Fairly untrue. I have full hardware support, just a broken bios. The only thing I have a "separate" version of is Firefox, so I can run flash. Everything else works just fine as 32 bit packages on a 64 bit distro through compatibility libraries (ia32 I want to say, but I don't have my installed package list in front of me as I'm on my Windblows box at work).
What were you trying to install on? There are several problems on laptops that can be solved with a bootline option or two (I had to do this on an amd64 HP lappy).
When you say AMD64 and not exotic in the same sentence, you're kidding yourself btw. Nothing has shaken out as standard in the chipsets or BIOS's yet. That's why you have a little tweaky tweaky (esp since there are some MANY damned broken BIOS's out there).
My fiance lost two CD wallets full of un-backed up CD's that were ALL unreplacable old local music. She still hates the fact that she didn't burn them off and keep backups in the car. Jackass stole her stereo and 200 CD's he'd never listen to (stolen in California, music from Omaha, NE)
which i let my firewall worry about. If you're running an X session on it, you're not terribly security minded. So why not just have it firewalled to crap and not worry.
Wouldn't a load time advantage have a LOT more to do with USE flags reducing binary size on Gentoo, not with your march?
march has been shown to make (as already stated) VERY little difference on modern processors, but having USE flags that chop out large chunks of a binary that is fully loaded off disk into memory (the process you're using as your yardstick) would accomplish that.
Yet another clueless Gentoo user, I know, I used to be one. Then I realized that the 1.5 seconds I was saving getting into OO.o was far offset by trying to figure out why the latest portage tree broke wget and didn't complete.
Can't spend all my time making my system work.. rather work with my system.
I have more of an ad-hock flashblock, its called linux amd64 firefox. I can boot up a 32 bit browser for those few sites that deserve flash, but it doesn't have a build for my mainstream browser.:)
Thats' actually not true. I've noticed quite a difference since starting to use adblock. The fact is, your mind remembers everything you see, and advertising has become so pervasive in this society that your opinions and views are somebody else's.
With the advent of TiVo and Adblock, I very rarely consume advertising content, and I find myself interested in other things besides soda, beer, video games, and the all pervasive sexual content.
Live in the fishbowl if you want to, but freeing yourself from commercialized outside messages is quite relaxing.
So OpenSuSE and CentOS are free as in beer. SLED, SLES, and Redhat's products are free as in freedom, but not beer. When you have to jump through hoops to get it, can't redistribute the ENTIRE thing, and can't receive updates... well I digress.
I know that. I was oversimplifying. That's HOW you make money from performing. I mentioned exactly that later in the post, but attributed it only to big label artists. My bad.
That's why most artists (independent or not) make their money from performing. CD's and recordings should be used (just like the radio) to promote those performances.
What you are witnessing is the death of a bad business model.
Most big label artists make most of their money from T-Shirts and Swag sold at the concerts themselves.
Please stop with the Linuzzz trollzzz. It is pretty stupid. If you "don't care" so much, why do you make Linuzzz trollzzz every time there's an article about Linux getting some exposure? Makes it seem like you care.
"One more time... some of the customers for Open Group Unix compatibility test-suites are major Linux distributions. Which begs the question: Why would they do that if they see no value in a Unix certification or have no ambition to be compliant?"
Using the test suites is a great way to test for compliance without paying the money for the copyrighted names. Noone said that compatibility was a bad thing. Paying for the name Unix, however, is rather worthless.
Well, we're currently moving off of all of those platforms. As are many people I talk to at other companies.
Sun came out hat in hand and moved toward GPL because Solaris took such a beating in the academic (read there historical target market) community at the hands of Linux.
Linux hasn't bothered with a Unix cert, because the various distro's feel they're more competitive not wasting the money, and instead showing what the OS can do in your application by letting you deploy it (mostly for free if you have the knowhow).
As to why I mentioned OS X vs Linux is covered in the little title at the top of your browser.
Ok, now that that's out of the way, make a cost argument in a large deployment that somehow favors OS X over Linux on commodity cluster hardware even given some development time with folks that are used to using Unix.
Didn't think so. (hint: this is why we are seeing the death of HP-UX in larger server apps, and the business isn't going to OS X)
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Fairly untrue. I have full hardware support, just a broken bios. The only thing I have a "separate" version of is Firefox, so I can run flash. Everything else works just fine as 32 bit packages on a 64 bit distro through compatibility libraries (ia32 I want to say, but I don't have my installed package list in front of me as I'm on my Windblows box at work).
What were you trying to install on? There are several problems on laptops that can be solved with a bootline option or two (I had to do this on an amd64 HP lappy).
When you say AMD64 and not exotic in the same sentence, you're kidding yourself btw. Nothing has shaken out as standard in the chipsets or BIOS's yet. That's why you have a little tweaky tweaky (esp since there are some MANY damned broken BIOS's out there).
My fiance lost two CD wallets full of un-backed up CD's that were ALL unreplacable old local music. She still hates the fact that she didn't burn them off and keep backups in the car. Jackass stole her stereo and 200 CD's he'd never listen to (stolen in California, music from Omaha, NE)
You are single-handedly destroying (with your carpet bomb Ron Paul spam) any chance Ron Paul had with this crowd. I hope you're proud!
and the easy answer would be, I use Ubuntu :)
which i let my firewall worry about. If you're running an X session on it, you're not terribly security minded. So why not just have it firewalled to crap and not worry.
Yes, it will install dependencies for you, but with broadband, and 100G hard drives, I just don't care. :)
Don't know if it comes with it, but is it easy to remove?
:)
sudo apt-get remove mono
Is it easy to install if it's not there?
sudo apt-get install mono.
You're not the only package manager on the block portage
Wouldn't a load time advantage have a LOT more to do with USE flags reducing binary size on Gentoo, not with your march?
march has been shown to make (as already stated) VERY little difference on modern processors, but having USE flags that chop out large chunks of a binary that is fully loaded off disk into memory (the process you're using as your yardstick) would accomplish that.
Yet another clueless Gentoo user, I know, I used to be one. Then I realized that the 1.5 seconds I was saving getting into OO.o was far offset by trying to figure out why the latest portage tree broke wget and didn't complete.
Can't spend all my time making my system work.. rather work with my system.
... and hasn't been updated since May....
Damn, no love for the funny karma whoring
Is it just me, or should the parent be modded funny and not troll... ?
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I have more of an ad-hock flashblock, its called linux amd64 firefox. I can boot up a 32 bit browser for those few sites that deserve flash, but it doesn't have a build for my mainstream browser. :)
Thats' actually not true. I've noticed quite a difference since starting to use adblock. The fact is, your mind remembers everything you see, and advertising has become so pervasive in this society that your opinions and views are somebody else's.
With the advent of TiVo and Adblock, I very rarely consume advertising content, and I find myself interested in other things besides soda, beer, video games, and the all pervasive sexual content.
Live in the fishbowl if you want to, but freeing yourself from commercialized outside messages is quite relaxing.
Yes,
So OpenSuSE and CentOS are free as in beer. SLED, SLES, and Redhat's products are free as in freedom, but not beer. When you have to jump through hoops to get it, can't redistribute the ENTIRE thing, and can't receive updates... well I digress.
*BSD is not "Free as in Speech" but Linux is. And they're both also (most of them anyhow) "Free as in Beer".
Obviously Redhat and SuSE are not "Free as in Beer".
I know that. I was oversimplifying. That's HOW you make money from performing. I mentioned exactly that later in the post, but attributed it only to big label artists. My bad.
That's why most artists (independent or not) make their money from performing. CD's and recordings should be used (just like the radio) to promote those performances.
What you are witnessing is the death of a bad business model.
Most big label artists make most of their money from T-Shirts and Swag sold at the concerts themselves.
Live with it.
I've got a theory, we should work this out...
true `nuff.
Please stop with the Linuzzz trollzzz. It is pretty stupid. If you "don't care" so much, why do you make Linuzzz trollzzz every time there's an article about Linux getting some exposure? Makes it seem like you care.
"One more time... some of the customers for Open Group Unix compatibility test-suites are major Linux distributions. Which begs the question: Why would they do that if they see no value in a Unix certification or have no ambition to be compliant?"
Using the test suites is a great way to test for compliance without paying the money for the copyrighted names. Noone said that compatibility was a bad thing. Paying for the name Unix, however, is rather worthless.
Well, we're currently moving off of all of those platforms. As are many people I talk to at other companies.
Sun came out hat in hand and moved toward GPL because Solaris took such a beating in the academic (read there historical target market) community at the hands of Linux.
Linux hasn't bothered with a Unix cert, because the various distro's feel they're more competitive not wasting the money, and instead showing what the OS can do in your application by letting you deploy it (mostly for free if you have the knowhow).
As to why I mentioned OS X vs Linux is covered in the little title at the top of your browser.
I'd just like to start this by saying "hah".
Ok, now that that's out of the way, make a cost argument in a large deployment that somehow favors OS X over Linux on commodity cluster hardware even given some development time with folks that are used to using Unix.
Didn't think so. (hint: this is why we are seeing the death of HP-UX in larger server apps, and the business isn't going to OS X)