"Free" Quake, plus a conversion tool will work out to be cheeper than the very, very, expensive tools your talking about. The reconable priced tools
I could get the drawings for most of the buildings from university in some kind of vector format, and I could get a plugin for a browser to view them. At the time I thought it would be a great idea for a CAD -- quake map conversion tool. I still do, and this is realy all that you need.
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Exactly.
Clearly 'internet' support is nececcary for IOS.
And clearly, pandtne support is necessary for high end printers/imagesetters.
But a router that knows what pantone is would be stupid, and a imagesetter dosent need to know about the internet. (actualy one could make the argument that everything needs to know about the internet)
Are you listining with $50 Radio Shack computer speakers? Then no, of course your not going to hear a difference.
I for one, can tell notice quaility difference in recorded sounds over FM. No, I cant tell if it was recorded at 20bit and is being plays from CD v a 16bit DDD CD, but I can tell if its a record or tape.
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It could be done, but they you would have to start downloading a 100mb tarball when you want to compile a new kernel.
While the kernel is writen in a modular way, not all of the modules[1] necessarly play nice together: as you add more modules it becomes exponentialy more difficult to have any kind of guarentee that they will play nicely together.
Memory management, for example, is radicly different on big iron machines. There is not only hardware mm, but hadrware memory security (or the possibility of hardware memory security (?) my 370/asm class, way back when, only mentioned this). There are numerious differnet theroys on memory management, and they all have there trade offs. At some threshold (but definitly beteween the high end 128mb desktops and the high end mainframes with terrabytes of primary storage) tweeking has to give way to fundamental change.
[1]not necessary modules as in loadable modules but as a generic name for any bit from as small as a function/procedute up to a family of loadable modules.
Well lets look at the TCO here.. That is the Total Cost of Ownership for computers on a university campus.
How much more would it cost a university if they actualy required every student to have a laptop? No more general purpose labs. Less cost. And if the university is bulk purchasing/leasing machines they will get a realy good deal on them.
The problem is only if they require students to get specific gear from the uni, there for not allowing students to go with either a bigger-better laptop that they could afford, or say, a deskop + PDA, or whatever.
What universitys should be doing is killing off open labs, subsequently reducing tuition, and offering ~$700/year laptops. This would be quite feasable.. I dont know what the reduction in tuition for nuking labs would be however.
Personlay, Ive been around linux since that time frame. Or at least I tried: the week I spent to download 17disks for a TAMU distribution was thwarted by a bad disk #1. While I then somewhat ignored linux for a year, a friend managed to get full slackware disk set from someone who worked at a ISP.
I use Redhat 6.2 on servers at work, everything from 5.x-7 on servers and ws's at a community net (and for that matter, Solaris 2.6 and 2.7).
Redhat is definitly the way to go. Eventualy I will need an anwser to something/now/ and will need support. Commercial vendoes can provide that. If I want to download some app, if it exists in some package format, it exists in RPM.
For those people complaing about RH 7.0: anyone who has been around computers for more than a second should no not to trust x.0 software. At least wait until the first servicepack/patch.
Of the three somewhat commercialy viable distributions, Red Hat, Caldera and SuSE, Ive personaly only ever seen Red Hat. I would like to play around with Caldera because of integration with NDS (as Ive gone through the formal novell education). I have zero desire to play with SuSE - its main feature seems to be that it has a insane amount of software included in the box. I have 3mb/s at work and DSL at home.
As soon as I get a chance Im going to install RH7 on a test box, and Ill proabably get it up on production machines as soon as the erratta has slown down.
When you say UNIX, and UNIX enviroment, you almost definitly mean POSIX. And NT can be coersed into becoming POSIX compliant. ISTR that QNX is, and probably even VMS.
While the RMS/GNU toolkit is what linux is generaly bundled with, dont forget *BSDs. While there may be an argument to be made that Linus diddnt start this therford shouldnt get the credit, you cant extent that to say that RMS should.
RMS may have been the first person to sit down and go out of his way to write Free Software, and formalize a orginization around it with the necessary legal staff, but he did not invent Free Software. Knuth's TeX is a notable Free Software tool that predates GNU. But 'all' software was free at one point.
My understanding is that newsreels were as much of an event as the movies themselves. ISTR that they would have been special shows, with admission charges.
But this would have been in the ear of serials - works on film somewhere beteween TV mini series and full blown TV shows. The Lone Ranger comes to mind.
Definitly. IBM is in bisiness to make money, and if playing with linux will make them money then thell do it.
Read the whole article - he talks about adding a linux compatability layer to AIX, and he says that linux will be the first OS/platform that programers will learn.
Linux is not for everywhere. Its not ready for the desktop (but no *nix is). Its not ready for big iron machines. It dosent have ACLs on the filesystem.
The kernel hackers dont seem interested in adding these features to the kernel. If you are in a position to be operating a computer beyond that that linux runs well on, then you are in a position to buy the OS for it.
Computer requirements grow up. If IBM can guarentee that your linux apps will run on AIX in 5 years, then you might be more inclined to go with netfinitys now, and some kind of bigger IBM box later.
If the various ethics committes of whatever bar scocity thig guy belongs to could take away his license to practice law, then one of two things would happen:
The rest ot the Supreme Court would re hear the case, possibly after requsing all of themselves.
The justice system would literaly fall apart, no court anywhere un the USA would be taken seriously, and the 'merkins would make Kosovo look like a vacation spot.
Well, lets say that you can tell bad packets from good ones (which you can). Even if on the first try you only get 70% of the packets sent out, then you could get the rest on the second try. Couldnt you?
Sure, this would decrease the best possible download time - the first mirrors would have to wait 2x (assuming you get everything on the second dump). But it would take that amount of time for everyone.
You cant win by going to SMP. But maby you can win by fundamantly changing the archeture of computers.
We already are off loading video processing to specialty built video hardware. Were not doing this very much with sound (yes, you can get you high end cards to add base and sound fields, but you cant do OpenGL like sound calls - play the sound I uploaded to you before like it was coming from (x,y,z) with this ambient sound....)
Hard drives are prety dumb, and general purpose - the way you would set up RAID for, say, video or audio editing (which is called nonlinear, but a 5 second clip is eternity for a drive), is not the same way as you would for a database - and it would be different for differnt databases.
And this isnt even taking into consiteration network applications - all the hard thinking would be done on a centerlized host, with only the visualation being done localy. You processor is idle 95% of the time, but your video card is busy 100% of the time. If you have a smooth distribution of tasks you could have 20 people using your cpu if you could have 20 video cards. And if you scale this up, globaly, it would be close to smooth distribution.
My point is that there are more solutions then just throwing processoer power at the desktop.
Because its not the way that IBM does it.. If you look at ASCII on the binary level its somewhat random - its roots are in teletypes, it was not desigined to be processed.. EBCDIC on the other hand is desigined to have processing done. A-Z is the same as a-z if you ignore a bit.
Clearly if IBM desires case to be easily ignored it must be a bad thing.
But personaly, Im with you. Showing case is good, but case sensitivity is bad.
Redhat makes its money on support. Or rather they make there money gambling that people who buy support will pay for more than they need. No support questions they make lots of money. Support questions trained monkies can anwser by reading up in a database they can make money. And then they can anwser support questions with "we dont support that", there realy happy.
No while RH isnt going out of there way to screw up KDE, and they proably will include it in 7, they secretely, deep down, want it to die so they wont have to support it. They've made there decision that GNOME is going to get there $$ support, and it dose.
But clearly its in there best intrests to concesiouly lag behind on KDE updated so that RH/KDE users get frustrated and move to GNOME, so there trained monkies have a better chance of getting them off the phone quicker.
Exactly.. I diddnt want to make that point, and come off as a compleat Microsoft supporter.. Im definitly willing to admin when there right, and that they do create some good things.
Extending you argument - look at Mozilla. Hackers generaly either have, or are working on, a university education, and ever CS program Iv ever heard of includes OS deisgn, and proably specific coursed on UNIX. ie, university educated programers are, by definition, UNIX hackers - or course there going to beable to implement the UNIX/POSIX API. However, since there arent uni courses in Web Browser Layout Engines, hackers generaly have avoided Mozilla, not only because its not fun, they dont know how to do it.
Microsoft has leigons of university educated programers, who assumably could build from the ground up a stable OS with all the services generaly acknolaged to be necessary - can they 'fix' Windows? Given enough time, proably.
If MS is broken up, and no longer 'evil', and finish 'fixing' windows, then they proably will have the best desktop OS. Bind it, Windows 2020, with Linux v6.2, and NDS v20.. Well, Then Well Be Getting Somewhere.
You right, and while Ive only ever thoug about it almost this way, your post has promped me to a new idea.
I think it was Miguel de Icaza who said it best - in *nix no one takes the blame for anything. He was talking about a user friendly / programer friendly desktop enviroment (kernel hackers: "not my problem / falt", X/MIT/xFree: "We do protocolols, not our problem", wm programers: "not my problem" etc, etc.
And we all accept this, more or less. If netscape crashes, its netscapes fault. If the Gimp crashes, its the Gimps fault. If a window manager crashes, its the wms fault. And if linux crashes, its the kernel hackers fault.
However, if anything crashes on Windows, we prehaps unfairly blame microsoft. Now, it may be true that application crashes are far more likely to down the OS in Windows land then in *nix, but, MS is getting better in this respect. We wouldnt shit on Redhat if a module in there kernel was flakey and crashed, would we?
I can remember back in the MS-DOS days, and mis behaving TSRs, and crappy apps would lock up the system compleatly - DOS itself never crashed, and I remember Windows 3.1, which itself crashed a lot, and bad apps downed it too. 95 was better, and 98 was better still, and from what Ive seen at my new job for a week, w2k is excelent in this respect. *nix is not the best here, and windows is not the worst - MVS/OS/390 is proably on top, and MacOS on the bottom (of OSs in use today), so everything is relative
Yes, I use win98 on the desktop at home, and will proably use w2k on the desktop at work, where there are w2k servers (primarly because ColdFusion wasent aviable for linux until recently, and because customers have Access db's). But primarly linux on the servers (and with fridays install of CF4linux, we may ditch w2k servers...) But at my last job (well mainly volunteer), it was solaris and linux on the servers, and linux on all but 1 desktop.
The windows/linux race is to catch up to each other in the opposits strong point, linux to get to the UI of Windows, and Windows to get to the stability of *nix.
I dont know: whats easier, adding stability to Windows, or adding hardware support and UI to linux?
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"Free" Quake, plus a conversion tool will work out to be cheeper than the very, very, expensive tools your talking about. The reconable priced tools I could get the drawings for most of the buildings from university in some kind of vector format, and I could get a plugin for a browser to view them. At the time I thought it would be a great idea for a CAD -- quake map conversion tool. I still do, and this is realy all that you need.
Clearly 'internet' support is nececcary for IOS.
And clearly, pandtne support is necessary for high end printers/imagesetters.
But a router that knows what pantone is would be stupid, and a imagesetter dosent need to know about the internet. (actualy one could make the argument that everything needs to know about the internet)
I for one, can tell notice quaility difference in recorded sounds over FM. No, I cant tell if it was recorded at 20bit and is being plays from CD v a 16bit DDD CD, but I can tell if its a record or tape.
While the kernel is writen in a modular way, not all of the modules[1] necessarly play nice together: as you add more modules it becomes exponentialy more difficult to have any kind of guarentee that they will play nicely together.
Memory management, for example, is radicly different on big iron machines. There is not only hardware mm, but hadrware memory security (or the possibility of hardware memory security (?) my 370/asm class, way back when, only mentioned this). There are numerious differnet theroys on memory management, and they all have there trade offs. At some threshold (but definitly beteween the high end 128mb desktops and the high end mainframes with terrabytes of primary storage) tweeking has to give way to fundamental change.
[1]not necessary modules as in loadable modules but as a generic name for any bit from as small as a function/procedute up to a family of loadable modules.
How much more would it cost a university if they actualy required every student to have a laptop? No more general purpose labs. Less cost. And if the university is bulk purchasing/leasing machines they will get a realy good deal on them.
The problem is only if they require students to get specific gear from the uni, there for not allowing students to go with either a bigger-better laptop that they could afford, or say, a deskop + PDA, or whatever.
What universitys should be doing is killing off open labs, subsequently reducing tuition, and offering ~$700/year laptops. This would be quite feasable.. I dont know what the reduction in tuition for nuking labs would be however.
Sure, drives are cheep, but tape is cheeper..
I use Redhat 6.2 on servers at work, everything from 5.x-7 on servers and ws's at a community net (and for that matter, Solaris 2.6 and 2.7).
Redhat is definitly the way to go. Eventualy I will need an anwser to something /now/ and will need support. Commercial vendoes can provide that. If I want to download some app, if it exists in some package format, it exists in RPM.
For those people complaing about RH 7.0: anyone who has been around computers for more than a second should no not to trust x.0 software. At least wait until the first servicepack/patch.
Of the three somewhat commercialy viable distributions, Red Hat, Caldera and SuSE, Ive personaly only ever seen Red Hat. I would like to play around with Caldera because of integration with NDS (as Ive gone through the formal novell education). I have zero desire to play with SuSE - its main feature seems to be that it has a insane amount of software included in the box. I have 3mb/s at work and DSL at home.
As soon as I get a chance Im going to install RH7 on a test box, and Ill proabably get it up on production machines as soon as the erratta has slown down.
I imagine it could cause lots of other nastyness to humans, cancer, genetic defects ala Total Recal and other fun things.
But the sun 1.3~AU away couldnt be pusing out more radiation then the cell tower on the top of my office could it?
*cough*
It sounds like a interesting theroy though.
2: Microsoft is drawing out the procedure. There the ones slowing it down.
MS gets a 75 page responce in January, final breifs from both sides Feb 9, with oral arguments at the end of that month.
While the RMS/GNU toolkit is what linux is generaly bundled with, dont forget *BSDs. While there may be an argument to be made that Linus diddnt start this therford shouldnt get the credit, you cant extent that to say that RMS should.
RMS may have been the first person to sit down and go out of his way to write Free Software, and formalize a orginization around it with the necessary legal staff, but he did not invent Free Software. Knuth's TeX is a notable Free Software tool that predates GNU. But 'all' software was free at one point.
But this would have been in the ear of serials - works on film somewhere beteween TV mini series and full blown TV shows. The Lone Ranger comes to mind.
Dumbass.
Read the whole article - he talks about adding a linux compatability layer to AIX, and he says that linux will be the first OS/platform that programers will learn.
Linux is not for everywhere. Its not ready for the desktop (but no *nix is). Its not ready for big iron machines. It dosent have ACLs on the filesystem.
The kernel hackers dont seem interested in adding these features to the kernel. If you are in a position to be operating a computer beyond that that linux runs well on, then you are in a position to buy the OS for it.
Computer requirements grow up. If IBM can guarentee that your linux apps will run on AIX in 5 years, then you might be more inclined to go with netfinitys now, and some kind of bigger IBM box later.
If the various ethics committes of whatever bar scocity thig guy belongs to could take away his license to practice law, then one of two things would happen:
Sure, this would decrease the best possible download time - the first mirrors would have to wait 2x (assuming you get everything on the second dump). But it would take that amount of time for everyone.
We already are off loading video processing to specialty built video hardware. Were not doing this very much with sound (yes, you can get you high end cards to add base and sound fields, but you cant do OpenGL like sound calls - play the sound I uploaded to you before like it was coming from (x,y,z) with this ambient sound....)
Hard drives are prety dumb, and general purpose - the way you would set up RAID for, say, video or audio editing (which is called nonlinear, but a 5 second clip is eternity for a drive), is not the same way as you would for a database - and it would be different for differnt databases.
And this isnt even taking into consiteration network applications - all the hard thinking would be done on a centerlized host, with only the visualation being done localy. You processor is idle 95% of the time, but your video card is busy 100% of the time. If you have a smooth distribution of tasks you could have 20 people using your cpu if you could have 20 video cards. And if you scale this up, globaly, it would be close to smooth distribution.
My point is that there are more solutions then just throwing processoer power at the desktop.
Clearly if IBM desires case to be easily ignored it must be a bad thing.
But personaly, Im with you. Showing case is good, but case sensitivity is bad.
Redhat makes its money on support. Or rather they make there money gambling that people who buy support will pay for more than they need. No support questions they make lots of money. Support questions trained monkies can anwser by reading up in a database they can make money. And then they can anwser support questions with "we dont support that", there realy happy.
No while RH isnt going out of there way to screw up KDE, and they proably will include it in 7, they secretely, deep down, want it to die so they wont have to support it. They've made there decision that GNOME is going to get there $$ support, and it dose.
But clearly its in there best intrests to concesiouly lag behind on KDE updated so that RH/KDE users get frustrated and move to GNOME, so there trained monkies have a better chance of getting them off the phone quicker.
Extending you argument - look at Mozilla. Hackers generaly either have, or are working on, a university education, and ever CS program Iv ever heard of includes OS deisgn, and proably specific coursed on UNIX. ie, university educated programers are, by definition, UNIX hackers - or course there going to beable to implement the UNIX/POSIX API. However, since there arent uni courses in Web Browser Layout Engines, hackers generaly have avoided Mozilla, not only because its not fun, they dont know how to do it.
Microsoft has leigons of university educated programers, who assumably could build from the ground up a stable OS with all the services generaly acknolaged to be necessary - can they 'fix' Windows? Given enough time, proably.
If MS is broken up, and no longer 'evil', and finish 'fixing' windows, then they proably will have the best desktop OS. Bind it, Windows 2020, with Linux v6.2, and NDS v20.. Well, Then Well Be Getting Somewhere.
Definitly.. It looks like linux/open source has 'won' at a bunch of big computer companies. Next target: Provo.
I think it was Miguel de Icaza who said it best - in *nix no one takes the blame for anything. He was talking about a user friendly / programer friendly desktop enviroment (kernel hackers: "not my problem / falt", X/MIT/xFree: "We do protocolols, not our problem", wm programers: "not my problem" etc, etc.
And we all accept this, more or less. If netscape crashes, its netscapes fault. If the Gimp crashes, its the Gimps fault. If a window manager crashes, its the wms fault. And if linux crashes, its the kernel hackers fault.
However, if anything crashes on Windows, we prehaps unfairly blame microsoft. Now, it may be true that application crashes are far more likely to down the OS in Windows land then in *nix, but, MS is getting better in this respect. We wouldnt shit on Redhat if a module in there kernel was flakey and crashed, would we?
I can remember back in the MS-DOS days, and mis behaving TSRs, and crappy apps would lock up the system compleatly - DOS itself never crashed, and I remember Windows 3.1, which itself crashed a lot, and bad apps downed it too. 95 was better, and 98 was better still, and from what Ive seen at my new job for a week, w2k is excelent in this respect. *nix is not the best here, and windows is not the worst - MVS/OS/390 is proably on top, and MacOS on the bottom (of OSs in use today), so everything is relative
Yes, I use win98 on the desktop at home, and will proably use w2k on the desktop at work, where there are w2k servers (primarly because ColdFusion wasent aviable for linux until recently, and because customers have Access db's). But primarly linux on the servers (and with fridays install of CF4linux, we may ditch w2k servers...) But at my last job (well mainly volunteer), it was solaris and linux on the servers, and linux on all but 1 desktop.
The windows/linux race is to catch up to each other in the opposits strong point, linux to get to the UI of Windows, and Windows to get to the stability of *nix.
I dont know: whats easier, adding stability to Windows, or adding hardware support and UI to linux?
I had trouble sleeping the first couple of nights when it was down to one machine in my room..
2+2=3.999999
2+2=4=3.999999
(4=3.999999)-3
1=0.999999
1/3=0.33333...
(1/3=0.33333...)*3
3/3=0.99999...
1=0.999999...
Or there about.
This is a realy long sentence to confuse slash into thinking that Im not using a lot of caps. Why do all those numbers make slash think Im shouting?