Except the FOI request was from other scientist in the same field. It is one thing to be annoyed by an FOI request by someone outside the field but this was not the case. It is quite disturbing when you have scientist "20+ years" in the filed refusing to share data because???
No, as a scientist, something is very wrong with the way these professors acted and it should not be simply overlooked as anger and annoyance. The emails and the way they have acted all suggest they wanted to hide something.
Interestingly it does appear that some people do have a resistance to HIV, in fact they have an antibody which is expressed and currently being used by researchers as a possible treatment for AIDS. I pulled this from the article below: "The second discovery is that an antibody exists that can signal immune destruction of the virus. The antibody, 2G12, protects people who have it against HIV progression..."
Again you are missing the point that this is going to be an issue.
It is rather comical that you argue that currently light bulbs are a small fraction of the mercury found in landfills, when that is obvious because it is only now becoming a recent trend to use CFL's. In 2-5 years time as more and more people adopt to using CFL's and more and more people throw them away your going to see mercury from CFL's become a larger and larger source.
I would say you are being relatively short sighted in your argument most likely to prove your point instead of acknowledging this will be an issue, and one that we should deal with now rather than waiting for "tons of mercury" to appear in our landfills.
Mercury spills happen infrequently across the country in university chemistry labs. Typically zinc or sulfur powder is used which binds mercury followed by proper disposal by the university environment, health, and safety department. Many universities are switching to alcohol based thermometers to prevent this.
If you spill mercury I would recommend the following from the Ohio State website:
IMPORTANT NOTES !!! Pregnant women and children should be removed from a spill site and should never be included in cleanup activities. If a resident has already vacuumed the mercury spill, walked through the spill, or otherwise extended the spill beyond its initial spill location, disregard the small mercury spills fact sheet and the mercury cleanup kit document and contact the Ohio EPA's spill hotline at 1-800-282-9378. If a resident have properly contained the spill, complete the first five steps of the "Small Mercury Spills - What should you do?" fact sheet. There are mercury spill kits commercially available and convenient. But these kits can be expensive and are not absolutely necessary to clean up a small, contained mercury spill (such as a fever thermometer or mercury switch break). The following are some common household items that could be used to construct an in-home mercury cleanup kit for a small, contained spill: Rubber gloves Goggles Flashlight Rubber squeegee Tape (use wide duct, or masking) Stiff index card Eye dropper Syringe without needle Plastic containers with lids Wide mouth container Plastic bags with zipper seal Plastic sheeting Trash bags Tray or box Powdered sulfur *1 Powdered zinc *2 Powdered sulfur and zinc can be found at garden supply stores or chemical supply houses. These powders do not prevent mercury vapors, but bind the mercury to the powders for cleanup. *1- Sulfur powder turns from yellow to brown when it comes in contact with mercury. *2- Zinc powder amalgamates (bonds with) mercury. Note: Any item used during a mercury spill cleanup should be double-bagged and disposed of safely. If the spill was properly contained and cleaned, environmental air testing may not be necessary for spills as small as a broken fever thermometer. However, a person may wish to have their residence tested to ensure safe levels for re-occupancy.
You see a landfill gets many things dumped into them that should not be. The major problem with this is that many of these chemicals end up reacting with mercury which causes more problems then most people realize, please see some of the URL's below as to why you are mistaken in assuming that mercury is a noble gas. On top of this you also have the problem that it appears bacteria found in landfills are able to convert mercury into the much deadlier form of methylated mercury which is again bad.
Funny thing is the article makes a very good point that you have chosen to ignore.
I agree that the potential for one bulb to cause a problem is very small, as my dad use to play with liquid mercury in the chemistry lab he worked at and he was perfectly fine.
The issue is when you take 5mg of mercury and multiply it by the number of people who just toss these in landfills. Let us take a reasonably small number of say 40,000 bulbs in your local landfill that is 200,000 mg of mercury. I can assure you that 200,000 mg could easily leach into your local water supply if the land fill is poorly designed or overused (which happens frequently).
As the story claims the issue will be cleaning up these bulbs when they have been used, which should be addressed now.
I don't think anyone is concerned with this being a danger to life. Contrary I am concerned with possible voltage leakage into my memory modules, motherboard, etc. I think if you ask almost everyone who has contacted Dell or is investigating this issue you will see this is our major concern, it wouldn't take much of an arc into a component to cause issue.
Perhaps what we just found here is the reason why so many 9400's have to have warranty work twice a year. I don't know but I do know screws holding your chassis should not be leaking voltage, if it is simply the PSU being ungrounded then it is a simple fix to send grounded PSU's to those of us who are concerned. No harm no foul.
I have been testing this issue more while on hold with Dell's technical support.
If I disconnect the AC adapter and test the screws again the voltage essentially disappears. From what I have read on other forums the issue seems to be that the AC adapters supplied by Dell are two pronged, no ground, and if you use a three pronged adapter the issue is nonexistent. From my test this seems to support this conclusion.
If you have a E1705 or E1505 I would suggest calling Dell and discussing this with them as I have a feeling if properly tested all newer laptops are having this issue. (Please remember I have only tested 10 laptops which is not a large sample size.)
I just checked all the Dell laptops our company owns, about 10 of them (E1505 and E1705 models). All of them are producing around 3-5 Volts of AC off the screws. In fact the one producing the highest voltage is currently on a service call as the system has stopped working.
I am currently in contact with Dell about this issue and I am being informed they are letting the engineers know of the issue and hope to have a resolution soon.
The funniest thing I have read regarding this was a post in notebookforums from aindfan:
"I took my E1705 up to the Senior Design EE lab here. The two seniors that were there glanced over at my oscilloscope and realized what was going on, most likely assuming that I did not ground properly. When we took it over to the new, more advanced scope, the measurements reported were of a 60Hz periodic function with a peak-to-peak voltage of ~150V.
Being curious EE's, the next natural step that the seniors suggested was to see if we could pull any current out of the screws. A few moments later, we had a circuit with a laptop screw connecting to an LED in series with a 1K Ohm resistor connected to the ground node of a power supply (connected directly to the ground of a wall socket). I am happy to report that the LED turned on and there was a measured current of about 1.4 (mille or micro, I forget which) Amps flowing from the screw to the resistor.
Remember, folks, there will never be current flowing out of the laptop without a load attached to the screws. So don't hook up any 1 Ohm resistors if this is happening to your laptop, you might fry a few things (due to the large current, remember V=IR).
I'm opening up a Dell chat now to see about getting this resolved.
Thanks for starting this thread ViriiGuy. It was quite interesting to play around with the testing for this.
EDIT: When I asked the dell chat support tech if she could send a 3 pronged power adapter (after I explained the issue), she replied "I cannot do that.""
This is not entirely true as well. The problem with pharmaceutical companies is when they report financials they have a category labeled as "Selling, Informational and administrative expenses." SG&A is the income statement item which combines salaries, commissions, and travel expenses for executives and salespeople, advertising costs, and payroll expenses.
For example looking under Pfizer's recent released financials you will see they spent 7,599 and 835 on R&D costs (clearly stated) while spending 15,589 on SG&A. Assuming SG&A all goes to marketing, which is incorrect, you would get a good 32% on marketing and 17% on R&D. However as stated SG&A is not just marketing. If you could figure out what percentage of SG&A is marketing then you would be correct.
If I recall correctly congress was going to pass a bill which would of required pharmaceutical companies to report the true percentage spent on marketing but due to lobbying it was shot down.
If the alignment of names is the same in all machines, then a shift in one direction will favor a set, i.e. republicans. It would be a conspiracy if it was not consistent. Of course you knew that, just like the original submitter of the article. The conspiracy should be is Slashdot getting as bad as news sources in trying to sensationalize stories?
If I saw the other comments I wouldn't have posted however you clearly are quite stupid. You make a statement in which you have no evidence to back it up; this makes you look very dumb and ignorant. You should have at least one scientific journal to source, which would still be lacking. Quoting a documentary is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, as if a documentary does not have a bias. As for the avian flu it would be simple to provide a link, such as:
Please provide links to these claims, and not from obviously bias sources. Go to pubmed and do a search and please supply me with the sources for your claims that cheese have been altered to be addictive. You do realize how stupid that sounds but still I would love to read in a peer reviewed journal someone who actually did research on this.
HardOCP tends to lean toward AMD. It is naive to believe that future games are not going to run faster on the newest Intel offering over AMD's current setup. Reluctantly even HardOCP admits to this;
If I had an older system and had to put my foot down and choose a system with the future in mind, I would probably lean toward the Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 platform for "future proofing" if Oblivion were any indication of future games. If you have a higher-end AMD Athlon 64 system platform right now though, there really isn't any need to go scrambling to Intel Core 2 at this particular time for gaming. I'd wait it out and see what the future brings.
Obviously Intel's chip is better yet HardOCP is reluctant to admit this because? Funny how people complain about sites which have a pretty obvious Intel bias, yet AMD bias is glossed over.
Hence it should be considered a hypothesis. Or as Stephen Hawkings has written (this can also be found on wikipedia and has been verified with my own copy) "any physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that it is only a hypothesis; you can never prove it. No matter how many times the results of experiments agree with some theory, you can never be sure that the next time the result will not contradict the theory. On the other hand, you can disprove a theory by finding even a single repeatable observation that disagrees with the predictions of the theory."
Also you assume that Mr. Deutsch meant for the common, yet incorrect, definition of theory to be understood as being applied. Why is this assumption held true, Mr. Deutsch could have and should have understood the difference between the layman and scientific application of this word? Clearly it should be called the Big Bang theory.
I would say the bigger issue is the withholding of data, unless it was erroneous.
I would disagree, and I, for one, welcome our new bacteria overlords.
Go do a search on microbial communication. This is a contested scientific topic, I would say it is still too early to disregard this research and poopoo it as you have. Besides would you argue mammalian cells as not self-aware?
This sounds like Kerryian rhetoric. Kerry don't you have an election to lose? whats that? you won the election before you elected to lose the election after you accepted the nomination. Good Job
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Except the FOI request was from other scientist in the same field. It is one thing to be annoyed by an FOI request by someone outside the field but this was not the case. It is quite disturbing when you have scientist "20+ years" in the filed refusing to share data because???
No, as a scientist, something is very wrong with the way these professors acted and it should not be simply overlooked as anger and annoyance. The emails and the way they have acted all suggest they wanted to hide something.
Not Even close:
http://flutracker.rhizalabs.com/
United States already has over 17,000 confirmed cases of novel H1N1.
No your assertion is incorrect. I will not bother responding as an adequate answer has already been given:
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1198631&cid=27575011
by the way do you drink much Kool-Aid? Just wondering.
on top of that the fluorophores used in this paper are definitely undergoing photobleaching, defined below:
http://everything2.com/e2node/photobleaching
How practical is a solar cell that is continuously losing it's efficiency?
Thanks for the information roystgnr. I am glad to read Paul is still standing up for the constitution.
or in Ron Paul's case just not vote on this Bill:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2008/roll437.xml
I would not consider that a no vote.
Interestingly it does appear that some people do have a resistance to HIV, in fact they have an antibody which is expressed and currently being used by researchers as a possible treatment for AIDS. I pulled this from the article below: "The second discovery is that an antibody exists that can signal immune destruction of the virus. The antibody, 2G12, protects people who have it against HIV progression..."
http://www.biotechmashup.com/2008/02/28/stop-hiv-before-it-starts/
and most people will be aware of what you just stated, please mod this up.
Again you are missing the point that this is going to be an issue.
It is rather comical that you argue that currently light bulbs are a small fraction of the mercury found in landfills, when that is obvious because it is only now becoming a recent trend to use CFL's. In 2-5 years time as more and more people adopt to using CFL's and more and more people throw them away your going to see mercury from CFL's become a larger and larger source.
I would say you are being relatively short sighted in your argument most likely to prove your point instead of acknowledging this will be an issue, and one that we should deal with now rather than waiting for "tons of mercury" to appear in our landfills.
Mercury spills happen infrequently across the country in university chemistry labs. Typically zinc or sulfur powder is used which binds mercury followed by proper disposal by the university environment, health, and safety department. Many universities are switching to alcohol based thermometers to prevent this.
If you spill mercury I would recommend the following from the Ohio State website:
IMPORTANT NOTES !!! Pregnant women and children should be removed from a spill site and should never be
included in cleanup activities. If a resident has already vacuumed the mercury spill, walked through the spill, or
otherwise extended the spill beyond its initial spill location, disregard the small mercury spills fact sheet and
the mercury cleanup kit document and contact the Ohio EPA's spill hotline at 1-800-282-9378. If a resident have
properly contained the spill, complete the first five steps of the "Small Mercury Spills - What should you do?"
fact sheet. There are mercury spill kits commercially available and convenient. But these kits can be expensive
and are not absolutely necessary to clean up a small, contained mercury spill (such as a fever thermometer or
mercury switch break). The following are some common household items that could be used to construct an
in-home mercury cleanup kit for a small, contained spill:
Rubber gloves
Goggles
Flashlight
Rubber squeegee
Tape (use wide duct, or masking)
Stiff index card
Eye dropper
Syringe without needle
Plastic containers with lids
Wide mouth container
Plastic bags with zipper seal
Plastic sheeting
Trash bags
Tray or box
Powdered sulfur *1
Powdered zinc *2
Powdered sulfur and zinc can be found at garden supply stores or chemical supply houses.
These powders do not prevent mercury vapors, but bind the mercury to the powders for cleanup.
*1- Sulfur powder turns from yellow to brown when it comes in contact with mercury.
*2- Zinc powder amalgamates (bonds with) mercury.
Note: Any item used during a mercury spill cleanup should be double-bagged and disposed of safely. If the
spill was properly contained and cleaned, environmental air testing may not be necessary for spills as small as
a broken fever thermometer. However, a person may wish to have their residence tested to ensure safe levels
for re-occupancy.
organic mercury however is not:
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http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v242/n5398/a
As stated in my other post mercury can be converted into organic mercury in landfills.
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You see a landfill gets many things dumped into them that should not be. The major problem with this is that many of these chemicals end up reacting with mercury which causes more problems then most people realize, please see some of the URL's below as to why you are mistaken in assuming that mercury is a noble gas. On top of this you also have the problem that it appears bacteria found in landfills are able to convert mercury into the much deadlier form of methylated mercury which is again bad.
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20010707/fob1
http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/people/lindberg/lindberg3
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb4814/is_2
Funny thing is the article makes a very good point that you have chosen to ignore.
I agree that the potential for one bulb to cause a problem is very small, as my dad use to play with liquid mercury in the chemistry lab he worked at and he was perfectly fine.
The issue is when you take 5mg of mercury and multiply it by the number of people who just toss these in landfills. Let us take a reasonably small number of say 40,000 bulbs in your local landfill that is 200,000 mg of mercury. I can assure you that 200,000 mg could easily leach into your local water supply if the land fill is poorly designed or overused (which happens frequently).
As the story claims the issue will be cleaning up these bulbs when they have been used, which should be addressed now.
I don't think anyone is concerned with this being a danger to life. Contrary I am concerned with possible voltage leakage into my memory modules, motherboard, etc. I think if you ask almost everyone who has contacted Dell or is investigating this issue you will see this is our major concern, it wouldn't take much of an arc into a component to cause issue.
Perhaps what we just found here is the reason why so many 9400's have to have warranty work twice a year. I don't know but I do know screws holding your chassis should not be leaking voltage, if it is simply the PSU being ungrounded then it is a simple fix to send grounded PSU's to those of us who are concerned. No harm no foul.
I have been testing this issue more while on hold with Dell's technical support.
If I disconnect the AC adapter and test the screws again the voltage essentially disappears. From what I have read on other forums the issue seems to be that the AC adapters supplied by Dell are two pronged, no ground, and if you use a three pronged adapter the issue is nonexistent. From my test this seems to support this conclusion.
If you have a E1705 or E1505 I would suggest calling Dell and discussing this with them as I have a feeling if properly tested all newer laptops are having this issue. (Please remember I have only tested 10 laptops which is not a large sample size.)
I just checked all the Dell laptops our company owns, about 10 of them (E1505 and E1705 models). All of them are producing around 3-5 Volts of AC off the screws. In fact the one producing the highest voltage is currently on a service call as the system has stopped working.
I am currently in contact with Dell about this issue and I am being informed they are letting the engineers know of the issue and hope to have a resolution soon.
The funniest thing I have read regarding this was a post in notebookforums from aindfan:
"I took my E1705 up to the Senior Design EE lab here. The two seniors that were there glanced over at my oscilloscope and realized what was going on, most likely assuming that I did not ground properly. When we took it over to the new, more advanced scope, the measurements reported were of a 60Hz periodic function with a peak-to-peak voltage of ~150V.
Being curious EE's, the next natural step that the seniors suggested was to see if we could pull any current out of the screws. A few moments later, we had a circuit with a laptop screw connecting to an LED in series with a 1K Ohm resistor connected to the ground node of a power supply (connected directly to the ground of a wall socket). I am happy to report that the LED turned on and there was a measured current of about 1.4 (mille or micro, I forget which) Amps flowing from the screw to the resistor.
Remember, folks, there will never be current flowing out of the laptop without a load attached to the screws. So don't hook up any 1 Ohm resistors if this is happening to your laptop, you might fry a few things (due to the large current, remember V=IR).
I'm opening up a Dell chat now to see about getting this resolved.
Thanks for starting this thread ViriiGuy. It was quite interesting to play around with the testing for this.
EDIT: When I asked the dell chat support tech if she could send a 3 pronged power adapter (after I explained the issue), she replied "I cannot do that.""
Good stuff.
This is not entirely true as well. The problem with pharmaceutical companies is when they report financials they have a category labeled as "Selling, Informational and administrative expenses." SG&A is the income statement item which combines salaries, commissions, and travel expenses for executives and salespeople, advertising costs, and payroll expenses.
For example looking under Pfizer's recent released financials you will see they spent 7,599 and 835 on R&D costs (clearly stated) while spending 15,589 on SG&A. Assuming SG&A all goes to marketing, which is incorrect, you would get a good 32% on marketing and 17% on R&D. However as stated SG&A is not just marketing. If you could figure out what percentage of SG&A is marketing then you would be correct.
If I recall correctly congress was going to pass a bill which would of required pharmaceutical companies to report the true percentage spent on marketing but due to lobbying it was shot down.
If the alignment of names is the same in all machines, then a shift in one direction will favor a set, i.e. republicans. It would be a conspiracy if it was not consistent. Of course you knew that, just like the original submitter of the article. The conspiracy should be is Slashdot getting as bad as news sources in trying to sensationalize stories?
If I saw the other comments I wouldn't have posted however you clearly are quite stupid. You make a statement in which you have no evidence to back it up; this makes you look very dumb and ignorant. You should have at least one scientific journal to source, which would still be lacking. Quoting a documentary is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, as if a documentary does not have a bias. As for the avian flu it would be simple to provide a link, such as:
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/
Of course from the way you have been responding I can understand why this would be too difficult for you to understand or most likely even do.
Please provide links to these claims, and not from obviously bias sources. Go to pubmed and do a search and please supply me with the sources for your claims that cheese have been altered to be addictive. You do realize how stupid that sounds but still I would love to read in a peer reviewed journal someone who actually did research on this.
Obviously Intel's chip is better yet HardOCP is reluctant to admit this because? Funny how people complain about sites which have a pretty obvious Intel bias, yet AMD bias is glossed over.
Hence it should be considered a hypothesis. Or as Stephen Hawkings has written (this can also be found on wikipedia and has been verified with my own copy) "any physical theory is always provisional, in the sense that it is only a hypothesis; you can never prove it. No matter how many times the results of experiments agree with some theory, you can never be sure that the next time the result will not contradict the theory. On the other hand, you can disprove a theory by finding even a single repeatable observation that disagrees with the predictions of the theory."
Also you assume that Mr. Deutsch meant for the common, yet incorrect, definition of theory to be understood as being applied. Why is this assumption held true, Mr. Deutsch could have and should have understood the difference between the layman and scientific application of this word? Clearly it should be called the Big Bang theory.
I would say the bigger issue is the withholding of data, unless it was erroneous.
I would disagree, and I, for one, welcome our new bacteria overlords.
Go do a search on microbial communication. This is a contested scientific topic, I would say it is still too early to disregard this research and poopoo it as you have. Besides would you argue mammalian cells as not self-aware?
oil is toxic, explosive and last for centuries so whats your point?
This sounds like Kerryian rhetoric. Kerry don't you have an election to lose? whats that? you won the election before you elected to lose the election after you accepted the nomination. Good Job
Nice job answering the question.