Talk about it from your phonological perspective all you like, but no one actually said anything within this thread that disagreed with your point. There was one statement that said
You think Koreans are Japanese?
Koreans can pronounce 'r' just fine.
Which implies Japanese have difficulties pronouncing 'r', which they do. To say that the English 'r' exists in Japanese is completely stupid, because it simply doesn't. Their 'r' is somewhere between an English 'l' and 'd' and an Italian/Spanish/(some parts of UK) 'r'. Not to mention that it varies in different parts of Japan, in some places being almost exactly like our 'l'.
Your point about sound mapping was somewhat correct, but you equated things that were not equal. Yes, of course, it is very difficult to learn new sounds that one did not grow up hearing around them - but it's not even fully for that reason that Japanese mix up 'l's and 'r's, and yes, they mix them up and swap them around (well, I know a lot of Japanese that don't but...). It is in effect, both the sound they knew, and the sound they had to learn that are the problem. Yes, they have trouble distinguishing them. Is it all 'l's fault? No.
So by all means, approach it from your "phonological perspective", but that's what we were doing anyway. We were talking about the sound were we not? Or did you mean from an academic perspective? Yes, I too can be an egocentric fool, and completely misinterpret what others are saying. Yes, I can insult people too! Man, I like myself even more now.
Mangled... That's very linguacentric of you! Anyhow, it would be hard to believe that the speech of New (England | Zealand) were related for that reason, because NZ was settled by the British in 1840, ~220 years after NE.
I don't actually know much on the subject, but the fact that New England produced so much literature and philosophy, while NZ produced meat and wool (and still does, haha) would suggest different levels of education, and therefore different parts of society for the early settlers.
Interesting point though - I might even bother to find out. One day. Maybe.
A lot of native English accents (such as New Zealand) also do not pronounce the 'r' at the end of words such as "hear", which often comes out as something like/hia/. In fact most New Zealanders also do not pronounce/l/ at the end of words like "school" unless followed by a vowel at the start of the next word. Instead it is often replaced with a/w/, a/j/ (where/j/ pronounced like in a German "ja") or replaced with nothing.
Take a chill pill ^.O I was the one being hypocritical, I was making what some would call a joke ~ albeit with my weird et sarcastic sense of humour ^.^
:-P kekeke
And yes, I agree that it is silly to complain about a story that a lot of people would find interesting - read something else! But insults do not the world turn.
One of the most annoying things about Slashdot is people who post to a comment questioning its relevance or quality.
If you think the comment shouldn't have been posted:
- Why did you read it?
- Why did you write a reply? Did you think people care about your opinion on comments so much that you needed to post?
- What's wrong with simply discussing the relevance of the story? This is a nerd site.
The explosion of surveillance is due to people wanting less crime, it is not due to people wanting less privacy. The fact that a bunch of rich people have stood up for their privacy is good. Lets hope the poor people can do it too. Unfortunately, poor people are probably more focussed on getting money, rather than caring about whether their life is private. The rich people have the time, and money, to care about other things.
Poor people would normally tend to care more about when they can get their next meal, rather than whether their house is on the Internet.
I find it funny that Westerners are so focussed on freedoms and rights: and expecting non-Western countries to have the same things. But it makes sense. Westerners are rich. Remember you only have as many rights as society gives you. Fight for more rights? Good for you. Happy with your lot? That's good too.
It's not just rich people that feel entitled to special treatment. They're just more capable of ensuring special treatment. Good for them. There's also a lot of rich people that fight for better treatment of poorer people. That's kind, not a given, be grateful for them.
If I were that general, I would make sure that gun #2 was tested. Anyhow, Firefox is very well tested, and even better than IE, it is possible to see a list of every bug ever reported, which are fixed, and which are not. If I were a general, I would also know how to capitalise my sentences properly.
I trust anything more than FOX. I would trust a bible bashing, gun toting, right wing, 5000 year old Earth creationist's views on evolution more than I would ever trust FOX.
I switched to FOX by accident the other day, and there was this guy interviewing someone by phone. The interviewer looked like a weasel, the way he grinned and shook his head disbelievingly as the person being interviewed answered really intelligently and politely. I thought, what a bloody twerp! The daily show treats George Bush better than that!
Well, you see, people on Slashdot don't have girlfriends... so if girlfriends were shared, that could very well benefit him (this Jessica Alba is obviously a male).
They're associated with Sony, who also own Sony BMG, part of the RIAA, and installed rootkits on lots of unaware users' computers. That's all I can remember I'm sure they've done other things too.
Seeing as you already paid for the games, wouldn't it be within your rights to pay a friend to download a pirated version of the games you already own for you?
I did it!!! It only took 20 min!! Yay!! I didn't actually know about frames, so thanks for enlightening me... However, it does take a lot more effort than it does in CSS or MS Word
Depends how you define better. Yes, it's better in some ways, such as, more regular sentence constructs, verb forms, etc. But then you have to learn, not only about 2000 Kanji, but also about 99 Hiragana and 99 Katakana, which are the same as Hiragana except they're different, but that's a useful thing in itself, because it lets one know instantly that a word is borrowed, and the Kanji are nice too, because they can reduce reading synonyms accidentally, and...
English is nice because (IMO) it is more descriptive than most other languages, in general, although other languages are more descriptive for certain things. One thing I don't like is the number of words spelt the same, but said differently, or said the same and spelt differently, but then Kanji vs. pronunciation can be like that too (i.e. two Kanji pronounced the same, and two readins for the same Kanji). In Chinese, there is only one reading for a Hanzi character, but there are several characters for certain pronunciation, i.e. there are more symbols in Chinese than there are possible syllables (including the tones).
I've lost myself now, which language did I say was better? Ah fuck it, I like Korean, personally. But then on the other hand, it doesn't have a "v" sound, and that is one of my p'abourite sounds. Oh p'uck it! Oh, and none of the Asian languages have the same 'r' as English. Then not even all English use the same 'r', ahhhhhGHHGHGHIHEILGH#Y(^&#%(*&*#%
"Yeah, that's because you are typing it in the wrong layout. For me, all the the's roll right out."
Kjak,a; kjd ms;k;kfrgh od;rsl;d,jgij G isfph rs;;gnpt gmauglde
The variants of Qwerty are referred to as variants of Qwerty. What you say is neither insightful nor true. Just like American English is a (well several actually) variant of English, but it is still called English, not American.
Reading comprehension fail for you, "Latin languages" is a way of referring to the romance languages, such as French and Spanish, which both have 'y's in them.
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Ah! Typical prima donna "I know everythingism".
Talk about it from your phonological perspective all you like, but no one actually said anything within this thread that disagreed with your point. There was one statement that said
You think Koreans are Japanese?
Koreans can pronounce 'r' just fine.
Which implies Japanese have difficulties pronouncing 'r', which they do. To say that the English 'r' exists in Japanese is completely stupid, because it simply doesn't. Their 'r' is somewhere between an English 'l' and 'd' and an Italian/Spanish/(some parts of UK) 'r'. Not to mention that it varies in different parts of Japan, in some places being almost exactly like our 'l'.
Your point about sound mapping was somewhat correct, but you equated things that were not equal. Yes, of course, it is very difficult to learn new sounds that one did not grow up hearing around them - but it's not even fully for that reason that Japanese mix up 'l's and 'r's, and yes, they mix them up and swap them around (well, I know a lot of Japanese that don't but...). It is in effect, both the sound they knew, and the sound they had to learn that are the problem. Yes, they have trouble distinguishing them. Is it all 'l's fault? No.
So by all means, approach it from your "phonological perspective", but that's what we were doing anyway. We were talking about the sound were we not? Or did you mean from an academic perspective? Yes, I too can be an egocentric fool, and completely misinterpret what others are saying. Yes, I can insult people too! Man, I like myself even more now.
Mangled... That's very linguacentric of you! Anyhow, it would be hard to believe that the speech of New (England | Zealand) were related for that reason, because NZ was settled by the British in 1840, ~220 years after NE.
I don't actually know much on the subject, but the fact that New England produced so much literature and philosophy, while NZ produced meat and wool (and still does, haha) would suggest different levels of education, and therefore different parts of society for the early settlers.
Interesting point though - I might even bother to find out. One day. Maybe.
And more than likely, their own missiles.
Meh. They can just ask the dolphins.
A lot of native English accents (such as New Zealand) also do not pronounce the 'r' at the end of words such as "hear", which often comes out as something like /hia/. In fact most New Zealanders also do not pronounce /l/ at the end of words like "school" unless followed by a vowel at the start of the next word. Instead it is often replaced with a /w/, a /j/ (where /j/ pronounced like in a German "ja") or replaced with nothing.
Actually Korean does have spaces between words. The Chinese and Japanese don't.
Take a chill pill ^.O I was the one being hypocritical, I was making what some would call a joke ~ albeit with my weird et sarcastic sense of humour ^.^
:-P kekeke
And yes, I agree that it is silly to complain about a story that a lot of people would find interesting - read something else! But insults do not the world turn.
One of the most annoying things about Slashdot is people who post to a comment questioning its relevance or quality.
If you think the comment shouldn't have been posted:
- Why did you read it?
- Why did you write a reply? Did you think people care about your opinion on comments so much that you needed to post?
- What's wrong with simply discussing the relevance of the story? This is a nerd site.
Hypocrisy FTW!!
You just encrypted your house, not his house. That is if I'm understanding pronouns correctly.
The explosion of surveillance is due to people wanting less crime, it is not due to people wanting less privacy. The fact that a bunch of rich people have stood up for their privacy is good. Lets hope the poor people can do it too. Unfortunately, poor people are probably more focussed on getting money, rather than caring about whether their life is private. The rich people have the time, and money, to care about other things.
Poor people would normally tend to care more about when they can get their next meal, rather than whether their house is on the Internet.
I find it funny that Westerners are so focussed on freedoms and rights: and expecting non-Western countries to have the same things. But it makes sense. Westerners are rich. Remember you only have as many rights as society gives you. Fight for more rights? Good for you. Happy with your lot? That's good too.
It's not just rich people that feel entitled to special treatment. They're just more capable of ensuring special treatment. Good for them. There's also a lot of rich people that fight for better treatment of poorer people. That's kind, not a given, be grateful for them.
Personally, I'm 36 ... Dedicated Cthulhu Cultist since 4523 BC.
Damn! You're pretty young for someone who's been around for so long...
If I were that general, I would make sure that gun #2 was tested. Anyhow, Firefox is very well tested, and even better than IE, it is possible to see a list of every bug ever reported, which are fixed, and which are not. If I were a general, I would also know how to capitalise my sentences properly.
Reading some of the comments here shows, that some people, when all the math is done for them, still don't get it.
I mandate that you're not quite finished with your education. And I also mandate that you pay attention whilst finishing it.
I trust anything more than FOX. I would trust a bible bashing, gun toting, right wing, 5000 year old Earth creationist's views on evolution more than I would ever trust FOX.
I switched to FOX by accident the other day, and there was this guy interviewing someone by phone. The interviewer looked like a weasel, the way he grinned and shook his head disbelievingly as the person being interviewed answered really intelligently and politely. I thought, what a bloody twerp! The daily show treats George Bush better than that!
Well, you see, people on Slashdot don't have girlfriends... so if girlfriends were shared, that could very well benefit him (this Jessica Alba is obviously a male).
They're associated with Sony, who also own Sony BMG, part of the RIAA, and installed rootkits on lots of unaware users' computers. That's all I can remember I'm sure they've done other things too.
Seeing as you already paid for the games, wouldn't it be within your rights to pay a friend to download a pirated version of the games you already own for you?
And if the entire universe was made into one giant computer, would that make any difference to what it actually is now?
I did it!!! It only took 20 min!! Yay!! I didn't actually know about frames, so thanks for enlightening me... However, it does take a lot more effort than it does in CSS or MS Word
His father must have had a lot of friends.
Depends how you define better. Yes, it's better in some ways, such as, more regular sentence constructs, verb forms, etc. But then you have to learn, not only about 2000 Kanji, but also about 99 Hiragana and 99 Katakana, which are the same as Hiragana except they're different, but that's a useful thing in itself, because it lets one know instantly that a word is borrowed, and the Kanji are nice too, because they can reduce reading synonyms accidentally, and...
English is nice because (IMO) it is more descriptive than most other languages, in general, although other languages are more descriptive for certain things. One thing I don't like is the number of words spelt the same, but said differently, or said the same and spelt differently, but then Kanji vs. pronunciation can be like that too (i.e. two Kanji pronounced the same, and two readins for the same Kanji). In Chinese, there is only one reading for a Hanzi character, but there are several characters for certain pronunciation, i.e. there are more symbols in Chinese than there are possible syllables (including the tones).
I've lost myself now, which language did I say was better? Ah fuck it, I like Korean, personally. But then on the other hand, it doesn't have a "v" sound, and that is one of my p'abourite sounds. Oh p'uck it! Oh, and none of the Asian languages have the same 'r' as English. Then not even all English use the same 'r', ahhhhhGHHGHGHIHEILGH#Y(^&#%(*&*#%
"Yeah, that's because you are typing it in the wrong layout. For me, all the the's roll right out." Kjak ,a; kjd ms;k ;kfrgh od;rsl;d ,jgij G isfph rs;;gnpt gmauglde
The variants of Qwerty are referred to as variants of Qwerty. What you say is neither insightful nor true. Just like American English is a (well several actually) variant of English, but it is still called English, not American.
Reading comprehension fail for you, "Latin languages" is a way of referring to the romance languages, such as French and Spanish, which both have 'y's in them.