines .. tutorialized tasks .. the ribbon"

    WordPerfect highlights poor grammar or incorrect word usage with a wavy blue underline

    Apple Guide Isn't Help

    tabbed toolbars or the Component palette as it was called in Delphi

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    1. Re:techno amnesia .. by El+Lobo · · Score: 1

      I am a Delphi developer and has been such since Delphi 1, and if you thing the Delphi palette id a ribbon, you must be out of you mind.

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  25. Last page - India by pecosdave · · Score: 1, Funny

    It is now appearant that Microsoft and Dell are teaming up, not only to outsource tech support to India, but to hire Indian tech support that cant even read!

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    1. Re:Last page - India by elrusoloco · · Score: 1

      Classic. Someone making fun of "furriners what can't read good" makes two mistakes in his post. Apparent, not appearant. Can't, not cant.

  26. I had clippy really help me once. by Kayden · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Hi, I noticed you're writing a ransom letter. Would you like a few pointers? If you use more threatening language, you can probably get a lot more money. Also, make sure you use gloves when you print the letter so the police can't track your finger prints"

  27. The origin of Clippy by symbolset · · Score: 2, Funny

    Clippy was Melinda Gates' idea. Hence the emphasis on making it work.

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  28. A Microsoft PM once told me Clippy saved money by Cerebus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Allegedly, Clippy annoyed people into looking in the help files to figure out how to turn him off. That led them to discover that the help file actually was helpful. This reduced the give-away service calls by some measured percent.

    Probably not Clippy's intended purpose, but there you go. :)

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    1. Re:A Microsoft PM once told me Clippy saved money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had a certain clueless CPA who kept asking me simple questions about how to use office. I mean stupidly-simple like 'how do i underline?' and stuff like that....

      Eventually I broke down & told her to start asking clippy before she called me... clippy was able to help her enough that my 3 or 4 calls a week dwindled to 1 every week or two.

      Badmouth clippy all you like, for clueless idiots hes a huge help & that CPA wasnt the only person ive ever seen using him on a regular basis.

  29. Missing... by SpectraLeper · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm surprised we didn't see this important product listed.

    1. Re:Missing... by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, XHTML, a very important step. I understand the Clippy was part of an early AJAX experiment...

      </sarcasm>

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    2. Re:Missing... by gzipped_tar · · Score: 1

      And this is scary... http://vigor.sourceforge.net/

      An implementation of the "Vi Clippy" originating from some UserFriendly strips making fun of Clippy.

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  30. Jesus. by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who cares where Clippy is from. I just want it to die.

    I'll tell you what I want to die - Web sites that spread an article out one paragraph at a time over 15 pages where the spam-to-content ratio is 15 to 1.

    I'm sorry, but I didn't read the article, since I didn't get past page one of fifteen.

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    1. Re:Jesus. by ElleyKitten · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll tell you what I want to die - Web sites that spread an article out one paragraph at a time over 15 pages where the spam-to-content ratio is 15 to 1.

      I'm sorry, but I didn't read the article, since I didn't get past page one of fifteen.

      I got to page 2. There they have a link that is supposedly a microsoft article saying people loathe rover (the xp search dog). follow the link and... no, it doesn't say anything like that. Reading 15 pages is bad enough, but 15 pages of bullshit is not what I'm doing.

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    2. Re:Jesus. by Pentium100 · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/crawford_september03.mspx

      No More Dog Days

      There are, indeed, strong feelings on both sides about the dog. Rover is the default animated character that appears when you open the Search Companion. People love it or loathe it. There seems to be very little middle ground. Fortunately, everyone can be made happy.

      You didn't read that page, did you?

    3. Re:Jesus. by InfiniteLoopCounter · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but I didn't read the article, since I didn't get past page one of fifteen.

      Sounds like you may need help reading the article. What would you like to do next?

      - direct your browser to page 2 of the article

      - read a help file

      - don't bother with RTFA as you are /.

  31. From TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    About "Earl", the internet search assistant:

    this is apparently what Microsoft was doing to enhance Web search at the same time that Larry Page and Sergey Brin were founding Google.

    Burn!

  32. Was it now? by westlake · · Score: 1
    everyone else realized it was a bad idea

    The only "Clippy" jokes I remember were those posted - endlessly - to Slashdot. It left me wondering - and not for the first time - whether the geek lived in a little world of his own. How many users simply accepted - even welcomed - a touch of humor, color and animation on their office desktop.

    1. Re:Was it now? by Spad · · Score: 1

      In my experience of users outside of the Slashdot demographic, there are a small subset who refuse to use office without their paperclip/wizard/dog to guide them, a similar subset who refuse to use office if the Office Assistant component is even installed. The majority really don't care either way but would probably be happier if they weren't constantly asked if they needed help writing a letter, what with having mastered that art at primary school.

    2. Re:Was it now? by earlymon · · Score: 1

      The only "Clippy" jokes I remember were those posted - endlessly - to Slashdot. It left me wondering - and not for the first time - whether the geek lived in a little world of his own. How many users simply accepted - even welcomed - a touch of humor, color and animation on their office desktop.

      Oh, really?

      Just Googled for "clippy jokes" - sure does seem to extend beyond /. and way beyond the little world, the geek's own.

      So. How's the weather in Redmond today?

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  33. early typo in article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the "Office Assistant" paperclip who was introduced in Office 2007 and only departed the scene completely when the company released Office 2008 for the Mac a year ago.

    If only we had to put up with it for a year, it wouldn't have been that bad...

  34. Smurfette by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... look at how many multi-frame comic chat avatars people have created just so they could look like Space Ghost or Smurfette on IRC.

    According to an article, "Papa Smurf took pity on her and took her to his laboratory, where they locked themselves in for several days before emerging."

    I wonder what happened?

    1. Re:Smurfette by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      According to an article, "Papa Smurf took pity on her and took her to his laboratory, where they locked themselves in for several days before emerging."

      I wonder what happened?

      Reprogramming. People always find it weird that there's only one female Smurf in the whole place. It's even worse when you realize that she's not even a real Smurf.

  35. We wanted something new... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was working at Microsoft, these little buggers were popular in the Office Suite...I hated them...
    But a group of us were talking and found that it would be cool to SDK the utility that makes them so that we could make our own...
    We wanted a Kosh (the Vorlon from Babylon 5), an Invader Zim, Gir (from Invader Zim) among others...
    Yes, lots of Copyright Issues...but come on, wouldn't it be cool to have your own character, AND to have your own phrases and even add voice to it all...
    But the Office Team wouldn't let us have a copy of the development tool...not even for our own enjoyment, even if we couldn't SDK the thing...

  36. Article forgets to mention goat's blood. by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    You can make something as unholy as Clippy without it.

  37. Clearly the result of... by ivan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...an employee bonus program based on the number of patent filings.

  38. 220...221, whatever it takes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FYI

    The article says, "...Clippy, the âoeOffice Assistantâ paperclip who was introduced in Office 2007 and only departed the scene completely when the company released Office 2008."

    I'm pretty sure Clippy winked his first annoying wink in Office 97, not 2007.

  39. Avatars are a great concept... by RazorJ_2000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...it's just that Microsoft's initial implementation was poor IMHO. The whole concept is great. At my work, we have available a tremendous amount of online training through a combination of video and PDF, etc. The thing is that what Microsoft didn't study, or perhaps did but didn't understand is that since childhood, kids are raised to see cartoon charactors as, for the most part, a little retarded. So anyone seen using a cartoon charactor to teach them concepts and usage of a software program will be seen as being retarded.

    I bet that if they had done a proper, professional, and serious implentation, that it might have gone better for them.

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    1. Re:Avatars are a great concept... by earlymon · · Score: 1

      I agree with enjoying tutorials that include video and so forth.

      But the implementation didn't fail because animated characters are retarded. The implementation was retarded because Clippy, Bob and the Pathetic Fucking Search Puppy(*) just launched by themselves as an annoyance, not in response to a request for help. Further, as another poster suggested, the so-called help guessed very poorly what it was that was being worked on. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1078567&cid=26299781

      Given that it's completely retarded and evil to have software work that way, it's actually internally self-consistent that these components are displayed in the most retarded fashion possible.

      If they had done "a proper, professional, and serious implentation" as you suggest, then this dung would have never infected our minds.

      I find the very same can be said of the company's commercials and several of their products (Access, anyone? That now-missing member of the Office Suite?)

      The avatars were born in Bob, noted as the 7th worst product of all time, an open joke as the MS campus, and unfortunately not the dumbest idea ever at Microsoft. Links, in their respective order:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob
      http://www.pcworld.com/article/125772-3/the_25_worst_tech_products_of_all_time.html
      http://jamesfallows.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/04/clippy_update_now_with_organiz.php
      http://blog.tomevslin.com/2007/05/microsoft_memor.html
      (yeah, I know how to inline the refs in html, but I prefer to let people clearly see where they're linking to)

      (* Pathetic Fucking Search Puppy - Ask for it by name!)

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  40. whipped by GregNorc · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm sure that Melinda French (later to become Melinda Gates) being the project manager for the Microsoft Bob project had nothing to do with the fact Microsoft ran with it for so long.

  41. The upside of Clippy by tjstork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You know, as much as everyone hates Clippy, Microsoft sold so many copies of Office that there's bound to be a few million people that like him. I would be willing to bet that anyone who wrote a spreadsheet with a clippy like help system would wind up making a pretty good amount of money. For what its worth, I think today's Office help absolutely sucks compared to Clippy. FOr me, that text box of asking what Clippy I wanted to do was usually pretty damn good. Clippy always came through for me.

    I think the idea of a personified computer, creating one that expresses interaction, is something that Microsoft should have stuck it out with. Someday, some competitor is going to look at the ashes of clippy, and bob, have an "aha moment", identify where it all went wrong, and everyone will be cheering a great breakthrough in technology.

    It wouldn't be the first time this happened. The US car companies put a lot of money into a lot of automotive and engine technologies that didn't see a practical light of day, and, ultimately, the likes of Toyota and Honda would pick up the pieces and run with them in the late 1980s and establish themselves not just as low cost alternatives but as technology players.

    And, I will tell you, I know exactly what Microsoft's failure was with Clippy, right when I announce my new Storky based help in my spreadsheet!

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    1. Re:The upside of Clippy by Unnngh! · · Score: 1

      I think that most people want the computer to anticipate their actions and adjust accordingly - seamlessly. The context-sensitive menus and toolbars in both Windows and OSX are a move in this direction. The animated assistants can sometimes be helpful but most often they get in the way. The animated assistants also made me feel stupid if I did something to invoke them by making a mistake, and no one likes to feel stupid. I think major issues like this will prevent them from ever being widely useful until, possibly, someone can make them into a primary interface, which is a long ways off still.

    2. Re:The upside of Clippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be willing to bet that anyone who wrote a spreadsheet with a clippy like help system would wind up making a pretty good amount of money.

      They did. Their name was Microsoft, and the spreadsheet was Excel. (Clippy wasn't just for Word, he was available throughout the whole Win98 office suite.)

    3. Re:The upside of Clippy by scotts13 · · Score: 1

      I think that most people want the computer to anticipate their actions and adjust accordingly

      No. I think people who use computers professionally, instead of as toys, want computers to react to input the exact same way, every time. When a system tries to anticipate me by automating functions or customizing my menus, it throws me completely off task the first time I do something different. When I look at Vista, the help system assumes I'm doing every task for the first time - every time I do it. It's recursive; instructions FROM the help system often tell you to "Choose Help, then type..." I take this to mean that MS is admitting their OS is basically unlearnable.

    4. Re:The upside of Clippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why other people hate clippy, but I can tell you why I started to hate it:

      I needed to urgently type a letter and my computer at that time had a problem with the serial port (yes, it has been a while) so I couldn't use the mouse. Not really a problem, because on Windows you can do everything with the keyboard. Well, almost every thing. It turns out that you could not turn off clippy without using a mouse. And since I was experimenting with key combinations, clippy had enough chances to pull annoying faces and ask stupid questions while I was completely helpless about it.

  42. Maybe Clippy isn't so bad. by drewvr6 · · Score: 1

    Take it from me. Clippy is received a lot better than my Pedo-bear search assistant.

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    1. Re:Maybe Clippy isn't so bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see your pedobear meme, and raise you a thomas jefferson!

  43. How we all feel about Clippy by Bayoudegradeable · · Score: 1

    My all time favorite Clippy piece, but the language is not family friendly... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6aXzMuYN7U Interesting use of Clippy as a character http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjC_0HkLgi8

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  44. No Choice or Competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is amazing that after all this time we can only talk about Microsoft and its outrages, annoyances, and foibles. We shouldn't need to grumble about talking paper clips, we should be able to choose a suitable, highly professional OS. The area of personal/desktop computing is notably lacking in any real commercial competitors. Why has no one stepped up to challenge this ridiculous hegemony?

    Note: Linux was never intended to compete with Microsoft. Linux has been developed only for its own sake, and if it succeeds in supplanting some Microsoft usage this is purely incidental to its main purpose.

  45. Microsoft Chat by qw0ntum · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Slide 4 is probably related to Microsoft Comic Chat, an experimental IRC client that came out of Microsoft Research years ago (and incidentally the origin of the Comic Sans font). It basically took an IRC conversation and made it look like a comic strip, where each member of the conversation had a different character, and their words would appear as speech bubbles. You could also make your character have different expressions. All in all it was pretty cool and actually worked pretty well. It never really took off though because it accomplished all this by prepending metadata to your messages: if the people you were talking to were using MS Chat, they would see your character smile or frown or something; if they used any other client it'd just be a bunch of gibberish before your message.

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    1. Re:Microsoft Chat by cnettel · · Score: 1

      Comic Sans was already in Creative Writer and Fine Artist (released around -94). And the avatar chat client is IMHO more related to V-Chat, which predates Comic Chat, as Comic Chat allowed no navigation in the "world".

    2. Re:Microsoft Chat by westlake · · Score: 1
      You could also make your character have different expressions. All in all it was pretty cool and actually worked pretty well.

      Comic Chat stripped IRC of its jargon.

      In text or graphics mode it was probably the most accessible of all IRC clients.

      There were many user created manga and anime themed characters - and a significant asian base of users.

    3. Re:Microsoft Chat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slide 13 is of Comic Chat (Slide 4 is of another chat program from Microsoft - V-Chat).

      Both chat programs differed from Bob, Clippy, and MS Agent and the others in that they didn't have characters guiding you through the interface - the applications just had characters within them (like WoW, Second Life, etc...).

      There was actually some interesting research behind Comic Chat. http://kurlander.net/DJ/Projects/ComicChat/resources.html describes the project's history and points to a SIGGRAPH technical paper about Comic Chat, the technical video that accompanied the paper, a demo of Bill Gates showing Comic Chat as part of an MIT lecture, and even a glimpse of Comic Chat within a Microsoft commercial. There's also a link there describing how to download and run the program.

    4. Re:Microsoft Chat by BeShaMo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I remember we had a perm kick/ban policy whenever someone entered our channel using MS chat. It was funny since it was a pretty mainstream channel about Tolkien (pre movies) which alot of people would look up as their first port of call when experimenting with IRC. Ah the joy of being young and have little to no morals.

    5. Re:Microsoft Chat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found that in any typical irc channel where nobody had used ms comic chat previously, upon demonstration it took about 5 minutes for everyone to universally agree to ban anyone who was using it in their channel for this reason.

  46. For those that miss the little guy by SL1200MKII · · Score: 1

    You can download an "enhanced" incarnation of the little dude for free at:

    http://www.rjlsoftware.com/software/entertainment/clippy/

  47. Lame article by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    Can we quit getting links to site that give you like 3 lines of text per page? Despite having broadband it still take longer to load the damn thing than to read it so I won't. Let them get their ad hits from someone else.

  48. The only thing more evil than Cheney ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is fscking Clippy

  49. Smart dog vs stupid Microsoft guy by Jim+Hall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A relative of mine (name withheld) was working at Microsoft at the time, in their MS Office division. He told me some great stories about this "animated help assistant" they were working on for the next release.

    The best bit, and most telling, was the huge political infighting about what the avatar would be. One group lobbied for a cartoon dude wearing a Microsoft t-shirt, because you should have the concept that "Microsoft is helping you" or some such. Another group wanted a cartoon dog to answer questions - they argued that version 1 of whatever Microsoft did would suck, that the avatar would often misunderstand questions so would give wrong answers, thus it would be better to have a smart dog occasionally get it wrong, than a Microsoft guy look stupid.

    This person left Microsoft before the avatar was decided, so I don't know why Microsoft decided a magic, talking paperclip was the best solution.

    1. Re:Smart dog vs stupid Microsoft guy by El+Lobo · · Score: 1

      The paper clip was the default, but the dog (as well as a wizard, a cat and some more) were included as well. Of course you needed a little bit of brain to know that you could change it (or disable them all). But people, as almost always prefer to bitch than to think a little.

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  50. Re:The Weirding Way by philspear · · Score: 1

    Fact: all "first posts" were done by Clippy. MS decided he needed to automatically do that. Over the years he's grown unstable.

  51. May I help you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was already annoying in Starlost.

  52. Agents vs tools by HardwarePeteUK · · Score: 1
    Although I'm primarily a hardware type, I've written a lot of (working!) code in my time, and Clippy et. al. personify what I call 'Software just smart enough to be stupid'.

    What's amazing is that most people put up with crapware (it's an interesting exercise to turn off animated menus when confronted with them for the first time), but in this case it was so detested that 'Kill Clippy' became almost a cult call.

    I use a number of very expensive tools from PCB design suite vendors, and the disconnect between those specifying the software and the needs of the users is astounding - just as with Clippy ;)

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  53. Bad idea OR bad implementation? by S77IM · · Score: 1

    In a case like this, how does one distinguish between a bad idea, and a bad implementation of a good idea?

    On the surface, an animated helper seems like a reasonable idea (at least, to anyone who hasn't been exposed to Clippy). But when Microsoft implemented it, it went horribly awry. Since we've only got that one data point, how do we know that it was the idea itself that was flawed, rather than Microsoft's lousy implementation?

    Maybe the animated assistant is too far ahead of its time, or is a solution in search of a problem. Maybe Microsoft shouldn't have given Clippy such a damn smarmy attitude, or made it easier to get him out of your face, especially for the expert users.

    20 years from now, will this conversation sound like a quaint "It is impossible to build a flying machine that is heavier than air?"

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  54. I 3 clippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I liked clippy and the other animated 'helpers'. What I did not like was the 1-3 minute system pause to load them. The rather limited animated helpers brought a bit of interest to my daily duldrums. If they instantly appeared when I pressed 'F1' and had a rich bank of animations effects then I would start using them again. Typically when I need help I want it fairly quickly not two or three minutes later.

  55. Original "Clippy" was awesome by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 1

    The original implementation of "Clippy" was based on extensive research in computer-assisted help, and it did a very good job--only showing up when you really needed help, and almost always being right about what you needed help on.

    What went wrong is that marketing people decided it did not show up enough, and so Clippy was dumbed way down, so that it would show up much more frequently.

    There was a fascinating article a few years ago by the guy whose research project Clippy came from, discussing this and the path from cutting-edge technology to annoying pest that Clippy was forced down.

  56. Re:The Weirding Way by laejoh · · Score: 1

    Well, a disk array's latency got up, that's what happened :)

  57. does Vista still has the search Doggy? by miknix · · Score: 1

    it's explained then..

  58. Re:The Weirding Way by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Fact: all "first posts" were done by Clippy. MS decided he needed to automatically do that. Over the years he's grown unstable.

    Since clippy only communicates via offering help, he necessarily offered help to himself while posting, setting off infinite recursion, and creation of thousands of personalities? I think you've mistaken him for twitter.

  59. Most folks? by leshert · · Score: 1

    Most folks think that Microsoft Office's Clippy, Microsoft Bob, and Windows XP's Search Assistant dog were perverse jokes. [need citation]

    I've never heard this opinion before, to be honest. They obviously share a pedigree (no pun intended), but no company puts that much research, development, and sales investment into something they don't expect to give returns.

  60. Clippy - Cat by messner_007 · · Score: 1

    I really liked the cat assistant ...

    I loved it, going through my screen, doing funny things ... I couldn't resist clicking on animate now and then ... It was always on on my workbench.

    I want my Clippy-cat back !!!

    1. Re:Clippy - Cat by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      I like to run amor for the same reason. I get the clever antics and it doesn't ruin anything by trying to help me.

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  61. Re:The Weirding Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just realized what that post is supposed to be -- it's like a "mental DNS" attack to fark up the rest of the discussion.

    Sorry. Please rephrase in terms of a car analogy. For instance, "The change of subject at the ending was so fast it gave me whiplash."

    (I admit it, I LOL'd at the trollpasta. That one was pure win. If this is an indication of the trolling we can expect in the new year, I say "MOAR!")

  62. Paperclips, einsteins oh my... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they would have started with Frankeinstein or a four eyed slug that continually leaves slime all over your word documents -- people would buy the software just for the innovative help system.

    I was thinking that Clippy was the name of the frog from starfox but then I remembered it was really Slippy. Even flying frogs would be an improvement over a fricking paperclip and a cartoon einstein.

  63. There was a great book by Jay+L · · Score: 1

    in the mid-90s by some of the cognitive researchers at the center of the whole anthropomorphic-character thing at Microsoft. I'm not having any luck finding it online, but the gist was: People react to computers the way they react to people.

    It was filled with fascinating experiments. They'd have people work with one of two "expert system" programs - one of which subtly complimented the user's knowledge, and one of which didn't. Invariably, the friendly system would be rated as "more accurate".

    Or: People watched a news program on one of two TV sets. One was unlabeled; the other was labeled "news" (and, IIRC, in the presence of other such "special purpose" TV sets labelled entertainment, sports, etc.) Those who watched on the special-purpose News TV were more likely to call the program "authoritative".

    If you'd read that book, it was almost impossible NOT to come to the conclusion that things like Bob, Clippy, etc. would make average consumers far more comfortable - and productive - with computers. It was blindingly obvious from the studies, and, like so many wrong ideas, it seemed perfectly reasonable, and jibed with evolutionary psychology, etc. etc.

    A few years ago, someone in the field told me that the truth eventually came out: The researchers had either fudged or misinterpreted their data. Oops.

  64. Shenanigins by daveime · · Score: 1

    Splitting what could essentially be a 1 page article into 15 pages, just to cram in needless advertising and SEO links to blogs and social networks does NOT a slideshow make. Just call a spade a damn spade, please.

  65. Before Bob by noldrin · · Score: 1

    Before Bob came out I saw a news report about Microsoft. They interviews some guy working on future company technology, an animated assistant. It was a Parrot I believe.

  66. The anthropomorphic interface is a bad idea. by mosb1000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm not sure why some people seem to be obsessed with interacting with anthropomorphic machines. There are over 6 billion people in the world, surely you can find one of them to talk to.

    A computer is a computer. People use them more like a book that is updated in real-time than anything else. We should simply let it be what it is and try to improve on the way people interact with it. It makes no sense to try to trick users into believing they are interacting with something else. That can only lead to confusion and problems.

    The same thing goes you anthropomorphic robot-builders out there. Why build something that acts like a human? We already have lots of those. The whole point of automation is that it can do things that are difficult for us to do by hand. It doesn't make sense that an efficient robot would look like a human, because the mere fact that we need or want a robot to do it implies that the human form does not lend itself to the task.

    1. Re:The anthropomorphic interface is a bad idea. by Adelle · · Score: 1

      The whole point of automation is that it can do things that are difficult for us to do by hand.

      Or things that are unpleasant or that there aren't enough people willing to do for money. Arguably, interacting with people who can't use a word processor might fall into one of those categories.

    2. Re:The anthropomorphic interface is a bad idea. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      Just because you don't enjoy interacting with certain people doesn't mean that there aren't lots of people who do. It's a solution without a problem as far as I'm concerned.

    3. Re:The anthropomorphic interface is a bad idea. by Calphool · · Score: 1

      mosb1000,

      It's really simple to explain actually. As you mentioned, there are some tasks that people aren't good at. I think you're referring to the obvious, no-brainer tasks that work well with machines (crushing cars, welding fenders on perfectly, or soldering 2000 resistors on a PCB without making a mistake).

      However, simply extend your argument (people aren't good at doing some tasks) a little further. People aren't necessarily good at doing all kinds of things -- cleaning the house, cooking, changing bed sheets on a regular basis, ironing, taking shirts to the dry cleaner and picking them up, washing all the other clothes on a schedule, vacuuming the floor on a regular basis, steam cleaning the rugs from time to time, etc.

      These are rather mundane tasks that people aren't necessarily very good at, or rather, it's sort of a waste of human potential to spend lots of time doing those things. They're of high urgency but very very low importance. Tasks like that almost beg for anthropomorphized automatons (or an underclass of people, which doesn't sound very nice at all.)

      People should be freed up to focus on high importance tasks, with varying degrees of urgency, and that's what the robotic visionaries intend. I'm not saying I think they'll be successful, or that I necessarily agree, but that's their logic, and it has a certain appeal to it.

      Clippy, on the other hand, was a complete and utter waste of human talent.

    4. Re:The anthropomorphic interface is a bad idea. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      If you want to make a robot to perform a mundane task, there is no good reason to make it look human. Human's have a lot of capabilities that robots don't need. These features are difficult to implement, and complicated. They are also rarely the best solution, humans are more of a swiss-army knife of functionality.

      I guess what I'm saying is that we already have the one-size fits all solution (people) and it doesn't make sense to replace that.

      Also, trying to replace human interaction with automation is creepy. I would say someone who wants to do that almost certainly has some issues they need to work out.

    5. Re:The anthropomorphic interface is a bad idea. by Adelle · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that it's better for robots to work the help desk, just that it's inevitable if the droids can do a good enough job for less money than people would cost.

    6. Re:The anthropomorphic interface is a bad idea. by QuietObserver · · Score: 1

      Personally, I can think of at least a few practical uses of anthropomorphic robots, though they won't become genuinely useful until some distant time in our future.

      Translation is one thing computers could do far better than humans if a machine with enough power to manage the task was created to be specialized enough; C-3PO from Star Wars is a good example of how this might work, since he could translate just about anything he heard for those around him (yes, he is fictional, but he's still a good template for what we might be able to accomplish).

      Helping us understand ourselves, as a species, better is another thing anthropomorphic robots are already doing; Nova (the PBS science program) has shown such experiments at work in at least one episode I can think of. The experiments may not yet be as beneficial as other studies are, but they have been helpful.

      Admittedly, there are many things people have tried to do in the anthropomorphic robot field that are completely useless, but to dismiss the science as a whole because of a few poorly implemented failures is, in my opinion, short sighted.

    7. Re:The anthropomorphic interface is a bad idea. by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

      I don't see any benefit to a "protocol" droid being human-shaped. Almost all of it's parts would be completely un-necessary.

      The research robot I can see, but it is still totally creepy. As long as there's a reason it HAS to look human, it makes sense. But otherwise, it does not.

      My complaint is more against those people who seem obsessed with building a slave army of human-looking robots to magically perform all our work for us. It just seems to me that only a severely disturbed person would want to make a human-looking machine to carry out mundane work for them, especially given the extra expense and difficulty involved.

  67. Re:The Weirding Way by philspear · · Score: 1

    My god... twitter IS clippy!!! (dun-dun-DUNN!!!)

  68. Re:early post by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

    As I was leaving, [...] pasty white guy, goat*s*e, walked in [...] He looked like a real fag.

    What the... he walks around like that??? :O

  69. Clippy is conclusive evidence by Runaway1956 · · Score: 0

    that watching Disney animations will rot a child's mind

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  70. Re: Long Live Animations! by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Clippy was silly only because they mixed bad animation with bad scripts.

    If this was customizeable it would rule.

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  71. It is NOT a bad idea by melted · · Score: 1

    It's just way ahead of its time, and it wasn't very "smart".

    Face it, today's software packages are so complicated that a "joe sixpack" user not only doesn't use more than 5% of their features - he doesn't even know those features are there.

    As AI advances, it will become possible to figure out exactly what user is doing and provide highly contextual assistance, possibly in response to a spoken question. I.e. in Excel you just say "how do I highlight negative cells in column C in pink?" and it just shows you how to do it or (gasp) just does it for you.

    I am often reminded of the misery of "regular" users when I use various CAD packages. Those would benefit from some AI and heavily contextual help.

  72. Re:My son is scared at night because of Clippy by miknix · · Score: 2, Funny

    My 5 year old son is scared at night because Clippy is under the bed.

    True story, he told me.

  73. Re:The Weirding Way by cpicon92 · · Score: 0

    Normally I would agree with you, but what this guy did was way funnier. I never expected the twist at the end.

  74. MS thought it was a great feature... by faraday_cage · · Score: 1

    I was involved heavily in end-user training when Office 97 came out, and we were all flown to Sydney to listen to some dude from MS to 'train' us in all the 'important' features of the 'groundbreaking' release of Office 97. The features they focussed on were none of the important ones that end-users truly asked questions about, but I recall them very heavily pushing these clippy assistants.

    Back at that time the idea of net meeting, video conferencing and remote connection were the 'in' thing. We were all basically told that we would become totally redundant as trainers, because we were going to be replaced by these 'just in time' training tools. All training would be delivered by computer, and nobody would ever need a full time trainer again. (Roll ahead 12 years and I'm still working in face-to-face training, but that's not the point of this reply). I believe Microsoft thought that people wanted this 'just in time' (JIT - seriously, that's what they called it) interface to work - they wanted us to spend hours teaching people how to use it.

    Seriously, the first question any of us asked was 'how do you turn it off'. We got lectured by the MS person as to why turning it off was akin to trying to bring about the end of the world. I recall that in every basic user class we had (and some more advanced levels) the question 'how do you turn it off' was asked an inordinate number of times, at least until Office 2007.

  75. The true source of Clippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is/was Microsoft Bob, their failed (horribly) attempt at making a "better" UI for windows users with zero computer experience. If you've ever seen a demo of Bob, then the moment you saw clippy, the dog in xp, etc, you knew the source.

    They are further proof of the fact that ms believes that they know better than you do what you want to do, and they could not accept that Bob was not the be-all-and-end-all of user interface designs, so they simply inserted some small bits of Bob into their other programs in the form of clippy and the search dog, etc. This was probably from a thought process that went "Bob is the next best thing since sliced bread, but maybe it just was too overwhelming, so lets insert a little bit of Bob and gradually work the users over to our way of thinking." The learned, of course, that it wasn't that Bob was overwhelming, it was that Bob was simply wrong for anyone older than the age of four. But they could not accept that fact, for they, being MS, know best, and so, here we are, with clippy and the xp search dog.

  76. Clippy in the News by triso · · Score: 1
  77. Post-Clippyism by anothermuse · · Score: 1

    The movie "Until the End of the World" has an entertaining scene where a Russian search agent took on the shape of a Bear that was prowling around 3D representation of different buildings, which in turn represented different agencies and thus different databases, while muttering in a bearish voice: "Searching ... stiiiillllleee searching". This was in 1991. It was hilarious! There were other avatars, as well, and they all had different personalities that matched the person using them. This is not, some irritating marketing guy deciding what persona that you would like, along with the rest of the world. Think Tamaguci with a difference; collaborative filtering on a personal scale.

    For instance, my avatar would be a cockroach that I could squash with a satisfying crunch - before it would wait and skitter away. Even better if I could fry it with my iPhone G4's sonic iLighter. But, that's merely my own preference. Your preferred skin may be a bash window, Paris Hilton in prison stripes, or both.

    To each their own.

  78. Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup, I remember that. The ladies around 40 stereotype in GP's post is certainly not true. But rationally speaking, there was little use for it. I just dragged it to a corner of the screen on some empty toolbar space where it would sleep and occasionally pop up when a dialog box opened. Not much different than those little window companion toys. And it only worked because I used Word almost always maximized or in fullscreen, making the unused area predictable. System wide it would just have gotten in the way, I think.

  79. Re: Long Live Animations! by Fieryphoenix · · Score: 1

    Yeah, that would be so awesome if I could hear him say "It looks like you're trying to attach two pieces of paper together. Maybe I can help?".

  80. Ahead of their time by oprahwinfree · · Score: 1

    I will go out on a limb here and say that the digital assistant is an idea that is yet to be fully realized.

    Clippy, or something like it will be a regular feature of computers years from now. With improved AI, processing power, speech recognition, always on Internet connections and better search engines a virtual assistant will be able to really do something for users other than annoy them.

    People who aren't nerds/geeks//. readers would likely find comfort in having a "little man" in the computer that can talk to them and understand what tasks they would like it to perform. Heck, if its good enough even /. readers might want one on their desktops, too.

  81. Re:The Weirding Way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not funny. My brother died that way.

  82. You kid, but... by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    > ..find a lawyer for when Microsoft claims this violates their copyright?

    You kid, but I remember reading some version of the MS Agent EULA that said you couldn't use Clippy or any of the other agents to "disparage Microsoft."

    So you could add violating the EULA to the copyright claims...

  83. What are the complaints about Vista? by rakslice · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I see this comment a lot, and I suppose that many average Windows users don't see the seams and can't figure out what the fuss is about.

    From my point of view as someone who has used Windows heavily for almost two decades, 2007-08 in Microsoft land has been the perfect storm of poor user experience for power users.

    Here are the factors:

    VISTA
    - The configuration dialog shell game that we've come to expect with every new Windows release
    - Deeper UI changes to features that I use several times a minute (e.g. alt-tab ordering, language cycling shortcuts) that had previously worked fine the way they were since Windows 95 or before; I'm not sure if Vista's UI designers knew what they were getting rid of
    - RAM usage that's off the hook and weird paging performance, thus the push to the x64 version
    - The x64 version's remaining hardware and software compatibility issues
    - Just general brokenness around configuration behaviour (e.g. language settings), hardware-related functionality (e.g. built-in burning with -RW disks), and general system behaviour (why would it ever make sense to launch the task manager minimized when the task bar becomes unresponsive at the drop of a hat when an app isn't responding?) that ultimately should have been found in testing and fixed before the product got out the door
    - I'm sure there are things I'm forgetting about here.
    - With all the risk taking with the UI, why not also address underlying OS problems that have been around for years (e.g. mysteriously in-use files getting in the way of deletes and ejecting USB drives, the buggy aforementioned built-in burning?)
    - The icing on the cake: Microsoft choosing to stubbornly phase out XP, so most OEM buyers and most corporate buyers are stuck with Vista for new installs even if they (or their staff) would prefer XP. Microsoft's pacing is really what took the patchable brokenness and the performance problems from being theoretical issues to real ones for power users.

    OFFICE 2007
    - Although not a reason to knock Vista, this is certainly part of the perfect storm, since like Vista, Office 2007 throws out a bunch of the previous product's tried-and-true UI (the whole menu structure) and rethinks it, and MS has taken the same approach to phasing it in as for Vista, so for new installs, it's just as unavoidable as Vista. Because it largely works properly and performs OK (cynical view: higher unit price -> more exhaustive testing?,) and because I can at least come up with plausible explanations for all of the UI changes they made, it's not quite as hard a pill for me to swallow as Vista but still another layer of icing on the cake.

    So yeah...

    I realize that I'm being a snooty power user here. Not everyone wants or needs backwards compatibility. And although the $100+ retail sticker price and huge market share of Windows suggest that MS should spend a lot on testing, the realities of OEM pricing and keeping the shareholders happy mean that MS has to stretch their usability testing dollar a long way. So, power-user oriented features with limited appeal must get the short end of the stick.

    On that note, there are things that Vista has done right:
    - The layer of awful networking wizards are a highly nuanced topic in themselves, but despite being harder to avoid than the ones in XP, they seem to have more informative automated functionality and that's ultimately a win
    - The search box on the start menu is a killer power-user feature (even if I was going to use Launchy anyway)
    - The more detailed performance monitoring in the Task Manager as well as the Performance control panel/snap-in is impressive
    - You'll note that I haven't mentioned User Account Control (UAC) in the minuses... That's because, despite the warts (e.g. tapping my fingers while a low priority process waits to redraw the whole screen that it has just taken over) I think UAC is a real security improvement for power users and has been sorely needed for a long time... BUT I can certainly understand that for averag

    1. Re:What are the complaints about Vista? by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      (why would it ever make sense to launch the task manager minimized when the task bar becomes unresponsive at the drop of a hat when an app isn't responding?) that ultimately should have been found in testing and fixed before the product got out the door

      *Walks up to the podium*

      Whoa, whoa! Remember, they've only been working on Vista for the past 8ish years. You can't expect them to fix and implement *everything* in that short amount of time.

      Let's look at some of the wonder features they've packed in over the past 8 years.

      WinFS - Your filesystem is actually a database. Can you imagine how much time it takes to convert your operating systems IO API calls to get/set data from a SQL server? Dealing with full-text searching, writing conversion utilities to move from FAT32 or NTFS to WINFS, handling security, locking, etc... That's a lot of work.

      Wha? They didn't? Oh.

      Someone just told me that WinFS didn't actually make it into Vista. Sorry.

      That's ok--we can always look at Enhanced IE - Ballmer said there would be a version of IE that's much better than IE 7 in Vista. It would have enhanced parental controls, better integration, and...what? Really? Shit. Uh, now I'm being told that they apparently just shipped Vista with IE7.

      Well--what about palladium? It's supposed to be the "next generation" in secure computing and all that. I'm sure Microsoft devs spent years writing tons of code, while other devs spent years reviewing the security of it all to make sure your documen...What? You're kidd... *sigh* Ok--I guess palladium was nixed too.

      Well, they certainly spent a lot of time making the interface look 'flashy' and shuffling a bunch of stuff around so you spend weeks re-learning where things are after the upgrade.

      Oh--and they spent a lot of time taking stuff out too. Old code like HyperTerminal, the Messenger service, the 'Luna' theme, device profiles, IP over firewire, and IPX/SPX support.

      Hell, no one ever uses terminal programs anymore. And the messenger service was only used by admins to send snarky popups to users from remote.

      So quit your Vista bashin'. It took 8 years to rewrite the graphics system to support a 'flashy' interface that you spend weeks re-learning, and to remove some useful code. I'd like to see anyone else do better.

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    2. Re:What are the complaints about Vista? by QuietObserver · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the great laugh.

    3. Re:What are the complaints about Vista? by QuietObserver · · Score: 1

      Just thought I'd make a few brief comments about a few other con factors I've dealt with supporting ISP customers using Vista:

      1 - INETWIZ (Internet Connection Wizard) is no longer present. I'll be one of the first to say INETWIZ had its major faults (such as making "Use area code and dialing rules" the default and making the default connection name "Connection to" and the phone number), but it was one of the most straight forward interfaces Microsoft ever created, and changed little (if at all) between versions. The "Make New Connection" wizards have always been overly complex for creating simple internet connections.

      2 - The only way to create a desktop shortcut for a new connection is in "Network Connections", and I have yet to find any way of accessing the Network Connections window quickly (it can take a minute or more to direct a customers through all of the menagerie of menu options necessary to get there). In Windows XP, I can simply direct a customer to "Connect to", and create the shortcut in menu, but there is no such method in Vista.

      3 - "Connect to" and the default connection interface is useless for technicians. Despite the age and pitifully slow speed of dial-up, there are still thousands (if not millions) of dial-up customers in the United States, and when those customers cannot connect, they do *not*, with very few exceptions, want to wade through the "troubleshooting" interface, which seems incapable of detecting such errors as "Invalid Username or Password" or "The Line is Busy". This forces me to direct these customers to their dialers, which is why it's vital that a shortcut to the connection be created on the desktop for any customer using Vista. No previous version of Windows gave me as much difficulty in troubleshooting a customer's connection issue than Vista.

      I also have complaints about IE7's new interface, but I think these three are sufficient. Of course, I don't own Vista myself, and will never purchase the OS for personal use (I've switched to Ubuntu and Mac OS X), and I personally detest Microsoft Office, so most of my observations are based on second hand experience, and trying to figure out what I need to direct my customers to do using the Vista test machine at our office.

  84. Re:The Weirding Way by ZosX · · Score: 1

    A troll I have never seen and a truly great one to boot! Its going to be a great new year!

  85. openoffice.org? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If everyone hates clippy so much, I wonder why the OpenOffice.org has assistant too? And yes, last time I checked - it was on by default.

    1. Re:openoffice.org? by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      Because OO seems to be going down the same drain, too.

      I have "upgraded" to version 3 a few days back. Then I did my first copy/paste from some web pages into writer, and was greeted by an explosion of dozens of post-it like notes all over the screen that told me that I just pasted all this stuff.

      That was my second "WTF?? how to I turn this crap OFF !!!" moment I ever had while running Linux and FOSS.

      (The first one being the screen blanking that always needs quite some fiddling to finally be completely off when I install a new box, since it always seems to be triggered from different places again in the console, Xorg, and the window manager)

  86. But I like the search dog! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clippy always annoyed me (as did his other incarnations), but I think the search doggy is cute and fun. The problem I always had with the Clippy stuff was that anything I needed help with, he was actually pretty obnoxious to get an answer out of, PLUS he sat there cycling animations when I was doing work, which I didn't actually like. Whereas the search dog comes up when you press the search button, and he always asks the same thing- the cartoon just serves as a graphical grounding for your mouse.

    I dunno, the dog always struck me as a little animated assistant done correctly.

  87. SFRB by greg_barton · · Score: 1

    When I worked at Microsoft id Access tech support back in 94-95 we had a name for the animated office assistant: SFRB

    Stupid Fucking Red Ball

  88. A Clippy story by danwesnor · · Score: 1

    A story I directly heard from an (at the time) Microsofty who was on the Word team and allegedly in the room when it was demoed to Bill:

    Bill took one look at it and said "How do I get rid of the f***ing paper clip."

    Little did he know, that would be the most popular Google search that year.

  89. Avatars in Instructional Design by stewbacca · · Score: 1

    The inclusion of avatars is a sound technique backed by 15+ years of research when it comes to e-learning. It is a totally acceptable (and even expected) tool of sound instructional design. The problem with Microsoft is they took it out of the realm of e-learning and put it in your face every moment of every computer function.

  90. The damn dog by El_Oscuro · · Score: 2, Informative

    At work, we recently "upgraded" from Win2k to XP, and I got my first experience with the dog. We deployed a release to production which had a bug in it, and I needed to find all references to the broken routine *FAST*. So I called up the handy-dandy search screen with the cute little mutt and put in the text I wanted to find in the files. No matches. WTF? Did I spell it wrong? No. There was 1 file I knew had it, so I opened it, found the text and than ran the same search again against that 1 file. Still didn't find it. OK, so search for text within files doesn't work.

    I later found out that the search for text with in a file only works with .TXT files (I mean, no-one would ever want to search another type of file, right?). You can get it to work with the following, easy procedure:

    "To configure Windows XP to search all files no matter what the file type, obtain the latest service pack for Windows XP and then turn on the Index file types with unknown extensions option.

    If you use this method, Windows XP searches all file types for the text that you specify. This can affect the performance of the search functionality. To do this:

    1. Click Start, and then click Search (or point to Search, and then click For Files or Folders).
    2. Click Change preferences, and then click With Indexing Service (for faster local searches).
    3. Click Change Indexing Service Settings (Advanced). Note that you do not have to turn on the Index service.
    4. On the toolbar, click Show/Hide Console Tree.
    5. In the left pane, right-click Indexing Service on Local Machine, and then click Properties.
    6. On the Generation tab, click to select the Index files with unknown extensions check box, and then click OK.
    7. Close the Indexing Service console.

    Important This section, method, or task contains steps that tell you how to modify the registry. However, serious problems might occur if you modify the registry incorrectly. Therefore, make sure that you follow these steps carefully. For added protection, back up the registry before you modify it. Then, you can restore the registry if a problem occurs. For more information about how to back up and restore the registry, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:

    322756 (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322756/ ) How to back up and restore the registry in Windows

    Network administrators can configure this setting by modifying the registry. To do this, set the FilterFilesWithUnknownExtensions DWORD value to 1 in the following registry key:

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\ContentIndex"

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    1. Re:The damn dog by rhendershot · · Score: 1

      I don't have mod points but +1 Informational. I never understood why search wasn't finding files and fell back to cygwin with grep.

      The Search Desktop 4.0 has not changed that perspective.

  91. Standard Slashdot knowledge? by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    I thought it was standard Slashdot knowledge that those projects were personal children of Melinda Gates, the secretary Bill fell in love with and married. As far as I heard, she came up with MS Bob, Clippy, and so on. (Female urge to help. Good intention. Bad execution.) And because he loved her so much, he could not tell her what a load of crap she produced. So he tried to help an support her. You can go real big, if your man has 100 billion, is the boss of a huge company, and does everything for you.

    And that's how little Bob and Clippy were born.

    Luckily, there came a time, when he was able to tell her.
    It's strange, imagining this side of Bill... At least he got a girl.
    Imagine an SM relationship with Ballmer instead. THAT would make for a fucked up version of Windows and Office.

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  92. Re: Long Live Animations! by ThatGuyJon · · Score: 1

    He was customizable (kinda). You could control what he said with VBA scripts.

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