Accorting to Ken, its "a week pun on multics". It was developed initialy, just after Bell Labs pulled out ot the multics project, and KT purposly did some things differently then multics.
The pun is that its phoeniticly simmilar to eunich.
There would have been other big cross counrty fiber/copper providers to run IP over in the last decade or so because there was lots of cross country copper providers back before Bell was broken up.
You know who SPRINT was? They werent a invented company, out to sell long distance, they were a railroad company: Southern Pacific. SP, as all RR's have one of the underlying requirements to run cable, that is physcal right of ways over land. So RRs ran a lot of Telegraph lines. And upgraded those over time.
Sprint anyway, in the '60s started selling bulk long distance, and probably even long haul data connections.
Might we have been, big picture, better off if Bell stade as voice only, and Sprint (and friends) sold data connections, only? Thats a good fucking question.
Besides, the real reason that long distance prices have fallen since the earlt 1980's is because of technological increase in capacity.. Competition has had only a slight total effect.
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True, however I was talking about mining, not manufacturing.
It would probably make sense to build manufacturing plants either on the surface of the moon, or have them directly attached to any mining opperation on asteroids.
Besides, NASA may complain about space trash, but the space-space in orbit is significantly larger than the air-space over the US, and the FAA seems to be doing a somewhat OK job making sure planes dont smack into each other. (well, the system is falling appart from massive groth....) If NASA (or the UN) defined pattern for satelites, they could potentialy patroll those lanes removing bad things.
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The 'trash' generated by mining operations are generaly pure elements, heavy metals that we dont/cant use, and gases like CO2.
While these are nasty in this almost perfect biosphear when they get out of porpution with everything else its a Bad Thing.
The nasty things in space are already there, and anything thats alive in space is protected in a nice sealed ship, and consiquently wouldnt be affected.
You buy underwate cable thats desigined to last underwater for 25 years, then you can forget about it for 25 years.
If you put things on land then you have to worry about far more things that can screw it up. Like, for example, drunk backhoe drivers. Or drunk drivers deciding that that pole would be a good thing to hit.
Also, you would actualy have to buy land, or lease the rights to land, if your going to run a land based cable.
I havent ever looked at the numbers, but I would suspect that per km, its cheeper, in the long run, to run cable underwater.
Air Conditioners, expecialy the small, one per room, never maintained, ACs you find in hotel rooms do nasty things to the outside enviroment when they make the inside enviroment nice and comfortable.
Since making the inside comfortable (or having that option, with in room ACs) also does damage to the outside enviroment, then it should be taxed - or at least is a resonable excuse for a tax.
Two: If your not running mail over a fixed cost pipe then you should be running it through heavy filtering on the cheep end of the pipe. The standard for IP/SMTP mail is that your on a fixed cost pipe where a given message works out to being free. If your not on a fixed cost pipe the standard still applies and its your damm problem.
The very significant difference is that when those standards were being defined the process was open. No, there was not an elected committee of people created to defined the standards. But everyone could add to the process.
The problem with ICANN is that they dont have a open process, and there members are not selected by the populus.
Im a beleiver that either a republic, or a representitive democrarcy (where the people decide who makes the decisions) are superior to pure democracys (where the people make every little decision, and hasent existed in a large scale for centuries) primaraly because I think that most people neither have the time nor the inclination to make effective decisions.
If its a collection of self selected people ruling you, then the process has to be open. If the people in charge have been selected by the populus the process, there on, can be as closed as they want.
You either have to have open discussion, or open elections. ICANN has neither.
I diddnt assume that they were running Netware, I assumed that they had some technology aroun there school for some time, and thus were proabably running Netware. And from that I gathered that if they were running a proxy server it would be bordermanager.
But my point was that tracking traffic per user is doable, easily.
The article dosent mention what NOS the school is using, or what proxy server product either.
Since its a school with not only a internet connection, but one with a proxy server (demonstrating its a large network, not just a PC with a modem), we can assume there somewhat technicaly clued. There probably running Netware >4, so they have NDS. And there probably running either BorderManager, or one of the OEM proxy apps thats based on Novels code. Which are all aware. And can all do access control based on usernames, and/or workstation.
Since the proxy server is doing ACLs on usernames (even if its allow everyone everything) it cleary knows who its sending data too.
Should it be logged? As a sysadmin I say: log everything.
Should the logs be accessable to say the school administration? Should they be accessable to just anyone? Harder questions. School Admins: sometimes, probably.
Clearly you dont understand that 99% of the population dosent, ever, upgrade the software the ends up on there machine.
Yes, the-nastily-bundled-with-windows-IE could be replaced with Netscape, but the problem is that people dont ever upgrade their software.
If AOL users get Netscape installed when they install the other AOL stuff they wont change it, ever, or until the next AOL CD comes in the mail.
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LDAP is the lightweight directory access protocol. Generaly speeking its desigined to access X500 based directories. (like where SMTP is desigined to transfer rfc 822 messages)
NDS is a implementation of X.500. Way back when before LDAP existed (or at least before it was important) NDS was accessable from basicly only novell protocols. Now it can be accessed with LDAP. It can also get and put information into XML.
Sure OpenLDAP is cool, but since a 100 user license of NDS 8.5 is only $200 Ill take NDS just for the tools like ConsoleOne and the NDS manager that deals with partition replication and management for you.
Your almost 100% correct there, but there is "a UN*X answer to the power of NDS"..
Its called NDS.
Since NDS can be exposed with LDAP unix/pam will play nicely with it. In fact, I have a NDS/LDAP server on a linux box for testing purposes now, with no netware in sight.
The core question assumed that NDS was loosing groud to LDAP bases solutions.. Um NDS is a LDAP solution. Will openldap (or whatever) support a couple of hundreds of objects? Sure. Tens of thousands of objects? Maby. Millions? Proabably not.
Netware may be largely irrelevent, but NDS/eDirectory is the future. Judging from last winters trade show theme of "One Net", Novell dosent even realy care about netware anymore (or at least is focusing on NDS/eDirectory.
If you dont understand why NDS is a good thing then you havent ever had to administer a non trivial network with more then a few dozen objects.
The sections just filter out things that are shown on the front page, and most of the other pages there are static - the online equivelent of a ad rate card, masthead, contact information and the like.
It may be true that print media generaly downplays there errors, but thats because everyone downplays there errors. Most of the retractions/corrections I see are spelling corrections, or mis crediting photographers. This is not because newspapers skip there big errors, its because newspapers dont make big errors.
Print media generaly always puts retractions/corrections in the same place, usualy on the second page. Since people who know how to use a newspaper know this, and its standard practice, its on the up and up.
The second that Slashdot started (trying) to generate its own content - JohnKatz, collecting rummors and posting them as news - you stoped being just a discussion site.
When/if you just were a pointer to other new sites, with a smart ass comment by the poster, and the discussions, then yes, you were just a discussion site. But your not anymore.
I, for one, am -->-- this close to leaving. Slashdot is not going down hill, it always was a dive.
But dont you see, that RMS wants to dominate the world too?
He wants everything to do it his way, and he wants the credit (Ill start calling it GNU/Linux if, and when, GNU produces a distribution, otherwise its RedHat Linux, Debian Linux, or whatever)..
He sees zero comprimise here, its his way or no way "Please don't develop non-free software".
Bill Gates wants windows/microsoft everywhere, and RMS wants everything to be GPLd. They both think that there vision will help the world. It dosent matter which way will/could be better, but since neither is willing to accept comprimise, there both, indivuduly, wrong.
Workstations should be disposable. If you have inportant data, save it on the server.
There are enough places around that have a policy of ghosting computers on a regular basis that this is not screwed up.
Re ghosting takes all of 5 seconds of effort and 5 minutes of time. Ghost plus something like ZENworks means that there is zero time supporting desktop configurations: "helpdesk, whats your problem?" "[something that indicates a misconfiguration" " ok, insert that disk labeled ghost, reboot, and get coffee." Problem solved.
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Were not idiots.
The pun is that its phoeniticly simmilar to eunich.
There would have been other big cross counrty fiber/copper providers to run IP over in the last decade or so because there was lots of cross country copper providers back before Bell was broken up.
You know who SPRINT was? They werent a invented company, out to sell long distance, they were a railroad company: Southern Pacific. SP, as all RR's have one of the underlying requirements to run cable, that is physcal right of ways over land. So RRs ran a lot of Telegraph lines. And upgraded those over time.
Sprint anyway, in the '60s started selling bulk long distance, and probably even long haul data connections.
Might we have been, big picture, better off if Bell stade as voice only, and Sprint (and friends) sold data connections, only? Thats a good fucking question.
Besides, the real reason that long distance prices have fallen since the earlt 1980's is because of technological increase in capacity.. Competition has had only a slight total effect.
It would probably make sense to build manufacturing plants either on the surface of the moon, or have them directly attached to any mining opperation on asteroids.
Besides, NASA may complain about space trash, but the space-space in orbit is significantly larger than the air-space over the US, and the FAA seems to be doing a somewhat OK job making sure planes dont smack into each other. (well, the system is falling appart from massive groth....) If NASA (or the UN) defined pattern for satelites, they could potentialy patroll those lanes removing bad things.
While these are nasty in this almost perfect biosphear when they get out of porpution with everything else its a Bad Thing.
The nasty things in space are already there, and anything thats alive in space is protected in a nice sealed ship, and consiquently wouldnt be affected.
If you put things on land then you have to worry about far more things that can screw it up. Like, for example, drunk backhoe drivers. Or drunk drivers deciding that that pole would be a good thing to hit.
Also, you would actualy have to buy land, or lease the rights to land, if your going to run a land based cable.
I havent ever looked at the numbers, but I would suspect that per km, its cheeper, in the long run, to run cable underwater.
Air Conditioners, expecialy the small, one per room, never maintained, ACs you find in hotel rooms do nasty things to the outside enviroment when they make the inside enviroment nice and comfortable.
Since making the inside comfortable (or having that option, with in room ACs) also does damage to the outside enviroment, then it should be taxed - or at least is a resonable excuse for a tax.
Two: If your not running mail over a fixed cost pipe then you should be running it through heavy filtering on the cheep end of the pipe. The standard for IP/SMTP mail is that your on a fixed cost pipe where a given message works out to being free. If your not on a fixed cost pipe the standard still applies and its your damm problem.
The problem with ICANN is that they dont have a open process, and there members are not selected by the populus.
Im a beleiver that either a republic, or a representitive democrarcy (where the people decide who makes the decisions) are superior to pure democracys (where the people make every little decision, and hasent existed in a large scale for centuries) primaraly because I think that most people neither have the time nor the inclination to make effective decisions.
If its a collection of self selected people ruling you, then the process has to be open. If the people in charge have been selected by the populus the process, there on, can be as closed as they want.
You either have to have open discussion, or open elections. ICANN has neither.
As the Captian from Chrimson Tide put it so elequently:
were here to defend democracy, not uphold it.
But my point was that tracking traffic per user is doable, easily.
Since its a school with not only a internet connection, but one with a proxy server (demonstrating its a large network, not just a PC with a modem), we can assume there somewhat technicaly clued. There probably running Netware >4, so they have NDS. And there probably running either BorderManager, or one of the OEM proxy apps thats based on Novels code. Which are all aware. And can all do access control based on usernames, and/or workstation.
Since the proxy server is doing ACLs on usernames (even if its allow everyone everything) it cleary knows who its sending data too.
Should it be logged? As a sysadmin I say: log everything.
Should the logs be accessable to say the school administration? Should they be accessable to just anyone? Harder questions. School Admins: sometimes, probably.
Yes, the-nastily-bundled-with-windows-IE could be replaced with Netscape, but the problem is that people dont ever upgrade their software.
If AOL users get Netscape installed when they install the other AOL stuff they wont change it, ever, or until the next AOL CD comes in the mail.
NDS is a implementation of X.500. Way back when before LDAP existed (or at least before it was important) NDS was accessable from basicly only novell protocols. Now it can be accessed with LDAP. It can also get and put information into XML.
Sure OpenLDAP is cool, but since a 100 user license of NDS 8.5 is only $200 Ill take NDS just for the tools like ConsoleOne and the NDS manager that deals with partition replication and management for you.
Um, NDS can be access via LDAP. And XML for that matter.
Its called NDS.
Since NDS can be exposed with LDAP unix/pam will play nicely with it. In fact, I have a NDS/LDAP server on a linux box for testing purposes now, with no netware in sight.
The core question assumed that NDS was loosing groud to LDAP bases solutions.. Um NDS is a LDAP solution. Will openldap (or whatever) support a couple of hundreds of objects? Sure. Tens of thousands of objects? Maby. Millions? Proabably not.
Netware may be largely irrelevent, but NDS/eDirectory is the future. Judging from last winters trade show theme of "One Net", Novell dosent even realy care about netware anymore (or at least is focusing on NDS/eDirectory.
If you dont understand why NDS is a good thing then you havent ever had to administer a non trivial network with more then a few dozen objects.
Please explain, in detail, to us how you would patch Solaris source code to fix a security hole.
The sections just filter out things that are shown on the front page, and most of the other pages there are static - the online equivelent of a ad rate card, masthead, contact information and the like.
It may be true that print media generaly downplays there errors, but thats because everyone downplays there errors. Most of the retractions/corrections I see are spelling corrections, or mis crediting photographers. This is not because newspapers skip there big errors, its because newspapers dont make big errors.
Slashdot, has, on occasion, made big errors.
Print media generaly always puts retractions/corrections in the same place, usualy on the second page. Since people who know how to use a newspaper know this, and its standard practice, its on the up and up.
When/if you just were a pointer to other new sites, with a smart ass comment by the poster, and the discussions, then yes, you were just a discussion site. But your not anymore.
I, for one, am -->-- this close to leaving. Slashdot is not going down hill, it always was a dive.
The USSR was not a third world country, by any streach of the imagination.
Your a old time fidonet guy aren't you?
In his heart he thinks he right, and in there hearts suicide bombers think there right too.
He is aming for global domination, it just happens to be possibly good global domination.
And you right, freedom is the opposit of domination, and since he wants domination, he clearly dosent want freedom.
He wants everything to do it his way, and he wants the credit (Ill start calling it GNU/Linux if, and when, GNU produces a distribution, otherwise its RedHat Linux, Debian Linux, or whatever)..
He sees zero comprimise here, its his way or no way "Please don't develop non-free software".
Bill Gates wants windows/microsoft everywhere, and RMS wants everything to be GPLd. They both think that there vision will help the world. It dosent matter which way will/could be better, but since neither is willing to accept comprimise, there both, indivuduly, wrong.
There are enough places around that have a policy of ghosting computers on a regular basis that this is not screwed up.
Re ghosting takes all of 5 seconds of effort and 5 minutes of time. Ghost plus something like ZENworks means that there is zero time supporting desktop configurations: "helpdesk, whats your problem?" "[something that indicates a misconfiguration" " ok, insert that disk labeled ghost, reboot, and get coffee." Problem solved.