Second, the trial was about "did scopes teach evolution" (which violated the Butler act) not "is evolution true". Now, Clarence Darrow did try to bring in evidence for evolution, but it was disregarded because it was irrelevant.
If you want us to stay out of the schools, stop funding the schools with tax dollars and let us use our tax money to send our kids to our own private schools. Sound fair? Our small, private, Christian schools outperform your public schools by an order of magnitude the way it is.
>Nobody expects the preacher to give equal time to Darwin on Sunday.
Again, our religion isn't (and never will be if we have anything to say about it) funded by taxpayer dollars.
I think that the big reason software is moving toward the cloud is that the SAAS business model is much more friendly than the traditional buy-it-once-use-it-forever desktop app model for a couple of reasons. Not to say that there aren't advantages of the other way, but I can understand why companies want to move toward the web as a platform.
1) You control the machines you are updating. No need to worry about rolling out patches.
2) If you test against IE7, you can be certain that your app will work in the vast majority of cases. You don't have to worry about.net framework versions, 1000 different versions of JRE or if they have applied all their windows updates.
3) You don't have to worry about selling upgrades or extending the maintenance agreement every year to keep the bottom line healthy. Either the company pays up every billing cycle or get their accounts suspended.
4) You don't have to build in license key management or worry about companies making more installations than they have licenses for.
Oh how I would love a congress that didn't do anything. It seems that every time they "get something done" it ends up taking away more of my money and freedom. Cmon gridlock!
>Start by giving teachers livable wages
For working 9 months out of the year, most teachers are paid very well. If the starting wage for a teacher is $32k (as it was in 2005 for a very small district I used to work for), they make almost $43 annualized. That's straight out of college and doesn't even take into account their 30 hour work week. It also gives them 3 months to get a summer job and make even more.
The union does a very good job at haggling to get teachers to be paid more than they would be worth in a free market and keeping teachers that would get fired if there was any accountability to parents for the jobs they do.
The partial answer to this problem is to get rid of the teachers union. If they didn't have such a safe little job where they can't get fired no matter how rotten they are, it would provide incentive to either do their job or find another one - just like it is for the rest of the world. Look at what the unions have done to Ford, GM and Chrysler... they have been doing the same thing to the education system, I have witnessed it first hand.
The rest of the answer, as I see it, is to put the power in the hands of the stakeholders rather than the bureaucrats. In the USA, parents are responsible for the education of their children, not the school district. Why not get the parents involved in evaluating the teachers. If the teachers realized that they are there to serve the students and families they interact with, they might start trying to do what's best for the kids.
Setting up a secured lamp server (secured from being hacked, not secure as in ssl) isn't all that difficult. First, set up your lamp server just as you need it. Then install iptables (firewall), webmin and openssh. Set webmin and openssh to use random high (>2048) ports rather than standard. Set up openssh to use public key authentication (disable password auth) and set up webmin to NOT use local user accounts to login (you will have to set up webmin users). Then use the iptables module in webmin to block all traffic but the three ports you need (80 for web and the two random ones). If you want to be extra-paranoid, block webmin as well and learn how to tunnel it through ssh.
Startcom.org offers free ssl certs that are trusted by default with FF2 and later. You have to prove that you own the domain through an automatic process, but after that, they are just like the pay for ones (except they give an error in IE).
Rule of thumb: when peaceful citizens can't bring guns somewhere, you are fair game to be shot. If only professors were allowed to carry concealed weapons (pending background checks and the usual hoop jumping), Cho wouldn't have squeezed more than a couple shots off before he was taken down. This is the same situation seen over and over (Columbine another good example), when only the bad guys have guns (because law abiding citizens are obeying the law), the bad guys are left unchecked. That's why most mass murders happen in schools and universities, the shooter KNOWS that nobody righteous is going to fire back because they aren't breaking the law by carrying their weapons. Leave it to the gov't to create a problem where innocent citizens die and then try to take their rights away to 'fix' it without ever actually doing so.
It isn't that simple. Being the lead developer of a project has its benefits. Most of what I have seen as far as people making a living from FOSS works like this.
1) Coder writes some software and releases it under a FOSS license
2) Community likes it and starts to contribute
3) Some of the community will be business users who want new features. Since paying the coder to write an addon to an existing product instead of buying commerical software or paying someone to develop an entire app, the coder makes their money writing custom software for these businesses.
4) The custom software written for businesses gets put back into the main program in a future release.
5) The coder makes a living, businesses that aren't picky get free software, businesses that have paid in the past get free upgrades, businesses that want new features get them cheap because they only pay for new stuff that they want... everybody wins but micro$oft
Now be careful when you talk about church fathers. This is talking about the catholic church. The catholic church is NOT mainstream Christian thought. The catholic church on many occasions killed anyone who opposed them, their teachings are not Christian and aren't considered so by anyone other than themselves. They believe that a man has the power to speak as God (when he is sitting on his big chair with his big hat on). They believe that the "priest" can lasso up Jesus, bring him down from heaven, trap him in a cookie and let everybody take a bite. Authoritative catholics don't believe most of the bible (not even their own version), so of course they don't believe the first couple chapters of it.
The only thing that has ever been observed is minor changes within a kind of animal over time: adaptation. I agree that zebras, horses and donkeys all most likely had a common ancestor, but they can all interbreed as well: same kind of animal. No real evidence has ever been discovered (or much less reproduced) that one kind of animal can bring forth an animal of a different kind: i.e. a fish giving birth to a frog. The idea that a complicated organism can "evolve" one part at a time is just idiotic, no matter how many people believe it. Everybody used to think that the earth was flat and that everything revolved around the sun. The bible clearly contradicted both of these theories and later science caught up with the bible. Same thing with sanitation.
Evolution is based on the "geologic column". Do some reading and see where the geologic column came from. You might also want to read how the fossils and rock layers are dated (spoiler: they are used to date each other... circular reasoning).
By the way, would you mind going on record by defining the evolution that is supposedly as true as gravity or the speed of light? I agree with the observable fact that kinds of animals change over time (like the zebra, horse, donkey thing above). I think it is ludicrous for people to actually believe that this observable fact some how correlates to proof that a single cell organism can evolve into a complex being like a human though. This is especially true when you look into what bones from the "missing links" were used to reconstruct them. In some cases it is like a jawbone and a tooth that they build the rest off of.
Here's a challenge then. Refute one of Dr. Hovind's claims with actual scientific proof. Or you might want to watch his debates where he takes on your evolutionist leaders (the ones who get paid to spread this bull). I guess though that it is easier for you to just take cheap shots at the man rather than actually try to do some research and prove that something he said is untrue.
Read the bible before trying to dispute it, you might learn something. You don't even have to read far to see that God created man in His image (i.e. perfect). Their disobedience caused their fall which brought on death and corruption. God did not punish someone to make up for those flaws, he sent his son to give man a chance to redeem themselves from their sinful and flawed nature (that was due to their ancestors, not their creator).
Do a little reading before you post. There are even fossilized dinosaur tracks with human footprints going through them. http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm
Creationists love science. We object to lies. In particular, the one that tells our children that even though nobody has ever observed it (observation = science) life came about on its own. Your evolutionist religion takes more faith to believe in than mine! Science is only science when someone can perform an experiment and observe results that coincide with their hypothesis. This experiment must be able to be repeated by other scientists. Evolution is not scientific as none of it has EVER been observed (other than changes in a particular kind of animal over time, which is adaptation, not evolution), it is a matter of faith. Creation takes faith too, but at least we don't make up lies (gill slits, geologic column, "missing links") to support our faith and erase the line between theory and fact. We definitely don't use your tax dollars to support our faith either!
In short, evolution is NOT science, it is a feeble theory surviving on tax dollars made up and supported by people who want to justify their wicked lifestyles. Christians hate LIES, we love science.
First of all, you, having been raised in the SBC, should know that baptists are not a branch from the catholic church and are not protestants.
I am sorry that I was vague with my timeline. Although you are correct, it doesn't change the point I was making. Constantine was not alive during the original disciples' lives, but he did nonetheless hijack Christianity.
Until Gutenberg, bibles were hand copied. It wasn't until Tyndale that a word for word translation from the original text was created and I thank protestantism for him. Tyndale did not use the latin vulgate (look up alexandrian text for more info) as the catholic church did but translated from the original greek text.
I was raised catholic, attended k-12 catholic school, went to mass every sunday with my family and was even an altar boy. I know catholic doctrine. That's what made my faith die. The papal override of God's word, worshiping mary and the saints (as mediators), using works and sacraments to get to heaven, etc... all made no sense to me and I figured that anything based off of these teachings were equally crazy if not more so. The whole issue of ishtar and christmas trees didn't help either. Later I became an independent baptist.
The bible (romans more specifically) is crystal clear on how to get salvation.
1) admit that you are a wicked sinner that deserves death (to the Lord, not a priest)
2) believe that Jesus died to save you from your sins
3) ask Christ to let his sacrifice pay the penalty for your sins
The catholic church's plan of salvation is get the sacraments and do good works. This directly contradicts the bible. The catholic church not only ignores the bible's plan for salvation, but also leads aspiring believers to think that their deeds can get them to heaven. If they could, why did Jesus bother to die a gruesome death to pay for our sins????
I do not hate catholics (most of my family are catholics) and I am not trying to make more people into baptists. I just want there to be more of you in heaven with me when Christ returns. Sadly, unless catholics have trusted Christ apart from the teaching of their church, they will be elsewhere at that time.
Please don't confuse Christianity with the catholic church. Although the catholic church claims itself to be christian, almost no true bible-believers acknowledge what they do as christian. Just after Christ ascended into heaven and his teachings spread like wildfire, the roman emperor constantine discovered that Christians were popping up faster than he could kill them. With a if-you-can't-beat-em-join-em response he legalized Christianity but made himself over the roman standard (catholic) church. This church combined 98% of their traditional pagan worship with 2% biblical doctrine. Any true Christians went into hiding or were killed. Satan is the great deceiver, his method is to make his lies masquerade as the truth in order to drag more people away from Christ. The catholic church has been one of his strongest helpers over the course of history.
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Likening this to the scopes trial is disingenuous and whoever made the correlation first (I heard it on NPR this morning) doesn't know their history.
First off, scopes LOST the trial: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial#End_of_the_trial.
Second, the trial was about "did scopes teach evolution" (which violated the Butler act) not "is evolution true". Now, Clarence Darrow did try to bring in evidence for evolution, but it was disregarded because it was irrelevant.
Linux users: play quake live I incidentally just tried it out on my ubuntu box last night. Pretty impressive for being browser based.
If you want us to stay out of the schools, stop funding the schools with tax dollars and let us use our tax money to send our kids to our own private schools. Sound fair? Our small, private, Christian schools outperform your public schools by an order of magnitude the way it is. >Nobody expects the preacher to give equal time to Darwin on Sunday. Again, our religion isn't (and never will be if we have anything to say about it) funded by taxpayer dollars.
... a stripped down, half baked version of dropbox Microsoft: going tomorrow where the rest of the world has been for years.
They are going to turn a regular apple usb mouse into a phone?
I think that the big reason software is moving toward the cloud is that the SAAS business model is much more friendly than the traditional buy-it-once-use-it-forever desktop app model for a couple of reasons. Not to say that there aren't advantages of the other way, but I can understand why companies want to move toward the web as a platform. 1) You control the machines you are updating. No need to worry about rolling out patches. 2) If you test against IE7, you can be certain that your app will work in the vast majority of cases. You don't have to worry about .net framework versions, 1000 different versions of JRE or if they have applied all their windows updates.
3) You don't have to worry about selling upgrades or extending the maintenance agreement every year to keep the bottom line healthy. Either the company pays up every billing cycle or get their accounts suspended.
4) You don't have to build in license key management or worry about companies making more installations than they have licenses for.
congress that can't get a damn thing done
Oh how I would love a congress that didn't do anything. It seems that every time they "get something done" it ends up taking away more of my money and freedom. Cmon gridlock!
There's two sides to every schwartz, this must be one of them.
>Start by giving teachers livable wages For working 9 months out of the year, most teachers are paid very well. If the starting wage for a teacher is $32k (as it was in 2005 for a very small district I used to work for), they make almost $43 annualized. That's straight out of college and doesn't even take into account their 30 hour work week. It also gives them 3 months to get a summer job and make even more. The union does a very good job at haggling to get teachers to be paid more than they would be worth in a free market and keeping teachers that would get fired if there was any accountability to parents for the jobs they do. The partial answer to this problem is to get rid of the teachers union. If they didn't have such a safe little job where they can't get fired no matter how rotten they are, it would provide incentive to either do their job or find another one - just like it is for the rest of the world. Look at what the unions have done to Ford, GM and Chrysler... they have been doing the same thing to the education system, I have witnessed it first hand. The rest of the answer, as I see it, is to put the power in the hands of the stakeholders rather than the bureaucrats. In the USA, parents are responsible for the education of their children, not the school district. Why not get the parents involved in evaluating the teachers. If the teachers realized that they are there to serve the students and families they interact with, they might start trying to do what's best for the kids.
... that they don't have access to twitter the way they do to facebook.
how can / why would you sue yourself?
DB got /.'ed
Setting up a secured lamp server (secured from being hacked, not secure as in ssl) isn't all that difficult. First, set up your lamp server just as you need it. Then install iptables (firewall), webmin and openssh. Set webmin and openssh to use random high (>2048) ports rather than standard. Set up openssh to use public key authentication (disable password auth) and set up webmin to NOT use local user accounts to login (you will have to set up webmin users). Then use the iptables module in webmin to block all traffic but the three ports you need (80 for web and the two random ones). If you want to be extra-paranoid, block webmin as well and learn how to tunnel it through ssh.
Startcom.org offers free ssl certs that are trusted by default with FF2 and later. You have to prove that you own the domain through an automatic process, but after that, they are just like the pay for ones (except they give an error in IE).
Rule of thumb: when peaceful citizens can't bring guns somewhere, you are fair game to be shot. If only professors were allowed to carry concealed weapons (pending background checks and the usual hoop jumping), Cho wouldn't have squeezed more than a couple shots off before he was taken down. This is the same situation seen over and over (Columbine another good example), when only the bad guys have guns (because law abiding citizens are obeying the law), the bad guys are left unchecked. That's why most mass murders happen in schools and universities, the shooter KNOWS that nobody righteous is going to fire back because they aren't breaking the law by carrying their weapons. Leave it to the gov't to create a problem where innocent citizens die and then try to take their rights away to 'fix' it without ever actually doing so.
It isn't that simple. Being the lead developer of a project has its benefits. Most of what I have seen as far as people making a living from FOSS works like this.
1) Coder writes some software and releases it under a FOSS license
2) Community likes it and starts to contribute
3) Some of the community will be business users who want new features. Since paying the coder to write an addon to an existing product instead of buying commerical software or paying someone to develop an entire app, the coder makes their money writing custom software for these businesses.
4) The custom software written for businesses gets put back into the main program in a future release.
5) The coder makes a living, businesses that aren't picky get free software, businesses that have paid in the past get free upgrades, businesses that want new features get them cheap because they only pay for new stuff that they want... everybody wins but micro$oft
Now be careful when you talk about church fathers. This is talking about the catholic church. The catholic church is NOT mainstream Christian thought. The catholic church on many occasions killed anyone who opposed them, their teachings are not Christian and aren't considered so by anyone other than themselves. They believe that a man has the power to speak as God (when he is sitting on his big chair with his big hat on). They believe that the "priest" can lasso up Jesus, bring him down from heaven, trap him in a cookie and let everybody take a bite. Authoritative catholics don't believe most of the bible (not even their own version), so of course they don't believe the first couple chapters of it.
The only thing that has ever been observed is minor changes within a kind of animal over time: adaptation. I agree that zebras, horses and donkeys all most likely had a common ancestor, but they can all interbreed as well: same kind of animal. No real evidence has ever been discovered (or much less reproduced) that one kind of animal can bring forth an animal of a different kind: i.e. a fish giving birth to a frog. The idea that a complicated organism can "evolve" one part at a time is just idiotic, no matter how many people believe it. Everybody used to think that the earth was flat and that everything revolved around the sun. The bible clearly contradicted both of these theories and later science caught up with the bible. Same thing with sanitation.
Evolution is based on the "geologic column". Do some reading and see where the geologic column came from. You might also want to read how the fossils and rock layers are dated (spoiler: they are used to date each other... circular reasoning).
By the way, would you mind going on record by defining the evolution that is supposedly as true as gravity or the speed of light? I agree with the observable fact that kinds of animals change over time (like the zebra, horse, donkey thing above). I think it is ludicrous for people to actually believe that this observable fact some how correlates to proof that a single cell organism can evolve into a complex being like a human though. This is especially true when you look into what bones from the "missing links" were used to reconstruct them. In some cases it is like a jawbone and a tooth that they build the rest off of.
Here's a challenge then. Refute one of Dr. Hovind's claims with actual scientific proof. Or you might want to watch his debates where he takes on your evolutionist leaders (the ones who get paid to spread this bull). I guess though that it is easier for you to just take cheap shots at the man rather than actually try to do some research and prove that something he said is untrue.
Read the bible before trying to dispute it, you might learn something. You don't even have to read far to see that God created man in His image (i.e. perfect). Their disobedience caused their fall which brought on death and corruption. God did not punish someone to make up for those flaws, he sent his son to give man a chance to redeem themselves from their sinful and flawed nature (that was due to their ancestors, not their creator).
Young earth hypothesis is a recent addition to Christian thought?
Would you mind citing your source?
The young earth "hypothesis" has been around approximately 6000 years? How old is evolutionism again?
http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/ancient/ancient .htm
Do a little reading before you post. There are even fossilized dinosaur tracks with human footprints going through them. http://www.bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm
Creationists love science. We object to lies. In particular, the one that tells our children that even though nobody has ever observed it (observation = science) life came about on its own. Your evolutionist religion takes more faith to believe in than mine! Science is only science when someone can perform an experiment and observe results that coincide with their hypothesis. This experiment must be able to be repeated by other scientists. Evolution is not scientific as none of it has EVER been observed (other than changes in a particular kind of animal over time, which is adaptation, not evolution), it is a matter of faith. Creation takes faith too, but at least we don't make up lies (gill slits, geologic column, "missing links") to support our faith and erase the line between theory and fact. We definitely don't use your tax dollars to support our faith either!
In short, evolution is NOT science, it is a feeble theory surviving on tax dollars made up and supported by people who want to justify their wicked lifestyles. Christians hate LIES, we love science.
First of all, you, having been raised in the SBC, should know that baptists are not a branch from the catholic church and are not protestants.
I am sorry that I was vague with my timeline. Although you are correct, it doesn't change the point I was making. Constantine was not alive during the original disciples' lives, but he did nonetheless hijack Christianity.
Until Gutenberg, bibles were hand copied. It wasn't until Tyndale that a word for word translation from the original text was created and I thank protestantism for him. Tyndale did not use the latin vulgate (look up alexandrian text for more info) as the catholic church did but translated from the original greek text.
I was raised catholic, attended k-12 catholic school, went to mass every sunday with my family and was even an altar boy. I know catholic doctrine. That's what made my faith die. The papal override of God's word, worshiping mary and the saints (as mediators), using works and sacraments to get to heaven, etc... all made no sense to me and I figured that anything based off of these teachings were equally crazy if not more so. The whole issue of ishtar and christmas trees didn't help either. Later I became an independent baptist.
The bible (romans more specifically) is crystal clear on how to get salvation.
1) admit that you are a wicked sinner that deserves death (to the Lord, not a priest)
2) believe that Jesus died to save you from your sins
3) ask Christ to let his sacrifice pay the penalty for your sins
The catholic church's plan of salvation is get the sacraments and do good works. This directly contradicts the bible. The catholic church not only ignores the bible's plan for salvation, but also leads aspiring believers to think that their deeds can get them to heaven. If they could, why did Jesus bother to die a gruesome death to pay for our sins????
I do not hate catholics (most of my family are catholics) and I am not trying to make more people into baptists. I just want there to be more of you in heaven with me when Christ returns. Sadly, unless catholics have trusted Christ apart from the teaching of their church, they will be elsewhere at that time.
Please don't confuse Christianity with the catholic church. Although the catholic church claims itself to be christian, almost no true bible-believers acknowledge what they do as christian. Just after Christ ascended into heaven and his teachings spread like wildfire, the roman emperor constantine discovered that Christians were popping up faster than he could kill them. With a if-you-can't-beat-em-join-em response he legalized Christianity but made himself over the roman standard (catholic) church. This church combined 98% of their traditional pagan worship with 2% biblical doctrine. Any true Christians went into hiding or were killed. Satan is the great deceiver, his method is to make his lies masquerade as the truth in order to drag more people away from Christ. The catholic church has been one of his strongest helpers over the course of history.