I have used KDE for many years, mostly on Debian. I get the impression that most of the issues that we are having lately is due to KDE, not Debian/Ubuntu.
KDE4 was/is crap. If I wanted Windows Vista, I would have just bought it.
I don't know what the issue is with the developers but they seem to have gotten it in their heads that KDE should be for entry-level computer users.
KDE3.5 was great. KDE4 was a disaster. It's really a shame.
I'm tired of marketing/sales dweebs "discovering" the Internet and renaming things that have already existed for years. I'm sick of this "cloud computing", "blogs", and "web 2.0" bull crap.
I have filed a bug under Debian where I am offering $250 if someone can get a.deb out before the end of next week.
If you are not already aware, the Firefux/Thunderturd/Seamonkey art licensing prohibits it's use under Debian/Ubuntu. As such, the packages must be renamed Iceweasle/Icedove/Iceape with new art.
Apple did not do this because they are trying to gain new customers. They did it because existing Apple customers already have been doing this for a long time.
Putting OSX Server onto little Mac Minis has been going on for a long time. People strap them to the back of plasma TVs, use them in point-of-sale, put them in kiosk boxes that use a modem for remote administration, or use them for a test server on their desk. Let's face it, I don't want to put a rack mount 1U XServe on my desk when I could just use a Mac Mini and basically get the same software features on much MUCH cheaper hardware.
That is why people want OSX Server on the Mac Mini; dev/testing, kiosks, and other rough-environment deployments.
Those screws are chrome-finish plated. Why would they chrome coat wood screws? They don't.
The idiot article author doesn't know what a wood screw from Home Depot looks like.
I don't have anything to say about other things the author says, but there is no way this dork has ever gotten a splinter or piece of sawdust in his eye his entire sheltered life.
If Cisco manufactures those "smart grid" (corp bullshit word) devices, nobody will be able to afford them, thus eliminating any requirement for IPv6.
I like how Cisco whines about IPv6, but let's face it; They charge a bunch of money for you to actually be able to use IPv6 in most of their products. Even the modern 3750-E series switches requires a multi-thousand dollar license to support IPv6, and the list of caveats is huge! Half the crap that you do with IPv4 won't even work with their IP Services images enabled.
Be looking at Juniper and other manufactures for IPv6 support. Cisco won't help their customers until they are forced into it.
Due to lack of support from developers, I recently moved my Debian desktop from IceApe (Seamonkey) to IceWeasel (FireFux) and IceDove (Thunderturd). I was horrified.
What have these people been doing all these years? There are no new features, only features that they have REMOVED from the suite! What's the benefit in that? It's less functional.
IceWeasel is far far FAR more unstable than the old IceApe. It crashes often. VERY VERY often.
So the new stuff is less featureful, less stable, and looks like crap.
What did we do to deserve this crappy Windows-wanna-be software?
The problem is that for so many people, articles like this are just telling the truth.
My Xbox 360 failed.
Of ALL the people (approximately ten off the top of my head) who I know own a XBox 360, 100% of them have had at least ONE failure. Some of these people have had multiple failures.
These are all adult friends, most without kids.
You can call B.S. on the results of what is probably this very unscientific poll which is only repeating what has already been stated many times already, but you can't tell me and the TENS OF THOUSANDS, probably HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, or possibly even the MILLIONS of people who have experienced an XBox 360 failure that Microsoft delivered anything other than a really crappy hardware platform, saved only by the software developed by non-Microsoft organizations.
Yes, I did that in all caps, because it doesn't seem to sink in for most helpdesker/phone-droids for wanna-be sysadmins that plauge IT there.
Hostnames are not documentation.
Hostnames are not documentation.
Hostnames are not documentation.
I hate places that try to name servers/workstations after some stupid coding methodology that ends up with "CLSmr1f18" for a hostname.
Also awesome(as in stupid) are the people who don't know about domain names and put the domain name in the host name. So, we have "mycompany-server00001.mycompany.com" Their next server is named "server2_mycompany.mycompany.com", just so they can score for inconsistency madness.
Other idiots insist on zero-padding all the server names (some with just a single zero, some with a double-zero, some with none). So, we have fifty servers that all end in 01. Like thing-web01, thing-app01, thing-miami01, otherthing-app01, zippy-app01, dumb-app01, fark-web01, etc etc etc. We have absolutely no server out there named anything-02 or above. (for added fun, use underscores in some hostnames instead of a hyphen). Zero padding is for computers, not people.
RFC1178 should be retired reading for all IT staff on their first day at work. Though, I would definitely like to see RFC1178 appended with the simple statement, as above;
Yes, this is just another complaint post of whining and griefing about how I upgraded from KDE 3.5 to 4.x and got all butthurt.
Individually, these complaints are just whining, but when you look at just how many people are really upset about KDE4 and protesting loudly about it, you can't deny that KDE4 has received a very cold welcome from it's existing user base.
I stayed away from KDE4 for awhile after it came out because I had read the very negative reviews from KDE3 users. But, after after 4.2 was out, I decided to go ahead and check it out. Couldn't be that bad, right?
The similarities with Vista are pretty clear to me. It looks like Visturd, and it was about as unstable, buggy, and design deficient.
Thanks to other stupidity by Debian about which display manager to use, and other fun with dpkg, nothing worked after upgrading. After getting into KDE for the first time, my old desktop was completely destroyed. There is absolutely no point in trying to "migrate" any configuration or data from KDE3 into KDE4, as it just broke things and I had to start over from scratch anyway. It was incapable of bringing over anything like my color templates, sound schemes. As far as I could tell, the migration process did nothing but break crap that otherwise would have worked by default.
It has been a month or two since I upgraded and I'm still thinking of ditching KDE completely now. I'm totally disillusioned. I'll have to try out Gnome and XFCE, as they seem to be my best bet. I was fortunate that I've been able to do a lot of my work on my Macbook Pro.
Maybe the KDE4 release would not have been so bad if expectations had been managed. Version 4.0 - 4.1 was BETA only, and 4.2 was barely release-quality ready.
The most upsetting facet of KDE4 is that it seems like it was designed for idiots/newbs. If I wanted Vista, I would just buy it already. If you design for idiots, nobody will be happy; the idiots are still idiots and can't use it, and everyone else is gone.
So, from me to you KDE4 developers, as a long-time KDE user, fark you too.
It occurs to me that the primary problem I have working with MS Word, and the other MS Office apps, is that they are inconsistent version for version. You have to re-learn MS Word over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. They move crap all over the menus just to confuse you. Since they had already moved everything around in different places about three times, they had to invent the ribbon because moving things around the menus got old!
I've been using word since the Windows 3.0 days. The most recent version of Office, 2007/2008 (I use both a Windows and OS X computer) is once again inconsistent with the previous version.
I much much prefer Neo Office on OSX over Word 2008.
I appreciate good progress in an application, but Microsoft doesn't care about progress -- they care about re-selling you the same damn thing you had as before, but promising to fix all the bugs they introduced in the first place! It's a real criminal racket -- they create the problem and keep selling you a "solution" that has more problems than the last time. They re-invent the file format, re-invent the interface, re-invent the packaging over and over and over and over...
Subbie didn't read article, but I have something to say about the subject anyway.
I worked at a couple of has-been MMO shops that either could not publish or published poop-in-a-box that could not keep them in business.
Either way, their game design is the same as the big popular/profitable MMOs. MMOs are NOT written made to challenge the player in anything more than a very trivial way.
MMOs have certain aspects that require some critical thinking and basic challenge, but that goes back to what "success" is in the game. Often, it's open-ended. The story for most MMOs is so weak you hardly know what the point the stupid game is anyway, but it doesn't matter, because that's not why you're there...
MMOs are just a big, fancy, complicated chat client. It's the social experience that counts, and not much else. When one game shop's product drifted too far from focusing on the social aspect of the game, I knew it was a looser product because people would not play it.
Nobody needs hand-eye coordination to play most MMOs. They make it complicated to seem like you do, but timing matters little due to uncontrollable network latency for the players. Thus, levels are needed to determine how much time you are willing to invest to have a higher social status.
As for mental challenge,.... well, you can't be much dumber than the customer base that I know of.
The point is to throw a bunch of people in a room, make THEM do all the work of entertaining each other, and you get paid the subscription costs to sit in the room and play tea party with each other.
I worked for EA Tiburon a couple of years back. Between working for EA and working in Florida, it was the WORST experience I ever had at work and home.
The toll roads sucked. It cost me something like $25-$30 a week to drive the roads I needed to get to work. The difference was like 15 minutes for the toll roads vs an hour to take the streets. The only good thing about them was that nobody could afford to drive on them, so traffic was light.
Fat government contractors? Yep. Blowing your tax money to get fat in Floriduh.
The old people definitely sucked.
Annoying students! Remember "Don't taze me bro!" boy? A classic Florida college doucheberry. Between their drunkenness, trashiness, and inflated self-importance, you were a miserable person if you lived anywhere near one of the many colleges.
The bugs were annoying, though all of the green wildlife mostly offset it.
Low pay. Consumables cost the same as everywhere else, though housing and taxes were lower. But, the whole of Florida was generally depressed as far as IT wages went.
I had never before witnessed someone use a racial slur against another person in a hateful way until I moved to Floriduh. Suddenly, I was working with two white people in my office refer to another employee, who was black, as a "nigger". I was shocked.
As the above commenter noted, the night life sucked, unless you went out to the theme parks.
I hope everything you own is on a UPS, because Floriduh I believe is the number one state for lightning strikes.
It's flat and has lots of trees. At first, you won't understand, but then realize that you can't see the horizon unless you go to the beach. All you can see is about two blocks away, and then it's trees. No hills -- ever. I think the highest point in the state is actually a land fill. After awhile, this really started to bother me. It made me feel trapped. I wanted to go to the airport and GTFO as soon as I could.
Worst of all though, was the bad attitude everyone else had. If you weren't retired, military, a tourist, or a racist red-neck, then you were bitter and angry about living in Floriduh. I guess I understood why. I got the hell out as soon as I found another job out of state and could arrange the move.
Unless I am mistaken, this device is a re-branded Venus T5 storage enclosure, made by AMS. With Linux, it works well. I've read the FreeBSD doesn't currently support SATA hub/switches (or whatever it's called), though that may be old info. The AMS device comes with Windows software, but I've been told it sucks.
Ultimately, this is a failure of the general public of the United States, not of government. The people are foolish and afraid of government, yet there is no proverbial or literal blood of the do-nothing tax-milking government workers. Those employed by the government will do whatever they can get away with, but it's the lack of participation by the general populous that allows them to continue doing nothing and get paid for it.
Hm, let's see... they are going to be raving chair-throwing anti-competitive ass-holes like the OS market? What else would you possibly expect? Why would they be any different? They see a market that they can take over, so they go for it.
Where a Microsoft mailing list like I find on FOSS projects, where the developers will actually respond and actually FIX bugs found and make actual improvements to the product?
Message boards? I've seen what Microsoft offers -- they suck donkey balls.
As for security fixes, most are fixed long long after the exploit is in the wild, and the only real way to get Microsoft to respond to a security problem is to actually release the exploit publicly, as they don't give a rats *** to responding to issues brought to them by researchers who try to do the right thing and warn before releasing.
So, basically, nothing changes.
Hell, I work in a corporate environment where we support Microsoft, Apple, and GNU/Linux stuff (and IBM AIX). We don't even bother calling or contacting Microsoft. We've long since banned their clueless rep from coming to our offices, as his sole reason for being wasn't to support us, but to sell to us.
No offense, but you are clearly not aware of what goes on in Phoenix AZ. We have swat team raids where the police burn down homes, shoot the people's pet dogs, and arrest the owners of news papers with absolutely no repercussions against the state employees committing these horrible acts.
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I have used KDE for many years, mostly on Debian. I get the impression that most of the issues that we are having lately is due to KDE, not Debian/Ubuntu.
KDE4 was/is crap. If I wanted Windows Vista, I would have just bought it.
I don't know what the issue is with the developers but they seem to have gotten it in their heads that KDE should be for entry-level computer users.
KDE3.5 was great. KDE4 was a disaster. It's really a shame.
Would someone please mod this guy up to 9000?
I'm tired of marketing/sales dweebs "discovering" the Internet and renaming things that have already existed for years. I'm sick of this "cloud computing", "blogs", and "web 2.0" bull crap.
I have filed a bug under Debian where I am offering $250 if someone can get a .deb out before the end of next week.
If you are not already aware, the Firefux/Thunderturd/Seamonkey art licensing prohibits it's use under Debian/Ubuntu. As such, the packages must be renamed Iceweasle/Icedove/Iceape with new art.
Apple did not do this because they are trying to gain new customers. They did it because existing Apple customers already have been doing this for a long time.
Putting OSX Server onto little Mac Minis has been going on for a long time. People strap them to the back of plasma TVs, use them in point-of-sale, put them in kiosk boxes that use a modem for remote administration, or use them for a test server on their desk. Let's face it, I don't want to put a rack mount 1U XServe on my desk when I could just use a Mac Mini and basically get the same software features on much MUCH cheaper hardware.
That is why people want OSX Server on the Mac Mini; dev/testing, kiosks, and other rough-environment deployments.
This summary reads like an advertisement! I can't wait to play! =)
Unless of course I was in Australia... then it would suck, I guess.
Those screws are chrome-finish plated. Why would they chrome coat wood screws? They don't.
The idiot article author doesn't know what a wood screw from Home Depot looks like.
I don't have anything to say about other things the author says, but there is no way this dork has ever gotten a splinter or piece of sawdust in his eye his entire sheltered life.
If Cisco manufactures those "smart grid" (corp bullshit word) devices, nobody will be able to afford them, thus eliminating any requirement for IPv6.
I like how Cisco whines about IPv6, but let's face it; They charge a bunch of money for you to actually be able to use IPv6 in most of their products. Even the modern 3750-E series switches requires a multi-thousand dollar license to support IPv6, and the list of caveats is huge! Half the crap that you do with IPv4 won't even work with their IP Services images enabled.
Be looking at Juniper and other manufactures for IPv6 support. Cisco won't help their customers until they are forced into it.
Due to lack of support from developers, I recently moved my Debian desktop from IceApe (Seamonkey) to IceWeasel (FireFux) and IceDove (Thunderturd). I was horrified.
What have these people been doing all these years? There are no new features, only features that they have REMOVED from the suite! What's the benefit in that? It's less functional.
IceWeasel is far far FAR more unstable than the old IceApe. It crashes often. VERY VERY often.
So the new stuff is less featureful, less stable, and looks like crap.
What did we do to deserve this crappy Windows-wanna-be software?
The problem is that for so many people, articles like this are just telling the truth.
My Xbox 360 failed.
Of ALL the people (approximately ten off the top of my head) who I know own a XBox 360, 100% of them have had at least ONE failure. Some of these people have had multiple failures.
These are all adult friends, most without kids.
You can call B.S. on the results of what is probably this very unscientific poll which is only repeating what has already been stated many times already, but you can't tell me and the TENS OF THOUSANDS, probably HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, or possibly even the MILLIONS of people who have experienced an XBox 360 failure that Microsoft delivered anything other than a really crappy hardware platform, saved only by the software developed by non-Microsoft organizations.
I am under the impression that if it has an HDMI port, you are good. If not, it's a death trap.
Yes, I did that in all caps, because it doesn't seem to sink in for most helpdesker/phone-droids for wanna-be sysadmins that plauge IT there.
Hostnames are not documentation.
Hostnames are not documentation.
Hostnames are not documentation.
I hate places that try to name servers/workstations after some stupid coding methodology that ends up with "CLSmr1f18" for a hostname.
Also awesome(as in stupid) are the people who don't know about domain names and put the domain name in the host name. So, we have "mycompany-server00001.mycompany.com" Their next server is named "server2_mycompany.mycompany.com", just so they can score for inconsistency madness.
Other idiots insist on zero-padding all the server names (some with just a single zero, some with a double-zero, some with none). So, we have fifty servers that all end in 01. Like thing-web01, thing-app01, thing-miami01, otherthing-app01, zippy-app01, dumb-app01, fark-web01, etc etc etc. We have absolutely no server out there named anything-02 or above. (for added fun, use underscores in some hostnames instead of a hyphen). Zero padding is for computers, not people.
RFC1178 should be retired reading for all IT staff on their first day at work. Though, I would definitely like to see RFC1178 appended with the simple statement, as above;
Hostnames are not documentation.
Vista, in it's entirety, was a showstopper bug. That didn't stop Microsoft from shipping it.
Yes, this is just another complaint post of whining and griefing about how I upgraded from KDE 3.5 to 4.x and got all butthurt.
Individually, these complaints are just whining, but when you look at just how many people are really upset about KDE4 and protesting loudly about it, you can't deny that KDE4 has received a very cold welcome from it's existing user base.
I stayed away from KDE4 for awhile after it came out because I had read the very negative reviews from KDE3 users. But, after after 4.2 was out, I decided to go ahead and check it out. Couldn't be that bad, right?
The similarities with Vista are pretty clear to me. It looks like Visturd, and it was about as unstable, buggy, and design deficient.
Thanks to other stupidity by Debian about which display manager to use, and other fun with dpkg, nothing worked after upgrading. After getting into KDE for the first time, my old desktop was completely destroyed. There is absolutely no point in trying to "migrate" any configuration or data from KDE3 into KDE4, as it just broke things and I had to start over from scratch anyway. It was incapable of bringing over anything like my color templates, sound schemes. As far as I could tell, the migration process did nothing but break crap that otherwise would have worked by default.
It has been a month or two since I upgraded and I'm still thinking of ditching KDE completely now. I'm totally disillusioned. I'll have to try out Gnome and XFCE, as they seem to be my best bet. I was fortunate that I've been able to do a lot of my work on my Macbook Pro.
Maybe the KDE4 release would not have been so bad if expectations had been managed. Version 4.0 - 4.1 was BETA only, and 4.2 was barely release-quality ready.
The most upsetting facet of KDE4 is that it seems like it was designed for idiots/newbs. If I wanted Vista, I would just buy it already. If you design for idiots, nobody will be happy; the idiots are still idiots and can't use it, and everyone else is gone.
So, from me to you KDE4 developers, as a long-time KDE user, fark you too.
It occurs to me that the primary problem I have working with MS Word, and the other MS Office apps, is that they are inconsistent version for version. You have to re-learn MS Word over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. They move crap all over the menus just to confuse you. Since they had already moved everything around in different places about three times, they had to invent the ribbon because moving things around the menus got old!
I've been using word since the Windows 3.0 days. The most recent version of Office, 2007/2008 (I use both a Windows and OS X computer) is once again inconsistent with the previous version.
I much much prefer Neo Office on OSX over Word 2008.
I appreciate good progress in an application, but Microsoft doesn't care about progress -- they care about re-selling you the same damn thing you had as before, but promising to fix all the bugs they introduced in the first place! It's a real criminal racket -- they create the problem and keep selling you a "solution" that has more problems than the last time. They re-invent the file format, re-invent the interface, re-invent the packaging over and over and over and over...
Subbie didn't read article, but I have something to say about the subject anyway.
I worked at a couple of has-been MMO shops that either could not publish or published poop-in-a-box that could not keep them in business.
Either way, their game design is the same as the big popular/profitable MMOs. MMOs are NOT written made to challenge the player in anything more than a very trivial way.
MMOs have certain aspects that require some critical thinking and basic challenge, but that goes back to what "success" is in the game. Often, it's open-ended. The story for most MMOs is so weak you hardly know what the point the stupid game is anyway, but it doesn't matter, because that's not why you're there...
MMOs are just a big, fancy, complicated chat client. It's the social experience that counts, and not much else. When one game shop's product drifted too far from focusing on the social aspect of the game, I knew it was a looser product because people would not play it.
Nobody needs hand-eye coordination to play most MMOs. They make it complicated to seem like you do, but timing matters little due to uncontrollable network latency for the players. Thus, levels are needed to determine how much time you are willing to invest to have a higher social status.
As for mental challenge,.... well, you can't be much dumber than the customer base that I know of.
The point is to throw a bunch of people in a room, make THEM do all the work of entertaining each other, and you get paid the subscription costs to sit in the room and play tea party with each other.
Let's see, did all the lusers using MSIE suddenly get a lot smarter? Probably not.
"Accenture"
For the uninformed, It's pronounced "ass enter"
And, yes, Accenture is the IT branch of the disgraced company formerly known as Anderson Consulting.
I worked for EA Tiburon a couple of years back. Between working for EA and working in Florida, it was the WORST experience I ever had at work and home.
The toll roads sucked. It cost me something like $25-$30 a week to drive the roads I needed to get to work. The difference was like 15 minutes for the toll roads vs an hour to take the streets. The only good thing about them was that nobody could afford to drive on them, so traffic was light.
Fat government contractors? Yep. Blowing your tax money to get fat in Floriduh.
The old people definitely sucked.
Annoying students! Remember "Don't taze me bro!" boy? A classic Florida college doucheberry. Between their drunkenness, trashiness, and inflated self-importance, you were a miserable person if you lived anywhere near one of the many colleges.
The bugs were annoying, though all of the green wildlife mostly offset it.
Low pay. Consumables cost the same as everywhere else, though housing and taxes were lower. But, the whole of Florida was generally depressed as far as IT wages went.
I had never before witnessed someone use a racial slur against another person in a hateful way until I moved to Floriduh. Suddenly, I was working with two white people in my office refer to another employee, who was black, as a "nigger". I was shocked.
As the above commenter noted, the night life sucked, unless you went out to the theme parks.
I hope everything you own is on a UPS, because Floriduh I believe is the number one state for lightning strikes.
It's flat and has lots of trees. At first, you won't understand, but then realize that you can't see the horizon unless you go to the beach. All you can see is about two blocks away, and then it's trees. No hills -- ever. I think the highest point in the state is actually a land fill. After awhile, this really started to bother me. It made me feel trapped. I wanted to go to the airport and GTFO as soon as I could.
Worst of all though, was the bad attitude everyone else had. If you weren't retired, military, a tourist, or a racist red-neck, then you were bitter and angry about living in Floriduh. I guess I understood why. I got the hell out as soon as I found another job out of state and could arrange the move.
Unless I am mistaken, this device is a re-branded Venus T5 storage enclosure, made by AMS. With Linux, it works well. I've read the FreeBSD doesn't currently support SATA hub/switches (or whatever it's called), though that may be old info. The AMS device comes with Windows software, but I've been told it sucks.
Ultimately, this is a failure of the general public of the United States, not of government. The people are foolish and afraid of government, yet there is no proverbial or literal blood of the do-nothing tax-milking government workers. Those employed by the government will do whatever they can get away with, but it's the lack of participation by the general populous that allows them to continue doing nothing and get paid for it.
Why did they fail to compare performance with Windows XP?
Hm, let's see... they are going to be raving chair-throwing anti-competitive ass-holes like the OS market? What else would you possibly expect? Why would they be any different? They see a market that they can take over, so they go for it.
Nintedo brand cell phones?
Support? Microsoft? WHAT support?
Where a Microsoft mailing list like I find on FOSS projects, where the developers will actually respond and actually FIX bugs found and make actual improvements to the product?
Message boards? I've seen what Microsoft offers -- they suck donkey balls.
As for security fixes, most are fixed long long after the exploit is in the wild, and the only real way to get Microsoft to respond to a security problem is to actually release the exploit publicly, as they don't give a rats *** to responding to issues brought to them by researchers who try to do the right thing and warn before releasing.
So, basically, nothing changes.
Hell, I work in a corporate environment where we support Microsoft, Apple, and GNU/Linux stuff (and IBM AIX). We don't even bother calling or contacting Microsoft. We've long since banned their clueless rep from coming to our offices, as his sole reason for being wasn't to support us, but to sell to us.
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No offense, but you are clearly not aware of what goes on in Phoenix AZ. We have swat team raids where the police burn down homes, shoot the people's pet dogs, and arrest the owners of news papers with absolutely no repercussions against the state employees committing these horrible acts.