So bin Laden's objective was to cripple our command and control so that he could then engage the United States in warfare? No. He wanted to kill as many Americans as possible, period. By no stretch of the imagination was the WTC a military target, and even the Pentagon was chosen not for its military but its symbolic value
Not to wage warfare against us but to hurt us as much as possible. I certainly agree that the attack was symbolic but it was also practical, do as much damage with as little resources. The US economy is a large part of our political power and the WTC and surrounding areas are important for our economy.
Like firebombing entire civilian populations of large cities? Ever heard of Dresden.
As for the Neo-Nazi comment. FUCK YOU! Disliking the actions of Israel and hating jews is completely different. Nice ad hominem attack though. Should I accuse you of being racist against Arabs and South-east Asians now.
Sharon isn't just "some person", he is hated by palestinians. Viewed on almost the same level as jews think of hitler. Check out his history in the IDF. It wasn't that a Jew or an israeli went, it was that Sharon went. As for evacuating outposts. Huh? They are still being built.
"Vietnam The US came to the aid of South Vietnam when the USSR invaded it."
What the hell? Did you go to school in Arkansas? The USSR supplied the North vietnamese, but "invaded"? i think not. The war was initially, and primarily a nationalistic struggle By the vietnamese against France and their puppet gov't. When france left the puppet gov't asked us to step in. learn some damn history.
No, Military crisis. The US doesn't care about the Israeli economy they just don't want Israel to be destroyed. Lucky for Israel the US is convinced that $2+ billion a year in military aid is the only way to deal with the "problem" of palestine.
Look at how Sharon got elected. Her went to the Western Wall with a shit load of israeli soldiers, probably the best way to agravate a situation that might have been on a path to peace. He doesn't care about Israeli lives. On the other side, neither does Arafat care about palestinian lives. But we all knew that already.
One other thing seperates us. We have enough power that we can choose to use less than full force. The attack on the WTC & the Pentagon was exactly what the US Gov't would have done given the same resources. You hear so much about "command and control" when the TV talks about war. Thats what the WTC and Pentagon were and are. I'm not trying justifying the attacks, just explain. As for peaceful... Well I'm an American(shudder) and I'm peaceful, that doesn't make my gov't peaceful. The supposed reason we invaded Afghanistan was because Bin Laden was there. Bull Shit. The Taliban, horrible people that they were/are, offered to give him to us. We decided we'd rather kill people. Doesn't sound like restraint to me.
Do you mean something similar to the unilateral cease fire declared by the palestinians which was promptly shattered when israel assasinated one of the leaders of a palestinian militant group? Israeli leaders want war. They want it because as long as they have the US will keep giving them money and Sharon will stay in office.
In fact they occupied territories essentially since the beginning of Israel. To a large extent Israel is all occupied territory. There were always palestinians that lived there and then the jews show up and say "hey UN, could you make this land ours?" and the UN was like "yeah no prob, don't worry about the people already there though, just treat them like second class citizens." so the israeli jews did. You know the iraeli arabs have special license plates that denote that they are arab? these are people born and raised in israel. that sounds so fair to me.
Two words, click & hold. At first the ctrl-click bugged the hell out of me too, I had used PCs for years, i just figured out the click & hold like a week ago and its way simple.
One part of this which is definitly novel is the talk of using appliance networks to minimize environmental impact. Not a bad idea. Thats the ECHONET they talk about in the standard.
Even if the pollution our industries create isn't causing this, plenty of reasons to not dump pollution into our environment exist. It's obvious, really. The debate over global warming can be a sort of smoke-screen obscuring the simple truth: don't sh*t in your own backyard. And when you think about it, it's all our backyard.
Couple problems here: Here in California, we recently had significant forest fires in forests that were largely made up of dead trees (killed by a pest). However, environmentalists blocked any attempt at clearing out those trees. Billions of dollars and many lives later, here we are.
The reason environmentalist oppossed clearing the forests of "dead" trees is because the logging companies were the ones who were suppose to be doing it. I find it unlikely that a logging company has much use for dead trees. I can only guess what there intention was.
There is a false understanding of what religion is that has gripped the world...religion is a definition of our relationship with a God. No God, no religion. However, religion is a belief system that explains who man is, where he came from, where is he going (what is his purpose) and how must he behave (my apologies to women - I mean man in the general sense...I wish we had a better word to fit)
The left wing secular movement today is a religion as is environmentalism. Both are part of the mindset that says that all ideologies are equal (of course except those that disagree with them). They are both, deep down, against freedom of choice because the average "wog" just can't understand.
Finally, if environmentalists truly lived by their belief that all life is equal, then any attempt to clean their surroundings or food of bacteria would be forbidden. Have you seen any environmentalist give up his/her life for bacteria lately? No? I didn't think so.
Hypocrites..no. A group held under the sway of feelings (and I don't mean love) rather than reason...absolutely.
Nice job of completely contradicting yourself. The word you are looking for is Ideology. Environmentalism is an ideology as is Capitalism, Communism and Libertarianism. All of these purport to be rationally thought out ideals or systems but they are really ideologies based on certain premises of those who hold them. Environmentlism Is based on the premis(sp?) that the earth and other forms of life on it are at least as necessary and important as are humans. The rest of environmentalism logically follows this premis.
PS those homes that are burnt, they are almost always construction and normally in places where fire couldd likely get to them, i.e. near wilderness. From that I'd guess that theey might save lives rather than ruin them. Oh and "You must change to our way of life or we will destroy you" is wrong, it should read "You must change to our way of life or we will change it for you" not much better certainly, but more respectful of life for sure.
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So bin Laden's objective was to cripple our command and control so that he could then engage the United States in warfare? No. He wanted to kill as many Americans as possible, period. By no stretch of the imagination was the WTC a military target, and even the Pentagon was chosen not for its military but its symbolic value
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Not to wage warfare against us but to hurt us as much as possible. I certainly agree that the attack was symbolic but it was also practical, do as much damage with as little resources. The US economy is a large part of our political power and the WTC and surrounding areas are important for our economy.
as for handing over bin laden, here you go.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2001/1014/taliban.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/special/t
While it did happen after the bombing started if Bush took the taliban up on it he would have Bin Laden
The point was whether or not it was a war of retaliation. It was not.
Like firebombing entire civilian populations of large cities? Ever heard of Dresden.
As for the Neo-Nazi comment. FUCK YOU! Disliking the actions of Israel and hating jews is completely different. Nice ad hominem attack though. Should I accuse you of being racist against Arabs and South-east Asians now.
Sharon isn't just "some person", he is hated by palestinians. Viewed on almost the same level as jews think of hitler. Check out his history in the IDF. It wasn't that a Jew or an israeli went, it was that Sharon went.
As for evacuating outposts. Huh? They are still being built.
"Vietnam The US came to the aid of South Vietnam when the USSR invaded it."
What the hell? Did you go to school in Arkansas? The USSR supplied the North vietnamese, but "invaded"? i think not. The war was initially, and primarily a nationalistic struggle By the vietnamese against France and their puppet gov't. When france left the puppet gov't asked us to step in.
learn some damn history.
heres a link that gives more info.
No, Military crisis. The US doesn't care about the Israeli economy they just don't want Israel to be destroyed. Lucky for Israel the US is convinced that $2+ billion a year in military aid is the only way to deal with the "problem" of palestine.
Look at how Sharon got elected. Her went to the Western Wall with a shit load of israeli soldiers, probably the best way to agravate a situation that might have been on a path to peace. He doesn't care about Israeli lives. On the other side, neither does Arafat care about palestinian lives. But we all knew that already.
One other thing seperates us. We have enough power that we can choose to use less than full force. The attack on the WTC & the Pentagon was exactly what the US Gov't would have done given the same resources. You hear so much about "command and control" when the TV talks about war. Thats what the WTC and Pentagon were and are. I'm not trying justifying the attacks, just explain. As for peaceful... Well I'm an American(shudder) and I'm peaceful, that doesn't make my gov't peaceful. The supposed reason we invaded Afghanistan was because Bin Laden was there. Bull Shit. The Taliban, horrible people that they were/are, offered to give him to us. We decided we'd rather kill people. Doesn't sound like restraint to me.
Do you mean something similar to the unilateral cease fire declared by the palestinians which was promptly shattered when israel assasinated one of the leaders of a palestinian militant group? Israeli leaders want war. They want it because as long as they have the US will keep giving them money and Sharon will stay in office.
I'm going to shoot you now because you have Weapons of Mass Destruction.
In fact they occupied territories essentially since the beginning of Israel. To a large extent Israel is all occupied territory. There were always palestinians that lived there and then the jews show up and say "hey UN, could you make this land ours?" and the UN was like "yeah no prob, don't worry about the people already there though, just treat them like second class citizens." so the israeli jews did. You know the iraeli arabs have special license plates that denote that they are arab? these are people born and raised in israel. that sounds so fair to me.
Two words, click & hold. At first the ctrl-click bugged the hell out of me too, I had used PCs for years, i just figured out the click & hold like a week ago and its way simple.
Buy a fucking mouse for gods sake!!!
It costs 15 bucks and makes the whole system 500 times better.
From what I could tell ECHONET was a unimplemented concept that could use the iReady(god that name sucks) standard as a means od implementation.
One part of this which is definitly novel is the talk of using appliance networks to minimize environmental impact. Not a bad idea. Thats the ECHONET they talk about in the standard.
If by computer you mean only the OnStar unit, then maybe. But you could seriously screw your engine by messing with the car computer.
Even if the pollution our industries create isn't causing this, plenty of reasons to not dump pollution into our environment exist. It's obvious, really. The debate over global warming can be a sort of smoke-screen obscuring the simple truth: don't sh*t in your own backyard. And when you think about it, it's all our backyard.
Here's another good one: EPA definitely full of sh*t [wired.com]
Book?
I didn't even RTFA!
I've only posted like 8 times, though.
Here in California, we recently had significant forest fires in forests that were largely made up of dead trees (killed by a pest). However, environmentalists blocked any attempt at clearing out those trees. Billions of dollars and many lives later, here we are.
The reason environmentalist oppossed clearing the forests of "dead" trees is because the logging companies were the ones who were suppose to be doing it. I find it unlikely that a logging company has much use for dead trees. I can only guess what there intention was.
Nice job of completely contradicting yourself. The word you are looking for is Ideology. Environmentalism is an ideology as is Capitalism, Communism and Libertarianism. All of these purport to be rationally thought out ideals or systems but they are really ideologies based on certain premises of those who hold them. Environmentlism Is based on the premis(sp?) that the earth and other forms of life on it are at least as necessary and important as are humans. The rest of environmentalism logically follows this premis.
PS those homes that are burnt, they are almost always construction and normally in places where fire couldd likely get to them, i.e. near wilderness. From that I'd guess that theey might save lives rather than ruin them. Oh and "You must change to our way of life or we will destroy you" is wrong, it should read "You must change to our way of life or we will change it for you" not much better certainly, but more respectful of life for sure.
For those of you who failed to read the website.
Earth Liberation Front Guidelines:
* To inflict economic damage on those profitting from the destruction and exploitation of the natural environment.
* To reveal and educate the public on the atrocities committed against the earth and all species that populate it.
* To take all necessary precautions against harming any animal, human and non-human.
They aren't trying to hurt people!
I have looked and found nothing, I have heard these claims time and time again. So I ask you again, show me proof!
I cannot find a shred of proof.
Ps how do i support them? by telling someone to read what they have to say? I think not.
You sure must be proud of your job if you're posting as an AC.
And why don't you document accusations rather than just make them?
Yep they've killed like... um... How many people?
oh yeah, None!
You might do well to read about those who you disagree with, that is the point of the article, isn't it?
horses mouth
that'll teach me to preview first
The attacks on SUVs are more about cars as a catalyst for urban sprawl. But why not get it from the horses mouth
works for 12" model.
On a side note:
why does it sound so strange to call it the one foot powerbook?