What a breath of fresh air!
I'm glad they're breathing new life into transplant technology.
The medical community did well but they shouldn't go getting all puffed up over this.
phew. There. I'm taking a karma hit for everybody who even considered making those jokes.
I agree with you (as someone who lives near Chicago).
To add to your post, I also submit that it could be very efficient for crossing the vast stretches of emptiness that are Nebraska, parts of Wyoming and Iowa. I would have no problem visiting places like Colorado, Cheyenne (for the mountains), and other beautiful states if I could just get past the mind numbing 15-17 hour drive through nothingness to get there. Hop on high speed rail and be there in a fraction of the time.
It could significantly grow Chicago's wealth as a city if a few western cities could use Chicago as a hub.
That also assumes the cost is less than flying, or at least competitive if I can have an effective way of getting around when I reach my destination.
If mass transit in Chicago "works" I HATE to dream of what it is like elsewhere.
If you want to go to a few specific places it is alright, but the city has ignored the system for decades and decades. It is breaking down and awfully slow, and that's just the El (elevated local train). The Metra? ARGGGH!!! The cars are ancient, inefficient, and if it weren't for the old rail system could run twice as fast!
Chicago has the ghost of a mass transit system. Had it been expanded responsibly as the city/suburbs grew we could have been a model for public transit, taking people where they want when they want. For some people in the city that works.
Many others have commutes of 2 hours each way because the system needs updating BADLY. They've axed running times because of budget shortfalls when what they should be doing is pumping lots of money into it for updates.
If you think one of the most corrupt politicians in America (Mayor Daley) is going to give two toots either you'd best think again. He's got this city on a course for financial disaster of epic proportions, and mass transit will be the last thing on peoples' minds when they realize that many of the city's assets have been carved up and sold off to private investors for short term gain.
Not to be alarmist, especially since this technology is very far down the road from being widely used, but what happens if this begins to replace manual labor jobs as has been predicted for decades? I'm sure Asimov has a leg up on me but here goes:
Without education infrastructure in place to train current generations, low cost robots will compete with unskilled laborers for work. While this could be 30-50 years down the road, what happens when the poor huddled masses can no longer do manual jobs? Will their quality of living be raised up since it will be cheap to produce things, or will those who own the means of production horde it for themselves and leave everyone who can't afford their price to starve?
Also, this would certainly make energy needs (and potentially metals/commodities) even more accute. If the robots can't function, then no one (or many fewer people) can eat.
I'm all for automation, but if we don't back up our technology with the understanding that we need to provide other opportunities to people, then we may be doing humanity a disservice. From a very cold point of view, though, perhaps we would just be thinning out the population, which already seems to be far larger than necessary (i don't really advocate this point of view, but I know there are those out there who do).
I'm sure this has all come up before (ie not terribly insightful), just throwing it out there for discussion.
I was only pointing out that I recently became a regular Linux user. I'm sorry to hear there are so many Linux users that poo-poo Ubuntu, though. It seems like a fine system to me, but I haven't used any other flavors (apart from Mandrake).
Is there some functionality that Ubuntu doesn't have? Is it the UI? Is it a bloated build?
That's how to do it? Nowhere did I find something about restricted-extras. That's another way to do it that I didn't know about but had to find out on a technology forum. See? That's my point. These issues should be dealt with by the user interface for the OS. Most people will just say "screw it" and go back to Windows. If Linux wants to follow through with this ad, they need to be a cut above, not just another piece of crap (to them) wrapped up in a pretty idea.
You and I know Linux is better, but unless we express that to a new user effectively they won't care. I have had it happen enough in my own personal career. My dad and I do a much better job than 95% of our competitors out by offering a broad base of solutions and freedom for the client to choose what they want. We tell them why the solution may be good or not. HOWEVER, many people just want us to tell them what to do, that's why they pay us!
By the same token many people want to be led lightly by the hand when trying something new.
An OS should allow people freedom. It should allow lots of different options for hardware and software. However, many people don't and will NEVER care about that. They want something that works. it might be a sad fact for us geeks, but it's true. Give people what they want! An easy, useful interface that helps them. For a new user that includes teaching them about the pertinent features of the OS in one way or another. For Linux, that's teaching them about the very freedoms the OS allows. How can someone know about something (like DVD playback) unless they're instructed? Without that Linux will never be a major player for everyday users.
We were unable to initially run DVDs in windows after a new XP install, you're right, (dual boot) but got VLC and that fixed it. So yes, Windows can be bad, too, but that's not the point. We're trying to get new users and that requires being a cut above in order to convert them. Linux will only get so many users who are so fed up with Windows that they simply try something else. We must do better, and that's by following through on the promise of that ad.
Sorry if I sound belligerent (I don't mean to), but I'm in a business that is JUST like what Linux is going through. I offer more freedom and better ideas every day, but unless I am a cut above the rest (in many different ways) people just don't want to change. They don't like change, and they'll continue to do things to their detriment even after you show them the facts. People have to *want* to change, and Linux needs to help them do that and follow through completely on its promise of freedom. Real freedom comes from knowledge, and Linux doesn't do a very good job of educating its users in order to wield its freedoms.
If there are window managers and fun UIs then that's great!
After reading a book about Linux, tuning a system for someone, and walking her through it, why did I have to post on a technology discussion website to find out about it?
While I can appreciate picking apart my post, I feel like the spirit of it is being lost.
The average user (whatever that means) needs convenience with something like an OS. Otherwise they won't use it. I work with something similar to computers: Finance. It's REALLY complicated stuff. If you don't present it in the right fashion then you will not be listened to or you will scare the crap out of people. As an analytic I struggle daily with this lesson. Same goes for computers!
Linux is trying to get new users. We need to give them more convenience with intuitive freedom to customize. If it leads to the ability to learn more and not need the convenience, then great! I'm all for it! I would use it too!
Having to poke around all over the internet to find what should be fairly readily available options seems to be self-defeating for Linux as a whole. Maybe I'm just using the wrong flavor of Linux? That's another issue entirely.
She and I both understand that. However the experience was much more difficult than it probably needed to be. If it were an esoteric, little-used feature I can understand that. For a major feature, though, it seems like it could have been documented more and handled better is all. We had to try about half a dozen different ways of doing the same thing. Shouldn't there be an easier way?
The ad brings up the idea that Linux is about freedom. Does Linux follow through on that promise?
I started using Ubuntu in December (hand in my geek card, I know). I tried once before with Mandrake about 5 years ago and it was too much work (honestly) for a hobby OS.
How free are people under Linux? I understand that it's about freedom of information, but when I think about the other possibilities that I might want to have in terms of User Interface manipulation (like the ad seems to suggest) I begin to wonder. Is there an easy (non-code, maybe even scripting) way to change the look of the UI? Is the UI as easy, fun, and colorful as the ad seems to suggest? These may seem like dumb questions to some, but if Linux wants market share they need to build a brand and follow through on that brand promise.
About freedom and intuition in applications: When trying to play a DVD on my girlfriend's brand new Ubuntu build it was necessary to download 3 different media applications (settled on VLC, but even that had a fatal bug sometimes) and sift for a while through google just to install the correct libs. I understand that the DVD format isn't free, but getting everything to work correctly was a bit of a chore. THAT is not freedom. THAT is frustration to a new user. If I hadn't been there I know she would have ditched the OS and gone back to Windows. She even picked up an "Ubuntu for Dummies" book (which did not fully describe getting a DVD to play) so she's by no means lazy about learning Linux.
She doesn't use the computer for too much but shouldn't the bare basics work immediately?
"Basics" are different for everyone (Aha! Another chance to have Linux be about freedom!) so shouldn't there be an option to walk people through what tasks they might use the computer for, then show them to the new user and make it enjoyably interactive to CHOOSE those programs, with an option somewhere to try out and learn other programs?
It's about freedom AND communicating that freedom effectively, and I feel the Linux community would benefit greatly from taking the time to concentrate on that aspect. If Linux (whatever flavor) is really about freedom, then that gift of freedom from developers comes with responsibility. That is a responsibility to coherently express how and what the OS can do.
If there really are a lot of people taking Linux notebooks/netbooks/desktops back, don't you think they at least *tried* tinkering with the OS? To me that says that the initial impression Linux gives may not be a helpful one.
If Linux is trying to get new users, shouldn't the focus be on effectively presenting the OS to new users?
In short, the ad seems cool, but Linux should get that ad out there and they should find a way to follow through on what effectively seems to be Linux's biggest shortcoming.
you might be right, yeah. I interpreted it differently, perhaps incorrectly. My statements still stands, though: Make *everybody* do a clean install. No upgrades.
have the system pull all pertinent user data together, walk people through a data gathering wizard or something to backup all their stuff, then blow the system away and start over.
That might even give IT people a better way to deploy systems.
Make Windows a little more like Linux: Get users to EXPECT that their system is impermanent and separate their pertinent data from the ephemeral stuff.
We can't change user habits by allowing them to do the same dumb old things.
This story isn't so much a coding horror story as it is a compiling horror story.
I had a math professor at college (who also taught COBOL) about the times he had to carry stacks of punch cards across campus in the dead of winter. Of course they had to remain in order so it was apparently very difficult to store them with rubber bands or in a bag (i can't explain that part, perhaps he made it up?).
Of course, the inevitable slip on the ice occurred one day, sending piles of cards scattering everywhere, ruining a major project he'd been working on. Unfortunately there was no beautiful woman who came to help him pick them up, resulting in kinky geek love. There was just bruised body and ego along with a borked project.
How does your fancypants 50 Mhz dev machine look now, eh?:)
Often, that clean install makes for a much faster system after years of cruft building up on a system.
Although there may be compatibility issues, MS making a clean install mandatory might be one of the most clever marketing tools they've had in a while. Then again, it could backfire.
Word of mouth from those who migrate and see how fast a clean build of Win7 is vs XP might breathe new life into the Windows brand.
I'm surprised that water issues and technology don't get more attention on slashdot. It really seems to be the next oil. We're backing ourselves into a corner by using far more water than we should. I live right next to the largest source of fresh water in the world and even we are talking about shortages. What it must be like in other parts of the world(like the recent water shortage in Mexico) scares me.
See "The Brown Bunny" for instance. A great movie with long stretches of silence. The movie should be the same as the game. Give the audience time to really *feel* about what is going on:
If the hero is so noble in saving his girl, why is this land so barren, why does he feels o lonely, what is going on and why does it feel so wrong?
I completely agree with the girl who agrees with the guy who doesn't seem to agree with the other guy who disagrees with the original guy.
Once I started being more assertive and a little more of a jerk (ie loosening up and just having fun, actually) women started talking to me more. Of ocourse, I also started talking to THEM more too, which helps.
Lesson: I think many people take things too seriously (though for some that's their best asset), and ladies want to laugh too! Guys, women want someone with some backbone who is comfortable with himself (whatever that is!), who will make them feel secure (whatever that is for them), and man up to get things done (even if it's coding).
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Is it possible to fight something like this simply by showing up in court and saying,"Ok, prove it."
Shouldn't that be enough to get people off the hook? I'm fairly certain I'm over simplifying it, but I really feel like all this take-down BS is just smoke and mirrors to scare people
I am guilty of not doing things quickly. I have been ridiculed for years on how quickly I tie my shoes, for instance. I try to do it faster, but I don't see how it can be done much faster, frankly, and I make sure the things are tied well so that I do not have to do it again.
Mindfulness seems to be slipping away. With twitter and facebook and god knows what else, it really feels like the soul has gone out of much of what we do each day.
I see this all the time in my work: People want to have their finances done in a flash without thinking or answering any fundamental questions about their life. When we cave and make a recommendation because people "just want an answer" they will often come back angry later on because they have no idea what we actually did for them, or they see no value in what has been done for them. The advisors who seem to prosper are the ones who brush off doing any really solid work and explain/charm away any difficult issues with their clients. Those of us who may overthink it, but often bring very key issues to light as a result of it, seem to have been relegated to the role of dinosaur. If you're looking for what happened on Wallstreet, I'd say that's it right there.
I am really sick of "The Age of Speed". We should strive for optimal mindfulness in each action we take, not slipshod whizzbang idiocy, which often seems to be called "clever" or "smart" by speed-freaks and know-it-alls.
People can only do so much, but I'd really like to see other opinions on this.
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What a breath of fresh air!
I'm glad they're breathing new life into transplant technology.
The medical community did well but they shouldn't go getting all puffed up over this.
phew. There. I'm taking a karma hit for everybody who even considered making those jokes.
I agree with you (as someone who lives near Chicago).
To add to your post, I also submit that it could be very efficient for crossing the vast stretches of emptiness that are Nebraska, parts of Wyoming and Iowa. I would have no problem visiting places like Colorado, Cheyenne (for the mountains), and other beautiful states if I could just get past the mind numbing 15-17 hour drive through nothingness to get there. Hop on high speed rail and be there in a fraction of the time.
It could significantly grow Chicago's wealth as a city if a few western cities could use Chicago as a hub.
That also assumes the cost is less than flying, or at least competitive if I can have an effective way of getting around when I reach my destination.
If mass transit in Chicago "works" I HATE to dream of what it is like elsewhere.
If you want to go to a few specific places it is alright, but the city has ignored the system for decades and decades. It is breaking down and awfully slow, and that's just the El (elevated local train). The Metra? ARGGGH!!! The cars are ancient, inefficient, and if it weren't for the old rail system could run twice as fast!
Chicago has the ghost of a mass transit system. Had it been expanded responsibly as the city/suburbs grew we could have been a model for public transit, taking people where they want when they want. For some people in the city that works.
Many others have commutes of 2 hours each way because the system needs updating BADLY. They've axed running times because of budget shortfalls when what they should be doing is pumping lots of money into it for updates.
If you think one of the most corrupt politicians in America (Mayor Daley) is going to give two toots either you'd best think again. He's got this city on a course for financial disaster of epic proportions, and mass transit will be the last thing on peoples' minds when they realize that many of the city's assets have been carved up and sold off to private investors for short term gain.
Not to be alarmist, especially since this technology is very far down the road from being widely used, but what happens if this begins to replace manual labor jobs as has been predicted for decades? I'm sure Asimov has a leg up on me but here goes:
Without education infrastructure in place to train current generations, low cost robots will compete with unskilled laborers for work. While this could be 30-50 years down the road, what happens when the poor huddled masses can no longer do manual jobs? Will their quality of living be raised up since it will be cheap to produce things, or will those who own the means of production horde it for themselves and leave everyone who can't afford their price to starve?
Also, this would certainly make energy needs (and potentially metals/commodities) even more accute. If the robots can't function, then no one (or many fewer people) can eat.
I'm all for automation, but if we don't back up our technology with the understanding that we need to provide other opportunities to people, then we may be doing humanity a disservice. From a very cold point of view, though, perhaps we would just be thinning out the population, which already seems to be far larger than necessary (i don't really advocate this point of view, but I know there are those out there who do).
I'm sure this has all come up before (ie not terribly insightful), just throwing it out there for discussion.
I was only pointing out that I recently became a regular Linux user. I'm sorry to hear there are so many Linux users that poo-poo Ubuntu, though. It seems like a fine system to me, but I haven't used any other flavors (apart from Mandrake).
Is there some functionality that Ubuntu doesn't have? Is it the UI? Is it a bloated build?
I did the cut and paste. It did not work as advertised, as they say.
Otherwise I wouldn't be quite so up in arms.
Google is the first place I went.
The originator wants to leave something of himself for the ages.
It could be longest running joke humanity has ever seen! (except for maybe Cowboy Neal)
That's how to do it? Nowhere did I find something about restricted-extras. That's another way to do it that I didn't know about but had to find out on a technology forum. See? That's my point. These issues should be dealt with by the user interface for the OS. Most people will just say "screw it" and go back to Windows. If Linux wants to follow through with this ad, they need to be a cut above, not just another piece of crap (to them) wrapped up in a pretty idea.
You and I know Linux is better, but unless we express that to a new user effectively they won't care. I have had it happen enough in my own personal career. My dad and I do a much better job than 95% of our competitors out by offering a broad base of solutions and freedom for the client to choose what they want. We tell them why the solution may be good or not. HOWEVER, many people just want us to tell them what to do, that's why they pay us!
By the same token many people want to be led lightly by the hand when trying something new.
An OS should allow people freedom. It should allow lots of different options for hardware and software. However, many people don't and will NEVER care about that. They want something that works. it might be a sad fact for us geeks, but it's true. Give people what they want! An easy, useful interface that helps them. For a new user that includes teaching them about the pertinent features of the OS in one way or another. For Linux, that's teaching them about the very freedoms the OS allows.
How can someone know about something (like DVD playback) unless they're instructed? Without that Linux will never be a major player for everyday users.
We were unable to initially run DVDs in windows after a new XP install, you're right, (dual boot) but got VLC and that fixed it. So yes, Windows can be bad, too, but that's not the point. We're trying to get new users and that requires being a cut above in order to convert them. Linux will only get so many users who are so fed up with Windows that they simply try something else. We must do better, and that's by following through on the promise of that ad.
Sorry if I sound belligerent (I don't mean to), but I'm in a business that is JUST like what Linux is going through. I offer more freedom and better ideas every day, but unless I am a cut above the rest (in many different ways) people just don't want to change. They don't like change, and they'll continue to do things to their detriment even after you show them the facts. People have to *want* to change, and Linux needs to help them do that and follow through completely on its promise of freedom. Real freedom comes from knowledge, and Linux doesn't do a very good job of educating its users in order to wield its freedoms.
If there are window managers and fun UIs then that's great!
After reading a book about Linux, tuning a system for someone, and walking her through it, why did I have to post on a technology discussion website to find out about it?
While I can appreciate picking apart my post, I feel like the spirit of it is being lost.
The average user (whatever that means) needs convenience with something like an OS. Otherwise they won't use it. I work with something similar to computers: Finance. It's REALLY complicated stuff. If you don't present it in the right fashion then you will not be listened to or you will scare the crap out of people. As an analytic I struggle daily with this lesson. Same goes for computers!
Linux is trying to get new users. We need to give them more convenience with intuitive freedom to customize. If it leads to the ability to learn more and not need the convenience, then great! I'm all for it! I would use it too!
Having to poke around all over the internet to find what should be fairly readily available options seems to be self-defeating for Linux as a whole. Maybe I'm just using the wrong flavor of Linux? That's another issue entirely.
She and I both understand that. However the experience was much more difficult than it probably needed to be. If it were an esoteric, little-used feature I can understand that. For a major feature, though, it seems like it could have been documented more and handled better is all. We had to try about half a dozen different ways of doing the same thing. Shouldn't there be an easier way?
Does anybody else think her name sounds like it should be on a beer bottle?
"Try Bell's new Summerglau!"
The ad brings up the idea that Linux is about freedom. Does Linux follow through on that promise?
I started using Ubuntu in December (hand in my geek card, I know). I tried once before with Mandrake about 5 years ago and it was too much work (honestly) for a hobby OS.
How free are people under Linux? I understand that it's about freedom of information, but when I think about the other possibilities that I might want to have in terms of User Interface manipulation (like the ad seems to suggest) I begin to wonder. Is there an easy (non-code, maybe even scripting) way to change the look of the UI? Is the UI as easy, fun, and colorful as the ad seems to suggest? These may seem like dumb questions to some, but if Linux wants market share they need to build a brand and follow through on that brand promise.
About freedom and intuition in applications: When trying to play a DVD on my girlfriend's brand new Ubuntu build it was necessary to download 3 different media applications (settled on VLC, but even that had a fatal bug sometimes) and sift for a while through google just to install the correct libs. I understand that the DVD format isn't free, but getting everything to work correctly was a bit of a chore. THAT is not freedom. THAT is frustration to a new user. If I hadn't been there I know she would have ditched the OS and gone back to Windows. She even picked up an "Ubuntu for Dummies" book (which did not fully describe getting a DVD to play) so she's by no means lazy about learning Linux.
She doesn't use the computer for too much but shouldn't the bare basics work immediately?
"Basics" are different for everyone (Aha! Another chance to have Linux be about freedom!) so shouldn't there be an option to walk people through what tasks they might use the computer for, then show them to the new user and make it enjoyably interactive to CHOOSE those programs, with an option somewhere to try out and learn other programs?
It's about freedom AND communicating that freedom effectively, and I feel the Linux community would benefit greatly from taking the time to concentrate on that aspect. If Linux (whatever flavor) is really about freedom, then that gift of freedom from developers comes with responsibility. That is a responsibility to coherently express how and what the OS can do.
If there really are a lot of people taking Linux notebooks/netbooks/desktops back, don't you think they at least *tried* tinkering with the OS? To me that says that the initial impression Linux gives may not be a helpful one.
If Linux is trying to get new users, shouldn't the focus be on effectively presenting the OS to new users?
In short, the ad seems cool, but Linux should get that ad out there and they should find a way to follow through on what effectively seems to be Linux's biggest shortcoming.
you might be right, yeah. I interpreted it differently, perhaps incorrectly.
My statements still stands, though: Make *everybody* do a clean install. No upgrades.
have the system pull all pertinent user data together, walk people through a data gathering wizard or something to backup all their stuff, then blow the system away and start over.
That might even give IT people a better way to deploy systems.
Make Windows a little more like Linux: Get users to EXPECT that their system is impermanent and separate their pertinent data from the ephemeral stuff.
We can't change user habits by allowing them to do the same dumb old things.
This story isn't so much a coding horror story as it is a compiling horror story.
I had a math professor at college (who also taught COBOL) about the times he had to carry stacks of punch cards across campus in the dead of winter. Of course they had to remain in order so it was apparently very difficult to store them with rubber bands or in a bag (i can't explain that part, perhaps he made it up?).
Of course, the inevitable slip on the ice occurred one day, sending piles of cards scattering everywhere, ruining a major project he'd been working on. Unfortunately there was no beautiful woman who came to help him pick them up, resulting in kinky geek love. There was just bruised body and ego along with a borked project.
How does your fancypants 50 Mhz dev machine look now, eh? :)
Often, that clean install makes for a much faster system after years of cruft building up on a system.
Although there may be compatibility issues, MS making a clean install mandatory might be one of the most clever marketing tools they've had in a while. Then again, it could backfire.
Word of mouth from those who migrate and see how fast a clean build of Win7 is vs XP might breathe new life into the Windows brand.
I'm surprised that water issues and technology don't get more attention on slashdot. It really seems to be the next oil. We're backing ourselves into a corner by using far more water than we should. I live right next to the largest source of fresh water in the world and even we are talking about shortages. What it must be like in other parts of the world(like the recent water shortage in Mexico) scares me.
Unfilmable? I don't agree.
See "The Brown Bunny" for instance. A great movie with long stretches of silence. The movie should be the same as the game. Give the audience time to really *feel* about what is going on:
If the hero is so noble in saving his girl, why is this land so barren, why does he feels o lonely, what is going on and why does it feel so wrong?
mod parent as total flamebait.
Every executive I know (i manage their finances) NEVER does their own taxes, and certainly does not have the time or expertise to do them.
Republicans are getting caught up in this, too.
Mod points really are like condoms. When you need one you don't have one.
So all I have to do now is post random idiocy ad nauseum, like the monkeys and their typewriters, and eventually I'll get all the achievements?
Put all my calls on hold, Ms. Secretary, I have some real work to do!
I completely agree with the girl who agrees with the guy who doesn't seem to agree with the other guy who disagrees with the original guy.
Once I started being more assertive and a little more of a jerk (ie loosening up and just having fun, actually) women started talking to me more. Of ocourse, I also started talking to THEM more too, which helps.
Lesson: I think many people take things too seriously (though for some that's their best asset), and ladies want to laugh too! Guys, women want someone with some backbone who is comfortable with himself (whatever that is!), who will make them feel secure (whatever that is for them), and man up to get things done (even if it's coding).
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They might also be referring to electric (lithium) batteries, but your idea is much more interesting.
IANAL.
Is it possible to fight something like this simply by showing up in court and saying,"Ok, prove it."
Shouldn't that be enough to get people off the hook? I'm fairly certain I'm over simplifying it, but I really feel like all this take-down BS is just smoke and mirrors to scare people
I am guilty of not doing things quickly. I have been ridiculed for years on how quickly I tie my shoes, for instance.
I try to do it faster, but I don't see how it can be done much faster, frankly, and I make sure the things are tied well so that I do not have to do it again.
Mindfulness seems to be slipping away. With twitter and facebook and god knows what else, it really feels like the soul has gone out of much of what we do each day.
I see this all the time in my work: People want to have their finances done in a flash without thinking or answering any fundamental questions about their life. When we cave and make a recommendation because people "just want an answer" they will often come back angry later on because they have no idea what we actually did for them, or they see no value in what has been done for them. The advisors who seem to prosper are the ones who brush off doing any really solid work and explain/charm away any difficult issues with their clients. Those of us who may overthink it, but often bring very key issues to light as a result of it, seem to have been relegated to the role of dinosaur. If you're looking for what happened on Wallstreet, I'd say that's it right there.
I am really sick of "The Age of Speed". We should strive for optimal mindfulness in each action we take, not slipshod whizzbang idiocy, which often seems to be called "clever" or "smart" by speed-freaks and know-it-alls.
People can only do so much, but I'd really like to see other opinions on this.
Even after 10 years RealPlayer stutters and looks terrible.
Does anyone have a link to the full 2 hour discussion that is actually watchable?
Even after 10 years, RealMedia still buffers and stutters and looks terrible.
Can someone please post a link to teh full 2 hour BSG UN discussion?