Thank you, thank you, thank you. And God bless you. I've been saying that for years. Java is not any more portable than any other language. It's just had the porting code done ahead of time for you.
Yes it would be a feat with important consequences like a slow crappy OS to rival Windows. Java is useless for systems work. Seriously misguided my ass, it doesn't matter if the hardware is fater and faster, the assembler and c code will still be faster than Java. The attitude of these days especially in Universities is that speed no longer matters, and that's just bullshit. It's that attitude that give us windows and legions of crap ass coders that only know java, the lincoln log set of languages. Java has it's place, but the phrase seriously misguided is more appropriately applied to these people who believe that Java, or any language for that matter, is the be all and end all of programming languages.
Wrong he broke U.S. law on U.S. soil. He was explaining how to circumvent the encryption in Vegas. Go read the DMCA, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. It's not difficult to understand. I agree the DMCA is wrong but he still violated it while in this country.
Free Speech is not absolute. Nor should it be. It's illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded place, for instance. It's also illegal to Show people how to circumvent an encryption device. Again should it be, no... but it is.
Jesus Christ! He's not an unwitting victim. He came here a broke the law. What is with you people that you think a foreigner can come over here and break ours laws with impunity. If that was the case, I'd start my own country, and come over to the U.S. to murder, and steal for a living, only to return to my country unhindered, becasue I wouldn't have laws against that. See how ridiculous that sounds. It doesn't matter that he is from another country, he broke the law and the situation will be handled as such.
At this point the best thing you can do is to fight to get him off. It's going to court, it SHOULD go to court, because by our law it is a criminal case. Deal with it. And while you're dealing help fight it.
There is no doubt in my mind that Dmitry should go free, but not because he's a foreigner, but because the law was bad to begin with, but that doesn't make it any less a law. Until the proper channels for repealing a bad law are tested and have failed do we have to right to start looking for other methods.
Read the frickin story and know what the situation is. They were selling the software in the U.S.. Not only that but Dmitri was describing hour to crack it in his talk. That alone is enough to nab him.
Actually it's the other way around, emotes didn't come first, they're relatively recent, I've been using since the mid eighties. Actually I refuse to use emoticons at all, I think they're pretty lame.
Here's a thought. Had you supported it, this problem might not have happened.
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I guess that's true. Although I'm of the opinion that one is just as bad as the other, but I guees I can see that Katz would be slightly better than traditional newsmen.
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It doesn't matter what encryption scheme they use, there will always be a way to get at the data. It's impossible to hide it completely. The problem is that a very small percentage of computer users, and then again a very small percentage of those have the skills and sohpistication to get at that data. The common computer user would be helpless. Which is all that really needs to happen in the eyes of the corporations, if less than one percent of cd buyers can get at the information the situation becomes much easier to control.
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Ack I would hope not. The last thing we need is another media type sensationalizing the tech news. Didn't we just have a big discussion about the media cocking up the news? And you want to allow Katz to pervert the minds of the un-initiated?!? Katz is pretty consistent in his use of drama and hyperbole to try and lend excitement and emotion to his stories. The last thing I want is Average Joe reading his articles and trying to talk about them.
Better to send someone who won't get facts wrong. Better yet, don't send anyone at all. I get so sick of overhearing (or trying to hold a conversation with) people talk about computers and tech who have no idea what they're talking about. People who read this little blurb on a website (newspaper, tv whatever) and think that they have a right to an opinion on the subject. Maybe if this sensationalist, innacurate bullshit wasn't out there people would feel more obliged to do the research to find out the real facts.
Please note I'm not putting anyone down, and tech isn't the only place this occurs.
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Sure it is. I'm not saying that every case ends up like that, just that you cannot take for granted that you have a license to kill (or attack or whatever) in that situation.
It's understandable in some ways. Say, for example, someone pulled you off the street into their home and shot you. It's your work against theirs that you didn't break in, and you're dead.
You'd think so, but there are plenty of cases in turn where the family sues for damages, or even worse murder charges are pressed. Revel in the beauty of the U.S. justice system.
Well we used to have HAMFEST around here a lot. Haven't seen any advertisements for one lately, then again I haven't been looking. It's possible that the Marketpro shows (that you mentioned) muscled it out of the way. Walking around was fun at HAMFESTS, lot of cool tech junk.
It's not necessarily true that an American citizen can respond with deadly force to criminal trespass. That varies state by state. Here, in MD, for example, if someone breaks into your home and threatens you, you must make every effort to vacate the home. You can not just shoot him for trespassing, breaking and entering, or anything else.
Guees that means if my machine gets hacked here I have to give it over to whomever hacked it.
Bite me...
Just kidding, the two words are "Easy Fix". According to the DMCA which they are using to try and stop the distribution of the decoder, we can encode it so and only give permision to decode it to people who rescind all claims at lawsuits resulting from the viewing of the code. After the Dmitry fiasco we don't even have to encode it in anything strong. One misspelling should do. They're not allowed to decode it to see that we are doing anything illegal, and any evidence gained will be illegal and inadmissable in court.
The preceding paragraph was a tongue at cheek poke at the DMCA and attempt to render it as anything but is illegal according to the DMCA. Furthermore to take away any meaning from the paragraph that is not desired by the writer is expressly forbidden by the DMCA.
Furthermore the reading of the above disclaimer constitutes agreement to all rules outlined herein (and any I should make up in the future).
The preceding paragraph is legally binding according to the UCITA bill. Passed in Maryland where this post was written.
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Neither you, I, or anyone else has the right to decide that another country's laws are unjust and need to be broken. When you travel you agree to follow the laws of the country you're visiting. If you don't like the laws, DON'T GO THERE. If you choose to break the law because you feel that it's unjust then you must face the consequences. Especially if you are breaking the law because you feel it's unjust. You are making a conscious choice to buck the system, if you're not smart enough to realize that you will have to face those consequences, that's your problem, it doesn't excuse you from being punished. Or more appropriately from having to fight the unjust law in the legal system that you broke it in.
While it can be sub-categorized as business law, that doesn't matter. It is above all U.S. law. I don't disagree that it should be ruled un-constitutional, I'm not evading that in any way, shape or, form. But it takes a court to decide that the law is unconstitutional, and until it is rules so, it is still a law and Dmitry broke it.
The problem is that people seem to believe that just because they don't like the law Dmitry should be freed. This is just not true. Number one the/. crows is a small section of society (not that only/.ers oppose the law). Number two, those that disagree need to make their voices heard when this goes to court. Dmitry stands accused of commiting a crime, which he did in fact commit.
Well, unfotuantely the world doesn't work that way. With large numbers of people it's necessary to have law to maintain order. Immorality is a relative term. I certainly wouldn't consent to rules made by the catholic church. What's immoral to one group is not to another. What is constant is that we must follow the law. An immoral or unjust law is still a law. We have the tools to change them legally, and illegally (but only as a last resort).
I find it ironic that you are espousing the catholic church as an institution that teaches you to think. I've had experience with catholic educational systems, and it is actually the opposite. Not only are the sciences horribly neglected, but you're taught to follow a big book of rules, not to mention to the extra rules that the catholics tack on. I'm not knocking your religion, just illustrating my point. The catholic church has a plethora of "moral rules" that the rest of the world doesn't necessarily share.
I believe it's the law that Dmitry was arrested under is immoral. However, nothing was done that was outside of the law, and legal procedure should be followed. It's the legal system of this country that allows you to practice your religion freely, and while it may at times be imperfect, it is mutable. It's immoral to decide that you don't have to adhere to the laws of this country just because you don't like them.
He's not being detained unjustly. He broke US law. There's no two ways about it. It doesn't matter whether he planned it or not. It doesn't matter what the law is. While in another country you are subject to their laws. Case closed.
You opinion isn't the law, thank god. He has been accused of breaking the law. He must stand trial for that. It's that simple. These protests were IMHO, not about the important issue. Personally I don't care if Dmitry got bail or not. Since he is a foreigner, he does pose a greater risk of flight. When we really need activism is when he stands trial. The consequences of the DMCA need to be pointed out so that his case is dismissed and the DMCA is challenged.
I don't understand how so many people can believe that the "right thing" is to just let him go. While that's the "moral right thing" it's not the "reight thing" when it comes to our society. Unfotunately, especially for Dmitry, he broke a law, a bad law nervertheless, but justice is not served by simply sending him home, it's served by challenging the bad law.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. And God bless you. I've been saying that for years. Java is not any more portable than any other language. It's just had the porting code done ahead of time for you.
Yes it would be a feat with important consequences like a slow crappy OS to rival Windows. Java is useless for systems work. Seriously misguided my ass, it doesn't matter if the hardware is fater and faster, the assembler and c code will still be faster than Java. The attitude of these days especially in Universities is that speed no longer matters, and that's just bullshit. It's that attitude that give us windows and legions of crap ass coders that only know java, the lincoln log set of languages. Java has it's place, but the phrase seriously misguided is more appropriately applied to these people who believe that Java, or any language for that matter, is the be all and end all of programming languages.
Portability?? WTF are you talking about it's a god damned OS, not a ridicolous little java app. You have to write for the hardware at that level.
Wrong he broke U.S. law on U.S. soil. He was explaining how to circumvent the encryption in Vegas. Go read the DMCA, IT IS AGAINST THE LAW. It's not difficult to understand. I agree the DMCA is wrong but he still violated it while in this country.
Free Speech is not absolute. Nor should it be. It's illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded place, for instance. It's also illegal to Show people how to circumvent an encryption device. Again should it be, no... but it is.
Horsepower is a pretty useless gauge, torque is more telling. My bike only has 90 some hp but it will blow just about any car out of the water.
At this point the best thing you can do is to fight to get him off. It's going to court, it SHOULD go to court, because by our law it is a criminal case. Deal with it. And while you're dealing help fight it.
There is no doubt in my mind that Dmitry should go free, but not because he's a foreigner, but because the law was bad to begin with, but that doesn't make it any less a law. Until the proper channels for repealing a bad law are tested and have failed do we have to right to start looking for other methods.
Read the frickin story and know what the situation is. They were selling the software in the U.S.. Not only that but Dmitri was describing hour to crack it in his talk. That alone is enough to nab him.
Actually it's the other way around, emotes didn't come first, they're relatively recent, I've been using since the mid eighties. Actually I refuse to use emoticons at all, I think they're pretty lame.
Here's a thought. Had you supported it, this problem might not have happened.
I guess that's true. Although I'm of the opinion that one is just as bad as the other, but I guees I can see that Katz would be slightly better than traditional newsmen.
It doesn't matter what encryption scheme they use, there will always be a way to get at the data. It's impossible to hide it completely. The problem is that a very small percentage of computer users, and then again a very small percentage of those have the skills and sohpistication to get at that data. The common computer user would be helpless. Which is all that really needs to happen in the eyes of the corporations, if less than one percent of cd buyers can get at the information the situation becomes much easier to control.
Better to send someone who won't get facts wrong. Better yet, don't send anyone at all. I get so sick of overhearing (or trying to hold a conversation with) people talk about computers and tech who have no idea what they're talking about. People who read this little blurb on a website (newspaper, tv whatever) and think that they have a right to an opinion on the subject. Maybe if this sensationalist, innacurate bullshit wasn't out there people would feel more obliged to do the research to find out the real facts.
Please note I'm not putting anyone down, and tech isn't the only place this occurs.
License Agreement: By decoding the above symbols into meaningful brain activity you have (by the DMCA) voluntarily given up the ability to decode the information contained therein in anyway way other than what the author intended. Furthermore, according to UCITA you may not review this post in any public way, this includes but is not limited to moderation, meta-moderation, or replying.
It's understandable in some ways. Say, for example, someone pulled you off the street into their home and shot you. It's your work against theirs that you didn't break in, and you're dead.
You'd think so, but there are plenty of cases in turn where the family sues for damages, or even worse murder charges are pressed. Revel in the beauty of the U.S. justice system.
You'll find plenty of cases where a criminal harmed by a victim who was protecting himself has successfully sued for damages.
Well we used to have HAMFEST around here a lot. Haven't seen any advertisements for one lately, then again I haven't been looking. It's possible that the Marketpro shows (that you mentioned) muscled it out of the way. Walking around was fun at HAMFESTS, lot of cool tech junk.
Guees that means if my machine gets hacked here I have to give it over to whomever hacked it.
... to say that this is a hoax. It has to be, hell I warned of this in a post a couple of weeks ago. I was using it as hyperbole. Gotta be a joke.
The preceding paragraph was a tongue at cheek poke at the DMCA and attempt to render it as anything but is illegal according to the DMCA. Furthermore to take away any meaning from the paragraph that is not desired by the writer is expressly forbidden by the DMCA.
Furthermore the reading of the above disclaimer constitutes agreement to all rules outlined herein (and any I should make up in the future).
The preceding paragraph is legally binding according to the UCITA bill. Passed in Maryland where this post was written.
We interrupt this post to tell you that those responsible for the UCITA and the DMCA have been sacked.
Terribly sorry, this post is being interrupted again to tell you that we cannot according to the DMCA decode the english that the DMCA and UCITA bills are written in, in order to introduce them as evidence for rightful termination. Those who were to sack the resposible parties have been sacked.
Neither you, I, or anyone else has the right to decide that another country's laws are unjust and need to be broken. When you travel you agree to follow the laws of the country you're visiting. If you don't like the laws, DON'T GO THERE. If you choose to break the law because you feel that it's unjust then you must face the consequences. Especially if you are breaking the law because you feel it's unjust. You are making a conscious choice to buck the system, if you're not smart enough to realize that you will have to face those consequences, that's your problem, it doesn't excuse you from being punished. Or more appropriately from having to fight the unjust law in the legal system that you broke it in.
The problem is that people seem to believe that just because they don't like the law Dmitry should be freed. This is just not true. Number one the /. crows is a small section of society (not that only /.ers oppose the law). Number two, those that disagree need to make their voices heard when this goes to court. Dmitry stands accused of commiting a crime, which he did in fact commit.
I find it ironic that you are espousing the catholic church as an institution that teaches you to think. I've had experience with catholic educational systems, and it is actually the opposite. Not only are the sciences horribly neglected, but you're taught to follow a big book of rules, not to mention to the extra rules that the catholics tack on. I'm not knocking your religion, just illustrating my point. The catholic church has a plethora of "moral rules" that the rest of the world doesn't necessarily share.
I believe it's the law that Dmitry was arrested under is immoral. However, nothing was done that was outside of the law, and legal procedure should be followed. It's the legal system of this country that allows you to practice your religion freely, and while it may at times be imperfect, it is mutable. It's immoral to decide that you don't have to adhere to the laws of this country just because you don't like them.
He's not being detained unjustly. He broke US law. There's no two ways about it. It doesn't matter whether he planned it or not. It doesn't matter what the law is. While in another country you are subject to their laws. Case closed.
I don't understand how so many people can believe that the "right thing" is to just let him go. While that's the "moral right thing" it's not the "reight thing" when it comes to our society. Unfotunately, especially for Dmitry, he broke a law, a bad law nervertheless, but justice is not served by simply sending him home, it's served by challenging the bad law.