I'm sorry, I retract my "no time for cowards" statement. I always have time for good debate no matter who posts it, but this thread has deteriorated very quickly. Misunderstandings maybe? I'm moving on...
Give me a break. I never said YOU didn't read the book, I said if anyone doesn't read a book, they have no business giving a comment. How could they?? If you've read it, great, lets us know what you think, but the parent to this thread is ridiculous. (I'm reminded of "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV....") I've never assumed you never read it, why don't YOU go back and re-read the thread. And yes you are a troll, not because you disagree with me, but because you've made FAR too many assumptions. And to assume that I am under 16 because I called you a troll is downright insulting. I have no time for cowards.
If you don't read a book, you have no "right" to comment on it. As soon as you open your mouth and do so, you've proved yourself a fool. Ugh, why am I even bothering to reply to such clueless trolls....
...so expect to be frustrated. I could hardly get through this log without feeling nauseous. They think its a fun little game, getting lots of attention, but when the smackdown comes, it's gonna lose its fun real fast.
--------
BECAUSE IT WAS FOR THE 23rd, NOT TODAY (the 21st)
on
LonelyNet (Part Two)
·
· Score: 1
jeeze, every chance to take a cheap shot at Katz, you people do. Grow up.
--------
"Is this news for nerds, stuff that matters?" blah
on
Review: On "The Beach"
·
· Score: 1
Talk about a worn-out sentence. It's usually said whenever someone sees an article that doesn't interest them. Not everyone has the same interests, pal. I happen to enjoy movie reviews. If you don't thats fine with me. But you can take your immature and selfish sentiments somewhere else.
What do you call a comment like this? -1, Leech? I think that's it. Anyone who would stoop so low as to repost someone else's Funny comment as their own needs to be dragged out back and have some sense beat into them. This is pathetic Hmm, probably shouldn't have even responded to this..what a waste of effort.
While I think that this this news about beam-it security is very good and will make things a bit more difficult for the RIAA, IIRC their main complaint is the fact that they are "broadcasting" the music. MP3.com is like a radio station where you get to play all your favorites (that you happen to own) without all the commerical and control the industry requires. I think this case is very similar to the MPAA: it's all about control.
Your own post proves you wrong, have you no ability for comprehension?
Signal 11 says: It's a rare person indeed who draws such an intense response from the geeks and slashdotters amongst us
So, here we have Signal 11 calling Katz rare. Are you so intent on Katz bashing that you can't see that yourself? I could (and should) stop here, but I'll move on and comment on this:
Katz responds: I am very proud to be a rare person, and however you meant it, I thank you
For those of you who cannot pick up on subtly, Katz is playing off the word "rare" and choosing to take it as a compliment. If Signal 11 hadn't called him a rare person, Katz would have never had reason to say such a thing. It was an excellent way to deflect a slightly negative question.
In case you didn't notice, this was a flame, and a very well deserved one.
A couple weeks ago I emailed Jon and asked him if he would consider being more present in the discussion threads. My main point was that I thought the/. discussions would benefit a lot more if he took part in them occationally. We had quite an exchange of emails, some misunderstandings, but in the end it was a great thing to have happened. I was impressed how he responed to every email I sent, sometimes more than once. Jon cares deeply about his writing and about his interaction with people. I think he wants to post a lot more often than time permits; he is a very busy guy as you could imagine. At the same time, he doesn't want to interfere with the natural discussion of his article. He posted a brief explaination of this here
I don't mean to speak for Jon (sorry!) so please don't take it that way...I only wanted to share my story and maybe give a glipse into whats going on.
I think Katz knows who his audience is and that could be the whole point. Having a "non-techincal" person try to summarize the issues gives us a glimpse into how an "average" person is viewing the issues. We all are familiar with the idea of groupthink, and slashdot is not exempt from this. Most of the stories posted come from someone with a "techie" bias...why not have an outsider post some stories and get us thinking about what the real issues are what we really think? I believe that is what happens and why so many people dislike Jon but keep reading his writing and generating dialog.
This is a discussion about a katz book, anything else is off-topic, including any crying about how you were "forced" to read something about Jon Katz. The number of these kind of posts is just sickening. Yes, you can complain and critique the chapter of his book and say how much you hate it, but I shouldn't have to sift through a sea of crying babies just to find some content...
Your whining about Katz is far more annoying than anything Katz could ever say. Don't read the article if "Katz" is even mentioned in the header. And please, if you hate Katz that much, don't post in a Katz-related article, you are only wasting space and everyone's time.
High school alienation.. wow.. theres a new one.. by that definition, most of the people I know would be a "geek"..
I think you must be forgetting the "popular" crowd in high school. There was a distinct group of people who defined themselves as cool and had most other people thinking that as well. In my (American) high school, we had the popular people who followed all the trends and were *not* alienated in any sense of the word. They outnumbered the "geeks" by a lot and did their best to make the geeks feel alienated. Maybe this is not the case everywhere, but it was true for me...
I'm not sure I'd consider that a "feature." In fact, if I was in the market for buying an MP3 player, I'd look for one that wasn't SDMI compliant and buy that one on principle.
have you been reading and comprehending what the issues are here? Nobody is trying to "cheat" people out of their money or ruin anyones way of life. The issues are plain and clear: 1)DVD piracy is not cost effective. 2)Not all copying is illegal. 3)If I *buy* a DVD I should be able to play it how I choose. Notice, I am buying DVDs. Someone is making a living off of me. Actually, I should say someone was making a living off of me as I will no longer buy DVDs until the MPAA issues a public apology for this fiasco. Attacking your customers doesn't promote business very well and I won't tolerate it.
And before you or anyone else screams "groupthink!!" let me say I have no problem with someone having a different opinion...I do have a problem when it's an ill-informed opinion.
There already is a script for eggdrop bots that will translate phrases using babelfish. You can find it on bseen by doing a search for "babelfish" The one I use for my eggy I can't find right now but it has the ability to translate everything a person says (without having to tell it explicity) if you turn on that feature.
You are making a huge generalization here. I liken it to the "Red Hat is Linux" mentality. There are many, many irc networks to choose from. Yes, EFnet is a script-kiddie haven and a place I'd prefer not to be. But there are many other smaller networks that actually are a nice place to hang out and rarely have those kind of problems seen on EF or Dal. (Insert shameless plug for my network of choice, irc.openprojects.net)
Interesting observation. I wonder if it is inherently easier to break codes rather than make them. Kind of like the person standing on a chair metaphor: it's easier to pull someone down off a chair rather than lift them up onto it. Or maybe the people who break the codes are typically more intelligent than the ones being paid to make them? If that's the case, then wouldn't be ideal if we could somehow "persuade" the better qualified code breakers to join the good guys?
I'm sorry, but I must correct you on this point: "Please Die" was about abusive language online (emails, chat rooms, message boards, etc) it was not about criticism. Telling someone to 'please die' is not criticism, it's a rude and immature attack on someone. I found those 3 articles to be rather thought provoking. (Why don't you go back and re-read them if still think they are about accepting criticism.)
I agree that it's 100% lame that he doesn't post replies to his articles here on/. It's as if he really isn't a part of the community, only looking in at us. He has responded to my emails in the past, but I wish he'd show up in the postings. Come on, Jon, quit ignoring us!
Maybe they have gone to far by arresting Jon? We now have a person at the focus of this fiasco. This could very well force more of us into action than ever before. Martyrs are wonderful for strengthening a movement...
I love listening to music. Many of my friends are musicians, some of whom are in bands trying to "make it." Seeing how controlled the music industry is scares me. This is why I hope MP3 takes off in a way no one expects. Artists need a way to break free from the record labels and still be able to share their music. (maybe even make some money) Not that these companies need to be abolished, but they need to be kept honest. If something like MP3 was a viable option, I would worry less about these mergers.
Here's a link if you are interested in reading some of MS's reponse, especially concerning Active Directory. There are two previous parts linked at the bottom. I not sure if I'll know what to believe after all FUD settles.
Slashdot Mirror
doesnt necessarily make it right, just means any "we're losing so much money because of mp3s" is an out right lie.
--------
I'm sorry, I retract my "no time for cowards" statement. I always have time for good debate no matter who posts it, but this thread has deteriorated very quickly. Misunderstandings maybe? I'm moving on...
--------
Give me a break. I never said YOU didn't read the book, I said if anyone doesn't read a book, they have no business giving a comment. How could they?? If you've read it, great, lets us know what you think, but the parent to this thread is ridiculous. (I'm reminded of "I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV....") I've never assumed you never read it, why don't YOU go back and re-read the thread. And yes you are a troll, not because you disagree with me, but because you've made FAR too many assumptions. And to assume that I am under 16 because I called you a troll is downright insulting. I have no time for cowards.
--------
If you don't read a book, you have no "right" to comment on it. As soon as you open your mouth and do so, you've proved yourself a fool. Ugh, why am I even bothering to reply to such clueless trolls....
--------
...so expect to be frustrated. I could hardly get through this log without feeling nauseous. They think its a fun little game, getting lots of attention, but when the smackdown comes, it's gonna lose its fun real fast.
--------
jeeze, every chance to take a cheap shot at Katz, you people do. Grow up.
--------
Talk about a worn-out sentence. It's usually said whenever someone sees an article that doesn't interest them. Not everyone has the same interests, pal. I happen to enjoy movie reviews. If you don't thats fine with me. But you can take your immature and selfish sentiments somewhere else.
--------
What do you call a comment like this? -1, Leech? I think that's it. Anyone who would stoop so low as to repost someone else's Funny comment as their own needs to be dragged out back and have some sense beat into them. This is pathetic
Hmm, probably shouldn't have even responded to this..what a waste of effort.
--------
While I think that this this news about beam-it security is very good and will make things a bit more difficult for the RIAA, IIRC their main complaint is the fact that they are "broadcasting" the music. MP3.com is like a radio station where you get to play all your favorites (that you happen to own) without all the commerical and control the industry requires. I think this case is very similar to the MPAA: it's all about control.
--------
Your own post proves you wrong, have you no ability for comprehension?
Signal 11 says: It's a rare person indeed who draws such an intense response from the geeks and slashdotters amongst us
So, here we have Signal 11 calling Katz rare. Are you so intent on Katz bashing that you can't see that yourself? I could (and should) stop here, but I'll move on and comment on this:
Katz responds: I am very proud to be a rare person, and however you meant it, I thank you
For those of you who cannot pick up on subtly, Katz is playing off the word "rare" and choosing to take it as a compliment. If Signal 11 hadn't called him a rare person, Katz would have never had reason to say such a thing. It was an excellent way to deflect a slightly negative question.
In case you didn't notice, this was a flame, and a very well deserved one.
--------
A couple weeks ago I emailed Jon and asked him if he would consider being more present in the discussion threads. My main point was that I thought the /. discussions would benefit a lot more if he took part in them occationally. We had quite an exchange of emails, some misunderstandings, but in the end it was a great thing to have happened. I was impressed how he responed to every email I sent, sometimes more than once. Jon cares deeply about his writing and about his interaction with people. I think he wants to post a lot more often than time permits; he is a very busy guy as you could imagine. At the same time, he doesn't want to interfere with the natural discussion of his article. He posted a brief explaination of this here
I don't mean to speak for Jon (sorry!) so please don't take it that way...I only wanted to share my story and maybe give a glipse into whats going on.
--------
I think Katz knows who his audience is and that could be the whole point. Having a "non-techincal" person try to summarize the issues gives us a glimpse into how an "average" person is viewing the issues. We all are familiar with the idea of groupthink, and slashdot is not exempt from this. Most of the stories posted come from someone with a "techie" bias...why not have an outsider post some stories and get us thinking about what the real issues are what we really think? I believe that is what happens and why so many people dislike Jon but keep reading his writing and generating dialog.
--------
This is a discussion about a katz book, anything else is off-topic, including any crying about how you were "forced" to read something about Jon Katz. The number of these kind of posts is just sickening. Yes, you can complain and critique the chapter of his book and say how much you hate it, but I shouldn't have to sift through a sea of crying babies just to find some content...
--------
Your whining about Katz is far more annoying than anything Katz could ever say. Don't read the article if "Katz" is even mentioned in the header. And please, if you hate Katz that much, don't post in a Katz-related article, you are only wasting space and everyone's time.
--------
High school alienation.. wow.. theres a new one.. by that definition, most of the people I know would be a "geek"..
I think you must be forgetting the "popular" crowd in high school. There was a distinct group of people who defined themselves as cool and had most other people thinking that as well. In my (American) high school, we had the popular people who followed all the trends and were *not* alienated in any sense of the word. They outnumbered the "geeks" by a lot and did their best to make the geeks feel alienated. Maybe this is not the case everywhere, but it was true for me...
--------
I'm not sure I'd consider that a "feature." In fact, if I was in the market for buying an MP3 player, I'd look for one that wasn't SDMI compliant and buy that one on principle.
--------
have you been reading and comprehending what the issues are here? Nobody is trying to "cheat" people out of their money or ruin anyones way of life. The issues are plain and clear:
1)DVD piracy is not cost effective.
2)Not all copying is illegal.
3)If I *buy* a DVD I should be able to play it how I choose.
Notice, I am buying DVDs. Someone is making a living off of me. Actually, I should say someone was making a living off of me as I will no longer buy DVDs until the MPAA issues a public apology for this fiasco. Attacking your customers doesn't promote business very well and I won't tolerate it.
And before you or anyone else screams "groupthink!!" let me say I have no problem with someone having a different opinion...I do have a problem when it's an ill-informed opinion.
--------
There already is a script for eggdrop bots that will translate phrases using babelfish. You can find it on bseen by doing a search for "babelfish" The one I use for my eggy I can't find right now but it has the ability to translate everything a person says (without having to tell it explicity) if you turn on that feature.
--------
You are making a huge generalization here. I liken it to the "Red Hat is Linux" mentality. There are many, many irc networks to choose from. Yes, EFnet is a script-kiddie haven and a place I'd prefer not to be. But there are many other smaller networks that actually are a nice place to hang out and rarely have those kind of problems seen on EF or Dal. (Insert shameless plug for my network of choice, irc.openprojects.net)
--------
Interesting observation. I wonder if it is inherently easier to break codes rather than make them. Kind of like the person standing on a chair metaphor: it's easier to pull someone down off a chair rather than lift them up onto it. Or maybe the people who break the codes are typically more intelligent than the ones being paid to make them? If that's the case, then wouldn't be ideal if we could somehow "persuade" the better qualified code breakers to join the good guys?
--------
I'm sorry, but I must correct you on this point: "Please Die" was about abusive language online (emails, chat rooms, message boards, etc) it was not about criticism. Telling someone to 'please die' is not criticism, it's a rude and immature attack on someone. I found those 3 articles to be rather thought provoking. (Why don't you go back and re-read them if still think they are about accepting criticism.)
/. It's as if he really isn't a part of the community, only looking in at us. He has responded to my emails in the past, but I wish he'd show up in the postings. Come on, Jon, quit ignoring us!
I agree that it's 100% lame that he doesn't post replies to his articles here on
--------
Maybe they have gone to far by arresting Jon? We now have a person at the focus of this fiasco. This could very well force more of us into action than ever before. Martyrs are wonderful for strengthening a movement...
--------
Make sure you read the feedback section, the "your web page sucks" comments really show how far the needle goes.
Kill your TV
--------
I love listening to music. Many of my friends are musicians, some of whom are in bands trying to "make it." Seeing how controlled the music industry is scares me. This is why I hope MP3 takes off in a way no one expects. Artists need a way to break free from the record labels and still be able to share their music. (maybe even make some money) Not that these companies need to be abolished, but they need to be kept honest. If something like MP3 was a viable option, I would worry less about these mergers.
--------
Here's a link if you are interested in reading some of MS's reponse, especially concerning Active Directory. There are two previous parts linked at the bottom. I not sure if I'll know what to believe after all FUD settles.
--------