Taxes in postwar U.S. and U.K. were > 90% at the highest income brackets ("One for you nineteen for me."). I have to imagine that at that point there wasn't a whole lot of incentive to put any more than the barest minimum effort into one's job. OTOH, tax level doesn't have anything to do with "getting as much as [one] put[s] in." In theory, even 100% tax could benefit you in the form of government services. Of course, I would take the opposite view, that if I can just keep what I earn then I would rather do without these "services."
The 10th Amendment was effectively nonexistant by the 19th century, IIRC. Jefferson proposed threatening chairmen of the U.S. bank with hanging (as they were committing treason against their states by aiding a "foreign government": the U.S.!). Of course, no one took him seriously, and by the time he took office we were already done for, and he sure didn't help.
Bear in mind that Bellevue is somewhat largely populated by Microsoft employees. I don't know if I'd like my rescue workers battling BSODs in the midst of an earthquake.
But this is not a website about the guy who came up with the idea, or the first guy to implement it. It is just some dude who is making one, in a very obvious way (i.e., make a box, stick some pipes in it). To use your own analogy, would slashdot post a story about a guy building a wooden wheel?
I'm as impressed with water cooling as the next guy, but I don't see how someone building a trivial part of the design is news-for-nerds-worthy.
Obviously professional rack mounts have their pricey little 1U cases, but I skip that step. Good sheet metal design work is very expensive and bad sheet metal design is butt ugly and omnipresent. I just leave my boards out on the racks which you could also call shelves in this case or even statues I suppose. In fact, I make mine of portland cement, but that's another story.
So the board is just hanging out there? I guess that would be okay...I do seem to have my PC open enough that it would save some time. And putting it on a rack means getting it above beverage level.
I'll definitely consider a setup like this. It sounds sweet. Especially the dedicated P2P box. With some proper prioritization set up that would translate directly into lifestyle improvements.
they were saying that it would be a "killer app" so to speak if it HAD an OS
"Killer app" means "killer application," which in turn implies some use of a technology that is desired by a lot of people, and not easily satisfiable otherwise. Even if you did install a general-purpose OS on your video game console and hooked it up to a TV, what do you have? Pretty much just a PC hooked up to a TV, which in itself is not all that exciting; it certainly doesn't demonstrate a "killer app." TiVo has a killer app, IMO, but the important part there is the monthly directory service and the software interface.
Also, I'm wondering about the newsworthiness of this article. Basically it can be summed up as "someone found an old Apple operating system for old Apple hardware, and he installed it, and it worked! Then he tried to compile something using the C compiler, and it worked also!"
Maybe I will see if I can get Windows 3.1 running on a 486. I'm sure my results (if well documented) would make it on slashdot.
I keep two separate KVMs. One is for the boards I'm playing with and one is for the machines that are supposed to be stable. That works quite nicely. And once you try this, you realize you can add board, CPU, RAM units for such little cost your network starts to grow quickly. And why not, for the cost of a Dell PC you can add three or four boards/CPUs.
That's pretty awesome. One note, the KVM isn't even necessary once the boxes are configured and on the network. But is it not true that PCs won't boot w/o keyboard connected? Is there a kind of "fake keyboard" terminator or something that you can plug into the keyboard port to make the system boot?
And all this functionality is from no-name totally generic beige KVM boxes with A,B,C,D on the front that cost about twelve bucks. They're availalbe in USB, or AT + Serial or whatever brightens your day. I don't see why you'd need a name brand or something specifically tailored for multiple OSs. Just buy one and try it, they're quite cheap.
These would be KM switches, or video too? I had no idea they were available so cheaply. My needs in this area are minimal (unless I could share a sync-on-green monitor and a keyboard and mouse between a DEC 3000 and a NuBus Mac, but I'm not holding my breath), but I'm intrigued.
And while you're at it, build your own racks and screw the cases. You don't need to encourage bad design work from Taiwan. I live in Taiwan and I can tell you that the people here are capable of making beautiful designs that put the Japanese to shame, but they go where the money is. If people keep buying these ugly cases, they'll keep making them. If the demand drops maybe they'll start making cool curvy home rack mounts. I say buy the ugly KVMs for now and ditch the cases. Maybe later we'll see both in designer styles at the right prices.
I'm a little confused. I was under the impression that rack-mounted systems did have cases...just rack-mount cases. Above it sounds like you're talking about no cases at all?!? Or by "screw the cases" do you mean "screw the cases to the rack"?:)
And, there is an adaptor for swapping engines between cars, it's called a torch. If you keep the engine with a matching tranny all you have to do is shorten or lengthen the drive shaft to make it fit and possibly bang on some sheet metal and screw with the mounts, but it's not that big of a deal if you're swapping motors anyway.
I had no idea about this. Of course my parent gets modded "Interesting" and yours gets nothing, but that's the nature of the beast. Consider this an unofficial +1 Informative.
Ideally there would be an open design out there that I could adapt to my needs.
What needs? If it switches the KVM, what else do you need? I guess given a choice, open beats closed. But I don't see the utility here.
I've worked with large commercial products before with mixed results, but the prices seem exorbitant for my limited home use.
"Limited home" users shouldn't buy KVMs. What I mean is that rack-mounted servers are also "exorbitant for...limited home use." They're not targetted at home users. If you want to use them, you pay the price.
The "mutant" part comes from the fact that the switch itself has to offer an easy way to adapt to the different platforms it will connect to. Such a switch might use special cables: a custom connector to the switch, but the opposite end will connect to whatever machine you like, be it a PC, a Mac, a workstation or even a TV. Something like this would strike me as a very useful portable device, has anyone developed something like this yet?
Why has no one developed an adapter that will let you put any engine into any car? This is a ton of work, and it's not the kind of adaptation that can be performed without sticking a real CPU in there with every different kind of interface. It's a lot trickier than just shifting wires around. The end result would be an expensive device that no one would pay for: someone would want it for the SGIPC translation but not want to pay for the HP, Mac, etc. translations in the process! This is best accomplished, IMO, by finding converters to whatever format you can (serial, e.g.) and then getting a switch in that protocol.
What is it with these stories about a guy who figured out how to make a box out of copper sheet? This is not very interesting. It is a fucking parallelapiped, not too tricky. Here is a pattern:
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The hard part of a water-cooling system is the circulation of the water, not the stupid box taped to the CPU. Please let this be the last time I have to see this shite on slashdot.:(
Except that if the car thieves know that bait cars aren't used in places where there's no empty parking (ie, places with lots of cars) they'll just target those areas.
This is sounding better and better. If lots of cars is already going to mean there need to be lots of bait cars, then the bait cars should help out with some of the traffic problem. Why don't they double as taxis? This would help offset the cost to taxpayers, and give the average working stiff a break.
An analogy would be: Let's use the two wheels on each half of my car as a seperate vehicle, like a motorcyle, to go 2 places at once. Current vehicles aren't designed to do that. (Although one could be built to do that.)
That is one smooth-ass analogy, sir. Thank you for the help. It's too bad it wouldn't work...you could have Windows 3.1 running twice alongside Linux.
How's this for a variation: have all the architecture of a 64-bit machine (busses, memory, etc.), but then just stick in two 32-bit CPUs? All their I/O to the rest of the system could be masked appropriately, so as far as they know they are running alone!
This would be fast because everything is already right there. It's also cheaper, b/c buying 512MB memory is cheaper than buying 256MB twice.
both of those are actively used on old Macs (pre-PPC chips and everything).
Except for the NuBus PPC's (when you're using a NuBus slot!). I've had a 7100 for awhile, and it's built-in Ethernet has never worked, so I have a card in there. MkLinux couldn't deal with it, and last I checked even NetBSD didn't have drivers for it. So far the only bright spot compatability-wise regarding that box is when the CD drive (300i) worked in an old DEC Alpha (3000 series, known for being picky with SCSI CD-ROM drives). Would love to get a *nix running on that...can never have too many platforms.:)
I don't know why the headline and intro here make it sound like this is some kind of top-secret research project that's only now being revealed. Wasn't A/UX a fairly well-known and succesful product?
Horses? I thought Athlon was some fake Greek god or sauce or something. Personally, if I were AMD I would avoid giving my CPUs names so similar to "Teflon." I don't want to use the phrase "could fry an egg on", but let's just say that there are already far too many similarities between my CPU and various cooking implements.
Hm, 64 bits is really interesting. I am by no means an electrician, so perhaps someone could tell me if this is plausible, but... would it be possible to use a 64 bit CPU as a dual 32 bit CPU? Like instead of running a 64 bit OS, you run a SMP 32 bit OS or even two 32 bit OS's in parallel. I see no reason why it wouldn't work. Just have one OS use only the first half of each address or register, and the other OS use the other half. With a little clever masking, it should work!
If the vast majority of PCs are sold with WinDOS FORCED onto them by exclusive OEM contracts, then infact all PC users have a right to use WinDOS.
Well, just that same "vast majority." My PC, for example, has no Windows licensed to it, and likely never will. It's not that simple, also, b/c lots of the bigger PC makers have their own modified versions of Windows.
Also, donated computers are almost by definition outdated. The donators probably don't intend to keep the old copies of Win95 that came with the boxes, so MS is just trying to tell the donatees to remind the donators to get them the licenses as well.
That really surprises me. Doesn't the use of.so dynamic libraries depend on ELF? I thought that was why Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD, etc. switched in the first place. Or does OpenBSD use some kind of improved a.out on steroids?
Also, how come OpenBSD has way better "album covers" than any other OS? No offense to Linus Torvalds, but the penguin is pretty dumb. Worse even than the BSD "daemon", and definitely no match for that puffer fish or whatever. Also, the name "Tux" is dumb...it is not clever to point out that penguins look like they are wearing tuxedoes. It would be much better if the mascot were a guy in a tux whose name was "Penguin". Haha. Also, is "Tux" supposed to rhyme with "Linux"? That means it's either pronounced "Tix" or "Toox", both of which sound stupid and make no sense.
After perusing (= carefully reading) responses to this message, I have reconsidered.
It is true that by using this car-bait technique the police will effectively rid the cities of criminals (at least car thieves, but there is no reason this principle could not be used to catch other criminals, such as gamblers and pedophiles). In this way, we achieve the ultimate protection. As one reply said, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Likewise, the best defense is a good offense, and we should nip these kinds of activities in the bud.
I do no longer mind funding for as many of these sneaky cars as is necessary to finally clean up the streets of America. My one request is that they be utilized only in areas which have a surplus of parking, and that they not be driven during rush hours. Traffic affects us all in more ways than one.
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Taxes in postwar U.S. and U.K. were > 90% at the highest income brackets ("One for you nineteen for me."). I have to imagine that at that point there wasn't a whole lot of incentive to put any more than the barest minimum effort into one's job. OTOH, tax level doesn't have anything to do with "getting as much as [one] put[s] in." In theory, even 100% tax could benefit you in the form of government services. Of course, I would take the opposite view, that if I can just keep what I earn then I would rather do without these "services."
The 10th Amendment was effectively nonexistant by the 19th century, IIRC. Jefferson proposed threatening chairmen of the U.S. bank with hanging (as they were committing treason against their states by aiding a "foreign government": the U.S.!). Of course, no one took him seriously, and by the time he took office we were already done for, and he sure didn't help.
Bear in mind that Bellevue is somewhat largely populated by Microsoft employees. I don't know if I'd like my rescue workers battling BSODs in the midst of an earthquake.
Nice try, but everyone knows there are no Libertarians on the Internet.
I'm as impressed with water cooling as the next guy, but I don't see how someone building a trivial part of the design is news-for-nerds-worthy.
So the board is just hanging out there? I guess that would be okay...I do seem to have my PC open enough that it would save some time. And putting it on a rack means getting it above beverage level.
I'll definitely consider a setup like this. It sounds sweet. Especially the dedicated P2P box. With some proper prioritization set up that would translate directly into lifestyle improvements.
Why this story wasn't called "Intel Goes Banias" is beyond me.
"Killer app" means "killer application," which in turn implies some use of a technology that is desired by a lot of people, and not easily satisfiable otherwise. Even if you did install a general-purpose OS on your video game console and hooked it up to a TV, what do you have? Pretty much just a PC hooked up to a TV, which in itself is not all that exciting; it certainly doesn't demonstrate a "killer app." TiVo has a killer app, IMO, but the important part there is the monthly directory service and the software interface.
Maybe I will see if I can get Windows 3.1 running on a 486. I'm sure my results (if well documented) would make it on slashdot.
If so, is it intentional or unintentional?
That's pretty awesome. One note, the KVM isn't even necessary once the boxes are configured and on the network. But is it not true that PCs won't boot w/o keyboard connected? Is there a kind of "fake keyboard" terminator or something that you can plug into the keyboard port to make the system boot?
And all this functionality is from no-name totally generic beige KVM boxes with A,B,C,D on the front that cost about twelve bucks. They're availalbe in USB, or AT + Serial or whatever brightens your day. I don't see why you'd need a name brand or something specifically tailored for multiple OSs. Just buy one and try it, they're quite cheap.
These would be KM switches, or video too? I had no idea they were available so cheaply. My needs in this area are minimal (unless I could share a sync-on-green monitor and a keyboard and mouse between a DEC 3000 and a NuBus Mac, but I'm not holding my breath), but I'm intrigued.
And while you're at it, build your own racks and screw the cases. You don't need to encourage bad design work from Taiwan. I live in Taiwan and I can tell you that the people here are capable of making beautiful designs that put the Japanese to shame, but they go where the money is. If people keep buying these ugly cases, they'll keep making them. If the demand drops maybe they'll start making cool curvy home rack mounts. I say buy the ugly KVMs for now and ditch the cases. Maybe later we'll see both in designer styles at the right prices.
I'm a little confused. I was under the impression that rack-mounted systems did have cases...just rack-mount cases. Above it sounds like you're talking about no cases at all?!? Or by "screw the cases" do you mean "screw the cases to the rack"? :)
And, there is an adaptor for swapping engines between cars, it's called a torch. If you keep the engine with a matching tranny all you have to do is shorten or lengthen the drive shaft to make it fit and possibly bang on some sheet metal and screw with the mounts, but it's not that big of a deal if you're swapping motors anyway.
I had no idea about this. Of course my parent gets modded "Interesting" and yours gets nothing, but that's the nature of the beast. Consider this an unofficial +1 Informative.
My bad, this should have said SGI<->PC.
What needs? If it switches the KVM, what else do you need? I guess given a choice, open beats closed. But I don't see the utility here.
I've worked with large commercial products before with mixed results, but the prices seem exorbitant for my limited home use.
"Limited home" users shouldn't buy KVMs. What I mean is that rack-mounted servers are also "exorbitant for...limited home use." They're not targetted at home users. If you want to use them, you pay the price.
The "mutant" part comes from the fact that the switch itself has to offer an easy way to adapt to the different platforms it will connect to. Such a switch might use special cables: a custom connector to the switch, but the opposite end will connect to whatever machine you like, be it a PC, a Mac, a workstation or even a TV. Something like this would strike me as a very useful portable device, has anyone developed something like this yet?
Why has no one developed an adapter that will let you put any engine into any car? This is a ton of work, and it's not the kind of adaptation that can be performed without sticking a real CPU in there with every different kind of interface. It's a lot trickier than just shifting wires around. The end result would be an expensive device that no one would pay for: someone would want it for the SGIPC translation but not want to pay for the HP, Mac, etc. translations in the process! This is best accomplished, IMO, by finding converters to whatever format you can (serial, e.g.) and then getting a switch in that protocol.
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The hard part of a water-cooling system is the circulation of the water, not the stupid box taped to the CPU. Please let this be the last time I have to see this shite on slashdot. :(
God forbid only one of it be profitable.
Holy shit dude. You are awesome. If they have a driver for my network card it will rule. I owe you one. Peace.
This is sounding better and better. If lots of cars is already going to mean there need to be lots of bait cars, then the bait cars should help out with some of the traffic problem. Why don't they double as taxis? This would help offset the cost to taxpayers, and give the average working stiff a break.
That is one smooth-ass analogy, sir. Thank you for the help. It's too bad it wouldn't work...you could have Windows 3.1 running twice alongside Linux.
How's this for a variation: have all the architecture of a 64-bit machine (busses, memory, etc.), but then just stick in two 32-bit CPUs? All their I/O to the rest of the system could be masked appropriately, so as far as they know they are running alone!
This would be fast because everything is already right there. It's also cheaper, b/c buying 512MB memory is cheaper than buying 256MB twice.
Except for the NuBus PPC's (when you're using a NuBus slot!). I've had a 7100 for awhile, and it's built-in Ethernet has never worked, so I have a card in there. MkLinux couldn't deal with it, and last I checked even NetBSD didn't have drivers for it. So far the only bright spot compatability-wise regarding that box is when the CD drive (300i) worked in an old DEC Alpha (3000 series, known for being picky with SCSI CD-ROM drives). Would love to get a *nix running on that...can never have too many platforms. :)
I don't know why the headline and intro here make it sound like this is some kind of top-secret research project that's only now being revealed. Wasn't A/UX a fairly well-known and succesful product?
Horses? I thought Athlon was some fake Greek god or sauce or something. Personally, if I were AMD I would avoid giving my CPUs names so similar to "Teflon." I don't want to use the phrase "could fry an egg on", but let's just say that there are already far too many similarities between my CPU and various cooking implements.
Hm, 64 bits is really interesting. I am by no means an electrician, so perhaps someone could tell me if this is plausible, but... would it be possible to use a 64 bit CPU as a dual 32 bit CPU? Like instead of running a 64 bit OS, you run a SMP 32 bit OS or even two 32 bit OS's in parallel. I see no reason why it wouldn't work. Just have one OS use only the first half of each address or register, and the other OS use the other half. With a little clever masking, it should work!
Well, just that same "vast majority." My PC, for example, has no Windows licensed to it, and likely never will. It's not that simple, also, b/c lots of the bigger PC makers have their own modified versions of Windows.
Also, donated computers are almost by definition outdated. The donators probably don't intend to keep the old copies of Win95 that came with the boxes, so MS is just trying to tell the donatees to remind the donators to get them the licenses as well.
Also, how come OpenBSD has way better "album covers" than any other OS? No offense to Linus Torvalds, but the penguin is pretty dumb. Worse even than the BSD "daemon", and definitely no match for that puffer fish or whatever. Also, the name "Tux" is dumb...it is not clever to point out that penguins look like they are wearing tuxedoes. It would be much better if the mascot were a guy in a tux whose name was "Penguin". Haha. Also, is "Tux" supposed to rhyme with "Linux"? That means it's either pronounced "Tix" or "Toox", both of which sound stupid and make no sense.
It is true that by using this car-bait technique the police will effectively rid the cities of criminals (at least car thieves, but there is no reason this principle could not be used to catch other criminals, such as gamblers and pedophiles). In this way, we achieve the ultimate protection. As one reply said, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Likewise, the best defense is a good offense, and we should nip these kinds of activities in the bud.
I do no longer mind funding for as many of these sneaky cars as is necessary to finally clean up the streets of America. My one request is that they be utilized only in areas which have a surplus of parking, and that they not be driven during rush hours. Traffic affects us all in more ways than one.