These hugely wasteful UIs are what we supposed to use and love now. I understand them on touchscreens...but desktop users should have at least an option to use a compact, old-school UI.
That, together with monocromatic icons makes me hate modern UIs (specifically Windows 10's UI).
I'll make the opposite question? Why can't I get something like Windows 7 even if I pay?
Something that respects the user privacy, that doesn't show me ads, that doesn't try to force Ms apps and services on me, that gives me full control over my machine, you know, a proper OS.
Well, it's pretty obvious that Google doesn't want a file manager in Android because it doesn't fit their goals. They want you to store everything on the cloud so they can datamine the hell out of it
I hate that mobile OSs give the user so little control over their own devices, they should be like a PC only smaller. And, no, that doesn't mean they should be hard to use for regular users just that they shouldn't prevent power users to use their devices as they see fit
Less attention? It seems to me they're actually working against it to push people to move to Windows 10
Can't help but compare the Windows 10 situation where they're pushing many changes that many people don't like to the Xbox One release where they had to back down on many of their plans because people where threatening to go en masse to the PS4.
Conclusion: Competition good, monopoly bad
I prefer to pay full price and to have clean software. Windows was this way up to now.
Microsoft no longer makes a version of Windows I like I guess I'll have to go elsewhere
Honestly, I can't imagine why would defend what Microsoft is doing with windows 10 at this point. You gotta imagine they're either trolls or work for ms.... but no, apparently some people are happy being owned by ms
Yeah, and I don't like there either. I shouldn't be forced to have this crap on my destkop system.
I'd pay money if I was guaranteed that Google would stop spying me on my Android phone. Also to be able to be root with official support(no, exploits aren't good enough because they're security holes by definition and because obiviously only work on the hw/sw version combos which haven't removed those holes)
Space management is a freaking hell in Android and I say that as someone who otherwise loves the platform.
I recently (also have an s4) had space troubles and it turns out a system app called "download manager" or something like that (sorry I don't remember and also my phone is in Spanish) was using around 1GB of cache.
Also, new smartphones should have a minimum 32GB of internal memory and it'd be nice if Android allowed apps being installed (completely, not partially like some allow now) install apps in MicroSD cards.
I pray to the gods that games developers start releasing most games on Linux. That day I'll ditch Windows forever (at home at least).
While I'm happy with 7 I hate hate hate Windows 10!
You're being a bit naive.
What you propose would be going against the direction they're pushing so hard towards. And those things you hate (I hate them too) are conscious decisions. They're not going to revert their course without a huge reason, and that's not likely to happen since most "real word joes" just don't care.
I'd like as much as you that they returned to something like Windows 7 but that's sadly just not going to happen.
Microsoft will surely go this route first: You won't be able to install applications from outside the Store without toggling some option.
Later on, if adoption of the Store is high enough maybe they'll actually forbid installing from outside.
Also, the intent of both Microsoft and Apple is obviously to force to go through their respective stores, it's just that the condtions are not favorable enough yet.
It's so sad they're trying to take control away from users
...This is a guy that participated in the development of ReactOS. It seems he's pretty smart. A pity he abandoned the project. It really needs people like him.
As for #2, hello, phones being sold running Cyanogen and others based on AOSP derivatives, but they don't have a big market share yet, or maybe ever.
It's not well explained in the summary, but one of the conditions when licensing the Play Store for inclusion in your Android phones is that you can't release phones with Android forks. I don't know the exact wording but you get the idea. So #2 is actually true, it's just not clearly explained in the summary
I'd love something like that too, I'd even settle for color eink for the time being (since reading would be my most important application) but it seems we're not getting nearer to it.
Some years ago eink was all the rage, nowadays I don't follow the news so much but it seems there's no progress in that area.
Haven't you gotten the memo? You're supposed to use, simple, feature-limited mobile apps in your desktop and throw away the featureful, desktop-oriented-UI programs we've been using for decades...because...reasons and then doing your work...I don't know how.
Now with nice formatting...
I had already modded but I feel I have to contribute...
- On Win 10 they heavily push they services and if you eventually use them:
-- They get tons of data about you which they can presumably monetize
-- They can also make money directly off them.
Those services include : Windows Store (30% cut of all the purchases like Google and Apple in their mobile app stores), OneDrive (data and maybe you'll plunk down money for extra space), Cortana (data), etc.
Also they get you into their ecosystem (Win 10 integrates quite well with Xbox One) and they figure that'll make them extra money: Maybe you'll buy a Windows Phone or an Xbox. The intention is also to help them gain marketshare on mobile where they trail Android and iOS by a wide margin. And the PC is a stagnant market while the growth and money is on mobile.
To sum up, they basically saw the PC as a platform on decline (which it is) and thought using their dominance on PC to try to push you to their services and devices ecosystem and try to gain marketshare on mobile where they were practically dead.
I had already modded but I feel I have to contribute...
- On Win 10 they heavily push they services and if you eventually use them:
-- They get tons of data about you which they can presumably monetize
-- They can also make money directly off them.
Those services include : Windows Store (30% cut of all the purchases like Google and Apple in their mobile app stores), OneDrive (data and maybe you'll plunk down money for extra space), Cortana (data), etc.
Also they get you into their ecosystem (Win 10 integrates quite well with Xbox One) and they figure that'll make them extra money: Maybe you'll buy a Windows Phone or an Xbox. The intention is also to help them gain marketshare on mobile where they trail Android and iOS by a wide margin. And the PC is a stagnant market while the growth and money is on mobile.
To sum up, they basically saw the PC as a platform on decline (which it is) and thought using their dominance on PC to try to push you to their services and devices ecosystem and try to gain marketshare on mobile where they were practically dead.
If they opensourced Windows people would be able to remove the Windows Store, the telemetry, the horrible flat touch-oriented UI and they sure as hell don't want that
4, Used to group tabs by topic: news, programming docs, etc.
I thinks it's a neat idea altough it was probably invented by Opera 15 years ago. If few people use it I think making it an extension is the right call
Yes, I understand that. I'm aware Amazon hardware is "sponsored", and that's fine by me as long as you're aware about what your buying, but I was speaking about the state of mobile OSes in general. I should've made it clear. My post was in fact semi offtopic
But Windows 10 was supposedly the "we listened to you" version. They added the start menu back, (Well, sort of: They added a version of the start menu that does fewer things than the old one) but they also added many things many people dislike, like the forced updates, the nagging the use Ms services, etc.
To sum up, they're to deep in the "things I hate" pit I don't think they're ever coming back. We got to accept it, Ms have changed they strategy and they're not going back.
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These hugely wasteful UIs are what we supposed to use and love now. I understand them on touchscreens ...but desktop users should have at least an option to use a compact, old-school UI.
That, together with monocromatic icons makes me hate modern UIs (specifically Windows 10's UI).
Fun fact: Skype for Business' executable file is still named lync.exe
I'll make the opposite question? Why can't I get something like Windows 7 even if I pay?
Something that respects the user privacy, that doesn't show me ads, that doesn't try to force Ms apps and services on me, that gives me full control over my machine, you know, a proper OS.
Well, it's pretty obvious that Google doesn't want a file manager in Android because it doesn't fit their goals. They want you to store everything on the cloud so they can datamine the hell out of it
I hate that mobile OSs give the user so little control over their own devices, they should be like a PC only smaller. And, no, that doesn't mean they should be hard to use for regular users just that they shouldn't prevent power users to use their devices as they see fit
Less attention? It seems to me they're actually working against it to push people to move to Windows 10
Can't help but compare the Windows 10 situation where they're pushing many changes that many people don't like to the Xbox One release where they had to back down on many of their plans because people where threatening to go en masse to the PS4.
Conclusion: Competition good, monopoly bad
I prefer to pay full price and to have clean software. Windows was this way up to now.
Microsoft no longer makes a version of Windows I like I guess I'll have to go elsewhere
Honestly, I can't imagine why would defend what Microsoft is doing with windows 10 at this point. You gotta imagine they're either trolls or work for ms. ... but no, apparently some people are happy being owned by ms
Yeah, and I don't like there either. I shouldn't be forced to have this crap on my destkop system.
I'd pay money if I was guaranteed that Google would stop spying me on my Android phone. Also to be able to be root with official support(no, exploits aren't good enough because they're security holes by definition and because obiviously only work on the hw/sw version combos which haven't removed those holes)
Software you've paid for shouldn't have any ads at all. This is outrageous
Space management is a freaking hell in Android and I say that as someone who otherwise loves the platform.
I recently (also have an s4) had space troubles and it turns out a system app called "download manager" or something like that (sorry I don't remember and also my phone is in Spanish) was using around 1GB of cache.
Also, new smartphones should have a minimum 32GB of internal memory and it'd be nice if Android allowed apps being installed (completely, not partially like some allow now) install apps in MicroSD cards.
I pray to the gods that games developers start releasing most games on Linux. That day I'll ditch Windows forever (at home at least).
While I'm happy with 7 I hate hate hate Windows 10!
You're being a bit naive.
What you propose would be going against the direction they're pushing so hard towards. And those things you hate (I hate them too) are conscious decisions. They're not going to revert their course without a huge reason, and that's not likely to happen since most "real word joes" just don't care.
I'd like as much as you that they returned to something like Windows 7 but that's sadly just not going to happen.
Microsoft will surely go this route first: You won't be able to install applications from outside the Store without toggling some option.
Later on, if adoption of the Store is high enough maybe they'll actually forbid installing from outside.
Also, the intent of both Microsoft and Apple is obviously to force to go through their respective stores, it's just that the condtions are not favorable enough yet.
It's so sad they're trying to take control away from users
...This is a guy that participated in the development of ReactOS. It seems he's pretty smart. A pity he abandoned the project. It really needs people like him.
As for #2, hello, phones being sold running Cyanogen and others based on AOSP derivatives, but they don't have a big market share yet, or maybe ever.
It's not well explained in the summary, but one of the conditions when licensing the Play Store for inclusion in your Android phones is that you can't release phones with Android forks. I don't know the exact wording but you get the idea. So #2 is actually true, it's just not clearly explained in the summary
I'd love something like that too, I'd even settle for color eink for the time being (since reading would be my most important application) but it seems we're not getting nearer to it.
Some years ago eink was all the rage, nowadays I don't follow the news so much but it seems there's no progress in that area.
Haven't you gotten the memo? You're supposed to use, simple, feature-limited mobile apps in your desktop and throw away the featureful, desktop-oriented-UI programs we've been using for decades...because...reasons and then doing your work...I don't know how.
Now with nice formatting... I had already modded but I feel I have to contribute...
- On Win 10 they heavily push they services and if you eventually use them:
-- They get tons of data about you which they can presumably monetize
-- They can also make money directly off them.
Those services include : Windows Store (30% cut of all the purchases like Google and Apple in their mobile app stores), OneDrive (data and maybe you'll plunk down money for extra space), Cortana (data), etc.
Also they get you into their ecosystem (Win 10 integrates quite well with Xbox One) and they figure that'll make them extra money: Maybe you'll buy a Windows Phone or an Xbox. The intention is also to help them gain marketshare on mobile where they trail Android and iOS by a wide margin. And the PC is a stagnant market while the growth and money is on mobile.
To sum up, they basically saw the PC as a platform on decline (which it is) and thought using their dominance on PC to try to push you to their services and devices ecosystem and try to gain marketshare on mobile where they were practically dead.
I had already modded but I feel I have to contribute...
- On Win 10 they heavily push they services and if you eventually use them: -- They get tons of data about you which they can presumably monetize -- They can also make money directly off them. Those services include : Windows Store (30% cut of all the purchases like Google and Apple in their mobile app stores), OneDrive (data and maybe you'll plunk down money for extra space), Cortana (data), etc. Also they get you into their ecosystem (Win 10 integrates quite well with Xbox One) and they figure that'll make them extra money: Maybe you'll buy a Windows Phone or an Xbox. The intention is also to help them gain marketshare on mobile where they trail Android and iOS by a wide margin. And the PC is a stagnant market while the growth and money is on mobile.
To sum up, they basically saw the PC as a platform on decline (which it is) and thought using their dominance on PC to try to push you to their services and devices ecosystem and try to gain marketshare on mobile where they were practically dead.
If they opensourced Windows people would be able to remove the Windows Store, the telemetry, the horrible flat touch-oriented UI and they sure as hell don't want that
I didn't find many bugs in it either. Calling it that may have been just an excuse
4, Used to group tabs by topic: news, programming docs, etc.
I thinks it's a neat idea altough it was probably invented by Opera 15 years ago. If few people use it I think making it an extension is the right call
Yes, I understand that. I'm aware Amazon hardware is "sponsored", and that's fine by me as long as you're aware about what your buying, but I was speaking about the state of mobile OSes in general. I should've made it clear. My post was in fact semi offtopic
But Windows 10 was supposedly the "we listened to you" version. They added the start menu back, (Well, sort of: They added a version of the start menu that does fewer things than the old one) but they also added many things many people dislike, like the forced updates, the nagging the use Ms services, etc.
To sum up, they're to deep in the "things I hate" pit I don't think they're ever coming back. We got to accept it, Ms have changed they strategy and they're not going back.