That's crazy. By the way in case you're wondering the article says:
"My wife runs Windows 98 on her little 300mhz computer and it basically does what she needs - some photo editing, writing of documents, spreadsheets, e-mail, and Web surfing."
Um...Maureen's Wife?! Wow ok cool. Maybe Maureen is not a real person. Maybe she's like agony aunt or whatever. Maybe Maureen is just the name that they put on articles when they're so bad that no author would want to have their name associated with the article.:-)
http://voxilla.com/voxstory107-nested-order0-thr es hold0.html
Excerpt:
Asterisk Guru May Have Solved Interconnection Dilemna
What has been a longtime complaint of many VoIP users - the limited ability of users on separate IP networks to call each other over a direct IP-to-IP connection - may well be addressed through a new number discovery protocol developed by Mark Spencer, the lead architect behind the highly regarded open source PBX system, Asterisk.
This new protocol is not for peer to peer voice communication. It's a method like a phone book. So you ask your peers if they know how to contact person X, your peers contact their peers and so on until they find the address of a person (for example the IAX/SIP/OpenH.323 address). Then the address is passed back though the peers to the original person doing the lookup, and is cached along the way.
You then make your telephone call using VOIP. The IAX (Inter Asterisk Exchange) protocol is amazing at getting though NAT'd connections etc. It can even trunk lots of calls together into one packet.
I just can't help but feel that we're willfully ignoring this potential, because for the last 50 years programmers have been on an upward path in terms of pay, relevance, and prestige. Nothing lasts forever.
I agree that the majority of software/algorythym design will become easier as time goes by, but there will always be a need to design better ones and for people to maintain development systems.
People should even be using C now. We should all be using object oriented programming languages. And that's without even talking about the asm programmers. How could you possibly need these when all of the software develops the asm for you? Well you do. These comments strike me as being maybe made from the USA where the President has destroyed most of the development industry and shipped the rest overseas. In order for this to be possible however, there has to be people doing the code in other countries...
What if biotechnologists became the new leaders of the technology revolution? What if advances beyond binary computing totally disrupted the nature of computing itself?
Well I personally wouldn't mind, I have my bets hedged, but I've been listening to the debate over the fact that programmers will dissapear for too long now. Yes the simple programs are now even simpler to make (and if you don't mind performance issues medium complexity issues can be dealt with simply).
While I agree that the method of programming might change I don't think that there will ever be a lack of programming.
To me programming is telling something how to do something so that it can do it on it's own later.
The more we hand over control of our lives to inanimate objects, the more we will have to make sure they know what we want.
I still consider setting the timer on a Video Recorder programming.
Actually I call algorythmic design programming too (although there's probably not many that would agree with me).
So I stick by my comment. Programming will never die. The world will always need developers, maybe the majority won't need to be 31337 anymore, but all the better for me. The more stupid people they employ to do software design, the more money for my company and others like us to go around fixing up the f***-ups.
As it becomes less difficult to program, the need for specifically-focused and highly-trained programmers will diminish.
Yeah this works as long as something doesn't go wrong. I've managed to make quite a good niche for myself acting as tech support/damage control for these new programmers. Because everything is easy they don't need degrees and do some stupid things that we have all learnt ages ago.
Basically people do their code and when they come up against situations they can't solve, they call me in. I originally was doing this for Lotus Notes/Domino (thanks Lotus for making such a flawed system!) The good thing about it is that there's so many bugs (i.e. even compared to the help files - you take an example and paste it from help and it doesn't work) that you can make a job out of knowing work arounds.
Nowdays, I'm working on Voice Over IP and my wife is back to University studying anatomy, neural nets and bioengineering. Hopefully once she's finished we can combine efforts and continue.
Programming will never die, and as it gets simpler you have simpler people doing it. Complicated problems are not solveable (sp?) by these people within required timeframes. Thereby leaving us with the cool work. I mean who honestly enjoyed coding the same thing over and over again with a couple of changes? The stuff we really like is when you stretch your brain for optimisation and hard core problem solving...
If you translate this over to powered speakers (which contain an amplifier and speakers) you quite often get a better result. The reason for this is that the amp is specifically designed to drive the speakers.
Another analogy (sp?), Apple Macs. They supply all the hardware you need and consequently their operating system is more stable (i.e. they have a know list of hardware to work with).
As integration progresses we will probably see devices interracting with each other more. One would assume that an object that contained two devices (per se) would be guaranteed to have no compatibility issues between those devices.
And following right along behind that...you could of course purchase multiple bits of kit from the same manufacturer (this should usually work).
While I agree that you can get better quality if you go for the components, you will likely have less problems interacting within one device.
Just because you printed a document doesn't mean you wrote it.
If you post an article (which you don't want authorities knowing you wrote) to a distributed network, then people can print it on printers from all over the world.
Not to mention they don't seem to have included the technology in my Daisy Wheel printer...which is fine for text and simple ascii text...
We've just finished putting out 500 CDs which we sold to the public at NZ$15 (this is in the region of US$10-US$12).
The way we did it was to apply for funding for a group of people making a local CD production.
This was easy to achieve because local governments like community projects.
The next step was to find similar artists who would submit a song for the project. Once we had around 30 people submit tracks, we stopped more coming in and started choosing tracks. (most people sent a whole CD full of songs).
I did the mastering with a friend in our town studio (collective studio - 7 people all pay a little bit of rent and everybody has submitted some equipment).
Another friend did all of the artwork.
We played a release party which was enough to pay all of the artists on the CD.
Now we have only a few CD's, but enough money to do either a run of 2000 or 4 runs of 500.
This means that we can ignore people like the RIAA, and WalMart and continue to build our worldwide word of mouth network. It really helps having community radio stations on board.
So what my message saying?
Get a group of people together, you will make more money from your CDs, your customers will get CDs for less, and you can accept donations from people who would rather burn/download your music.
We can therefore totally remove the monopolists from the equation, help the consumer, and help ourselves (the artists).
Cheers and hope this helps somebody...contact me if you want any help with the above
Doesn't this bear just a slight resemblence to the DirectTV mods that came down. Do you reckon they're going to make all the pirated Windows versions die?:-)
And what about a host? An elephant? And is the DNA in tact? I am opposed to the cloning of extinct animals. Reason being: I feel that things happen for a reason. Life revolves around the survival of the fittest. If you are not the fittest then in time you will die out. Of course, this is not flamebait - I don't necessarily hold the same opinion for animals which have been eradicated by humans. Also, I am not the worlds greatest historian and I don't know what it was that killed them off. We as a planet are currently not capable of looking after the animals that exist now. Until we can I don't feel that we should be introducing new species. Another point (sorry if I'm dragging on a bit here!), what if the reason that this animal died was because of some huge (yet unknown) disease? We bring it back to life and it could take out the human race. Using our current set of theories we believe a particular reason for the dissapearance o the species (sorry, once again I don't know specifics). But how many times have theories that were taken to be 100% fact been proved incorrect? The world is flat?
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Agreed. I don't think you guys would like our anti-nuclear policy! :-)
:-)
So I take it that's a confirmation of giving up...
So sad guys. Why are you letting this happen? If they tried it in New Zealand, we'd have 30-40% of the population on the streets.
Maybe we are just a hardcore protesting nation, but I thought that instinct was built into every human.
Do you think there are particular events that have caused you to lose faith in the act of protesting?
In all honesty I can only say good riddance.
It's almost unbelievable that the USA would allow him to work on bills such as the Patriot act.
What I don't understand is why are you guys not protesting?
Have you given up?
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Cheers,
Matt
That's crazy. By the way in case you're wondering the article says:
:-)
"My wife runs Windows 98 on her little 300mhz computer and it basically does what she needs - some photo editing, writing of documents, spreadsheets, e-mail, and Web surfing."
Um...Maureen's Wife?! Wow ok cool. Maybe Maureen is not a real person. Maybe she's like agony aunt or whatever. Maybe Maureen is just the name that they put on articles when they're so bad that no author would want to have their name associated with the article.
If you would like to contact Maureen O'Gara to let her know your thoughts you can do so at the following URL:
http://www.sys-con.com/author/?id=2390
Here's another URL to a story on DUNDi:
r es hold0.html
http://voxilla.com/voxstory107-nested-order0-th
Excerpt:
Asterisk Guru May Have Solved Interconnection Dilemna
What has been a longtime complaint of many VoIP users - the limited ability of users on separate IP networks to call each other over a direct IP-to-IP connection - may well be addressed through a new number discovery protocol developed by Mark Spencer, the lead architect behind the highly regarded open source PBX system, Asterisk.
This new protocol is not for peer to peer voice communication. It's a method like a phone book. So you ask your peers if they know how to contact person X, your peers contact their peers and so on until they find the address of a person (for example the IAX/SIP/OpenH.323 address). Then the address is passed back though the peers to the original person doing the lookup, and is cached along the way.
You then make your telephone call using VOIP. The IAX (Inter Asterisk Exchange) protocol is amazing at getting though NAT'd connections etc. It can even trunk lots of calls together into one packet.
So in a nutshell, this is like a p2p enum.
Yep definately agree Digium rocks.
You can find more information about Dundi here:
http://www.sineapps.com/news.php?rssid=240
I just can't help but feel that we're willfully ignoring this potential, because for the last 50 years programmers have been on an upward path in terms of pay, relevance, and prestige. Nothing lasts forever.
I agree that the majority of software/algorythym design will become easier as time goes by, but there will always be a need to design better ones and for people to maintain development systems.
People should even be using C now. We should all be using object oriented programming languages. And that's without even talking about the asm programmers. How could you possibly need these when all of the software develops the asm for you? Well you do. These comments strike me as being maybe made from the USA where the President has destroyed most of the development industry and shipped the rest overseas. In order for this to be possible however, there has to be people doing the code in other countries...
What if biotechnologists became the new leaders of the technology revolution? What if advances beyond binary computing totally disrupted the nature of computing itself?
Well I personally wouldn't mind, I have my bets hedged, but I've been listening to the debate over the fact that programmers will dissapear for too long now. Yes the simple programs are now even simpler to make (and if you don't mind performance issues medium complexity issues can be dealt with simply).
While I agree that the method of programming might change I don't think that there will ever be a lack of programming.
To me programming is telling something how to do something so that it can do it on it's own later.
The more we hand over control of our lives to inanimate objects, the more we will have to make sure they know what we want.
I still consider setting the timer on a Video Recorder programming.
Actually I call algorythmic design programming too (although there's probably not many that would agree with me).
So I stick by my comment. Programming will never die. The world will always need developers, maybe the majority won't need to be 31337 anymore, but all the better for me. The more stupid people they employ to do software design, the more money for my company and others like us to go around fixing up the f***-ups.
As it becomes less difficult to program, the need for specifically-focused and highly-trained programmers will diminish.
Yeah this works as long as something doesn't go wrong. I've managed to make quite a good niche for myself acting as tech support/damage control for these new programmers. Because everything is easy they don't need degrees and do some stupid things that we have all learnt ages ago.
Basically people do their code and when they come up against situations they can't solve, they call me in. I originally was doing this for Lotus Notes/Domino (thanks Lotus for making such a flawed system!) The good thing about it is that there's so many bugs (i.e. even compared to the help files - you take an example and paste it from help and it doesn't work) that you can make a job out of knowing work arounds.
Nowdays, I'm working on Voice Over IP and my wife is back to University studying anatomy, neural nets and bioengineering. Hopefully once she's finished we can combine efforts and continue.
Programming will never die, and as it gets simpler you have simpler people doing it. Complicated problems are not solveable (sp?) by these people within required timeframes. Thereby leaving us with the cool work. I mean who honestly enjoyed coding the same thing over and over again with a couple of changes? The stuff we really like is when you stretch your brain for optimisation and hard core problem solving...
Haha!
And you think that Bush got all the votes that got him into Government!?
Surely you must be American!
The rest of the world knows that Bush got his mates to screw up the voting process so that he won even though America voted for Gore.
If this happened in New Zealand, they'd redo the election and charge Bush's staff.
Duh...
Yes and no.
If you translate this over to powered speakers (which contain an amplifier and speakers) you quite often get a better result. The reason for this is that the amp is specifically designed to drive the speakers.
Another analogy (sp?), Apple Macs. They supply all the hardware you need and consequently their operating system is more stable (i.e. they have a know list of hardware to work with).
As integration progresses we will probably see devices interracting with each other more. One would assume that an object that contained two devices (per se) would be guaranteed to have no compatibility issues between those devices.
And following right along behind that...you could of course purchase multiple bits of kit from the same manufacturer (this should usually work).
While I agree that you can get better quality if you go for the components, you will likely have less problems interacting within one device.
Um what?!
Just because you printed a document doesn't mean you wrote it.
If you post an article (which you don't want authorities knowing you wrote) to a distributed network, then people can print it on printers from all over the world.
Not to mention they don't seem to have included the technology in my Daisy Wheel printer...which is fine for text and simple ascii text...
We've just finished putting out 500 CDs which we sold to the public at NZ$15 (this is in the region of US$10-US$12).
The way we did it was to apply for funding for a group of people making a local CD production.
This was easy to achieve because local governments like community projects.
The next step was to find similar artists who would submit a song for the project. Once we had around 30 people submit tracks, we stopped more coming in and started choosing tracks. (most people sent a whole CD full of songs).
I did the mastering with a friend in our town studio (collective studio - 7 people all pay a little bit of rent and everybody has submitted some equipment).
Another friend did all of the artwork.
We played a release party which was enough to pay all of the artists on the CD.
Now we have only a few CD's, but enough money to do either a run of 2000 or 4 runs of 500.
This means that we can ignore people like the RIAA, and WalMart and continue to build our worldwide word of mouth network. It really helps having community radio stations on board.
So what my message saying?
Get a group of people together, you will make more money from your CDs, your customers will get CDs for less, and you can accept donations from people who would rather burn/download your music.
We can therefore totally remove the monopolists from the equation, help the consumer, and help ourselves (the artists).
Cheers and hope this helps somebody...contact me if you want any help with the above
Works fine here...no problems and the rss feeds show up fine in Sage...
Doesn't this bear just a slight resemblence to the DirectTV mods that came down. Do you reckon they're going to make all the pirated Windows versions die? :-)
I've added the link to my news page - also with 6000 hits per day.
http://www.sineapps.com/news.php?rssid=186
You can find more information on Asterisk and Astricon at the unofficial Daily Asterisk News Page:
www.sineapps.com/news.php
or rss 2.0 feed via:
www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php
Cheers,
Matt Riddell
And what about a host? An elephant? And is the DNA in tact? I am opposed to the cloning of extinct animals. Reason being: I feel that things happen for a reason. Life revolves around the survival of the fittest. If you are not the fittest then in time you will die out. Of course, this is not flamebait - I don't necessarily hold the same opinion for animals which have been eradicated by humans. Also, I am not the worlds greatest historian and I don't know what it was that killed them off. We as a planet are currently not capable of looking after the animals that exist now. Until we can I don't feel that we should be introducing new species. Another point (sorry if I'm dragging on a bit here!), what if the reason that this animal died was because of some huge (yet unknown) disease? We bring it back to life and it could take out the human race. Using our current set of theories we believe a particular reason for the dissapearance o the species (sorry, once again I don't know specifics). But how many times have theories that were taken to be 100% fact been proved incorrect? The world is flat?
a "," or a? I shall asume you meant "," this is often used to delimit arguments - would probably cause more problems....