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Newly Discovered Fungus Threatens World Wheat Crop

RickRussellTX writes "The UN reports that a variety of the rust fungus originally detected in Uganda in 1999 has already spread as far north as Iran, threatening wheat production across its range. The fungus infects wheat stems and affects 80% of wheat varieties, putting crops at risk and threatening the food sources for billions of people across central Asia. Although scientists believe they can develop resistant hybrids, the fungus is moving much faster than anticipated and resistant hybrids may still be years away. Meanwhile, national governments in the path of the fungus are telling folks that there is nothing to worry about."

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  1. Billions in Central Asia? by a+whoabot · · Score: 1, Interesting

    What's the definition of "central Asia"? Is there really "billions of people" there?

    1. Re:Billions in Central Asia? by xstonedogx · · Score: 1

      Hey!

      Locusts are people, too.

    2. Re:Billions in Central Asia? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Informative

      What's the definition of "central Asia"? Is there really "billions of people" there?

      A few seconds research would've give you an answer (80 million for the lazy).

      I think however that the range of the fungus is far wider than just central Asia. Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia (along with the countries they supply grain to] could be affected, along with the rest of the world if the fungus continues to spread.

      New scientist has a better article (from almost a year ago).

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    3. Re:Billions in Central Asia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank god for your contribution, huh?

    4. Re:Billions in Central Asia? by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One might also ask what the definition of "newly discovered" is nowadays.
      Given the ever increasing rate of change, somehow 1999 doesn't cut it for me...

    5. Re:Billions in Central Asia? by call-me-kenneth · · Score: 1

      We're all doomed - DOOMED, I tell you!

  2. It's okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    with government subsidies for ethanol production, farmers won't be growing a whole lot of wheat for much longer.

    1. Re:It's okay by sethawoolley · · Score: 1

      with government subsidies for ethanol production, farmers won't be growing a whole lot of wheat for much longer. My response: industrial hemp
    2. Re:It's okay by Rei · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course hemp comes up! Hemp does everything! With it, you can make rope, clothes, food, furnature, computer chips, gold, planets, the One Ring, you name it, hemp can do it!

      Q: I've heard hemp mills are awfully loud.
      A: They run as quiet as a cloud.

      Q: What if, perchance, hemp plastics should bend?
      A: Not on your life, my stoner friend.

      Q: What about us doped-up slobs?
      A: You'll be given cushy jobs!

      Q: The ring came off my pudding can!
      A: Use a hemp one, my good man.

      Q: Were you sent here by the devil?
      A: No, good sir, I'm on the level.

      You see, America, hemp's your only choice. Put down your bongs and raise your voice!

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    3. Re:It's okay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm. That has a familiar ring to it. Where have I heard that before...

      Simpsons?

    4. Re:It's okay by mini+me · · Score: 1

      Corn is practically worthless, still, even with all the ethanol production we have now. Wheat, on the other hand, is worth a fortune right now. If it was as simple as just picking a crop and growing it, you'd be crazy to even touch corn right now. Unfortunately it's not that simple.

    5. Re:It's okay by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

      Hemparail!

      Hemparail!

      Hemparailllllllll!!!!!

      Hempa!-Doh!

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    6. Re:It's okay by cromar · · Score: 1

      Yeah hemp has no fucking use whatsoever. Anyone who thinks we should be growing it for any of its (supposedly non psychoactive) many uses is obviously smoking drugs all day and taking suppositories of laundry detergent.

    7. Re:It's okay by Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll stop making fun of the "Hemp is a wonder crop" folks as soon as they start advocating for, say, kenaf (a largely superior fiber), or when 95% of the hemp advocacy sites online don't have words like "marijuana" in the URL.

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    8. Re:It's okay by cleatsupkeep · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think its the monorail song - from the Music Man style guy.

      Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth
      Like a genuine,
      Bona fide,
      Electrified,
      Six-car
      Monorail!
      What'd I say?
      Ned Flanders: Monorail!
      Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
      Patty+Selma: Monorail!
      Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail!
      [crowd chants `Monorail' softly and rhythmically]
      Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...
      Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.
      Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
      Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
      Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?
      Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs.
      Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?
      Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.
      Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.
      Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man.
      I swear it's Springfield's only choice...
      Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
      All: Monorail!
      Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
      All: Monorail!
      Lyle Lanley: Once again...
      All: Monorail!
      Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
      Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
      All: Monorail!
      Monorail!
      Monorail!
      [big finish]
      Monorail!
      Homer: Mono... D'oh!

    9. Re:It's okay by cromar · · Score: 1

      Kenaf certainly has it's uses. So does hemp. Look here, for example. Marijuana consumption should be legalized, too.

    10. Re:It's okay by kesuki · · Score: 1

      splice in the thc making dna into kenaf and they'll start promoting kenaf too they are after all Related plants... and hemp is widely used already in china, while kenaf is just starting to be really looked at...

      it would be more useful to know what effects kenaf has on the hydrosphere, compared to 'trees' and if parts of the kenaf plant can be burned to produce the paper, the way the bark is burned to produce paper from wood..

      they say kenaf uses little water, and grows fast, but that doesn't give specifics on long term effects on the hydrosphere of using kenaf instead of trees... many crops ruin the hydrosphere, causing water to run off, and evaporating little rainfall back into the atmosphere..

      kenaf looks almost as tall as a sapling tree, so perhaps it's an eco-friendly crop, but it would be better to have hard science than speculation. well it does use 'safer' bleaching agents than wood, and having less potable water, is better than polluted water. very interesting, most paper mills can be converted to kenaf, and makes 'superior news print' because it's whiter than paper, i wonder how well it recycles.. another troubling thing people forget to mention.

      ah well, it uses about 1/10th the land paper production needs, and we can always use trees for something else. like bio-renewable energy

    11. Re:It's okay by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You get my point, though, don't you? The overwhelming majority of those touting hemp *virtually never* tout any other great fibers. Their sole reason they are concerned with hemp is made obvious by the sites where you see the advocacy, everywhere from "stopthedrugwar.org" to "nirvana-shop.co.uk" to "drugwarfacts.org" to "druglibrary.org" and so on. These people aren't into hemp because they've long had some sort of affection for quality fibers. Their sole interest is to try and show that the government went overboard with the drug war as part of a move to try and get the drug war repealed.

      Hemp is not some magical crop. It has many uses, but they're often way overstated, and other crops, like kenaf, are superior in most respects. It's just another crop, one that could be useful, but has unfortunately gotten caught up in politics. Yet every time the topic comes up, you get these druggies who treat it like it's the Second Coming of Christ, and then act all taken aback when you point out that it's not exactly the best choice in most applications. Even some very common products today are superior than their hemp equivalents -- for example, plain 'old manila rope, made from a type of banana leaf. Just as strong, but doesn't rot nearly as easily as hemp rope does (hemp rope is particularly insidious when it comes to rot, as it tends to rot from the inside out and wick water along so that the whole rope can rot). Or take the other "miracle" thing often mentioned, hemp oil. Yes, it also has many uses. It's also not a very thermally stable oil, and is somewhat prone to going rancid.

      Can you see how one can get sick of the politics-driven promotion of hemp as a cure-all?

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    12. Re:It's okay by cromar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah I get your point :) Hemp oil is a very nutritious [PDF] oil, though. It has all the essential amino acids and so is a complete protein - great for vegetarians like moi. 30% of the RDA of Vitamin E in a table spoon, plus it's low in saturated fat and high in "good" fats/Omega-3,6,9. It has other benefits as well (no, nothing psychotropic). It lasts 2-3 months refrigerated. (Much longer than say walnut oil, but not as long as vegetable oil.) Plus, oils with a low burning point have many uses, such as gently sautéing vegetables or fish, and in salad dressing. Obviously you wouldn't want to deep fry with it or extra virgin olive oil, but I for one am glad there are so many different flavors and uses of the diverse oils we have. I really wish hemp oil was cheaper though - it's a great way to add more nutrition to your diet (i.e. legalize ganja already dammit).

    13. Re:It's okay by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Can you see how one can get sick of the politics-driven promotion of hemp as a cure-all?

      I'm curious: Are you sick of the tactics that you think are being used or are you sick of the attempts to advocate against the War on Drugs? Both? Neither?

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    14. Re:It's okay by Rei · · Score: 1

      I meant exactly what I said -- no hidden meaning. I'm sick of the politics-driven promotion of hemp as a cure-all. Which would be Option #1 in your question. For the record, I oppose the drug war.

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    15. Re:It's okay by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      I'm sick of the politics-driven promotion of hemp as a cure-all

      I honestly don't know enough about hemp to know if it's truly as useful as it's proponents claim. The little bit I have read suggests that it would be more useful for soil replenishment than anything else and that some of the industrial uses may be better met with other products. Regardless of it's merits though, I think that it's pretty stupid to outlaw/regulate it. Even if you agree with a policy of marijuana prohibition, why should a potentially useful product suffer as a result? Especially when most industrial strains have little to no psychoactive potential. Especially when most of the rest of the world is using it and a marketplace exists for it -- a marketplace that we've decided to exclude ourselves from.

      FWIW, I also don't think the pro-legalization crowd is solely at fault here. They might be exaggerating their claims of how useful hemp could be but consider the propaganda put out in support of the War on Drugs. Claims like marijuana "supports terrorism" are a lot more harmful to constructive dialog than anything I've heard come out of the pro-legalization and/or pro-hemp crowd.

      For the record, I oppose the drug war.

      I'm honestly not sure how I feel about prohibition of hard drugs. I do think prohibition of marijuana is a foolish policy though. It's a plant that makes you lazy and dumb. It's clearly less harmful than tobacco and likely (all things considered) less harmful than alcohol. The worst thing you can say about marijuana is that it saps your motivation. Not a good thing (especially if badly abused) but hardly something worth shredding our civil liberties over.

      Legalize it and treat it the same as alcohol. If individuals abuse it than let them suffer the consequences at work or in school -- the same as happens if people abuse alcohol.

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  3. Why Yes, We Have Some Resistant Hybrids Right Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Monsanto will be happy to sell them to you, it won't cost much at all, really...

  4. Boom! by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    The question isn't whether we need to send John Madden in with some Boom! Fast Actin' Tinactin!, but can we eat this new fungus?

    Some fungi are delicious.

    1. Re:Boom! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 1
      but can we eat this new fungus?

      Only for recreational purposes.

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    2. Re:Boom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but can we eat this new fungus? Only for recreational purposes. Great! - Let's *RECREATE* !!![1111(0,25*4,, etc.)]

      I mean, where are the girls, anyway?
  5. No Blade of Grass...? by $kr1p7_k177y · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. Re:No Blade of Grass...? by BenBoy · · Score: 0
      The perfect antidote to this sf classic: Ward Moore's "Greener Than You Think"

      And just the thing for these beasties

    2. Re:No Blade of Grass...? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Thank you, that's what I came in to comment about. Everyone I shared that book with thought it was horrifying and bloodthirsty... ...but good, and plausible, which made it even worse.

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  6. panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i'm so sick of being told of what i need to be afraid of. no wonder the world is full of pill popping zombies, i just wish these people would fuck off with their end of the world nonesense.

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    1. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Think about it. Right now, one of the major breadbaskets of the Unites States, the Palouse region, is in perfect shape weather-wise for a bumper crop of wheat this year. We do not exactly have a shortage. But overseas they might... AND the dollar is low...

      Sound to me like U.S. wheat farmers are going to clean up this year.

      Just send everything one way, okay, guys? We don't want that fungus over here!



      But since the apocalyptic scenario has been brought up: what a great illustration of the fact that we have WAY too much of our food crops being grown as huge tracts of monoculture, often all the same crop and all the same species. What a great target for famine-causing organisms.

    2. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by ArcherB · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      i'm so sick of being told of what i need to be afraid of. no wonder the world is full of pill popping zombies, i just wish these people would fuck off with their end of the world nonesense. Well, you are doomed either way.
      1) Either this fungus will destroy all wheat because the anti-GM-Foods hippies will demand that it's better to let people starve than to let them eat GM-foods.
      2) We tell those hippies to wank it and use the GM wheat that is immune to this fungus only to have it kill everyone right as we realize that cyanide is what was making it immune.

      You can't win. It really doesn't matter as the shrinking Ozone layer... I mean Global Warming will kill us all anyway.

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    3. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 5, Interesting
      what a great illustration of the fact that we have WAY too much of our food crops being grown as huge tracts of monoculture, often all the same crop and all the same species. What a great target for famine-causing organisms.

      While I generally agree with your sentiment, I was surprised to read (in this article) that:

      Black stem rust itself is nothing new. It has been a major blight on heat production since the rise of agriculture, and the Romans even prayed to a stem rust god, Robigus. It can reduce a field of ripening grain to a dead, tangled mass, and vast outbreaks egularly used to rip through wheat regions. The last to hit the North American breadbasket, in 1954, wiped out 40 per cent of the crop. In the cold war both the US and the Soviet Union stockpiled stem rust spores as a biological weapon.
      So... rust fungus has been less of a problem in recent years, when we've been less diverse. Quite interesting.

      (oh, and I now have a new favorite God - Robigus.)
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    4. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by owenc67202 · · Score: 5, Informative

      > Sound to me like U.S. wheat farmers are going to clean up this year. Actually most US wheat farmers sold their crop for this year long ago. That's one of the reasons wheat prices are already through the roof. Most of the sales out there are people fighting over the small amount of wheat that is still available. Farmers saw $7 wheat prices and sold as fast as they could. Never did they imagine that wheat would go over $10.

    5. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by odoketa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      According to the NPR interview I heard with some science-type person on this, the monoculture we've bred was resistant to rust, so you would expect to see numbers going down... until a version of the fungus able to overcome that resistance comes along. Which is what has happened here.

      I just finished a book on phylloxera, and I find it interesting to see some of the parallels. Apparently 100 years is not enough time to learn from mistakes....

    6. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by sacrilicious · · Score: 1
      i'm so sick of being told of what i need to be afraid of. no wonder the world is full of pill popping zombies, i just wish these people would fuck off with their end of the world nonesense.

      Crap, now I'm afraid of pill-popping zombies...

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    7. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They just might mind if everyone else - rather suddenly - had to become 'gluten-free' as well.

    8. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Harvests here in Australia (one of the largest exporters) have been down by as much as 60% in recent years due to the extended drought in the SE of the country. IIRC there has only been one or two relatively good harvests in the past decade.

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    9. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by sir+fer · · Score: 0

      I agree.

      And surely this fungus has been in existence for a while before we discovered it and would have wiped out crops by now at least.

      I have a feeling it's some bio-war project as one may notice that many of these new strains of this and that tend to originate in africa

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    10. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by number1scatterbrain · · Score: 1

      Excellent point about the need for biodiversity.

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    11. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 4, Funny
      Apparently 100 years is not enough time to learn from mistakes...

      100 years is too long. Hardly anyone lives that long, and nobody has time to read about all that has gone on before, and even if they did, they wouldn't be doing anything, they'd be reading about it. Nobody listens to people who just read about stuff, they're just a bunch of nerds.

      You need good old politics to get stuff done. We'll ignore the wheat blight and grow corn to burn in our cars, and when the wheat crop fails, maybe we'll remember we can eat corn instead!

      Then politicians can take credit for staving off the famine by encouraging corn farmers.

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    12. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      Crap, now I'm afraid of pill-popping zombies...
      I can see it now: "We want our Qualudes - and brains!"
    13. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Geak · · Score: 0

      My only questions is whether this fungus has similar properties to a certain fungus that grows on rye grain - ergot fungus, an important ingredient in the manufacturing of LSD. Perhaps this has something to do with the poor quality control of everything we import from china.

      Chinese Factory Worker: What's this RavMonE.exe file? Whoa - look at the colors on this ipod man - far out!

      Supervisor: You just installed a virus on the ipod. Ship it anyway. I don't feel like filling out the paperwork. If Apple tries to sue us after the recall, our government will just ignore it. This will never see a courtroom. The West will be screwed with another virus, we'll get contracts with antivirus vendors to press their CD's, package them and ship them. Meanwhile we'll leak free copies to every pirate in the country, so they don't get infected, and when they sue, our government will just ignore it... and the cycle starts again.

      When will North American companies start wising up to this?

    14. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      I just finished a book on phylloxera, and I find it interesting to see some of the parallels. Apparently 100 years is not enough time to learn from mistakes.... Good book? Care to recommend (or not)?
    15. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by timmarhy · · Score: 1

      i'm from wheat country, and let me assure you most of that stems from farmers wanting government assistance. here we had farmers on both drought AND flood assistance. figure that one out.

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    16. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      What? You're from wheat country?

      in what country? .au?
      can you clarify that?

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    17. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Kamokazi · · Score: 1

      So can we start charging $100 a bushel like they charge us $100 a barrel?

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    18. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by TapeCutter · · Score: 0

      Hi timmarthy, I imagine the penis on your forehead started tingling when you posted that gem.

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    19. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When will North American companies start wising up to this?
      When we retool our manufacturing base here in America, using illegal Mexican immigrant labor in newly rebuilt factories. Then, we shall stab back at the heart of China, flooding their markets with $2 "El Nikes".

      En China comunista, desgaste de los zapatos tú!
    20. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by odoketa · · Score: 2, Informative

      The book was:

      The Botanist and the Vintner: How Wine Was Saved for the World

      It was pretty good, a sort of murder mystery for grapevines. Lots of people in denial, until it's too late. A few scientists trying to figure out what's going on, and then formulate a response.

      It didn't change my life, but I'm a pretty big wine geek, and it was interesting from that perspective. Also from the perspective of the political situation in France in the latter half of the 1800s.

    21. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the NPR interview I heard with some science-type person on this, the monoculture we've bred was resistant to rust, so you would expect to see numbers going down... until a version of the fungus able to overcome that resistance comes along. Which is what has happened here. So what happens next is that we make a wheat that's resistant to this new fungus version. No worries.
    22. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by aethera · · Score: 2

      Actually, today is a pretty appropriate day to talk about crop failures. I seem to remember a certain society that was plagued by repeated wheat crop failures and so switched to potatoes as a source of starch. I don't think that worked out too well for them either, however.

    23. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Deagol · · Score: 4, Informative
      The wheat (and other non corn farmers) are going to clean up for the next few years, until market forces tilt the scales back to a more normal situation.

      Firstly, the US national "wheat stores" (the supply of wheat the country has on-hand at any given time) is at its near lowest point since records began. I'll be damned if I can find the official source now, but I actually browsed a quarterly report from whatever organization that tracks this (USDA perhaps) and read this a few months back. This food storage site (and blog) has been aware of the trends for a while, as his prices have gone through the roof.

      On the anecdotal side: 1) Having livestock, I've witnessed the prices of non-corn 50-pound feeds nearly double in the past 6 months -- all were about $7/bag, and last time I bought them, wheat, oats, & barley were $15. Corn even went from about $7 to $9 over the same time; 2) The prices of food-grade wheat have gone from about $10/bag to over $20 (witnessed both on the Wheat Montanna site and a local Macey's store, which sells 50-pound bags of Walton Feed wheat; 3) While recently at a wine store, I witnessed a farmer talking about converting over to hops, because hop crops are being converted to corn for the ethanol subsidies.

      This, of course, is also a general trend of the prices of food (and everything else) going up to reflect higher fuel costs. We normally buy whole wheat and grind it fresh -- it's much healthier, and is normally much chepaer. Howeverm due to large mills buying advanced contracts at a set price, the prices of wheat flour haven't caught up with that of whole wheat yet. Right now, it's cheaper to buy 2 25-pound bags of flour than it is to buy a 50-pound sack of whole wheat berries, which is the first time I've witnessed this imbalance in the 10 years my family has been buying whole wheat. (These are typical retail prices -- price club prices may be different.)

      Oh, and I found this post while trying to find my link to US wheat stores numbers. Not proof positive of a coming "crisis", but when the the topic of wheat prices starts popping up on mainstream sites, it's worth taking note of. It's quite conceivable that this year we will see a doubling of prices for all wheat-based staples (flour, bread, pasta, etc.) and products which use wheat products will follow shortly thereafter. Even those of us who don't buy processed, pre-made stuff will be feeling the pinch. I really feel sorry for those who buy Eggo Waffles and frozen garlic bread in a box.

    24. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by lena_10326 · · Score: 1

      But since the apocalyptic scenario has been brought up: what a great illustration of the fact that we have WAY too much of our food crops being grown as huge tracts of monoculture, often all the same crop and all the same species. What a great target for famine-causing organisms.
      And what prevents them from switching crops on 12 months notice? They do it based on market fluctuation. For example, if soy is fetching more profit than wheat, they will switch. I'm not worried about single crop failures. A bigger worry is with general failures with all crops due to soil conditions, such as sterilization, overuse, erosion, or pollution.

      Also, what else could we grow? USA and Canada are not rain-forest nations that can grow a wide variety of tropical plants. We are limited to specific crops by our seasons. Although growing a plant that thrives in a tropical climate in Kansas is possible, the effort and energy required to do so on a massive scale would yield negative returns. It's not an accident that corn, wheat, potatoes, and soy are stables in USA. It's due to our climate and what crops are optimal for it.

      And lastly. We don't grow 1 species of wheat, 1 species of corn, 1 species of potato, etc. We have numerous species. Many are crossbred or engineered. Just because there are trends and certain seeds and plants are hot for the day, doesn't mean we aren't flexible.

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    25. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't talk nonsense. I've been doing work with WA wheatbelt farmers for years on salinity - when it's dry the crops fail due to lack of water, when it's wet they die from salinity instead. Great tracts of WA land are now completely unfarmable, and greater areas still are only suitable for barley.

    26. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's mostly the western world, but particularly the USA which is full of pill-popping zombies.

    27. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by NotZed · · Score: 2, Informative


      It means a region suited to and used for growing wheat. Based mainly on geography and climate. Flat open areas with little rainfall in summer.

      Often, but not always associated with sheep. As in 'wheat and sheep country'. Both do well in similar climates.

      It's really quite simple, and a simple google search shows both in common usage, and even that they aren't just colloquial Australian phrases either.

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    28. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Gideon+Fubar · · Score: 1

      uhh.. thanks. That's entirely not the question i was asking, i'm afraid.. and i would have associated the term 'wheat country' with US slang, rather than Australian, but whatever.. it's not like i've spent a lot of time in America, so i don't really know how i'd tell the difference...

      Anyway, i assume the OP was just trolling, but i bit anyway.

      I was really wondering because i'm not that far away from where he is (apparently), and when i posted the question yesterday it was 40+ degrees C here.. (so like, 104f for our American friends.. ) which isn't that abnormal.. except that it's autumn now..

      seems like the kind of thing that might mess a crop up, if it were consistent.. you probably already know it has been..

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    29. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "I'm not worried about single crop failures..."

      Historically, it has been monoculture crop failures and not general poor soil that causes famine. Such failure can be due to pests or blights or even soil depletion, but normally the soil depletion can be compensated for with crop rotation. Soil depletion is very seldom a problem in the U.S. these days because of abundant fertilizer and (even better) crop rotation. Most wheat farmers in our region rotate their crops properly.

      "We don't grow 1 species of wheat, 1 species of corn, 1 species of potato, etc. We have numerous species."

      But in one region, we often grow predominantly one or at most a few strains of crop. True enough, on a larger scale we do have a wide variety. But even different strains that are closely related can still succumb to a single pest, as the very rust problem in the other hemisphere right now shows.

    30. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Think about it. Right now, one of the major breadbaskets of the Unites States, the Palouse region, is in perfect shape weather-wise for a bumper crop of wheat this year. We do not exactly have a shortage. But overseas they might... AND the dollar is low...

      Sound to me like U.S. wheat farmers are going to clean up this year.

      Just send everything one way, okay, guys? We don't want that fungus over here!

      It's a fungus that spreads by airborne spores.
      That means really, really small spores. Probably invisible to the human eye, except as a random dust.
      Which makes it a really good target to be a bio-weapon. It's already got a distribution system built in (and tested). It's going to be effectively invisible to surveillance at ports, harbours and airports (you're going to do a full biological assessment of every pair of unwashed smalls in every suitcase people are bringing into the States? It'd be easier to ban the transport of clothes into the country. (The same could be said of the UK, or European countries, but you mentioned the US Dollar as a possible beneficiary.)
      If I was a biologicals attack planner for any anti-American group, particularly those that have an aversion to directly killing people, I'd not have read your post - I'd have gone from the New Scientist article (cited up-thread) a year ago and had my tentacles out and collecting samples. It would be trivial to get some mule to inadvertently carry samples into the US - for example put the spores into a talcum powder mix (inert), then decant it into a (clean, dry, empty) fungicide container; give that to someone who's about to embark on a trip to the States with a warning about how the US are scared of incoming fungi and the mule carrying the infective material into the country is genuinely innocent. The mule is careful to dust the contents of his suitcase regularly because he's doing the 'Right Thing'.

      But since the apocalyptic scenario has been brought up: what a great illustration of the fact that we have WAY too much of our food crops being grown as huge tracts of monoculture, often all the same crop and all the same species. What a great target for famine-causing organisms.

      I agree with the general point. It's not the organism that I'd target for investigation, but my interest in biological warfare was never to cause economic damage. If I were interested, this would be a Heaven-sent opportunity.
      Which begs a question - how many Apocalyptic Xtian sects are there in the US that have already got a ban on eating wheat because "it's the work of the Devil"? ("How many?" is a more sensible question than "Are there any?", given the diversity of home-grown religious nut jobs in America.) Better round them up, now. Using black helicopters.
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    31. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Breez911 · · Score: 1

      Those of us whom have FAITH are not bothered by news of the comming of The End Times. Ending Old's Beginning New! there Is A Better Thing To Do! But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which Cause ordained before the world (was) to man's glory. Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it they would not have crucified the "Lord" of glory. But it is written, Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which :God" hath prepared for them that love him. [I CORINTHIANS 2:7-8-9.] Breez991

    32. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by Corwn+of+Amber · · Score: 1

      Or plant those we already have to produce seeds. 80%? That'"s one strain in five that's reasistant. Just grow them.

      Why is this news? "Big Seed decided that they'll sell seeds that are gonna get killed anyway, just to see people die". Yeah, that's sensible business for you.

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    33. Re:panic merchants seek attention, news a 11 by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      While recently at a wine store, I witnessed a farmer talking about converting over to hops, because hop crops are being converted to corn for the ethanol subsidies.

      Hops have gone through the roof in recent months...check any homebrew-supply website or shop, and you'll find limited availability and prices 2-3x higher than a year ago. For a long time, there was a glut of hops due to too much acreage planted. That (and increased demand for grain for biofuel production) caused most hop farms to switch to other crops. Reduced acreage translates to production that would've been closer to actual demand...if European hop crops hadn't failed like they did in 2007. Now you have craftbrewers and homebrewers alike scrambling to get whatever hops they can.

      I wouldn't be surprised if the hop shortage has some farmers reconsidering the wisdom of having gotten out of growing hops, especially since it'd take two seasons to get them producing again.

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  7. Strangely the brits by Timesprout · · Score: 1, Interesting

    are moaning about wheat production and asia sucking up production capacity at the moment as well. How ironic would it be after all the billions spent on security if we suffer catastrophic population denudation due to the simple fact we can't feed ourselves. Go mother nature, lets have some balance restored.

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    1. Re:Strangely the brits by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

      are moaning about wheat production and asia sucking up production capacity at the moment as well. How ironic would it be after all the billions spent on security if we suffer catastrophic population denudation due to the simple fact we can't feed ourselves. Go mother nature, lets have some balance restored. Really? You are hoping for famine that could cause billions of innocent people to starve just to teach us a lesson? Seriously?

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    2. Re:Strangely the brits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh, since I have more money than you, I will be ok. Enjoy your starvation.

    3. Re:Strangely the brits by Timesprout · · Score: 1

      We 'cant feed' Africa. Suddenly its serious when the west might be facing a food shortage. Whats the loss here if mother nature kills us all.

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    4. Re:Strangely the brits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      not if i hunt you down and skin you.

    5. Re:Strangely the brits by Rei · · Score: 1

      Are you, perchance, part of the peak oil doom cult?

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    6. Re:Strangely the brits by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You do know that, if the US chose to - we could grow enough food to feed every single person on this earth. And provide them all with hundreds of gallons of fresh water every day. And not need a single extra acre of farmland.

      Starvation in Africa is a political - not resource - problem. Starvation ANYWHERE is a political problem. Food is there, it can be grown, it could be delivered. But some tyrants prefer to starve their population...

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    7. Re:Strangely the brits by unbug · · Score: 1

      You do know that, if the US chose to - we could grow enough food to feed every single person on this earth. And provide them all with hundreds of gallons of fresh water every day. And not need a single extra acre of farmland. So if that's true, what does it say about the US or the EU or any other rich country/region? Nothing good, that's for sure.
    8. Re:Strangely the brits by unbug · · Score: 1

      Really? You are hoping for famine that could cause billions of innocent people to starve just to teach us a lesson? Seriously? No, people who want a lesson taught always want it to be taught to someone else. Never to themselves or, by extension, the specific group they belong to.
    9. Re:Strangely the brits by Firrenzi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We have fscked this world over for so long with chemicals, polutants and toxins and we are reaping what we have soon. for the last 200 years we have not lived in balance, consuming too much, not producing enough and not respecting the balance of ecologies and their requirements. Fisheries die out, we plant mono crop setups that rape the ground of it's resources without putting anything back. We live outside of the seasons in our own constructed time, and try to run it our way instead of natural physical laws that peoples have worked with for thousands of years.

      We fsck with biotoxins, dna splicing and nature in general to seek a better breed, but care not for the delicate balance that must be preserved. What diversity of species do we have compared now to 200, 300 years ago?

      The ecosystems can be so complex that we struggle to understand them, yet we do all these things knowingly that we are abusing delicate balances that should not be upset. The saddest things is that 'we know what we do' and continue to do it.

      We have a responsibility as sentient beings to this planet and we are fsking it into the ground. No sadly we reap what we sow. Cause and effect

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    10. Re:Strangely the brits by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      for the last 200 years we have not lived in balance, consuming too much, not producing enough and not respecting the balance of ecologies and their requirements.



      You're giving our earlier ancestors way, way, way too much credit. Ever wonder why the north coast of Africa is a desert and not a palm tree forest ? Ask the Romans.

    11. Re:Strangely the brits by ElBeano · · Score: 2, Funny

      Oh, don't be silly. Growing the food DOES cost money. The parent post said "if we chose to" but it really is a bit more complicated than that. There have been times when we worked with other countries to make sure their populations were well fed, outside of the normal economic system. Google "oil for food" for more.

    12. Re:Strangely the brits by js_sebastian · · Score: 1

      Really? You are hoping for famine that could cause billions of innocent people to starve just to teach us a lesson? Seriously? Reminds me of the Ursula Leguin book. Where the main character has dreams which change reality (retroactively) and his therapist decides to use him to play god.. at one point he "solves" the over-population problem through a plague that killed most of humanity 10 years earlier...
    13. Re:Strangely the brits by ArcherB · · Score: 1

      rape the ground of it's resources without putting anything back You mean like locusts? Hell, for that matter, just about any creature eats what is available and moves on. That's what nature does! Man is the first species to set aside a plot of land for the purpose of growing food. If that land is "raped" to the point of no longer being viable, that farmer goes out of business. So, farmers take care of their land and invest in the soil so that he can make a living next year.

      BTW, that is a new thing that man has come up with. Native Americans were nomads for a reason. They would settle an area until they used up its recourses and moved on to the next area. Only recently (last 600 years or so) have we learned how to replenish a land so we can keep living off it.

      You don't give man enough credit and nature way too much!
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    14. Re:Strangely the brits by amplt1337 · · Score: 1

      Errm... sorry... do you have a magic bottomless barrel of oil that you're holding out on? The rest of us who use it for just about everything would kind of like to know...

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    15. Re:Strangely the brits by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2
      The US - directly from its government and directly from private charities - sends tens of billions of dollars to Africa every year. Africa used to grow tons of food; Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa, being a major exporter of food to the rest of Africa.

      What happened? Dictators and murderers like Mugabe seized power. Farms were stolen from the farmers, and given to political cronies. Aid is taken from the masses and given to the elite.

      The solution? Go in, kill the bastards, and rebuild the country. Of course, the US did that in Iraq and look at the grief received for doing so... And when we decide to do nothing - like in Sudan - we're condemned for sitting on the sidelines.

      So you tell me - what should the EU or US do? What would YOUR solution be? Mine would be pretty radical for most around here, so what would your politically correct solution be, and how would it differ from the current situation other than in magnitude of aid sent and redirected to bastards who have destroyed Africa.

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    16. Re:Strangely the brits by Rei · · Score: 1

      Sure do. Here you go.

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    17. Re:Strangely the brits by djp928 · · Score: 1

      We have fscked this world over...

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    18. Re:Strangely the brits by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Delicate balance? Poppycock. The Earth's biosphere is an extremely robust system that is self-correcting and auto-adaptive across billions of years of huge environmental changes.

      I'd say the only real worry is that man may get overwhelmed by one of these corrections or adaptations.

  8. just eat it by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Funny
    just eat it

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_smut

    Considered a pest in most of the United States, smut feeds off the corn plant and decreases the yield. Usually smut-infected crops are destroyed. However, in Mexico corn smut is called huitlacoche (IPA: [witakote], sometimes spelled cuitlacoche), a Nahuatl word reportedly meaning raven's excrement [1]. It is considered a delicacy, even being preserved and sold for a higher price than corn. For culinary use, the galls are harvested while still immature -- fully mature galls are dry and almost entirely spore-filled. The immature galls, gathered two to three weeks after an ear of corn is infected, still retain moisture and, when cooked, have a flavor described as mushroom-like, sweet, savory, woody, and earthy. Flavor compounds include sotolon and vanillin, as well as the sugar glucose.


    uh... never mind

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergot

    Ergotism is the name for sometimes severe pathological syndromes affecting humans or animals that have ingested ergot alkaloid-containing plant material, such as ergot-contaminated grains. The common name for ergotism is "St. Anthony's fire", in reference to the symptoms, such as severe burning sensations in the limbs.[3] These are caused by effects of ergot alkaloids on the vascular system due to vasoconstriction of blood vessels, sometimes leading to gangrene and loss of limbs due to severely restricted blood circulation. The neurotropic activities of the ergot alkaloids may also cause hallucinations and attendant irrational behaviour, convulsions, and even death.[1][2] Other symptoms include strong uterine contractions, nausea, seizures, and unconsciousness. Historically, controlled doses of ergot were used to induce abortions and to stop maternal bleeding after childbirth. Ergot alkaloids are also used in products such as Cafergot (containing caffeine and ergotamine or ergoline) to treat migraine headaches. Simple ergot extract is no longer used as a pharmaceutical preparation.[citation needed] Monks of the order of St. Anthony the Great specialized in treating ergotism victims with balms containing tranquilizing and circulation-stimulating plant extracts; they were also skilled in amputations.[citation needed]
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    1. Re:just eat it by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 1

      I think I'm going to have to side with Steve (from "Steve, Don't Eat It!") and stay as far away from this "devil poop" as I can.
      Linky thing here: http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/000344.php

  9. Triticale will probably kick it's butt by cyberzephyr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think it's too soon to worry about a rust that only eats wheat. If you look here: www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/afcm/triticale.html You will see that there is a Wheat form that people have been using for a long time and with no problems. They might be complaining that beer production might go down!

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    1. Re:Triticale will probably kick it's butt by whitehatlurker · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean quatrotriticale, my little tribble friend?

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    2. Re:Triticale will probably kick it's butt by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

      It's a Russian inwenshun.

    3. Re:Triticale will probably kick it's butt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Canadian actually, if memory serves.

  10. Strains by esocid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wish the article would have mentioned how related the African and Asian wheat strains were to European and American strains. Since US corn crops are about 85% genetically similar doesn't make the situation in the US good at all. If it does hit the US pretty hard we may be seeing wheat coming from Mexico most likely.

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    1. Re:Strains by CSMatt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Great. Among everything else we now have to worry about illegal wheat crossing the border.

    2. Re:Strains by Fireshadow · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is real scary. According to National Association of Wheat Growers, "The United State would also be highly vulnerable to Ug99, with recent assessments suggesting that more than 50% of hard winter wheat and more than 75% of hard spring wheat acreage are currently planted to varieties that are susceptible to Ug99". (I'd post the reference link, but the filter complained about the length!)
      According to this page , world wheat reserves are the lowest in 25 years. I would not trust trying to buy one's food on the global market anytime soon.

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    3. Re:Strains by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 5, Informative

      My understanding is that the USDA has a plan to combat this fungus. This involves planting highly resistant wheat in the south during the winter while the northern regions get too cold for the fungus to survive. With no place to take hold in the south and a death zone in the north, the fungus should go away. (source)

    4. Re:Strains by longacre · · Score: 1

      Only 85%? Aren't humans and earthworms like 90% similar?

    5. Re:Strains by edwardpickman · · Score: 1

      I say we allow the illegals so long as they are carrying a bag of wheat.

    6. Re:Strains by esocid · · Score: 1

      That may be true, but I think you misunderstood. 90% of humans aren't genetic copies.

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    7. Re:Strains by aethera · · Score: 1

      That article didn't give a whole lot of details, and certainly not nearly as much confidence as you suggested. Though no expert, from what I've read two big problems with this so called Southern Strategy is that a) we haven't yet identified resistant varieties to plant in the South b) Winters just aren't what they used to be, a fungi are fairly cold hardy. In fact, although a week ago I had a foot of snow on the ground, I was walking in short sleeves yesterday and actually swatted a mosquito. I'd say the wheat producing regions of Canada and the far northern US should be safe, but I wouldn't make any bets. As for the comments mentioning alternative grains like amaranth and quinoa, certainly these grains are productive, efficient, maybe even healthier than most traditional wheat varieties, but infrastructure is the hard part. Sort of the same problem we are having with oil. I've grown small patches of amaranth, but man is harvesting and winnowing the stuff difficult. And the grain is tiny, 50% smaller than the head of a pin.

  11. Oh, no! by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's a fungus amongus!

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    1. Re:Oh, no! by esocid · · Score: 1

      Nice use of that incubus album name.

      +1 witty

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    2. Re:Oh, no! by sapphire+wyvern · · Score: 4, Funny

      But is the fungus among us humongous?

    3. Re:Oh, no! by catmistake · · Score: 2, Funny

      ergo, I am seeing things

    4. Re:Oh, no! by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      ergot, I am seeing things Fixed that for you.
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    5. Re:Oh, no! by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Nice use of that incubus album name.

      My dad was saying "at ease, disease! There's a fungus among us!" since I was a little kid, and he learned that in his childhood. That should be: nice use of a common phrase as an album name, Incubus.

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    6. Re:Oh, no! by rubycodez · · Score: 4, Funny

      that's in very spore taste and not fungi at all

  12. This is bad by whitehatlurker · · Score: 4, Informative
    The USDA reports that the virus can infect wheat which has the (previously) most effective rust resistant genes.

    Work is being done to protect crops, but Norman Borlaug says "This thing has immense potential for social and human destruction." Oh yes, and you can say goodbye to cheap white bread.

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    1. Re:This is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe this will mean that people will eat less wheat and become healthier. Maybe it will mean that farmers find other food crops to grow, diversifying our food sources, and making people (and economies) healthier in general.

      Gluten (the thing that makes dough dough) may actually be a genetic adaption to prevent animals from eating it. I know that people don't want to hear this news, but our farm subsidies and reliance on monolithic food crops is not only unhealthy, but unsustainable in the long run.

      This is coming from a bread lover.

  13. Nobody by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Can tell you what to be afraid of, they can only tell you what they are afraid of. Personally, I favour the approach of knowing more about a subject before dismissing it, and I regard this new problem as potentially very significant. However, there is a huge difference between what is possible and what actually happens. H5N1 is a possible threat (and can therefore be prevented before it becomes actual). AIDS is an actual disaster and, no matter what is ever achieved, the best that can be done is preventing that disaster from becoming worse. You can't prevent it from being a tragedy at this point. Global warming - well, it depends on who you talk to. James Lovelock - one of the world's premiere environmental scientists - thinks prevention is now impossible. Others, just as notable, think it is. World wheat collapses? A lot of land has been cleared for beef (and, these days, corn) around the world, well outside the affected areas, so I'm inclined to think that action is still possible... ...but only if it's taken seriously as a possibility. It's when nobody cares that things become a disaster.

    As for the over-medicated culture we live in, that's still about not caring. If people cared, they wouldn't avoid. If they didn't avoid, they wouldn't need over-medicating. Avoiding by apathy or by drugs is the same thing.

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    1. Re:Nobody by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Aids is a joke in historical terms.

      A large portion of the population of africa will be immune to it in under 100 years. And it will still be virulent to the rest of the world -- mostly because the mortality rate in africa has been very high so there is an extreme selective pressure.

      Any population... bacteria... humans... deer... will suffer large losses but the survivors will repopulate at a very high rate.

      The loss of food is probably more dangerous since we might exterminate ourselves fighting over that last slice of toast.

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    2. Re:Nobody by FrostedChaos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you look at the example of malaria, sleeping sickness, and yellow fever-- all of which are scourges in Africa-- I think you'll see that 100 years is far too short for humans to evolve a way around AIDS. Anyway, up until scientific medicine came on the scene, cholera, smallpox, and whooping cough routinely decimated Europe. So it's not even clear that people would become immune naturally, even in thousands of years.

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    3. Re:Nobody by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      Anyway, up until scientific medicine came on the scene, cholera, smallpox, and whooping cough routinely decimated Europe. So it's not even clear that people would become immune naturally
      Well clearly somebody had at least a partial immunity to those diseases, or I wouldn't be here.
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    4. Re:Nobody by raddan · · Score: 1

      If I recall correctly, from reading 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus, one hypothesis as to why Native American populations had such low disease resistance to common European diseases such as smallpox, measles, tuberculosis, etc, was that almost all Native Americans shared the same haplogroup. Thus, genetic diversity was fairly low. Additionally, the author said that their immune systems were optimized to resist parasitic infections rather than bacteriological/viral infections (I am not a biologist, so take my interpretation with a grain of salt). The author speculates that the reason Europeans had these defenses were precisely because their populations were routinely devastated by disease. So your comment is spot-on-- most of the people living in the world today have some kind of resistance to these diseases. That said, I'm glad that the WHO essentially eradicated smallpox, so I have much to thank science for as well.

    5. Re:Nobody by jd · · Score: 1
      Well, for smallpox, those milking cows or drinking unpasteurised milk would have been exposed to cowpox, which is similar enough that it provides a level of immunity. Indeed, it is by observing this that vaccinations were invented. However, the entire world isn't descended from milkmaids or lactose-tolerent individuals. Rather, smallpox is a survivable disease. Not all who catch it die, although survival rates aren't high. It is also a relatively fast-acting disease. Couple that with primitive isolation techniques, pockets of the disease will rapidly burn out. All told, there was enough low-level exposure to confer limited resistance to the general population, which is why smallpox - when taken to isolated comunities around the world - was so devastating.

      The other diseases have similar backgrounds. Lots of low-level exposure, a non-zero survival rate, similar diseases which could assist in resistance being built up, etc. HIV belongs to a category of disease for which none of these apply. Even deactivating the virus has proved useless - it somehow manages to reactivate itself.

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    6. Re:Nobody by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      All diseases have non-zero survival rate. It's just a question of time.

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  14. We'll be fine by CSMatt · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile, national governments in the path of the fungus are telling folks that there is nothing to worry about. You heard them. Move along people, nothing to see here.
    1. Re:We'll be fine by SEWilco · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't worry. The UN will publish a strongly worded resolution telling the fungus to stop. If that doesn't work they'll send a wheat-keeping force.

  15. Nothing to see here.. by Renraku · · Score: 1

    Hey, since when does a loaf of bread cost $15? Or a pack of ramen cost $4.99?

    or..

    "This is the FBI. You're under arrest for posessing ergot or ergot-derived chemicals!"

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    1. Re:Nothing to see here.. by SleptThroughClass · · Score: 1

      Hey, since when does a loaf of bread cost $15? Or a pack of ramen cost $4.99?
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  16. cheap white bread is bad by r00t · · Score: 3, Informative

    Eat your vegetables. Seriously.

    1. Re:cheap white bread is bad by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Get back to your hackeysack, hippie!

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  17. This is so awesome!!! by jdb2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have been waiting for this day since I was diagnosed with C(o)eliac Disease
    Now everyone has to use rice flour! ;) (well, it feeds half the world anyway)

    jdb2

    1. Re:This is so awesome!!! by Software · · Score: 1

      Which were you waiting for - the possibility of famine or the steep increase in price of food that you eat? Maybe both?

    2. Re:This is so awesome!!! by mini+me · · Score: 1

      You must be either a rice farmer or exceedingly wealthy. Converting the demand for wheat into rice would send the price of rice through the roof.

    3. Re:This is so awesome!!! by maglor_83 · · Score: 1

      So its a good thing that the price of your rice flour is going to double?

    4. Re:This is so awesome!!! by jdb2 · · Score: 1

      Obviously both of you dolts can't take a joke,( well my humor sucks ) and apparently can't take
      the time to click on a link. As for the "possibility of famine" whenever was wheat a basic
      foodstuff, in terms of global consumption? Also, about the price of rice going up, there's this
      mythical land I've heard of called "Asia" which contains half of the world's population. Guess
      what the basis of their diet is? Rice. I'm sure a Vietnamese rice farmer will have a REAL problem,
      given that they're producing just a fraction of the rice they could and they only sell enough to
      barely live off. Increase in rice demand would greatly help the multitudinous poor in Asia.
      Also, you apparently fail to understand, that in terms of "grains" or "flours", their exists a
      myriad of replacements for wheat, which can be combined together to produce an infinite variety of
      food. Rice was just an example. There are hundreds of "grains" a lot of which
      contain much more nutritional content than wheat and can be grown in a variety of climes.
      Take for example Teff which is a staple of Ethiopia. It can be grown
      in a variety of environments and is MUCH more nutritious than wheat.
      ( it seems Africa won't have any problems ) Wheat is a European luxury.
      It's loss would have a negligible effect on the human race.

      jdb2

    5. Re:This is so awesome!!! by Mryll · · Score: 1

      I'm glad your disease was diagnosed. I received my diagnosis about two weeks ago. I'm stunned at how much affect that bloody wheat had on my life, and also at the ubiquity of gluten-containing ingredients in processed foods that would seemingly not need to contain grain.

      Oh well, yea potatoes. :) Perhaps this might result in availability of a few more processed foods that don't contain gluten.

  18. One wheat, easy target. by Cr0vv · · Score: 0

    It's no wonder that this rust infection is spreading, it's supposed to. Usually only ONE strain of wheat is grown. I think this is because the herbicide industry lobbying the governments so they can make a great deal of money at the expense of the people. We all know how is supposed to be grown: Plant different types of wheat and grain so that they can evolve and develop resistance against disease. Simple. Cr0vv.

  19. Faithy Governments by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1

    Why shouldn't governments run on the basis of faith lie when the truth is too much to bear?

    And I'm not just talking theocracies. What else would we expect to hear in the US, except yet another chorus after the catastrophe hits saying "No one could have anticipated [this catastrophe people had warned would happen would happen]"?

    Anyone else remember Katrina, 9/11/2001, the mortgage collapse, Iraq?

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    1. Re:Faithy Governments by Nimey · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have it on good authority that we could have avoided all of those if we, as a nation, would turn back to God and expel those nasty gays, pagans, and so forth.

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      E pluribus sanguinem
    2. Re:Faithy Governments by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 1
      And then Mammon could finally rule, unimpeded by those terrorists who'd say

      Damn you rich! You already have your compensation.
      Damn you who are well-fed!You will know hunger.
      Damn you who laugh now! You will weep and grieve.
      Damn you when everybody speaks well of you!
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  20. disgusting public showers by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 0

    This all started because of one farmer who showered without flip flops in one of those disgusting public showers and then walked barefoot with his fungus-infected feet in the fields.

  21. The new "Cash Crop" or $$$$$$ Crop by failedlogic · · Score: 1

    There's a lot of money to be made in genetically modifying crops wether to make them resistant to drought, fungus, insects, increase yields, etc.

    Governments -not private industry- should join together and create a solution wether it is to truly isolate the crops (e.g. Mad Cow) which is really hard with wind and insects. The better solution would be to do joint research in combating the fungus and/or creating a genetic modification.

    The last thing we need is for private companies to be the first to create a "solution". We've already seen what companies like Mosanto has done in Canada by winning its case as I recall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc._v._Schmeiser).

    Prices of wheat have already risen this year as farmers are growing corn for ethanol so at least in North America we really need to protect our existing crops in an economic way. I'd really hate to see wheat being imported from China. Governments (hopefully) won't patent a genetic modification whereas if a private company is involved - who knows what the price of wheat will cost in the future!

    1. Re:The new "Cash Crop" or $$$$$$ Crop by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      There's a lot of money to be made in genetically modifying crops wether to make them resistant to drought, fungus, insects, increase yields, etc.



      The most money is to be made in genetically modifying crops to be highly tolerant to the herbi-/fungi-/insecticide made by your company. Bonus points (money) for making any seeds of this strain unable to germinate. (You mention the one company that does this in your posting, why don't you mention what exactly these guys do ?)


      (And, sorry, but "resistant to drought" ? Plants need water just like any other higher life form on this planet. All the genetic engineering in the world won't magically make your plants grow without water.)

    2. Re:The new "Cash Crop" or $$$$$$ Crop by mini+me · · Score: 1

      Prices of wheat have already risen this year as farmers are growing corn for ethanol

      I'm a farmer in North America and I'm not seeing that. This year, every other field is in wheat and the large majority of the rest will be going into beans in this area. There will still be corn grown, of course, as part of the crop rotation cycle and not putting all your eggs in one basket reasons. Unless things change by May, nobody is going out of their way to grow more corn than they have to, it's simply not worth enough.
  22. You have... by Bored+MPA · · Score: 1

    You have one serious foot fetish.

  23. Pellegrino /Dust/ by Olaf+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This reminds me of the novel /Dust/ by Charles Pellegrino. See
    http://www.sfsite.com/05b/dust33.htm for a pretty good review.
    ISBN-10: 0380787423
    ISBN-13: 978-0380787425
    http://www.amazon.com/Dust-Charles-R-Pellegrino/dp/0380787423/

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  24. Immunity is fiction. by jd · · Score: 5, Informative

    There is no resistance to it. Not a single person has survived exposure to the virus. The few supposed exceptions turned out not to be. The body cannot adjust to it. HIV is a polymorphic virus that mutates almost every replication. There is no evolutionary pressure to be resistant to it, because there is no survival rate. Same as there's no build-up in antibiotic-resistant bacteria when medication is taken correctly and appropriately. Resistant people in Africa or anywhere else is a nice fiction but should be left in Neuromancer.

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    1. Re:Immunity is fiction. by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      That article is over 10 years old....

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    2. Re:Immunity is fiction. by Urkki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if AIDS itself were 100% lethal, there's still difference between being HIV positive and developing AIDS. There definitely is evolutionary pressure for supressing AIDS as long as possibe in HIV positive humans. The longer am HIV positive person stays "just infected", the more they can breed, and also the more they can spread the virus. So actually there is a two-way pressure both on humans and on HI virus to develop so that actual AIDS never starts. So there is an evolutionary pressure for evolving AIDS resistance and immunity.

      And then of course there is pressure for being immune to HIV itself. Wether it has developed in any human yet or not, that's unknown I guess, but if it does (by random mutation) happend, then definitely it's an evolutionary advantage and is likely to spread over generations.

    3. Re:Immunity is fiction. by PMBjornerud · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The few supposed exceptions turned out not to be. The body cannot adjust to it. HIV is a polymorphic virus that mutates almost every replication. There is no evolutionary pressure to be resistant to it, because there is no survival rate. Which "exceptions that turned out not to be" are these? I'd appreciate some links to read more about this.

      The latest information I had, was that there were some connection between the bubonic plague (Black Death) and AIDS resistance:
      http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2005/01/66198 :

      An estimated 1 percent of people descended from Northern Europeans are virtually immune to AIDS infection, with Swedes the most likely to be protected.
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    4. Re:Immunity is fiction. by zolaar · · Score: 1

      with Swedes the most likely to be protected
      Oh thank you jesus. thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou!
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      One man's constant is another man's variable.
    5. Re:Immunity is fiction. by mrfunnypants · · Score: 1

      Interestingly it does appear that some people do have a resistance to HIV, in fact they have an antibody which is expressed and currently being used by researchers as a possible treatment for AIDS. I pulled this from the article below: "The second discovery is that an antibody exists that can signal immune destruction of the virus. The antibody, 2G12, protects people who have it against HIV progression..."

      http://www.biotechmashup.com/2008/02/28/stop-hiv-before-it-starts/

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    6. Re:Immunity is fiction. by Another_Biologist · · Score: 1

      Interesting fact: There is more 'Fossil' retrovirus DNA in our genome than Protein Coding DNA http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/12/03/071203fa_fact_specter. Retrovirus infection is nothing new to metazoans, and the typical cycle of integration is infection, spread, mutual tolerance, and eventually conversion to transposable elements. There is strong evolutionary pressure on HIV to follow this pattern, if for no other reason than a healthy carrier spreads the virus faster than a sick one.

    7. Re:Immunity is fiction. by yellowalienbaby · · Score: 1

      Planets come and go, but killer edible arts graduates are forever. Commander Jameson never said that... Right On!

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    8. Re:Immunity is fiction. by clayski · · Score: 1

      Your statement is false. Please keep your misinformed opinions to yourself.

    9. Re:Immunity is fiction. by jd · · Score: 1

      Heh! The first viral Elite-player-detector Sig functions wonderfully... :)

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      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
  25. The world has a way of taking care of itself by erroneus · · Score: 1

    Gotta love it. Monsanto to the rescue!!!

    Actually, I hope they don't. One of the worst foods we humans have gotten hooked on has been processed wheat...and that's just about the only way we can buy it. In any case, there are plenty of substitutes... some things just as bad... a few are actually worse.

  26. cyberpunk 2013 rpg profecy by drfrog · · Score: 1

    there was a point in the cyberpunk timeline that said most of the north american wheat crops were devastated by an unknown virus of some sort

    wish i could find an online copy of the timeline...

    still always trips me out when science fiction predicts//feeds wordward to these sort of things

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    1. Re:cyberpunk 2013 rpg profecy by bughunter · · Score: 1
      Aye, this is stuff of SF-turned-reality.

      In 1980, Steve Jackson's Car Wars background history includes a grain blight which devastates the world's nations and economy, plunging most of the US into anarchy. The year? 2012. His timing may be dead on.

      [ObPlug: I still play old-school Car Wars PBEM at MadHat. Drive Offensively!]

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  27. Amaranth by bitspotter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I hear buzz growing about amaranth as a grain contender. Better protein, restores soil nutrients, etc.

    1. Re:Amaranth by Frozen+Void · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would choose quinoa instead.

  28. 1999 = new discovered? by Marbleless · · Score: 1

    Wow, I know /. can be a little slow with news articles but this adds a whole new meaning to 'old news' ;)

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  29. I used to be paranoid by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

    But now it doesn't seem implausible to me that this could be some Monsanto creation designed to sell their soon-to-be-announced new fungus-resistant wheat.

  30. You're such a... by greatscottsby · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fungi!! (Fun-guy)!!

    1. Re:You're such a... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Actually, she's quite fun-gal.

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      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
  31. Too bad! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    That's one of the inherent evils of the commodity markets: "counting your chickens before they hatch".

    1. Re:Too bad! by skoaldipper · · Score: 1

      ...or, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush!

      I happen to be a Bear trader. Our day will soon be upon you! muahaha...

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      I hope, when they die, cartoon characters have to answer for their sins.
  32. At least we'll still have corn by longacre · · Score: 1

    Oh right, the bees that pollinate corn are dying, too. What's plan C?

    1. Re:At least we'll still have corn by the+plant+doctor · · Score: 1

      Bees pollinate corn? What kind of corn are you talking about? Seriously, how is this modded up?

    2. Re:At least we'll still have corn by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Plan C is to plant a wind pollinated grain, like corn.

  33. I wonder... what has become of by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

    I wonder... what has become of
    - Africanized Bees
    - The bird flu
    - Anthrax
    - Foot-and-mouth disease
    - deadly, mutated flu from asia
    - the banana fungus that will kill all banana supply
    - deadly escalators
    - that truck full of explosives on his way to germany
    - shark attacks in holiday paradises
    - streets running red with blood
    - weapons of mass destruction

    I am so sick of being told, what will kill me within the next 2 months!
    Every year in summer there is another deadly threat approaching...
    I can't hear it anymore!

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    The MAFIAA is a bunch of mindless jerks who will be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes
    1. Re:I wonder... what has become of by WindBourne · · Score: 1
      Hmmm. Lets see.
      • Africanized Bees. Moving slowly northwards. Currently, these are very serious problem in Arizona, Nevada, CA, and Texas.
      • The bird flu. Another big issue. This one IS coming. The good news is that CDC may have developed a way to stop all flu. But make no mistake about it. It is very active in Asia, and it is just a matter of time before this takes off.
      • Anthrax. So far, just a scare.
      • Foot-and-mouth disease. It was never mentioned as being a monster issue. Just outbreaks that need to be taken care of.
      • deadly, mutated flu from asia. I think you mean the bird flu above.
      • the banana fungus that will kill all banana supply. Hmmm.
      • deadly escalators???
      • that truck full of explosives on his way to germany. It joined all the others.
      • shark attacks in holiday paradises. Been happening forever.
      • streets running red with blood. Go to Iraq.
      • weapons of mass destruction. All still here and growing.
      Look, if you can not hear it anymore, then do not visit news sites. That would include sites like /.. It is probably because of ppl hearing about all this, that solutions are developed. For example, Bird Flu IS a problem in Asia. But it is most likly because of CDC's recent work that it will never come to be a major problem. Of course, the vaccine could have an interesting side effect; it is designed to stop ALL flu. Flu is the number killer of man. It takes the very youngest, the old, and the sick. Basically, it will be interesting to see how we handle lowering our death rate all over the world by such a large amount. Of course, that assumes that it is for real, and that remains to be seen.
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    2. Re:I wonder... what has become of by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      With the shark thing, the sharks have been there forever. But, the water used to be clear and other fish were there. Now with the water not being so clean the plant life and fish have left. The sharks have not left yet. People are not the staple of a shark's diet. We can be food for them, but we are not the shark's first choice.

    3. Re:I wonder... what has become of by bughunter · · Score: 1
      Don't forget:

      - Pedophiles lurking online to rape your children the moment you look away

      - Hot tub drains that will suck your intestines out your bum

      - Terrorists exploding LNG and chemical storage facilities

      - McDonald's super-sized meals

      - The face-eating Slashdot tro... [no carrier]

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  34. You're thinking in terms of EVIL by Calledor · · Score: 1

    Which is a mistake because not even evil people think of themselves as such. You're right in that there is absolutely no reason that anyone in the world should be thirsty, hungry, or suffering from just about anything we have forgotten about as a life threatening illness in America. It's money though. The driving need to have something extra, to raising yourself that much further above your fellow man, is the only reason people are dying of the things you bemoan.

    So what then is the moral, the wisdom from this fact? World of Warcraft imitates life. The richest people, and the people who make the game suck for the rest of us, are the assholes that have nothing better to do than to get more money and beat us down with their god damn twink corporations. Fuck the twinks.

  35. Red Dawn by scubamage · · Score: 1

    Um, isn't this more or less how the movie Red Dawn began?

  36. why... by serbanp · · Score: 1

    do I have the unnerving feeling that RoundUp-ready wheat is resistant to this fungus?

    1. Re:why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you know that Monsanto if a good and trustworthy company.

  37. Not even close to true by WindBourne · · Score: 2, Insightful
    that use to be true, Back in the late 50's. We were the wealthiest nation on the earth, and more important, the earth's population was sustainable (2 billion). Not anymore.

    Now
    1. population is at 6 billion and growing fast.
    2. pollution levels are enormous; china is well beyond what the entire world had in the 50's.
    3. the strain on FRESH CLEAN water is well beyond our abilities to handle it (and about to get worse due to GW).
    No, we are LONG past the time when America COULD have handled things. As to tyrants "prefering" to starve their pop, that is not even close. I seriously doubt that anybody CHOOSES to starve their population. They are just incompetent idiots who are being backed by either EU, America or China and kept in power because of that (and yes, various countries EU still quietly backs various bad nations).
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    1. Re:Not even close to true by Moderatbastard · · Score: 0

      As to tyrants "prefering" to starve their pop, that is not even close. I seriously doubt that anybody CHOOSES to starve their population.
      For Pete's sake, google for "Pol Pot" and "Robert Mugabe" before modding this clown up.
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    2. Re:Not even close to true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      They BUTCHERED their citizens, not starved them. Literally. Do a Google before responding. There is a big difference. Next, you will be saying that these tyrants shot their citizens into space and asphyxiated them.

      Probably the closest that there is, to a leader starving their citizens of the last 50 years is Mugabe of zimbabwe or even KIM Jong Il of North Korea. But both is due to incompetence, not due to an actual policy of starvation. You need to read up on history, or even just listen to more than Faux news. Thank God, others are brighter than you. Let me guess. "You was learned in Texas and are a republican"?

    3. Re:Not even close to true by jtev · · Score: 1

      Um, no, under the Khymer Rouge people were relocated from cities to farms, and forced to try and farm, and by and large failed, and starved to death. There was some butchery as well, but that wasn't the only way that people died under Pol Pot. And yes, there are infrastructure failures that do lead to starvation, not always production failures, however many countries lack the money to import significant amouts of food, the infrastructure to distribute the imported food, and the governmental integrity to actually distribute the food, instead of selling it to a richer country. The great agricultural behemoth is unwilling to have unlimited production of agricultural goods, because the last time they allowed it, it created widespread poverty in agricutural areas, before the Great Depression.

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    4. Re:Not even close to true by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      How is GW screwing up the water supply? By making ethanol?

    5. Re:Not even close to true by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      GW => global warming. If all the models are correct, then we will see a great deal more evaporation. In addition, much of what is now the world's bread baskets will get much dryer. Of course, that is simply models. It will take another decade before it is really known if it is fully true or not.

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    6. Re:Not even close to true by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2
      It's still true... Please see my other post about everyone living in Texas alone, and being fed AND provided with water from just the US.

      Starvation is NOT a resource issue - it is a purely political issue. And unless and until we're willing to solve that, throwing more resources into sh*tholes like Zimbabwe and Sudan is just flushing it down the the toilet.

      Ask Mugabe how, in 15 short years, he can turn Zimbabwe from a massive exporter of food to the pit of dispair it has become. Ask the Sudanese rebels where the millions of pounds of food end up. Ask the Somali warlords how many bags of food actually got to the population - not their gangs - when we tried feeding that place.

      The REAL solution is called nation building, but that's not acceptable to most on the political left. You want to feed Africa? A few well-placed bullets would solve 95% of the problem.

      And yes, I put my money - and my life - where my mouth is. I've been to Kenya, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Burundi, Haiti, Cambodia, Bangladesh, and other places to work in humanitarian efforts. The biggest issues we faced? Trying to get aid and supplies to the people, without losing it all in bribes to the local thugs running the place...

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    7. Re:Not even close to true by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1
      Really, governments don't have policies aimed at starving their populations? There are literally dozens of examples, but how about you just try to counter one: good old friend of the leftists of the world, Josef Stalin. His FORCED and PLANNED famine in the Ukraine killed over 7 million people. Go to the Ukraine, talk to some of the old folks left there, and you'll find out the truth...

      But no, it's a lot safer and a lot less challenging to your world view ("Conservatives are teh sux0r!") to sit behind your computer screen, posting as an Anonymous Asshat for the world to see. When your ignorance is fully displayed, after all, it won't PERSONALLY affect you.

      So, put up or shut up. You going to say that Stalin really didn't mean to starve millions in the Ukraine? That no one would do that on purpose?

      And I suppose you'll also say that Mugabe is really doing the best he can, forcing people to sell products at below cost "for the good of the nation"...

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    8. Re:Not even close to true by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      aaaa I was thinking GWB the current US President.

    9. Re:Not even close to true by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      They BUTCHERED their citizens, not starved them. Probably the closest that there is, to a leader starving their citizens of the last 50 years is Mugabe of zimbabwe
      So that would be the other Mugabe, not the one that the GP mentioned?

      Since you're obviously an expert on these matters, perhaps you'd care to enlighten us about this unknown sibling or cousin living in Robert's shadow.
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  38. No, but by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    I believe that far too many nations have done far too little to control their populations. All of Asia, Africa, and Latin America are growing quickly. The west is actually shrinking except for immigration. Some of the monster problems remain that groups like Mormons and Catholics are pushing against population control. They are literally hoping to grow their growth (that is why the catholic church desperately NEEDS a pope from South America, rather than EU; all of the clergy there wants controls; hopefully that happens when the ex-nazi is gone). And the two nation that MUST put on stricter controls is China and India. Both govs are afraid to do so, so push emigration as a way to lower their population. That will make things worse, not better. As it is, those that immigrate from those nations are not the average populace, but their best and brightest; the very ppl that they need there. Mother nature is about to teach the world a lesson, regardless of what we want. Is he hoping for famine? I doubt that he wants things to be that cruel. But even a number of DOD studies show that this is coming.

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  39. Top it off with W's plans by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    W. is pushing for corn to be used for fuel. So we are going to get a double whammy. Corn and wheat being taken off them food market. It would appear that living may get a LOT more expensive.

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    1. Re:Top it off with W's plans by Clay+Pigeon+-TPF-VS- · · Score: 1

      W is on his way out, and hopefully whoever replaces him will actually listen to his/her scientific advisors.

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    2. Re:Top it off with W's plans by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      W is on his way out, and hopefully whoever replaces him will actually listen to his/her scientific advisors. It will be another year before the next president starts. This is not likely to be their top priority. Their top priority will most likely be Iraq, Deficits, and our economy. Sadly, all these things are tied together, and yet, it will take years to straighten it out. And even if congress stays soft dem, it is far more likely that they will fight with the pres. rather than work together.

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    3. Re:Top it off with W's plans by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1

      No, when farmers find that they'll get paid more for corn than what they're growing now, they'll start growing corn rather than the other crop. They can start with lima beans. Or squash.

  40. First homo sapiens mass-extinction since 1350? by chris_sawtell · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile, national governments in the path of the fungus are telling folks that there is nothing to worry about.
    Meanwhile the breadbaskets of the world with econo-military axes to grind are rubbing their hands in unabashed glee. Winning the bio-economic war without even having to launch a single missile! This must be a first. Oh dear! I forget the story about smallpox infected blankets.
  41. I'm waiting for the fungus that targets Monsanto by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

    Nothing better than a (patented) genetically homogeneous worldwide host to infect.

  42. The Death of Grass by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1
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  43. good for business. by buttle2000 · · Score: 0
    This fungus has been engineered in the states and released in the developing world.
    Now those same companies that developed the fungus will come to the rescue with their engineered wheat.

    That's a good business plan.

  44. Breaking news: Asians eat rice! by koinu · · Score: 1

    Come on, this is wheat. Who cares about that in Asia? People eat rice 3x a day there.

  45. That's nothing by FornaxChemica · · Score: 1

    If you want to see some fast-spreading fungus that destroys food and threatens to wipe out humanity, go look into my fridge.

  46. Africa again? by X.25 · · Score: 1

    So, someone has been experimenting again and decided to try it in Africa (again)? ;)

  47. http://www.globalrust.org/ by hAckz0r · · Score: 1

    http://www.globalrust.org/ For those who want to keep track of rust development. Also see http://www.plantcell.org/cgi/content/full/18/1/1 for some more technical details.

  48. Monsanto by youthoftoday · · Score: 1

    I'm placing my bet on 'Monsanto developed the fungus'. I wonder how long before they'll release a miracle fungicide...

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  49. OT: Signature by Roxton · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Atheists have as much faith as any religious zealot. Only agnostics have an objectively honest belief.

    Agnostics who fail to point out that the evidence for God is too thin to be taken seriously and that it is rationally absurd to assert the existence of God are cowardly, ignorant, or politically saavy. But that does make the agnostic/atheist dichotomy a little weak, no? Almost meaningless, perhaps?
  50. There is an immunity gene by microbox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Bubonic plague is transported in the body in a similar way to HIV. There is a recessive gene that provides immunity, so you can be born flat-out immune to aids. It works by changing the shape of white blood cells.

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  51. i tried amaranth cereal once by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Funny

    it was like eating gravel

    hopefully american food processors can turn it into a sweet mushy goo, like most of the food i'm comfortable with

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  52. Barley, maize, rye and oats. by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

    Well, I'm off to make a broth with some nice pearl barley. I'll throw in a few kernals of maize for colour, and I'll serve it with a nice hunk of rye bread. For desert, I think I'll have a nice oat flapjack.

    The wheat monoculture thing was never really my bag.

    HAL.

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  53. Tribbles by chazzzzy · · Score: 1

    Calling Capt. Kirk! Tribble infestation!

  54. Don't tell Greenpeace by sabernet · · Score: 1

    Don't tell Greenpeace! They'll declare these resistant hybrids as 'evil' and claim these 'frankenfoods' will destroy all humanity!

    Not like they haven't before....

    Apparentlybiottech == Montsanto under any circumstance.

  55. Death of Grass by metoc · · Score: 1

    Read the book.

  56. Potato bread by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

    Potato bread. Unless this rust thing hits potato crops too.

    1. Re:Potato bread by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      "Potato bread. Unless this rust thing hits potato crops too."

      Good thing potatoes aren't susceptible to fungi :)

  57. Yeah, but by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    shark attacks are at an all time lower throughout the world. That is most likely due to most sharks being endangered, but your comments applies in certain areas. In particular, off of Florida's west coast.

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  58. Newly??? by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 1

    Newly discovered 9 years ago. I guess "newly" doesn't mean what it once did.

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  59. This is the really scary stuff. by kabocox · · Score: 1

    I try not to think of all the ways that we could die off. Like climate change, asteroid impact, wars over resources be it energy reserves or fresh drinking water, the problems with living a police state, and the bee death. Now I have to worry about our food resources being threated by disease as well at least until lunch.

    Remember, a while back some one was wanting to build a farming sky scraper? A couple of events like this that we survive at our current tech level, will be enough to get us to play around with that concept.

    I'm assuming our farmers and the government are doing everything possible to prevent farm diseases from invading as a routine measure. The only way to be really sure is to have all the food grown where we could control all the air and materials that come into contact with the farm products. In theory, we could grow any type of plant even if it was highly likely to get the disease simply because the normal disease vectors would never come into contact with our farming sky scraper or underground farms, or under ocean farms or orbital farms.

  60. I like wheat... by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 1

    It's a fantastic staple! Go Europe!

    But come on rice or potatoes.... let's mix up our staple!

  61. Global Warming will hit first by MoronBob · · Score: 1

    This discussion is mostly irrelevant because long before this can become an issue to worry about those same crops will be wiped out by Global Warming. The debate is over. Global warming is the only issue that should be addressed until we get Global Temperature back under mans control.

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  62. Must be those pesky terrorists again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should probably revoke the constitution at this time as it just provides ways for people to attack us. If we abolish the piece of paper no one will be able to attack us with terror anymore. The constitution must die!!!

  63. Calling Steve Jackson Games... by kwings · · Score: 1

    Does this story sound an awful like the back story to that old game, Car Wars? Didn't it start with a grain blight? Theo

    1. Re:Calling Steve Jackson Games... by cryptomancer · · Score: 1

      Yep. I think it was 2017, grain blight, global food shortages, riots, disintegration of civilization, and we're left with algae-based burgers, beer, and Mad Max style electric cars. I'm already moving away from the current questionable burger meats, so an algae-based veggie burger is nothing, I don't drink beer anyway, and I can't complain about a green vehicle with weaponry. So this is a good thing, right?

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  64. Re:Monoculture is bad, OK? by Macthorpe · · Score: 1

    I'm kind of flattered, Twitter - did you really create a sockpuppet account with a name suspiciously like mine so you could troll in my honour?

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  65. It's called INFLATION by inKubus · · Score: 1

    The dollar is down. The Fed keeps printing more dollars and lowering interest rates even more. So, naturally you can't purchase the same amount of wheat for the same price any more. Of course, SOME of this is a result of high demand for wheat globally and low inventories, but 90% of the price is the Dollar Economics, not the Wheat Economics. So, while the wheat farmer "cleans up" this year by selling his wheat for $10 instead of $5, next year he'll have to buy gas for $6.00/gallon.. Agriculture is a classic bubble market. Food demand is fairly inelastic, but prices can wildly vary. Couple that with the relatively unsophisticated (economically) producers and you have a market ripe for a bubble. The farmers will just go and blow all that money on new overpriced Ford Pickups, mostly Chineese tractors and the rest they'll invest in stocks, just in time for the Wall Street people to finally cash out. The economists like them to suffer because they #1 will always have enough food (won't starve) and they have a place to stay (won't freeze) and if they get behind on the mortgage, Con-agra or Monsanto is there to buy them out and turn them into sharecroppers.

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    1. Re:It's called INFLATION by FreakWent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      wrong.

      The wheat price is high because some food crops are being used for ethanol instead, so there's less food.

      The wheat price is also high because their is higher demand as China (Asia) moves like Russia did in the 70s to more meat in the average diet, so they need more grain to feed to animals. 10 calories of grain is needed to make 1 calorie of meat, IIRC.

      You see flour shortages in Pakistan, and massive queues and shortages, and that's not because of the USA dollar.

      It all comes back to the oil price, and the available energy per capita.

  66. Yeah, right. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    Meanwhile, national governments in the path of the fungus are telling folks that there is nothing to worry about.

    Naturally. The people at the top never have to worry about food. They do, however, have to contend with angry hordes of starving people who have nothing to lose.

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  67. Although scientists believe they can develop .... by Republican+Gun · · Score: 1

    LIES. Blatant Lies! Most governments subsidized their farmers into buy the Genetically Modified Hybrids that are sold by large corporations like Pioneer. The only catch though is you can't plant seeds from these GM hybrids. They made it illegal to. Laws that seem to be pandering to the organic health freaks, but are really just written by the seed lobbyist. So now farmers have to buy seed, and the only seed on the market is GM hybrid seed that you can't save seeds and grow from. Nature is the only defense against mold, disease, locust, and worms. Having thousands of varieties of the same plant insures survival. Irish potatoe famine comes to my mind.

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  68. nothing to worry about.... by aschrock · · Score: 1

    ...unless you like eating wheat.