DS9 is widely considered to be the best Trek series, and the Transformers movie was adored by every single Transformers fan I've ever run across. Your examples are rather poor.
Judging by pictures alone (I've never seen any of these actors perform, so I have no idea if they can act), most of the cast looks perfect for their character... except Kirk. I have no idea how they fell flat on their face for the lead character, but he looks like a chump. It's awful.
Fair enough. I guess I'm quibbling, too, my point was really to point out that just because copyright law was enacted for reason A, doesn't mean reason B isn't a valid reason to want to keep it around.
Yes, but "is" can mean "the reason it was put into place", or "the reason I think it should be in place". It's ambiguous, and the post reads to me like he meant the latter.
Just because that's what the current laws are based on does not mean one can't be of the opinion that copyright is a good thing because of moral/property rights. Your statement is correct, but does not refute the GP's statement that copyright law should be there to protect the creator.
(your ideology being that poor people should be
helped, and that this should be done by providing
them with free-as-in-beer electronic junk)
Terrible assumption you've made. I think we should help poor people by whatever means possible (ethics permitting, of course... no killing people to help the poor or some crazy scenario like that, and no, it is not unethical to give them proprietary software). Free software, proprietary software... it's the same in my book. Use whichever helps your goals more.
So if you want to call helping the less fortunate an "ideology", then I guess I'm a zealot for that ideology. But I don't think that's a reasonable categorization by a long shot.
If you were doing OLPC because you're a zealot looking to promote your ideology, not to help out poor people, you were doing it so wrong it's not even funny.
I don't know about you, but I'm able to appreciate that some of the things I don't like are nevertheless high quality.
I can appreciate a certain amount of craftsmanship, even in works I don't like, yes. I don't agree that there must be some other metric at work here, though. If there is no objective measurement, what do we have? How can we stand on any sort of firm ground when we make claims about the quality of an artistic work? I think that not having an objective measure necessarily means that all art is of the same quality, and can only be measured by how much/how many people like it.
If someone can give us a good, objective metric, I'm all for it, but I've never seen anything close to that. All we have right now is touchy-feely sort-of metrics (a bunch of us agree that this is good art, so it is, even though we can't say why it is), and that's not what I'd call valid.
America just elected a black man to the office of President and so far he has received over 500 death threats... Yeah, somehow he's still way more mellow than you.
Yeah, and he has to be. It's anyone's guess if he would be so mellow about it if it wasn't necessary.
Rethink your definition of personal attack
I'm using the standard definition. Maybe you should rethink yours.
and while you're at it rethink your priorities as a human being, k?
If you think this discussion, or this site, or a TV show, takes any sort of high priority in my life, you're dreaming. I'm killing time here (as are you, I should point out, so don't even try to pretend like you have some magical correctness of priorities over me).
Go figure: I get a little bit irritated when people start personally attacking me. If you wanted the discussion to remain calm, blame yourself, because you're the one who started using personal attacks.
I disagree. There is no such thing as an objective measurement for art, so we can't ever really say that something is "good" or "bad". Since Futurama is meant to entertain, I hold that as long as even one person enjoys it, it can't be said to be "bad". The strongest statement that can be made is "I didn't enjoy this". This applies to all entertainment, and is why it's ludicrous to make claims like "you're wrong that this thing is good". There's no basis for such a statement.
I'd like there to be an objective measurement for art, but there just isn't, and acting as if there is ignores the unfortunate reality.
Sorry for being so argumentative... www.bringbackfuturama.com is a really nice site and you must have put a lot of work into it. I can understand why you need to believe.
Huh? How fucking impossible is it to believe that I legitimately enjoy it, not out of desperation, but because I like it? Are you that stuck on yourself that you think just because you don't like something, no one else does?
It made me laugh. If it wasn't funny to you (and I agree BWABB was crap, but Bender's Big Score and Bender's Game were classic material), that's fine, but the show is as funny as it EVER was. Just because you don't enjoy it, doesn't mean tons and tons of fans don't.
Indeed it was. We've known that the lasers make them go fast for years. I mean, come on guys, the lasers go at the speed of light, of course they make the sharks go fast!
All I can say is you must be doing it wrong. I game on the PC, and there are no herculean efforts involved.
... I'm no longer a student and have to work for a living.
Me too. That doesn't preclude gaming on the PC in the least. Again, I have no idea what you might be doing wrong, but this just screams "you're doing it wrong" to me.
Except they are. No one (or at least, very few) rents or buys used games all the time. The average customer likely buys used sometimes, and buys new sometimes. Now they're screwing him over, and he'll never buy from them again. This is stupidity at its finest.
Not only that, money-grubbing whores who have said they're turning their backs on the very fans that propelled them to success (PC gamers). Fuck those guys.
Do they seriously think their customer base will stand for behavior like that? Anyone who has ever bought a used game will cease to buy any games, new or used, by companies that try to pull this shit. Consumers don't like being raked over the coals.
Holy fuck, you need to work on your reading comprehension.
It is clearly exactly what he says it is, or probably something like it, so cut him some slack.
I have said no such thing. I have said "We have no idea what his deal is, we aren't in a position to know what his deal is, so while you shouldn't necessarily accept what he says at face value, don't jump down his fucking throat."
So, get a life and stop pissing on people's ideas because you're bored. You're almost as bad as he is, you're both attention whores looking for sympathy.
Hardly. I'm someone who, futile as it may be, tries to get people to treat each other with some fucking respect (which is a rare and precious trait irl, much less on the internet). This is not about me being bored or attention whoring (I have far more effective ways to combat boredom or get attention), it's about me standing up for what I believe to be right. You started out by jumping down the OP's throat, even though you have no reasonable way of knowing his claim is false. That's what I take issue with, and always have... the fact that you think I'm trying to say the OP necessarily has something wrong going on, or anything about his mental state for that matter, speaks extremely poorly of your ability to understand what the fuck people say.
Regardless, we're done here. If you still are incapable of understanding my point, after all this, nothing anyone ever says will get through to you. Enjoy berating people even in the absence of meaningful evidence that they deserve it, I guess.
One thing that Circuit City impressed me with was their willingness to stock some computer repair stuff, which Best Buy doesn't really mess around with. I can never recall seeing thermal grease at Best Buy, but I found it in short order at Circuit City last time I needed some.
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DS9 is widely considered to be the best Trek series, and the Transformers movie was adored by every single Transformers fan I've ever run across. Your examples are rather poor.
Judging by pictures alone (I've never seen any of these actors perform, so I have no idea if they can act), most of the cast looks perfect for their character... except Kirk. I have no idea how they fell flat on their face for the lead character, but he looks like a chump. It's awful.
1998 called, they want their OS criticisms back.
Fair enough. I guess I'm quibbling, too, my point was really to point out that just because copyright law was enacted for reason A, doesn't mean reason B isn't a valid reason to want to keep it around.
Yes, but "is" can mean "the reason it was put into place", or "the reason I think it should be in place". It's ambiguous, and the post reads to me like he meant the latter.
Just because that's what the current laws are based on does not mean one can't be of the opinion that copyright is a good thing because of moral/property rights. Your statement is correct, but does not refute the GP's statement that copyright law should be there to protect the creator.
(your ideology being that poor people should be helped, and that this should be done by providing them with free-as-in-beer electronic junk)
Terrible assumption you've made. I think we should help poor people by whatever means possible (ethics permitting, of course... no killing people to help the poor or some crazy scenario like that, and no, it is not unethical to give them proprietary software). Free software, proprietary software... it's the same in my book. Use whichever helps your goals more.
So if you want to call helping the less fortunate an "ideology", then I guess I'm a zealot for that ideology. But I don't think that's a reasonable categorization by a long shot.
If you were doing OLPC because you're a zealot looking to promote your ideology, not to help out poor people, you were doing it so wrong it's not even funny.
I don't know about you, but I'm able to appreciate that some of the things I don't like are nevertheless high quality.
I can appreciate a certain amount of craftsmanship, even in works I don't like, yes. I don't agree that there must be some other metric at work here, though. If there is no objective measurement, what do we have? How can we stand on any sort of firm ground when we make claims about the quality of an artistic work? I think that not having an objective measure necessarily means that all art is of the same quality, and can only be measured by how much/how many people like it.
If someone can give us a good, objective metric, I'm all for it, but I've never seen anything close to that. All we have right now is touchy-feely sort-of metrics (a bunch of us agree that this is good art, so it is, even though we can't say why it is), and that's not what I'd call valid.
America just elected a black man to the office of President and so far he has received over 500 death threats... Yeah, somehow he's still way more mellow than you.
Yeah, and he has to be. It's anyone's guess if he would be so mellow about it if it wasn't necessary.
Rethink your definition of personal attack
I'm using the standard definition. Maybe you should rethink yours.
and while you're at it rethink your priorities as a human being, k?
If you think this discussion, or this site, or a TV show, takes any sort of high priority in my life, you're dreaming. I'm killing time here (as are you, I should point out, so don't even try to pretend like you have some magical correctness of priorities over me).
Go figure: I get a little bit irritated when people start personally attacking me. If you wanted the discussion to remain calm, blame yourself, because you're the one who started using personal attacks.
I disagree. There is no such thing as an objective measurement for art, so we can't ever really say that something is "good" or "bad". Since Futurama is meant to entertain, I hold that as long as even one person enjoys it, it can't be said to be "bad". The strongest statement that can be made is "I didn't enjoy this". This applies to all entertainment, and is why it's ludicrous to make claims like "you're wrong that this thing is good". There's no basis for such a statement.
I'd like there to be an objective measurement for art, but there just isn't, and acting as if there is ignores the unfortunate reality.
Sorry for being so argumentative... www.bringbackfuturama.com is a really nice site and you must have put a lot of work into it. I can understand why you need to believe.
Huh? How fucking impossible is it to believe that I legitimately enjoy it, not out of desperation, but because I like it? Are you that stuck on yourself that you think just because you don't like something, no one else does?
You'd have a point, except I never complained about the first point. Unlike 99% of the users here, I support copyright law.
It made me laugh. If it wasn't funny to you (and I agree BWABB was crap, but Bender's Big Score and Bender's Game were classic material), that's fine, but the show is as funny as it EVER was. Just because you don't enjoy it, doesn't mean tons and tons of fans don't.
like Futurama back when IT was funny.
So, today, in other words. Cause Futurama is still funny.
Indeed it was. We've known that the lasers make them go fast for years. I mean, come on guys, the lasers go at the speed of light, of course they make the sharks go fast!
The herculean efforts involved in PC gaming...
All I can say is you must be doing it wrong. I game on the PC, and there are no herculean efforts involved.
... I'm no longer a student and have to work for a living.
Me too. That doesn't preclude gaming on the PC in the least. Again, I have no idea what you might be doing wrong, but this just screams "you're doing it wrong" to me.
And Canonical is losing money on the proposition, as we discussed recently.
Consider that for a while.
Don't worry, most native speakers will need that link too. Thanks for providing it.
Except they are. No one (or at least, very few) rents or buys used games all the time. The average customer likely buys used sometimes, and buys new sometimes. Now they're screwing him over, and he'll never buy from them again. This is stupidity at its finest.
Not only that, money-grubbing whores who have said they're turning their backs on the very fans that propelled them to success (PC gamers). Fuck those guys.
Do they seriously think their customer base will stand for behavior like that? Anyone who has ever bought a used game will cease to buy any games, new or used, by companies that try to pull this shit. Consumers don't like being raked over the coals.
It is clearly exactly what he says it is, or probably something like it, so cut him some slack.
I have said no such thing. I have said "We have no idea what his deal is, we aren't in a position to know what his deal is, so while you shouldn't necessarily accept what he says at face value, don't jump down his fucking throat."
So, get a life and stop pissing on people's ideas because you're bored. You're almost as bad as he is, you're both attention whores looking for sympathy.
Hardly. I'm someone who, futile as it may be, tries to get people to treat each other with some fucking respect (which is a rare and precious trait irl, much less on the internet). This is not about me being bored or attention whoring (I have far more effective ways to combat boredom or get attention), it's about me standing up for what I believe to be right. You started out by jumping down the OP's throat, even though you have no reasonable way of knowing his claim is false. That's what I take issue with, and always have... the fact that you think I'm trying to say the OP necessarily has something wrong going on, or anything about his mental state for that matter, speaks extremely poorly of your ability to understand what the fuck people say.
Regardless, we're done here. If you still are incapable of understanding my point, after all this, nothing anyone ever says will get through to you. Enjoy berating people even in the absence of meaningful evidence that they deserve it, I guess.
One thing that Circuit City impressed me with was their willingness to stock some computer repair stuff, which Best Buy doesn't really mess around with. I can never recall seeing thermal grease at Best Buy, but I found it in short order at Circuit City last time I needed some.