>> how loud do you think an injured rapper would have to raise their voice before people gave them medical attention?
Oh, so that is why so many rappers get killed and no one seems to notice...
Apparently everyone just think that a dying rapper is just singing his new song:)
> broad spectrum international support, and a peaceful vote
These guys had 2 peaceful votes, just no one cared enough to agree with them.
Kosovo Albanians were very much supported and geared by Albania
And yes I do think that the comparison is still valid, sine even in Kosovo case in the mandate for KFOR was clearly stated that NO INDEPENDENCE is to come out of this.
You do understand you own stupidity?
You are comparing "wearing a dress" to "shelling a city"...
By Human Rights Watch accounts, over 100 civilians were killed in Tshinvali and over 250 were injured, during the shelling.
And if you actually read the comment, is says that Georgia was "counting on US support".
But the comment does expose the hypocrisy of US and European policies.
Since S.Osetia is very much comparable to Kosovo. And in lesser degree to Abkhazia(since Abkhaz people don't have their own country, unlike Kosovo Albanians).
>Did Georgia systematically murder 1000's of its own citizens, even using chemical weapons?
Heard of the first South Osetian war?
>Did Georgia invade and annex a neighboring country?
Does an unrecognized country, with ethnically different population count?
> Did Georgia try to assassinate an ex-Russian leader?
Pretty much sure, they wanted(probably still want) to assassinate the leaders of Abkhazia and South Osetia.
You are right in the way that it's a lot less predictable.
That is right I said it, Russia is pretty much as predictable as it gets. You just have to follow the right logic.
Uhm....
Human Rights Watch was there. They are pretty independent. Or do you consider independent experts the guys that will blame Russia before departing to the conflict are?
I advise you to read their site. But don't stop on the last article only, since to see the whole picture you need to read the series.
But what am I thinking! This is Slashdot, no one is interested in anything beyond what they hear on the news.
BTW, I even have lost my respect to BBC World News, because they started shoving Georgian propaganda off the air.
BTW: I really am not on Georgian side, nor am I on Russian side. Both are assholes, just one is somehow blindly supported by US.
Are you sure you want to protect a person that imposes state of emergency and disperses demonstrations, as soon as someone actually protests against him?
>> Many are dead, exiled or in jail.
Many of witch have investigated a lot of organized crime syndicates. So it's not unusual to get killed doing that, even in US. take Paul Khlebnikov for example.
Though I agree that it's most likely that the people in power are behind, the federal government is less likely to be involved. Though the federal government is definitely to blame for allowing these thugs to be in power there(In Russia only the regional parliament is elected, the governor is basically assigned from Moscow and can be removed from power)
Mind you even governors have been killed in Russia for being too under control by federal government.
>> 2. Bring in loyal journalists, show corpses, accuse your neighbour everywhere.
WOW! I thought Human Rights Watch was actually a western organization....
>> They have bases, even South Ossetian local government is formed of KGB officers
Oh, so you have seen Saakashvili's speech... nice, I did too.
Problem is that I believe 0% of what he said. I also believe 0% of what Russians say.
I however believe facts. And to a limit Human Rights Watch.(And both are actually not on the side of Russia nor Georgia)
>> repairing the railroad in Abkhazia
Actually they were doing that for quite a long time now. The first time they started to restoring rail transportation was almost 2 years ago.
Well this one was actually set up quite nice.
Problem is Saakasvili was really paving the way nicely... without anyone actually forcing him.
I do actually applaud Russians for an almost perfect plan and Saakasvili for an extreemely good media campaign.
>> Russians politics (Lavrov) are talking openly about changing Georgian government.
To be fair, they are stating that they cannot interact with the current president, they are not however planning to oust him by military force. Not their style.
Lavrov is a diplomat.
If you read it correctly you will see that mostly the media says that US should not be blind to Georgia's actions and should not side with either, but should be on the side of the people.
Your quoted HWR does state that both sides are to blame, US is to blame by extension for unquestionably supporting one of the offending sides.
>> especially in the diplomatic sphere
Well...
French and Latin are pretty much alive and well in the diplomatic sphere. Much more than you might think.
Actually Schengen is only about hassle free travel, that is little as possible passport checks and common visa system. Not about the rights for free movement of labour and goods(witch is what EU is all about).
>> I would also suggest that there are lots of other examples too (for example this one [youtube.com]).
The video is about the artificial famine in Soviet Union, where Ukraine was hardest hit, though was not limited to Ukraine only.
And technically Russia and Ukraine is Europe.
>The french waiters are just as rude to us.
They actually like you very much, since americans tend to tip more than the usual european.
What they don't like is american ignorance of french culture and arrogance about american culture.
(A great example is for this spellchecker that comes with Firefox, that does not consider "french" to be a problem, while "american" has to be written with a capitol letter)
An accident implies that no one was to blame
But we use "road accident" , if a driver falls asleep at the wheel. So the first election was an accident, in the "road accident" sense.
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Ahh.... You know, that is what is capitalism in reality.
>> how loud do you think an injured rapper would have to raise their voice before people gave them medical attention? :)
Oh, so that is why so many rappers get killed and no one seems to notice...
Apparently everyone just think that a dying rapper is just singing his new song
I was(and still am) under the impression that common sense was illegal in US
> broad spectrum international support, and a peaceful vote
These guys had 2 peaceful votes, just no one cared enough to agree with them.
Kosovo Albanians were very much supported and geared by Albania
And yes I do think that the comparison is still valid, sine even in Kosovo case in the mandate for KFOR was clearly stated that NO INDEPENDENCE is to come out of this.
You do understand you own stupidity?
You are comparing "wearing a dress" to "shelling a city"...
By Human Rights Watch accounts, over 100 civilians were killed in Tshinvali and over 250 were injured, during the shelling.
And if you actually read the comment, is says that Georgia was "counting on US support".
But the comment does expose the hypocrisy of US and European policies.
Since S.Osetia is very much comparable to Kosovo.
And in lesser degree to Abkhazia(since Abkhaz people don't have their own country, unlike Kosovo Albanians).
>Did Georgia systematically murder 1000's of its own citizens, even using chemical weapons?
Heard of the first South Osetian war?
>Did Georgia invade and annex a neighboring country?
Does an unrecognized country, with ethnically different population count?
> Did Georgia try to assassinate an ex-Russian leader?
Pretty much sure, they wanted(probably still want) to assassinate the leaders of Abkhazia and South Osetia.
FYI: Russia and Japan still do not have a peace treaty :)
You are right in the way that it's a lot less predictable.
That is right I said it, Russia is pretty much as predictable as it gets. You just have to follow the right logic.
Uhm....
Human Rights Watch was there. They are pretty independent. Or do you consider independent experts the guys that will blame Russia before departing to the conflict are?
I advise you to read their site. But don't stop on the last article only, since to see the whole picture you need to read the series.
But what am I thinking! This is Slashdot, no one is interested in anything beyond what they hear on the news.
BTW, I even have lost my respect to BBC World News, because they started shoving Georgian propaganda off the air.
BTW: I really am not on Georgian side, nor am I on Russian side. Both are assholes, just one is somehow blindly supported by US.
Are you sure you want to protect a person that imposes state of emergency and disperses demonstrations, as soon as someone actually protests against him?
>> Many are dead, exiled or in jail.
Many of witch have investigated a lot of organized crime syndicates. So it's not unusual to get killed doing that, even in US. take Paul Khlebnikov for example.
Though I agree that it's most likely that the people in power are behind, the federal government is less likely to be involved.
Though the federal government is definitely to blame for allowing these thugs to be in power there(In Russia only the regional parliament is elected, the governor is basically assigned from Moscow and can be removed from power)
Mind you even governors have been killed in Russia for being too under control by federal government.
>> 2. Bring in loyal journalists, show corpses, accuse your neighbour everywhere.
WOW! I thought Human Rights Watch was actually a western organization....
>> They have bases, even South Ossetian local government is formed of KGB officers
Oh, so you have seen Saakashvili's speech... nice, I did too.
Problem is that I believe 0% of what he said. I also believe 0% of what Russians say.
I however believe facts. And to a limit Human Rights Watch.(And both are actually not on the side of Russia nor Georgia)
>> repairing the railroad in Abkhazia
Actually they were doing that for quite a long time now. The first time they started to restoring rail transportation was almost 2 years ago.
Well this one was actually set up quite nice.
Problem is Saakasvili was really paving the way nicely... without anyone actually forcing him.
I do actually applaud Russians for an almost perfect plan and Saakasvili for an extreemely good media campaign.
>> Russians politics (Lavrov) are talking openly about changing Georgian government.
To be fair, they are stating that they cannot interact with the current president, they are not however planning to oust him by military force. Not their style.
Lavrov is a diplomat.
If you read it correctly you will see that mostly the media says that US should not be blind to Georgia's actions and should not side with either, but should be on the side of the people.
Your quoted HWR does state that both sides are to blame, US is to blame by extension for unquestionably supporting one of the offending sides.
>> especially in the diplomatic sphere
Well...
French and Latin are pretty much alive and well in the diplomatic sphere. Much more than you might think.
>no matter where you come from
You'd be surprised to know, that being russian in Paris is much better.
Actually Schengen is only about hassle free travel, that is little as possible passport checks and common visa system. Not about the rights for free movement of labour and goods(witch is what EU is all about).
When I saw the toilets in US for the first time I was pretty much sure it was clogged. So the feeling is mutual.
>> I would also suggest that there are lots of other examples too (for example this one [youtube.com]).
The video is about the artificial famine in Soviet Union, where Ukraine was hardest hit, though was not limited to Ukraine only.
And technically Russia and Ukraine is Europe.
>The french waiters are just as rude to us.
They actually like you very much, since americans tend to tip more than the usual european.
What they don't like is american ignorance of french culture and arrogance about american culture.
(A great example is for this spellchecker that comes with Firefox, that does not consider "french" to be a problem, while "american" has to be written with a capitol letter)
An accident implies that no one was to blame
But we use "road accident" , if a driver falls asleep at the wheel. So the first election was an accident, in the "road accident" sense.
SUN = Stanford University Networks :)