You got to be kidding me, how can you assume that C will ever die?
It is still the basic language people learn to continue into other programming languages.
How many of the now current programming languages aren't similar too C? Each of them differ amongst themselves, but once you know C you easily can move into another language with those basic skills.
the 15.x.x.x isn't fully used anymore at HP. During the time they were merging the different offices globally they started also switching from 15.x.x.x to 16.x.x.x. Although the otherway round would be true as well for some offices, but they still have a huge amount of IP's available in the 15.x.x.x range to allocate them to other 'friendly' companies for some nice cash.
Although at the time they switch to the 16.x space where I worked, the rumor was going round they were selling the 15.x.x.x range.
Once a cop has to reveal his identity in court, he nolonger can go back undercover. The secret is out at that moment, especially in the underworld. So whatever this lists contain, is something those people already know.
But this brings another topic to mind, what about the safety of these people, there are still people not aware of some undercover activities which should be left unknown as they probably were part of a bigger operation. Those people might want to get those informers and/or undercover cops out of the way, so this list will put their lives at stake.
But aren't undercover cops given a new identity if they run this risk?
Moving to Linux wouldn't be a cost-saving.
Yes, the hardware it runs on is cheaper, you have a whole community maintaining it the base
code, but no-one actually can garantuee the same quality of service, support and SLA's.
The OS for most systems comes free with the hardware you purchase. For Unix, they have stepped away from licensing per user, because there is no real user working on it anymore.
But using a linux front'end box to do ftp transactions compared to putting in a windows server would indeed be more cost effective as you have a lower license fee compared to MS.
I actually have seen this scenario happen to a bunch of such Indian workers in the IT sweatshop I was working at the time. They were excellent for the work, as long as they costed less. At some point, they had build up their expertise on the matter and the contracting company started asking more money, they even went as far as to actually withdraw all of their people at once. So they got a french contracting firm in, who got a bunch of schoolboys and other low paid people on board, and then that sweatshop just sent those indian back home.
Yeah, that is one of my worries, users usually see the local system administrator also as their local helpdesk. They most of the times have completely no clue what tasks a sysadmin has.
I am working as a sysadmin, where we have local small datacenter with still quite some servers in but our main Data Center is abroad.
When the communication between the users and the helpdesk is bad or the response is like usually very slow, they tend to walk up to me during a teammeeting nagging my head off to get something done. They even do try to go over the line and actually start pissing me off saying it is my 'job' to help them since I am working in IT.
That is where I draw the line. As a sysadmin with quite a lot of work, getting these responses do stick in my head, and usually those users I leave for what they are and let them float in their own crap.
And even if you try to help and get the slap on the back from them for helping them, you still have your manager who will keep track of each and everytime you help and use it against you in your evaluations.
If you are really tired of the corporate world and its IT, you might want to think about switching to a small business, with about 30 - 40 people, and doing IT there. Usually you will be the only one responsible for IT.
Do not change careers.
Do not buy an expensive sports car.
Do not leave your wife for a 20-year old bimbo Exactly, but I would take it a bit further, do try a new challenge, but stick with your field
of expertise.
Don't buy that porsche yet, your 20-year old bimbo will indeed drive it into a wall at some point.
But get a motorcycle, not to big one, and cruise around. Enjoy some new trills.
Go on a holiday you normally wouldn't make. How about travelling around Asia?
Dominican Republic did it for me, being european, but I already am looking forward to travelling around in Thailand and maybe even find some time to got to Bora Bora.
When you feel you are tired of your job, it usually means there are no other trills in your life to enjoy.
So before making drastic changes, try something new that is not related to your work in anyway and learn that you need the take a distance from your day to day routine tasks.
Linux is not UNIX but it is Unix. And if you don't know the difference between the two then you're not qualified to complain about me splitting hairs; if you DO know the difference between the two, then you will surely agree with my statement. Unix is to UNIX as Open Source is to the Open Group. Or something.
Linux is indeed not UNIX. It just isn't. What you can call it is that is a Unix-like operating system.
Yes I have been in the position where I had to choose between both the opensource and closed source variations of a certain solution.
Apache over IIS, DB2 over MySQL, Ms Office over OpenOffice and PHP over Active Server Pages (since I already choose Apache over IIS).
DB2 has great support from IBM, it runs pretty good and can overcome far more obstacles compared to MySQL.
MsOffice is far more used as a business app then OpenOffice, so here I would go for compatibility with our customers. If we didn't have this to take into account, I would switch to OpenOffice.
Ok don't get me wrong here, I am NOT saying that it is not possible, what I am saying is that the average webporn addict is not the linux savvy and the average p2p or torrent bozo's who just download movies/music/applications won't be a linux savvy either.
Your comment just points out that linux runs the apps people need for the same things, but I wasn't talking about that, the average joe has just enough knowledge to boot their system, start word, start excel or whatever and do what they need to do on there.
I run besides a Windows workstation also a linux workstation and can perfectly interchange between both. But would I want to live without a windows workstation, most likely not, although I can do everything on a Linux workstation too.
As a teen, which is unfortunately too long ago, I already was running linux, and trust me, I have done some side jobs for friends and relatives to support them with their windows system and trust me it already takes them a few years to really get thorough with that OS, try to imagine how long it will take them to get busy with Linux.
When buying a system, you practically are always forced to buy a license for whatever product.
Usually it is just an OEM license which are a lot cheaper for the consumers.
Even if Dell would put a linux distro on it, they would have to pay for a license, maybe even cheaper but still the customer is paying for a license and in case of linux, the majority of users would be buying more expansive support with it since they have little knowledge of the OS.
AND they would be doing a lot less with their system compared to what they would be doing with a windows based system, being playing games, watching porn, downloading illegal music etc....
As long as the mainstream software for the average joe is build for the windows OS, they are better off with that OS.
Totally agree with what is said here.
Back in the medieval ages of IT, you had a large penetration of unix systems or anything similar.
Those systems got their fair share of being hacked. Even today, these systems are still being
hacked, but what can be said, as it was in the past, they are less vulnerable to viral attacks or be the cause of any virus spreading.
I still remember the time, you just could ftp to any ftp server on the internet and get the/etc/passwd from it, put john the ripper on it and BAM you had a big chance of extracting accounts from it. Even shadowing the password files were of no big use.
It doesn't matter what OS, there is always a security risk. Although, have another vendor sell a similar functional OS as Microsoft with the same software/games available to them, you would see that
most likely the system would cause less headaches. But nevertheless it would still be a cause a any security issues.
But we should pose the question, is Microsoft prepared to give up some of the functionality of its software to try to eliminate the chance that feature might turn out to be exploitable.
On the other hand, how would life be without people trying to exploit those 'features'.
Why not just sell duo bootable systems where the user himself can set preference on what should be booted by default.
With the current sizes of disks that won't be such a problem.
Or would it.
How would they be able to reduce the resources cost?
- They need cheap metal or equivalent. They have one of the biggest shipbreaking yards in the world
so there is the cheap metal, hardly worth selling off since it is second rate material.
- tires, probably not included when the car is bought or at an additional cost.
- electronics, If they would understand electronics they would be able to buy a far more advanced car, so you can leave that out.
- interior, probably just covered so people won't cut themselves while driving. Maybe some wooden chairs.
I think it would look something like : http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/showroom/1908/tbig.j pg
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when I was still a teen!
You got to be kidding me, how can you assume that C will ever die? It is still the basic language people learn to continue into other programming languages. How many of the now current programming languages aren't similar too C? Each of them differ amongst themselves, but once you know C you easily can move into another language with those basic skills.
the 15.x.x.x isn't fully used anymore at HP. During the time they were merging the different offices globally they started also switching from 15.x.x.x to 16.x.x.x. Although the otherway round would be true as well for some offices, but they still have a huge amount of IP's available in the 15.x.x.x range to allocate them to other 'friendly' companies for some nice cash. Although at the time they switch to the 16.x space where I worked, the rumor was going round they were selling the 15.x.x.x range.
Once a cop has to reveal his identity in court, he nolonger can go back undercover. The secret is out at that moment, especially in the underworld. So whatever this lists contain, is something those people already know. But this brings another topic to mind, what about the safety of these people, there are still people not aware of some undercover activities which should be left unknown as they probably were part of a bigger operation. Those people might want to get those informers and/or undercover cops out of the way, so this list will put their lives at stake. But aren't undercover cops given a new identity if they run this risk?
Moving to Linux wouldn't be a cost-saving. Yes, the hardware it runs on is cheaper, you have a whole community maintaining it the base code, but no-one actually can garantuee the same quality of service, support and SLA's. The OS for most systems comes free with the hardware you purchase. For Unix, they have stepped away from licensing per user, because there is no real user working on it anymore. But using a linux front'end box to do ftp transactions compared to putting in a windows server would indeed be more cost effective as you have a lower license fee compared to MS.
Actually they are not replacing the HP NonStop systems at all. What they are replacing is what is behind the nonstop systems.
I actually have seen this scenario happen to a bunch of such Indian workers in the IT sweatshop I was working at the time. They were excellent for the work, as long as they costed less. At some point, they had build up their expertise on the matter and the contracting company started asking more money, they even went as far as to actually withdraw all of their people at once. So they got a french contracting firm in, who got a bunch of schoolboys and other low paid people on board, and then that sweatshop just sent those indian back home.
Yeah, that is one of my worries, users usually see the local system administrator also as their local helpdesk. They most of the times have completely no clue what tasks a sysadmin has. I am working as a sysadmin, where we have local small datacenter with still quite some servers in but our main Data Center is abroad. When the communication between the users and the helpdesk is bad or the response is like usually very slow, they tend to walk up to me during a teammeeting nagging my head off to get something done. They even do try to go over the line and actually start pissing me off saying it is my 'job' to help them since I am working in IT. That is where I draw the line. As a sysadmin with quite a lot of work, getting these responses do stick in my head, and usually those users I leave for what they are and let them float in their own crap. And even if you try to help and get the slap on the back from them for helping them, you still have your manager who will keep track of each and everytime you help and use it against you in your evaluations.
If you are really tired of the corporate world and its IT, you might want to think about switching to a small business, with about 30 - 40 people, and doing IT there. Usually you will be the only one responsible for IT.
Do not buy an expensive sports car.
Do not leave your wife for a 20-year old bimbo Exactly, but I would take it a bit further, do try a new challenge, but stick with your field of expertise. Don't buy that porsche yet, your 20-year old bimbo will indeed drive it into a wall at some point. But get a motorcycle, not to big one, and cruise around. Enjoy some new trills.
Go on a holiday you normally wouldn't make. How about travelling around Asia? Dominican Republic did it for me, being european, but I already am looking forward to travelling around in Thailand and maybe even find some time to got to Bora Bora. When you feel you are tired of your job, it usually means there are no other trills in your life to enjoy. So before making drastic changes, try something new that is not related to your work in anyway and learn that you need the take a distance from your day to day routine tasks.
Let me guess, they are looking for a way to create a species they can even exploit more then their own people in manufacturing.
Is he talking about the British again!
Linux is indeed not UNIX. It just isn't. What you can call it is that is a Unix-like operating system.
Yes I have been in the position where I had to choose between both the opensource and closed source variations of a certain solution. Apache over IIS, DB2 over MySQL, Ms Office over OpenOffice and PHP over Active Server Pages (since I already choose Apache over IIS). DB2 has great support from IBM, it runs pretty good and can overcome far more obstacles compared to MySQL. MsOffice is far more used as a business app then OpenOffice, so here I would go for compatibility with our customers. If we didn't have this to take into account, I would switch to OpenOffice.
Ok don't get me wrong here, I am NOT saying that it is not possible, what I am saying is that the average webporn addict is not the linux savvy and the average p2p or torrent bozo's who just download movies/music/applications won't be a linux savvy either. Your comment just points out that linux runs the apps people need for the same things, but I wasn't talking about that, the average joe has just enough knowledge to boot their system, start word, start excel or whatever and do what they need to do on there. I run besides a Windows workstation also a linux workstation and can perfectly interchange between both. But would I want to live without a windows workstation, most likely not, although I can do everything on a Linux workstation too. As a teen, which is unfortunately too long ago, I already was running linux, and trust me, I have done some side jobs for friends and relatives to support them with their windows system and trust me it already takes them a few years to really get thorough with that OS, try to imagine how long it will take them to get busy with Linux.
Woohoo, I am troll
When buying a system, you practically are always forced to buy a license for whatever product. Usually it is just an OEM license which are a lot cheaper for the consumers. Even if Dell would put a linux distro on it, they would have to pay for a license, maybe even cheaper but still the customer is paying for a license and in case of linux, the majority of users would be buying more expansive support with it since they have little knowledge of the OS. AND they would be doing a lot less with their system compared to what they would be doing with a windows based system, being playing games, watching porn, downloading illegal music etc.... As long as the mainstream software for the average joe is build for the windows OS, they are better off with that OS.
Your kidding me! Do you have a link where I can read up on that?
Totally agree with what is said here. Back in the medieval ages of IT, you had a large penetration of unix systems or anything similar. Those systems got their fair share of being hacked. Even today, these systems are still being hacked, but what can be said, as it was in the past, they are less vulnerable to viral attacks or be the cause of any virus spreading. I still remember the time, you just could ftp to any ftp server on the internet and get the /etc/passwd from it, put john the ripper on it and BAM you had a big chance of extracting accounts from it. Even shadowing the password files were of no big use.
It doesn't matter what OS, there is always a security risk. Although, have another vendor sell a similar functional OS as Microsoft with the same software/games available to them, you would see that most likely the system would cause less headaches. But nevertheless it would still be a cause a any security issues. But we should pose the question, is Microsoft prepared to give up some of the functionality of its software to try to eliminate the chance that feature might turn out to be exploitable. On the other hand, how would life be without people trying to exploit those 'features'.
Why not just sell duo bootable systems where the user himself can set preference on what should be booted by default. With the current sizes of disks that won't be such a problem. Or would it.
What would the function be for a 10$ child computer? Push the button next to the image of the animal to learn what sound it makes......moooooooooh
Ok.... And the next big thing that comes from it is??????? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocop
They are city cars. But I wouldn't like to be sitting in one of these when the next benz comes a long and crashes into it.
How would they be able to reduce the resources cost? - They need cheap metal or equivalent. They have one of the biggest shipbreaking yards in the world so there is the cheap metal, hardly worth selling off since it is second rate material. - tires, probably not included when the car is bought or at an additional cost. - electronics, If they would understand electronics they would be able to buy a far more advanced car, so you can leave that out. - interior, probably just covered so people won't cut themselves while driving. Maybe some wooden chairs. I think it would look something like : http://www.hfmgv.org/exhibits/showroom/1908/tbig.j pg