He didn't say the regime "ruling Israel", he said "occupying Jerusalem". If he said he wanted to get rid of the current Israeli regime, I would take it differently. The fact he didn't refer directly to the sovereign country, but to the land, and also referred to it as an "occupying regime" as opposed to a regime, it is very obvious what is meant.
But obviously, you are right, and all the well-educated and trained diplomats who interpreted it the way I did are wrong.
Why is the USA never mentioned?? Because the NSA is behind all cyber-crimes in the world. Hacking, spamming, DDoS, Nigerian scams... It's all one big cover up!!1!11
You're obviously blind. There is a lot of virulent language against Christianity on Slashdot. I don't go and sulk in a corner or get angry because my feelings got hurt. Be a man and bear it. Or do you think my feelings as a Christian matter less than your feelings as a Chinese?
I am lead to deduce that the reason you think it is especially unfair when directed towards the Chinese government (as opposed to US/French etc.) is because you think of your race as being superior. Well get of your high horse. My Christian grouping as just as good in my opinion as your Chinese grouping. You are not a better or worse person than me, so don't think like that.
It is no less fair to bash Chinese than it is to bash Christians, or Muslims, or French or whatever. Bashing any group is wrong, and it is wrong to think one group is less or more deserving than another.
The real reason people bully any other group is because they fear that group rising above them. Take it as a compliment.
You also seem to think that China is extra-special and alone being incorrectly portrayed in media. Obviously you've never seen a Disney film where Arabs are portrayed as rats (dirty and sly), whereas Americans are portrayed as ducks (cute and playful). Or have you noticed that in American films, the evil characters very often have British accents. Nor have you noticed the portrayal of Americans in British films as being loud, crude and a bit thick in the noggin. Nor have you noticed the portrayal in Chinese films of Japanese being cowards and bad at fighting. Nor the portrayal of Russians, in Anglo/US films, being extremely violent.
If you are so ethnocentric that you think the injustices of the world are focussed on you, and that that is the most unfair thing, then maybe you should learn to start thinking about others.
I assume that Chinese forums never say anything bad about the West, or Western media, or Western people? Oh wait!
And to moot your point, most of the criticism on Slashdot is directed at the Chinese government, not the Chinese people. You should learn to make that distinction. People in the West often have a low regard for governments in general, so its no surprise they don't like the Chinese one either.
Wouldn't you rather they spent money developing cool things that haven't already been developed? Why invent the wheel twice, when you can copy it off someone else and invent the carriage?
That wasn't the problem, the Nazi's really stabilised Germany before they went on their conquering spree. The problems lay in the fact that they sure pissed of the English and a lot of people in the countries they occupied, not to mention the Gypsies, Jews, disabled persons, and homosexuals.
If I were to be oppressed, I would much rather be oppressed by one of these things than a bullet. I don't see the problem. Next up: China buys rubber bullets, news at 9.
Well, yes, there is no reason to say fuck [insert country here]. And as you said, every country has problems; it may seem unfortunate for you that currently people are focussed on China's problems, but they'll move on... Anyway, every country should accept criticism and try and learn from it, rather than denying it or fighting back.
People don't hate China in particular, there's just been a lot of news about it recently, a lot of it due to the Olympics, and that's natural. People aren't going to read the 'Fuck China' posts and suddenly agree with it. In fact, I'd say more people know more about China than ever before, and of course you're going to have numb-nuts being idiots.
Anyway, as a Christian, I get my fair share of bashing on Slashdot too. It's just something everyone has to get used to.
I don't think this site has a particular anti-China bias, it's also anti-Christian, anti-corporation, anti-Microsoft, etc. As I said, the world's focus is currently on China, so there will be more news, and bad news is always more interesting than good news. For a good reason. By pointing out bad things, we all get an opportunity to make a start towards fixing it, one action at a time.
Also, this story is about China, so you should expect things about China, and you can't expect people to go around saying lots of nice things about China, because that just isn't interesting.
I'm sure smart people are aware of a lot of good things about China. E.g. quick to react to the disaster in Sichuan, putting money towards development projects in the Pacific, making sure that the population is being fed, working hard to create more jobs, and so on.
But the point is there isn't much use in talking about good things, it's only the bad things that need to be fixed:-)
Of course, every newspaper has it's own agenda. However, the agenda of most newspapers in the West is to make money, and of course each editor/reporter also has his/her own agenda. But at least they aren't forced, and often don't follow the government line.
However, if you read a variety of Western newspapers (i.e. not just Murdoch) then you often get several different interpretations of events, allowing you to choose your own version to value over others.
Of course everyone is biased, including you, and myself. However, with a great variety of opinions fed to us (unless we stupidly choose just one news source) as a whole, we all have different opinions. Whereas most Chinese tend to have the same opinion about events, be it protests against the torch, riots in Tibet, or tariffs in Europe. This is due to all newspapers saying the same thing.
Take any significant news in the West, and even people in the same family will have different views.
And the only reason you have critical thinking is because you grew up in a society where it is valued. Being different / rebellious (thinking critically) in China is not valued. As people they are perfectly capable of it, it just gets drummed out of them at school, where just questioning a teacher is looked upon as being wrong.
You're mostly correct there. However, there is no reason to not criticise China. You should notice that their is a hell of a lot of criticism on this site directed at the US as well (often by US citizens). So it's not really unfair discrimination.
Just deform the rest of the world. Sure the places nearby China will look the wrong shape... but at least places on the other side of the world will be more or less accurate. Sure Japan will look like a left angle brace, but hey, it'd sure look cool.
Chinese have never exerted rule over Taiwan until the KMT conquered it after losing the civil war. Before then, it was inhabited by natives, who were not Chinese in any way. Of course, now, most people in Taiwan have Chinese blood. But before the KMT, no Chinese government could say they ruled over Taiwan.
Tell me one country who's borders have remained constant over the last 500 years. I don't give a flying f*ck who owns what. If people want to be independent, let them.
When doing business in a country, you follow their rules, not someone else's rules. In China you censor what the Chinese govt. says to censor, in US, you censor what US govt. says to censor.
The US has no right telling a Chinese company to censor something in China, and China has to right to tell a US company to censor something in the US. I fail to see the hypocrisy
Because it's easy, fun, and safe to point the finger at the U.S. A big fat ripe target that doesn't protest around the whole world when their feelings get hurt.
Chinese are not dumb, they can and do learn English. If the information is interesting, someone will probably translate it eventually. Of course, to reach the wider population, Chinese is needed.
3) Publish a website that shows ALL the stuff that China does not want their citizens to see/read/hear so that the entire rest of the world can see/read/hear it and know what Chinese government types have censored from their own people.
Are you sure Chinese care?
Most don't even know they're being censored. I work in China, and trust me, the ones that do know, do care. Just teach them to use things like Tor, or other ways to bypass the censorship.
Personally, I believe that no one should be buying ANYTHING made in China. Yes, I know it's next to impossible but I would spend an extra 10% to support companies from my country that make competing products to Chinese products.
Go ahead.
I'm going to keep buying stuff from China. But then I don't have much choice, I live here:-) But when I leave here, I'm sure I'll keep buying it. As long as it is a good price, and of good quality, why not? I'm not going to be petty...
The entire China issue is completely out of hand, and the best way IMO to stop it is to stop dealing with them. Stop buying from them. Stop selling to them. Do not go to the Olympics either. Don't watch the Olympics. In fact, I say we censor China altogether from the world's information, business dealings etc. Don't let them invest in anything anywhere else in the world. Lock up their assets that reside outside of China, close their Embassies... everything.
Wet dreams. This never worked on a country with more than 1 billion people. BTW, do you ever realize how much US assets in China?
Didn't work for Cuba, didn't work for North Korea... There is a history of such things, it doesn't work, learn it. (To GP)
Yes, that will eventually hurt their people but it is their people that must overthrow the government in charge at this point.
You are very smart at this point, but if their people rise up and overthrow your government...
BTW, when you guys are discussing wet dreams, Chinese are fighting a fscking earth quake, I hope you realize what you care and what Chinese care, and what is the distance between them. And if you want to have Chinese listen to you, what you should do.
You forget the sarcastic label, right?
There is no reason to hurt the people... Once again, the repressive regimes of NK and Burma hurt the people a lot, but I don't see anyone revolting. Besides, overall people in China have a lot of freedom, and most have good lives, food to eat, things to do. And the situation is improving rapidly.
The Chinese government today cares a great deal about the well being of the people. Sure, they don't tolerate dissent... but remember, the West is so used to their freedoms, but they weren't acquired until people became wealthy. People care first and foremost about their well-being. Freedom comes a far second.
The best way to ensure freedom in a country is to give wealth to the people. Eventually when they are comfortable they will demand change. When they are hungry they will only demand food.
There's very little point in closing China out from the rest of the world. A great lot of good it's done for North Korea and Cuba...
By pushing sanctions, all you do is give their government an enemy to point at. "Look at those evil Americans/Brits/whatever, refusing to sell or buy stuff to us!!".
All sanctions have done is made the governments of NK and Cuba stronger. We are much better off building interdependent relationships with other countries. That way our cultures rub off on each other and we all become better.
Of course I oppose censorship, but showing the middle finger to China isn't going to solve a damn thing.
Well, given a choice between believing a government, or government controlled media, and free media, I think I'll go with free media.
Have you ever noticed BBC/CNN attacking British/American governments? I have. Have you ever seen Xinhua attack the PRC government? I haven't.
Do you know any editors of Chinese newspapers? I do. They get given a list of things they must talk about and a list of things they must not talk about.
And you wonder why I choose to believe Western media over the Chinese Government / government controlled media?
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OK, I retract.
Hey, you just won the Internet!
He didn't say the regime "ruling Israel", he said "occupying Jerusalem". If he said he wanted to get rid of the current Israeli regime, I would take it differently. The fact he didn't refer directly to the sovereign country, but to the land, and also referred to it as an "occupying regime" as opposed to a regime, it is very obvious what is meant.
But obviously, you are right, and all the well-educated and trained diplomats who interpreted it the way I did are wrong.
Why is the USA never mentioned?? Because the NSA is behind all cyber-crimes in the world. Hacking, spamming, DDoS, Nigerian scams... It's all one big cover up!!1!11
Doesn't matter whether who did it; cyber-defence is still relevant, especially if they don't want their servers going down again.
You're obviously blind. There is a lot of virulent language against Christianity on Slashdot. I don't go and sulk in a corner or get angry because my feelings got hurt. Be a man and bear it. Or do you think my feelings as a Christian matter less than your feelings as a Chinese?
I am lead to deduce that the reason you think it is especially unfair when directed towards the Chinese government (as opposed to US/French etc.) is because you think of your race as being superior. Well get of your high horse. My Christian grouping as just as good in my opinion as your Chinese grouping. You are not a better or worse person than me, so don't think like that.
It is no less fair to bash Chinese than it is to bash Christians, or Muslims, or French or whatever. Bashing any group is wrong, and it is wrong to think one group is less or more deserving than another.
The real reason people bully any other group is because they fear that group rising above them. Take it as a compliment.
You also seem to think that China is extra-special and alone being incorrectly portrayed in media. Obviously you've never seen a Disney film where Arabs are portrayed as rats (dirty and sly), whereas Americans are portrayed as ducks (cute and playful). Or have you noticed that in American films, the evil characters very often have British accents. Nor have you noticed the portrayal of Americans in British films as being loud, crude and a bit thick in the noggin. Nor have you noticed the portrayal in Chinese films of Japanese being cowards and bad at fighting. Nor the portrayal of Russians, in Anglo/US films, being extremely violent.
If you are so ethnocentric that you think the injustices of the world are focussed on you, and that that is the most unfair thing, then maybe you should learn to start thinking about others.
I assume that Chinese forums never say anything bad about the West, or Western media, or Western people? Oh wait!
And to moot your point, most of the criticism on Slashdot is directed at the Chinese government, not the Chinese people. You should learn to make that distinction. People in the West often have a low regard for governments in general, so its no surprise they don't like the Chinese one either.
Now now, here's some food. Now stay in your cage.
How about "The Michelangelo Code"?
Wouldn't you rather they spent money developing cool things that haven't already been developed? Why invent the wheel twice, when you can copy it off someone else and invent the carriage?
That wasn't the problem, the Nazi's really stabilised Germany before they went on their conquering spree. The problems lay in the fact that they sure pissed of the English and a lot of people in the countries they occupied, not to mention the Gypsies, Jews, disabled persons, and homosexuals.
If I were to be oppressed, I would much rather be oppressed by one of these things than a bullet. I don't see the problem. Next up: China buys rubber bullets, news at 9.
Well, yes, there is no reason to say fuck [insert country here]. And as you said, every country has problems; it may seem unfortunate for you that currently people are focussed on China's problems, but they'll move on... Anyway, every country should accept criticism and try and learn from it, rather than denying it or fighting back.
People don't hate China in particular, there's just been a lot of news about it recently, a lot of it due to the Olympics, and that's natural. People aren't going to read the 'Fuck China' posts and suddenly agree with it. In fact, I'd say more people know more about China than ever before, and of course you're going to have numb-nuts being idiots.
Anyway, as a Christian, I get my fair share of bashing on Slashdot too. It's just something everyone has to get used to.
I don't think this site has a particular anti-China bias, it's also anti-Christian, anti-corporation, anti-Microsoft, etc. As I said, the world's focus is currently on China, so there will be more news, and bad news is always more interesting than good news. For a good reason. By pointing out bad things, we all get an opportunity to make a start towards fixing it, one action at a time.
Also, this story is about China, so you should expect things about China, and you can't expect people to go around saying lots of nice things about China, because that just isn't interesting.
I'm sure smart people are aware of a lot of good things about China. E.g. quick to react to the disaster in Sichuan, putting money towards development projects in the Pacific, making sure that the population is being fed, working hard to create more jobs, and so on.
But the point is there isn't much use in talking about good things, it's only the bad things that need to be fixed :-)
Of course, every newspaper has it's own agenda. However, the agenda of most newspapers in the West is to make money, and of course each editor/reporter also has his/her own agenda. But at least they aren't forced, and often don't follow the government line.
However, if you read a variety of Western newspapers (i.e. not just Murdoch) then you often get several different interpretations of events, allowing you to choose your own version to value over others.
Of course everyone is biased, including you, and myself. However, with a great variety of opinions fed to us (unless we stupidly choose just one news source) as a whole, we all have different opinions. Whereas most Chinese tend to have the same opinion about events, be it protests against the torch, riots in Tibet, or tariffs in Europe. This is due to all newspapers saying the same thing.
Take any significant news in the West, and even people in the same family will have different views.
And the only reason you have critical thinking is because you grew up in a society where it is valued. Being different / rebellious (thinking critically) in China is not valued. As people they are perfectly capable of it, it just gets drummed out of them at school, where just questioning a teacher is looked upon as being wrong.
As far as I know, there is only one regime occupying Jerusalem, and that is Israel. So what else could it mean?
You're mostly correct there. However, there is no reason to not criticise China. You should notice that their is a hell of a lot of criticism on this site directed at the US as well (often by US citizens). So it's not really unfair discrimination.
Just deform the rest of the world. Sure the places nearby China will look the wrong shape... but at least places on the other side of the world will be more or less accurate. Sure Japan will look like a left angle brace, but hey, it'd sure look cool.
Chinese have never exerted rule over Taiwan until the KMT conquered it after losing the civil war. Before then, it was inhabited by natives, who were not Chinese in any way. Of course, now, most people in Taiwan have Chinese blood. But before the KMT, no Chinese government could say they ruled over Taiwan.
Tell me one country who's borders have remained constant over the last 500 years. I don't give a flying f*ck who owns what. If people want to be independent, let them.
...and China has to right to tell a US company... should read
...and China has no right to tell a US company...When doing business in a country, you follow their rules, not someone else's rules. In China you censor what the Chinese govt. says to censor, in US, you censor what US govt. says to censor.
The US has no right telling a Chinese company to censor something in China, and China has to right to tell a US company to censor something in the US. I fail to see the hypocrisy
Because it's easy, fun, and safe to point the finger at the U.S. A big fat ripe target that doesn't protest around the whole world when their feelings get hurt.
Chinese are not dumb, they can and do learn English. If the information is interesting, someone will probably translate it eventually. Of course, to reach the wider population, Chinese is needed.
3) Publish a website that shows ALL the stuff that China does not want their citizens to see/read/hear so that the entire rest of the world can see/read/hear it and know what Chinese government types have censored from their own people.Are you sure Chinese care?
Most don't even know they're being censored. I work in China, and trust me, the ones that do know, do care. Just teach them to use things like Tor, or other ways to bypass the censorship.
Personally, I believe that no one should be buying ANYTHING made in China. Yes, I know it's next to impossible but I would spend an extra 10% to support companies from my country that make competing products to Chinese products.Go ahead.
I'm going to keep buying stuff from China. But then I don't have much choice, I live here :-) But when I leave here, I'm sure I'll keep buying it. As long as it is a good price, and of good quality, why not? I'm not going to be petty...
The entire China issue is completely out of hand, and the best way IMO to stop it is to stop dealing with them. Stop buying from them. Stop selling to them. Do not go to the Olympics either. Don't watch the Olympics. In fact, I say we censor China altogether from the world's information, business dealings etc. Don't let them invest in anything anywhere else in the world. Lock up their assets that reside outside of China, close their Embassies... everything.Wet dreams. This never worked on a country with more than 1 billion people. BTW, do you ever realize how much US assets in China?
Didn't work for Cuba, didn't work for North Korea... There is a history of such things, it doesn't work, learn it. (To GP)
Yes, that will eventually hurt their people but it is their people that must overthrow the government in charge at this point.You are very smart at this point, but if their people rise up and overthrow your government...
BTW, when you guys are discussing wet dreams, Chinese are fighting a fscking earth quake, I hope you realize what you care and what Chinese care, and what is the distance between them. And if you want to have Chinese listen to you, what you should do.
You forget the sarcastic label, right?
There is no reason to hurt the people... Once again, the repressive regimes of NK and Burma hurt the people a lot, but I don't see anyone revolting. Besides, overall people in China have a lot of freedom, and most have good lives, food to eat, things to do. And the situation is improving rapidly.
The Chinese government today cares a great deal about the well being of the people. Sure, they don't tolerate dissent... but remember, the West is so used to their freedoms, but they weren't acquired until people became wealthy. People care first and foremost about their well-being. Freedom comes a far second.
The best way to ensure freedom in a country is to give wealth to the people. Eventually when they are comfortable they will demand change. When they are hungry they will only demand food.
And a whole lot of good the diplomacy from the USA to Iraq has done for the Iraqi people, the economies of both countries, and stability.
There's very little point in closing China out from the rest of the world. A great lot of good it's done for North Korea and Cuba...
By pushing sanctions, all you do is give their government an enemy to point at. "Look at those evil Americans/Brits/whatever, refusing to sell or buy stuff to us!!".
All sanctions have done is made the governments of NK and Cuba stronger. We are much better off building interdependent relationships with other countries. That way our cultures rub off on each other and we all become better.
Of course I oppose censorship, but showing the middle finger to China isn't going to solve a damn thing.
Well, given a choice between believing a government, or government controlled media, and free media, I think I'll go with free media.
Have you ever noticed BBC/CNN attacking British/American governments? I have. Have you ever seen Xinhua attack the PRC government? I haven't.
Do you know any editors of Chinese newspapers? I do. They get given a list of things they must talk about and a list of things they must not talk about.
And you wonder why I choose to believe Western media over the Chinese Government / government controlled media?