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McCain Answers Science Policy Questionnaire
thebestsophist writes "A couple weeks ago, I reported that Barack Obama had answered a questionnaire by Scientists and Engineers for America. McCain has now answered that questionnaire as well. You can also compare their answers. Perhaps with help from the Slashdot community, we can get all the Congressional candidates as well?"
"I am committed to streamlining burdensome regulations and effectively protecting American intellectual property in the United States and around the globe."
I'll leave it up to the rest of you to flame McCain for that! I believe that it is also worth mentioning that Obama didn't bring up "regulation" or "protecting intellectual property" at all, especially not in the first paragraph as McCain did.
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Come on, are we to believe that the candidates actually wrote their own replies to these questions? I wonder how many people came up with the answers.
is a one line answer: "Get the Federal government out of all science research, funding, grants and accreditation of science schools."
Then maybe I'd bother reading it.
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Palin is a Creationist. McCain is a fossil.
Of course they'll talk a good science game (after farming that questionnaire out to one of the lobbyist lawfirms that make up their campaign) when the geeks ask during a campaign. Then these "Compassionate Conservatives" will just show they were lying once they're past the Election Day "accountability moment", and get the power to drag us all back to the Stone Age.
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Since site appears to be slashdotted, here's a Google Cache link:
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:MqO2cs2K3EUJ:sharp.sefora.org/people/presidential-candidates/john-mccain-presidential-candidate/+http://sharp.sefora.org/people/presidential-candidates/john-mccain-presidential-candidate/&hl=ru&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ua&client=firefox-a
I think he errs when he tries to establish a database connection.
I think it's a pretty common problem for older guys though.
If you don't know what AltaVista is (was), get off my lawn.
There were only 3 comments when I tried to open the links in the article but I'm already getting a database connection error.
Either this has been spread around digg, reddit, or somewhere else already or their servers can't handle much of a load.
I just *know* there's a good reason you linked to the hl=ru cache, but for the life of me, I can only think of /. memes.
Isn't it great that we have so many choices for leadership? If we don't like the opinions of one person, we have one other person to choose from. Certainly each one of us can find one of these two people who will agree with and advocate for all that we believe in. Right?
Has anyone noticed that instead of having one person in control of everything, we now actually have technology that can do better? Isn't that the whole point behind this Web 2.0 thing?
There is now a very rapidly-growing movement for various forms of "electronic direct democracy." No, that doesn't mean "mob rule." Unless you think that every Web 2.0 system is a degenerative mob of babble-heads? The promise of Web 2.0 is that it can build something out of a group of people that is greater than the sum of its parts. One of the leading, global projects is maintaining a growing list of the other electronic direct democracy projects around the world.
So why do we keep limiting ourselves to a choice between two people, neither of whom is going to agree with anything we want? OK, so there's Ron Paul, but... that didn't work now did it? And honestly, did you actually agree with every single thing Ron Paul advocated?
All of these kind of things are answered to encourage whatever somebody wants to believe. In the end, I think that we are far better off looking at the candidates voting record AND life. Look at W. He has bankrupted multiple companies; he mismanaged and lied on a number of items PRIOR to running as pres. Clinton, well known womanizer PRIOR to president. reagan, nixon, etc all had their issues before they got president (reagan ran up monster deficit in CA, and then got out of trouble because JFK started NASA).
What it comes down to, is these ppl already have their behavior in place. Just look at how they acted over the last 5 years and it will give you a better idea of what to expect.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
The only way something like this makes sense is if a candidate has to respond on the record in real time. Otherwise, they just farm it out to an underling, who will provide a nice, safe, reasonably accurate series of answers.
I want to know if the candidate himself could pass a grade school science exam before he gets to make calls on science policy. Even somebody who gets spoon-fed their information has to have enough basic awareness of the subject to know when he's hearing a line of crap from his advisers.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
NFL Cheerleaders are hot. Swimsuit models are hot. Girls in rap videos are hot.
Sarah Palin is not hot.
It breaks my pluginses, my precious!
Question #1: As president what will you do to ensure that our webserver doesn't die a fiery death when this article gets slashdotted?
does not at all have what McCain feels about science. It's just alot of "according to" or "on this date" or "this Reporter reported" There's absolutely nothing saying where he personally stands.
That which does not kill me only postpones the inevitable.
McCain must have had some help with this, we all know he doesn't use computers, doesn't know how to use e-mail and admittedly depends upon his wife for that. Talk about out of touch with the 21st Century. How is he ever supposed to become a Cybernetic Overlord? I mean really!
Vote Cthulhu 08
Why vote for a lesser evil when you can vote for a greater one!
proving once and and for all, John McCain is hopelessly outmoded.
He doesn't understand technology and never will. His administration will not have a sane technology policy. He will favor what industry tells him and set his policy according to industry lobbyists.
What a waste of glue holding that bag of bones together!
They're using their grammar skills there.
Seriously the standard of "hotness" is phenomenally low in US politics. We are talking here about someone who came 2nd in Miss Alaska (population 600,000) in a state where less than 50% of the people are female and isn't exactly known as the place where attractive people flock to. Hell this makes her less attractive than the 2nd most attractive person in DETROIT (population over 800k).
Never before has a media image of what you should think been so quickly accepted by people. Palin isn't hot, she isn't an ugly bird but she isn't a stunner. Lets concentrate on her madly insane political views (abstinence teaching working for you kids Mrs Palin?) and not listen to the media's view of attractive. Put it this way, do you think that Fox News would have her as an anchor? Of course not, a we know that hot is their only real criteria.
Hot in Alaska? Let put politics first.
On the other hand look at FRENCH politics if you want seriously hot politicians with incredibly well educated views.
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
I want to know if the candidate himself could pass a grade school science exam before he gets to make calls on science policy.
It would be nice if our leaders were superhuman and were experts on every facet of policy, but the reality is that no one can be an expert on everything. The point of politicians is *not* for them to personally write laws. You want them be to able to surround themselves with the right experts who will do the dirty work of creating policy.
So, particularly in this case, having an underling write the policy is probably closer to the reality of what you'll get than if the candidate was giving some off-the-cuff answers on what they don't understand to any level of depth.
Or to put it another way, do you also insist your candidates to be expert artists so they can evaluate the NEA? Or experts in education so they can *personally* get involved in writing standards? I could go on and on.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
No one believes politicians. Why should anyone believe them? From the city councillor to the President of the Benighted States, there is no punishment for incompetence or lying. If you bribe the right people, there's no punishment for crime, either. A pretty good game to play if you have cash and connections. Make billions for your circle, even if you kill millions of people in a far-away land where they don't even play baseball.
Political parties are organisms that thrive on cajolery and deception. They pick "leaders" but these leaders are really just pushed to the fore to take the spotlight away from the cunning monkeys behind the curtains writing the speeches and glad-handing the lobbyists. These leaders aren't really meant to change anything profound.
Civil servants also do their best to survive. Sometimes politicians and civil servants cooperate. Most of the time, it's a null hypothesis. Sometimes, you get a highly-motivated evil cretin in power and other evil cretins join in the convulsions. Then you have efficiency at the expense of freedom, justice, and maybe even life itself.
Listen to people everywhere speaking today. This is the age of Peter Pan. Everyone's a child, wanting other people to do the work and make the sacrifices and unwilling to grow up. Give me my ear-pod and home theatre with a screen full of high-definition retardation and don't ask me to learn about the world. Then I can spend all my time talking with my idiotic friends about about which plastic Hollywood dolls we would fuck if we had the opportunity... when we win the lottery.
And when we tire of that desperate chain of infantile hope and outright stupidity, we post on Slashdot. (o:
Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
The BBC science show Horizon is running a show tomorrow night in the UK about what the Presidential candidates think of science and what their policies are. Doesn't bode well since I found out that Palin is a creationist.
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Remember the 80s and the DEMOCRYTE-led PMRC? How soon we all forget. These agendas have NOT gone away.
Clinton, reportedly, has personally authored a total of two (that's 2, not 2000) e-mails in eight years in office. Certainly, McCain's wife could help her husband do as many — or more, as she wouldn't be distracted by neither her own senatorial and presidential ambitions nor by having to chase out the pretty interns.
As for McCain's being reluctant to type, maybe, the fact, that his arms were repeatedly broken by his Vietnamese torturers, has something to do with that? The man can't raise his hands above his shoulders — must you blast him for depending upon his wife to comb his hair?
Gee, if this were required qualifications for an executive office, certainly, the blind Governor of New York should be disqualified, because he can't drive and is thus "out of touch" with New York's horrific traffic congestion problems.
When repeating Obama's ads on other forums, check the expiration date — they get stale very quickly.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
In her interview with Charles Gibson, Sarah Palin claimed to have foreign policy experience because, "You can see Russia from Alaska." Is this true? Is Alaska so close to Russia that you can see it? From a world map we can see that the state of Alaska is indeed close to Russia. (Use Google Maps) They seem to be closest at the Seward Peninsula. But, both the peninsula and the part of Russia that it is opposite are snow covered mountainous regions that are separated by about 50 miles of the storm tossed Bering Strait. Not a likely invasion route. But since they are 50 miles apart how can you "see Russia from Alaska"? Well between the two peninsulas there are two islands Big Diomede and Little Diomede. Big Diomede is indeed owned by Russia and Little Diomede is part of Alaska, since they are separated by about 2 miles of ocean, you can indeed see one from the other. Little Diomede is 2.8 square miles and has a population of 146, mostly Native Americans who make their living from whaling and ivory carving. Not a tempting target for Russia. So where did Palin get the idea that Russia is such an immediate security threat to Alaska? Well, if you look at the Risk game board there is indeed a dotted line where you can move armies from Russian territory to Alaska. Is playing Risk where she really got her foreign policy experience?
Sex Education In a 2007 interview, Senator McCain said that sex education in the United States should follow President Bush's policy of abstinence-only education. HIV/AIDS McCain participated in ONE campaign's On The Record project. See Youtube (below). In a statement released by his campaign on Global Aids Day (December 1, 2007), McCain supported maintaining the United States commitment to fighting AIDS, writing: "It's critical that we face this crisis head-on, which is why I have consistently supported the most aggressive global AIDS program in the history of this pandemic, the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR). Afflicted nations with whom we partner to fight this disease must also know that we expect a level of governance, transparency and effectiveness from them in order to make the fullest use of AIDS assistance so we can make the greatest impact on people's lives. Our commitment must be sustained, and our nation must always be faithful to those at home and abroad as they cope with the ravages of HIV/AIDS."[3]
Wouldn't fighting AIDS be easier if people where at least aware that Condoms can be used to prevent the spread of STDs like AIDS? Isn't prevention much less expensive than treatment? Wouldn't any real effort to fight AIDS include more than "abstinence only" education? This is absurd. How could anyone take such a candidate seriously?
Prediction: The real iPhone killer is going to be sex robots from Japan. Think about it.
I think that is unrealistic. None of these people is going to govern in isolation if they are elected, so you might as well have the team that's behind them involved in the election process itself.
What matters in the leader is not their own expertise in any particular field, but the combination of their principles and their ability to apply those principles in the presence of expert advice. Other than in areas such as sudden military conflicts or unforeseen natural disasters, they will never have to do this in real time while in office, so why would you impose such a restriction on the campaign trail? If you do that, you just get the guy with the best sound-bites elected.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
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Saying the Democrats are not tied to the entertainment industry is about as ridiculous as saying that Republicans are not tied to the oil business. Let me break it down for you:
Democrats : Entertainment, Legal Services, Accounting, Education, Financial - Investment Banking, Software
Republicans : Manufacturing, Farming, Mining, Drilling, Financial - old Banking, Hardware
Just look at how the economy does when either party gets in. Clinton - farms, oil, commodities all crash, services takes off. Bush - services take a beating, but farms, oil, commodities in general take off, and manufacturing gets a boost.
Each party has its own commercial interests allied to it.
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A point of clarification: McCain and Obama submitted answers to ScienceDebate2008's 14 questions directly to Science Debate staff. We have a great relationship with SEforA, have benefited from it greatly and want to thank them for putting out the word on this. If the SEforA site is still down you can also view the answers to the questions at ScienceDebate2008.com as well as learn about who has been involved in the effort to bring McCain and Obama to the science table and answering these important questions. ~Erik Science Debate 2008 MN State Director
I wonder if one of the questions they asked had to do with whether the candidate thought it made any sense to submit an article to
Sigh.
Things will never get any better as long as we have either a Republican or a Democrat in power.
Are there really people who think either Obama or McCain will be any better at protecting people from the entertainment and technology bums who keep relying on bad copyright law to block competition and fair use?
Both Democrats and Republicans will always cave in to their big business buddies.
There is no hope at all until the 2-party system loses its stranglehold on politics.
He can't use a computer because he hurt his fingers while he was a POW, you insensitive clod! ...
Seriously, that's the excuse they're giving these days. That's what they said on FOX News, anyhow. Being a POW is like an all-purpose excuse for everything. He's completely disabled due to injuries, supposedly, but somehow still fit for the stressful job of being President.
Right. Maybe the challengers would answer the questions, but the incumbents won't. Why would they? 90% of them are in safe districts. All they need to do is file the proper paperwork to get their name on the ballot and they can coast to victory.
As said by McCain:
Suppose we do nothing, and we don't eliminate this $400 billion dependence we have on foreign oil. Some of that money goes to terrorist organizations and also contributes to greenhouse gas emissions. Then what kind of a world have we given our children?
Terrorists! Think of the Children! You don't... hate... children, do you?
The DMCA was SIGNED into law by Bill Clinton.
Both houses of the U.S. Congress passed the DMCA and the Bono Act by voice vote. Article I of the U.S. Constitution, which gives the procedure for a bill to become a law, requires 81 percent support to make a voice vote[1] but only 67 percent to override a presidential veto.[2] So had President Clinton vetoed either bill, the Congress would have easily overridden the veto. So I blame both major parties equally.
[1] From section 5: "the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal."
[2] From section 7: "if [the President does not approve] he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law."
You've hit the nail on the head as to what's wrong with the Political System.
Politicians tend to surround themselves with people that are "yes" men, and will get them re-elected. We no longer have cabinet members that argue, and debate why in public with the President (a quick way to get fired). Go read up on Alexander Hamilton, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson. These guys debated in public, in the newspapers all while serving in the _same administration_, and none of them agreed. They all were pretty much prima-donas and experts in their field.
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The GP is asking for grade school, not graduate school. It's not a very high standard.
"blah blah blah My guys can do no wrong blah blah blah, anyone who doesn't agree with me is irrevocably evil, as are all republicans ever blah blah blah"
Get a new schtick guy, ten years of the same Hillary-like screeching from you gets tiresome.
I guess it's a good thing you've got this echo chamber, god knows the real world thinks you're a kook.
Cue personal attack because he can't stand anyone disagreeing and will angrily shout down anyone who tries...
To quote LongNoi "QZTR was right and won't leave me alone because I called him a moron when I was wrong" FYS
What sort of business would invest in pure research, even WITHOUT governmental competition, while their shareholder just nod at the expense ? We are not speaking of a better mousetrap or a better pill for AIDS here, we are speaking of Hadron collider, Hubble, and whatnot. How can you pretend with a straight face that ANY business would invest a penny in such research with no hope whatsoever to get their investment back ? And without going overboard with big projects, look at the fundemental research like QM, spectroscopy, and so on. Please thniking company would invest in such research is borderline fanatism belief in "capitalism solve everything !"
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This sounds like McCain would support AT&T if they decided that all Google packets passing through their system would be slowed down to dial-up speeds unless Google paid them for the privilege of running at broadband speeds. So when you make a business, McCain feels you are entitled to make a profit on it? That sharply differs from my view that businesses have to earn their profits. Simply owning the pipe doesn't mean they've earned their profit, though it does give them a good opportunity to do so. (By giving users speedy Internet access for a monthly fee.)
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
It's been /.'d
"Expanding the number of people hired through HB-1 visas and allowing the Department of Labor to set HB-1 visa limit to be appropriate to the labor market conditions."
What? He wants to hrie more FORIEGN labor - he wants to keep is big business buddies lining their pockets at the expense of job loss in American.
We don't need offshore drilling! Both Republicans and Democrats have said it would take 7-10 years beofre one drop of gas would hit the pumps once they started.
What about electric cars? Well lets see you have to charge the battteries somehow right? How do you think they will get powered up. Yup by plants that generate electricity. Let see these are run by either Coal and ones that are Neuclear powered. First Coal ones aren't all that better for the environment than gas. Nuclear - well how do you dispose of all the spent uraniun/nuclear waste? No one watns it burried in their back yard.
Hello dumshits! How about Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles???? Why is it that so far I ahve only seen Honda and BMW with Hydrogen Fuel cell vehicles advertised. From what I have read Honda plans on having theirs ready for mass avaialblity in 2009.
Heck there is already a mass produced Hydrogen Fuel Cell RC car with it's own Hydrogen producing "fuel station".
http://www.thingsyouneverknew.com/product/code/84214.do?showPrevNext=false
Now are they trying to say they can't mass produce Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and setup "filling" stations for them in less than 7-10 years (the time they say it would take if they started off shore drilling to get one drop of gas to the pumps) (Both Republicans and Democrats have admitted this)??? Here we have a hydrogen fuel cell RC car with it's own "filling station". Then on the news this weekend they said how all these oil refineries were badly damaged by Ike and how gas was going to hit $5/gallon (it's already up there in Texas). Then Opec saying they are going to cut production again... You think people revolted at $4/gallon - wait until it's enmass at $5/gallon. Yet oil fell below $96/barrel....
This old $ucker and his George Bush like running make are NOT WORTHY of anyones vote! Neither in Obama/and what's his old @$$ face.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE - don't vote for either of these DORKS! Vote for ANY thrid party - show these pud pullers we are sick and tired of ther BS in washington and sick of the waste of human sperm cdandidates they keep feeding us!
The Truth is a Virus!!!
In the interests of giving McCain props where I think he should get them (even though I don't agree with him on most subjects):
Kudos to McCain for correctly identifying the glaring hole in the pro-life argument against embryonic stem cell research. The pro-life crowd will often argue that the embryos that stem cells are harvested from are humans and thus deserve a better fate than being used for research. They ignore the reality of the situation, however. Those frozen embryos are most likely going to be discarded/incinerated if they aren't used for stem cell research.
Which is a more dignified fate for the embryo? To be incinerated/tossed out like trashed? Or to be used in an attempt to save lives?
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
and what cabinet position would Steve Ballmer have? Secretary of Checking the President's Email?
McCain at Google
The GP is asking for grade school, not graduate school. It's not a very high standard.
That's what the GP asked for, but it's not what the GP meant. There are no fundamental policy issues that can be understood with a "grade school" science education. The issues of our day are extremely complex, and actually one of the things that drives me crazy, particularly on Slashdot, is the arrogant oversimplification of issues.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
"Establishing a 10% tax credit for research and development equal to 10% of wages spent on research & development."
Isn't that just a 1% tax credit for wages spent on research and development? 0.1 * 0.1 = 0.01.
well, there are worse things to worry about - I mean, Obama-Biden is awfully close to OsAMA BIn laDEN, so obviously there must be a tie-in (incidentally, the human-dinosaur thing with Palin was fake, too).
Personally, I'd prefer if neither would win (I have serious issues with both), but at this point the chances of a third party coming out of nowhere to take the election (much less one I agree with) is about nil, so we either get the first black President or the first female VP. I guess I make do, as always, and waste my vote again in another 4 years.
I believe we should expect candidates who ARE experts in at least one non-political field, AND who have a good grounding in many different subjects. This used to be called "Classical Education" and is entirely possible. (It is also something Plato argued was a prerequisite to having an actual democracy, rather than proxy dictatorship or anarchy.) I also believe you are correct in arguing they should be competent enough to know when to listen and who to listen to. This means recognizing real credentials and real experience, as opposed to rewarding celebrities or even just very skilled talkers. Not entirely sure how you'd quantify this, though.
Ideally, people should be barred from office or official adviser positions if they have lack intelligence, wisdom, education or respect for those who do in the subject they represent. True, this would eliminate 98% of the current political class and the remaining 2% would only just qualify for answering the phones. It would also eliminate all representation in the US for the percentage of the population who are Creationists, Fundamentalists, Flat Earthers or door-to-door salesmen, but I'm not convinced this would be a bad thing either.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Err...
getting electricity from a coal plant is most likely better than powering a car from gas. The coal plant can (I think) scrub it's own exhaust much better than a car. Also, the plant probably has efficiencies a car does not, simply from being huge.
Heck, I'm not sure!
I am sure that a hydrogen fuel cell doesn't create electricity from magic. The hydrogen has to be created somehow.... and it's probably made by zapping water with electricity to separate the hydrogen and oxygen. Possibly it's made by hydrogen farting little bacteria or somesuch.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a fuel cell car and a little hydrogen making station at my home. Well, actually I'd rather have an electric car and some supercapacitors for storage. Anyway, I'm only taking issue with your supposition that fuel cell autos are somehow better than full on electric cars because of electrical generation issues. They might be better because of current electrical storage in the car itself, but not because of the source of the electricity driving them.
Yes, I'm being a nitpicker. Yes, it's kind of lame. :D
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Does the test ask for the names of the different rock types and how they are formed, and for the names and descriptions of all the major cloud types?
Because I know I learned that in grade school, but I really couldn't pass a test about it now. Sorry; it's been too long and I don't use most of the general science I learned in grade school in my specialized science profession.
It doesn't hurt to be nice.
What is this?
Have gnu, will travel.
Then again, if I were to pick a presidential candidate to be an expert at ONE thing, it would probably be constitutional law. And a terminal degree in his/her chosen field wouldn't be a bad thing either.
An old-timer with old-timey ideas.
Soapbox alert!!
And make sure you can name the four layers of the Rain Forest! After all, that's critical knowledge if we're to save the Rain Forest.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
What part about wanting the *president* to have a 12th grade level science education is so fucking difficult?
There is a war going on for your mind.
> McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200806040002
Then why did he vote against so many bills that would've provided money for medical care? And seriously, there's got to be some kind of limit to how many things you can use the POW excuse for. Can you name even one fault of his that isn't allegedly due to his POW injuries? I'm happy to honor the man's service. But I think he cheapens the service of others by using it as a flimsy catch-all excuse. The other veterans don't deserve that.
I'm disgusted that McCain would cheapen the service of America's POWs by playing politics with their service.
> In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate's savviest technologist
Ahh, Forbes. The place that trumpeted SCO's technology claims. But let's counter that claim with facts, not implication.
For one, Ted "The Internet is not a Big Truck" Stevens is in charge of the Internet in Congress in case you've forgotten. Is that supposed to inspire confidence!? Being in charge of something in Congress doesn't prove you know anything. It proves that you have seniority.
McCain is also against Net Neutrality and other "prescriptive regulation," thinks Ballmer would make good tech policy, etc. That's NOT what I'd call a "savvy technologist."
I note that you're trying to make your case by implication (because of X, he SHOULD know about Y), rather than citing anything specific that he knows. This is a common rhetorical trick, but it won't work on me. The more you rely on inference than direct evidence, the weaker I know your claims are.
Then again, if I were to pick a presidential candidate to be an expert at ONE thing, it would probably be constitutional law.
Unfortunately, that means you get an expert on the *law* regarding the constitution, and it's the lawyers that have done a lot of the damage to the constitution. The whole function of a lawyer is to bend the law to fit the desires of whoever is paying them.
I think what you really want is an expert on constitutional *history*, if that's what your priority really is. It's the first principles and idealism of the constitution that's really important.
Sometimes it's best to just let stupid people be stupid.
Obama's platform is:
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And McCain's platform is:
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Frankly, I'd rather have too many connections than an inability to fetch information!
Vote Obama!
If you can't get the SEforA site to load go to ScienceDebate2008.com McCain and Obama sent their answers in response to the 14 Science Debate quesitons. The answers are posted there side by side for comparison. I keep checking the site and it loads pretty well right now.
You can't see Russia from Wasilla or Anchorage or Juneau. It's like saying you can see Indiana or Ohio from New York City. The only place in Alaska where you can actually see a small (very small!) chunk of Russia is from the Bering strait (~50 km). Claiming you can see the actual Russia from anywhere in Alaska is a plain lie and shows how little these folks know about geography. Besides, It's not that you see the real Russia from Alaska anyway. As many Russian commentators said, that part is a chunk of ice. The place in Russia where the power, the economy sits is in a different timezone. But I am sure Alaskans know that.
"This rationale was proposed, and discredited, over 150 years ago. Trade secrets are notoriously hard to keep, as the poster JesseMcDonald points out."
Oh really? Pop quiz time then....
Name the 12 secret herbs and spices in Original recipe KFC, and their proportions therein.
Chicken Grease Salt!
Bow-ties are cool.
Do you think that anybody gets to be a congressman, senator, governor or a general without having a grade school knowledge of all grade school subjects?
A portion of McCain's response to the "Innovation" question: "Under my guiding hand, Congress developed a wireless spectrum policy that spurred the rapid rise of mobile phones and Wi-Fi technology that enables Americans to surf the web while sitting at a coffee shop, airport lounge, or public park." Isn't this along the same line as Al Gore's quote, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."
tl;dr version
McCain: Stem Cells bad, you kill baby, no kill baby. Why science want to eat baby? No care if you sick.
Obama: Stem Cells good, only use already dead baby, not live baby. We watch them, make sure they not eat your babys. You not have to be sick.
Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master.
Two examples:
(1) Obama wants to improve science, technology, engineering and mathematics (STEM) education by broadening its scope beyond just science and engineering majors:
All American citizens need high quality STEM education that inspires them to know more about the world around them, engages them in exploring challenging questions, and involves them in high quality intellectual work. STEM education is no longer only for those pursuing STEM careers; it should enable all citizens to solve problems, collaborate, weigh evidence, and communicate ideas.
whereas McCain sees science as being for geeks only. He wants more geeks, so the rest of the country don't have to bother their pretty heads while getting law and business degrees:
The diminishing number of science, technology, engineering and math graduates at the college level poses a fundamental and immediate threat to American competitiveness. We must fill the pipeline to our colleges and universities with students prepared for the rigors of advanced engineering, math, science and technology degrees.
(2) Obama sees technology leadership as being essential to national security:
It's essential to create a coherent new defense technology strategy to meet the kinds of threats we may faceâ"asymmetric conflicts, urban operations, peacekeeping missions, and cyber, bio, and proliferation threats, as well as new kinds of symmetric threats.
whereas McCain sees national security as essentially just military superiority:
As President, I will strengthen the military, shore up our alliances, and ensure that the nation is capable of protecting the homeland, deterring potential military challenges, responding to any crisis that endangers American security, and prevailing in any conflict we are forced to fight.
For more contrasts, see my blog post
Personally, I'd like them to be able to answer questions like, "What is the Bush Doctrine?"
Especially if they're Republican.
It's sad the the media isn't focusing more on Palin's extremist views (& piss-poor record), since of the two she's the one much more to be scared of, not just because McCain is old enough for possible succession to be an issue, but also because he's already reversed himself to agree with her on a number of issues (off-shore drilling, etc), so her views apparently trump his.
As far as Palin and science/etc:
- She's a creationist, and advocates teaching it in schools
- Up until two years ago (when she became govenor) she was a Pentacostalist for 20+ years, and still has contact with the church. Does she speak in tongues and handle snakes? Who knows, but she's apparently comfortable hanging out with people who do.
- She is totally against abortion under ANY circumstances (science would at least distinguish between prior/after the development of the nervous system, brain, etc), incuding in cases of rape and incest (science tells us that incest is likly to result in genetic abnormalities).
- She is against sex education and believes teaching abstinace as an alterntive(!). Not coincidently her teenage daugter is pregnant by some dimwit who's myspace page is full of "F" bombs and states he doesn't want kids
- While mayor of bumfuck, Alaska (pop. 5000), her only experience prior to becoming govenor two years ago, she fired the local librarian for refusing to remove books that Palin found offensive. Later, after protests, she was forced to reinstate her. As a self-professed "hockey mom" she also ignored requests to improve the town library and instead built a multi-million dollar pro-sized hockey rink. Not very science friendly to be anti-education/library.
- Her record in Alaska has been that she fires those who disagree with her, and instead surrounds herself with "yes" men. Doesn't want anyone near her more experienced who'll show her up.
- etc, etc
Oh, and despite her breezy "yeah! fer sure!" recent interview answer to the question of whether she would be qualified to be president and commander in chief in the event that happened, she herself is on record as noting that her prior job as mayor was so simple ("only $6M and 5000 people") that it didn't even need any experience (convenient as she didn't have any).
I wish the Dems had a stronger ticket, but at least it's not downright scary as hell like McCain/Palin. The last thing the USA needs is another 4 or 8 years of being run by people who make decisions based on whacky religious/gut beliefs rather that facts.
Like I said, ten years of the same.
I do find it ironic that you cry like a baby about strawmen (and you can't find one you fucking liar, I assigned NO arguments of any kind to anyone, so you're either using a word you don't understand or are lying) when that's pretty much your entire argument style.
And I'm not even going to bother pointing out that you attacked me exactly like you have anyone who disagrees with you for ten years.
Thanks for proving you're everything I said you are, I'm going to go back to improving myself, you keep screeching the same tired crap to your echo chamber.
And last, "hall of mirrors" doesn't even make any sense you idiot.
To quote LongNoi "QZTR was right and won't leave me alone because I called him a moron when I was wrong" FYS
*goes to check out the questions*
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Well there's your problem.
Does anyone know where I can find them?
I think that is unrealistic. None of these people is going to govern in isolation if they are elected, so you might as well have the team that's behind them involved in the election process itself.
Palin's record in Alaska has been that she fires people who disgree with her, and instead surrounds herself with "yes" men, so "team Palin" is in fact exactly the same as "just Palin". McCain apparently either wan't aware of this or approves of it (not sure which is worse), so I wouldn't get your hopes up that they'll suddenly get all executive and surround themselves with the best talent available.
No child was taught about sex-education. Take the foot out of your mouth and come back in four years.
Thank you. Next question, please!
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Here is why I I supported Bush. (I don't mention there, that I strongly dislike Socialists and any talk of "income redistribution" — because it was not Bush-specific.)
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Unless you believe Bush was in the office of every bank in America signing Mortgages for more than people could afford, he didn't "break" the economy. The truth is the president has limited control of the economy. I bet most of us work for companies that have CEO's that have MUCH more effect on the economy than a President.
Bush did, however, inherit a real recession (I say "real" since we have not had one since). His tax cuts fixed Clinton's high taxes.
You do realize, of course, that once elected all presidents farm out this crap to underlings and advisors? You should take a look at the answers and decide if the underlings have a clue because they will likely have a hand in implementing policy. It never ceases to amaze me that people firmly believe the President actually makes up all the policy decisions by himself. And, perhaps more scarily, that people would actually -want- the President to try to do so.
It's funny that McCain dances around an answer and Obama lines out the methods in which he hopes to achieve his goals. One blows the typical smoke the other seems to have thought some of this through.
if the candidate himself could pass a grade school science exam before he gets to make calls on science policy
No need to be an expert... just needs to be able to tell if someone is selling him crap and calling it gold, or if they really are an expert. To do that, the candidate needs to know at least the basics.
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Carly Fiorina severly damaged Hewlett-Packard as its CEO, and has been campaigning for McCain ever since HP fired her.
With that kind of endorsement, America's tech industry should fear McCain as Fiorina's choice for president.
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"Listen, I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops ..."
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
Not surprised. McCain's made no secret of his desire to have Steve Ballmer in his cabinet. Ballmer himself probably put those words right in McCain's mouth
Product Placement reaches new lows
Sorry about the writing. Robot fingers, you know? Cliff Steele in DOOM PATROL #23
turks, japanese, africans, almost entire middle east, and even some russians.
basically he has the approval of the world.
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Nevertheless, I think as a leader of the country, you should be able to pass at least "Physics 101", "Economy 101", "Biology 101", you should have some understanding of international relations, possibly even military strategy, for crying out loud.
I think it is NOT asking for too much to require the leaders of your country to have at least a basic grasp of the topics they will have to deal with on a daily basis.
Even more importantly, though, would be a similar requirement on the people before they can vote. That way, they are less likely to base their 'voting decision' on crap like cheap demagoguery, the way people look or how funny they are, if they are a "mom like me" (puke!), etc.
Wait, am I asking for educated voters? Sorry, my bad...
McCain accused Obama of teaching about sex. Not about sex-education , as you, amazingly, continue to repeat! Sorry, kid, you aren't qualified to talk on an adults' forum.
Adults don't quibble semantics to weasel out of addressing a valid point when it's obvious what he meant. Only high school debate club kids who are far too impressed with the form of their arguments to care about the substance of the other side's do that kind of childish, "but that's not what you said" flouncing about.
Do you honestly feel that that's an intellectually honest way to address the other poster's point, or do you just have such open disrespect for rational discourse that you don't care?
Now, feeling charitable, I'll explain, that one simply can not teach about "sexual predators" without also mentioning "sex" in some way (and answering related questions from curious toddlers).
McCain's ad was an out and out lie. You can teach little kids about "bad touches" without explaining to them why those touches feel bad or why adults would be interested in touching them in bad places.
I mean, did no one teach you as a kid (a) not to take candy from strangers, (b) not to get in a car with a stranger, or (c) to tell an adult if someone touched you in a place that made you feel bad? Did anyone explain to you why they were telling you those things -- that every one of those was about keeping kids away from sexual predators and their (a) temptations, (b) abductions, and (c) molestation?
Geez, it's like some people want to believe the other side is so full of rotten and evil people that they throw all common sense and past experiences out the window to keep themselves ideologically "pure."
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
and what cabinet position would Steve Ballmer have?
McCain's temper is even more notorious than Ballmer's. So it would be poetic justice if Ballmer's title started with "Chair of the ..."
I think you are implying that the DMCA "extended copyright terms." That is not correct, at least not in the way that poster intended. The term of a copyright was extended at an earlier time (I want to say the most recent time was in the 1980s), when Democrats were in control of Congress. Then, when the DMCA was passed by (a Republican) Congress, a Democrat president (Clinton) signed it into law.
So both statements WERE true.
The original FNMA organization was split in 2: GNMA and FNMA. GNMA was and is fully backed by federal guarantee. FNMA became a Government Sponsored Enterprise. This meant that people assumed (correctly as it turns out) that the government will back the FNMA bonds. Thus, FNMA was able to use much higher leverage than the private loan issuers and enjoyed a low borrowing rate. The FNMA stock holders benefited until this year. The leveraged portfolio and loan guarantees are the risks that the federal government is taking on now. However, up to this point, FNMA is NOT losing significant amount of money yet. The fear is on future losses.
In contrast, GNMA remained small and is in no danger at all. One more case of a federal program that is working fine.
OK, first let me say I'm a Barack Obama supporter. I just sent Obama what (for me) is a pretty big donation.
But I don't have to demonize McCain just because I think he'll be a lousy president. There's lots of people in the country who are OK where they are, but would be lousy presidents. Practically everybody.
So, give the guy a break here. He never learned to use email because his arms got so messed up in the Hanoi Hilton he can't use a keyboard.
I don't give this guy a POW get out of jail free on things like his tax plan (bad), his proposing to put a creationist a heartbeat away from the Presidency (bad), or his flip flopping on offshore drilling (pretending this will make us the kind of power Saudi Arabia has over oil prices -- bad). But on this one, he gets a POW get out of jail card.
In any case, it wouldn't matter if his arms were fine. Give me somebody who understands the economy and values human and civil rights and understands the Constitution. Then I won't care if he uses white out on his computer screen.
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Not surprised. McCain's made no secret of his desire to have Steve Ballmer in his cabinet.
Also would like to point out that one of McCain's top advisors has been Carly Fiorina. At one time she was rumored as a possible VP candidate pick, and she quite possibly would end up with some official position in a McCain presidency.
While my dislike for Fiorina is personal (as she downsized/outsourced my uncle together with much of the department he was part of), it is safe to say she was the most divisive and hated CEO of HP in the company's history, thanks to her combination of ruthlessness and avarice (Fox News loves her, however).
A: "Wut?"
We live, as we dream -- alone....
and just to be clear, I'm not trying to demonize McCain. I'm trying to humiliate him in a public forum.
Stephen Hawking writes on a computer.
An interesting anagram of "BANACH TARSKI" is "BANACH TARSKI BANACH TARSKI"
I'm responding to you to undo a mis-moused moderation: I modded you down when I meant to mod you up. Sorry about that.
Although there's a certain irony, or something, that a moment of horribly uncoordinated computing occur on this little sub-thread...
Yes, but that's also the easiest way for Hawking to communicate. If Hawking could speak, I'd bet he'd have somebody typing for him rather than tapping out his words using his cheek. Then, presumably, you'd be criticizing Hawking for not being a computer user.
If you're going to argue by analogy, at least pick and analogous analogy.
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Do you understand what that implies? It means that everything is more expensive so people can't afford the luxuries anymore and have to buy the necessities to keep living.
Yes, you are right. But, here's the deal... there's two billion more people, at least, sharing the world's commodities, essentially doubling demand over the last decade or so and into the next. Therefor, if commodity production does not increase, the prices surely must. As it turns out, we have peak oil, and, if you really looked at coal, you would see that the better grades of coal have in fact peaked, as has natural gas. There's only so much arable land and to a certain extent agriculture depends on the availability of energy, so yes, it has.
Of course the dollar is weaker, there are more people buying stuff and more powers with more money, so you go from being the only major international currency to one of several.
Neither currency competition or rising global demand are forces that Obama can control or even put back in the bag. What is he going to do, tell the Chinese to starve or the Europeans to bail on the Euro.... oh yeah, if you think Bush is unpopular abroad, either of those moves would make Obama genuinely hated.
The way out, of course, is to have more energy and more commodities production....the demand is there, for sure, to support it, but NIMBY in the west and the environmental movement essentially doom those efforts. Therefor, since we can't manufacture, can't drill, can't use newer industrial farming techniques, to satisfy environmental concerns, then yes, higher prices for commodities are the norms for now and in the future.
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Eh?
(1) Yes, it was forty years ago. That's a long time not being able to do things like comb your hair. If he's not comfortable on a keyboard, I'm OK with that.
(2) Not being a user doesn't preclude understanding the economic and strategic technology issues. If he had spent the last ten years working a help desk, it wouldn't make him one wit more ready to be president.
(3) That's clearly an exaggeration.
I'm sorry. I'm quite comfortable in my belief McCain has the temperament to be a good president, I don't feel the need to gild the lily, especially if the material we're gilding with is BS.
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Wrong, here is some more info on this.
I'm quite comfortable in my belief McCain would not be a good president. Being a POW should get you a parade, not a free pass on an election.
Seriously, I really don't care what McCain thinks as opposed to Palin. If I were a gambling man, I would place 50% of this years income on the fact that McCain dies in the first two years of office... of OLD AGE or something of the sort.
I regularly believe that after Bush, the republican party figured that they had so little chance of actually getting a 3rd consecutive term, the put up a candidate that might get them in, but decided not to waste their candidates on a "might". They can afford to wait 4 years in between terms.
What's even better is, they popped Palin into the equation, a nobody from frigging Alaska. Seriously... I mean I'm just waiting to hear something like : "Mrs. Palin, tell us what you think about Senator Barrack", "I think it's so sweet that the democrats put a nigger up as a candidate. We used to have a bunch of them on the plantation in the old days. It's really helped me get in touch with the pan faces in Alaska, and remember the pan faces are all pillow biters too".
The only reason I can think of that the republicans would choose her as their first female presidential candidate is that this way, when they loose, they'll have an excuse for the next hundred years to say "We tried to get a woman into the White House, it went REALLY wrong for us. We'll try again someday, but the important thing is we get in, and we can't get the voters".
It's called self deprecating humor. It's like when Biden notes he isn't as pretty as Sarah Palin.
I think McCain can be called to task over the way he's run his 2008 campaign. This particular "issue" is just phony, like the one about his supposedly crashing five jets.
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Boy, you can really tell these questions were created by a bunch of no-imagination engineers and science-types, can't ya? The way they are worded, it would be surprising if you actually GOT a straight answer.
Next time, let's try something like this:
1. Net Neutrality: For or Against?
2. Global warming is, if not caused by, then accelerated by, human activity. Don't you know this?
3. Swear on the Holy Bible that nobody in your administration will ever, EVER, in any way shape or form, tamper with the findings of government scientists.
4. Do you support the teaching of unintelligent design? If so, explain why the Flying Spaghetti Monster story of creation is not equally valid.
Etc.
Looking at the policy, where is he going to come up with the money for all the tax breaks?
With a roughly $400 billion deficit in the budget, how is reducing personal taxes, reducing corporate taxes, tax breaks on vehicles, and tax breaks on corporate R&D ever going to make for a moderately balanced budget? All this while saber rattling and having your VP talk about butting heads with Russia.
The things I'm most concerned about are net neutrality and the IP issues. To most techies, he's on the wrong side of that fight.
Then you must do a thing that no american could ever consider doing, learn about the rest of the world.
Geez, god. Ever heard of Blair? That is a popular guy in britain. The US had Ronald "howdee dodey" Reagan, britain had MadCow Thatcher.
The netherlands? We had "do nothing" Kok, and "if you don't vote for the new EU constitution it will start WW3" Balkende, a guy who nobody likes and only got into power because the popular guy got killed.
France had so choose between the crook and the fascist. Italy keeps re-electing Berlusconie, a guy so corrupt the mafia thinks he should clean up his act.
Frankly, democracy is in trouble. We are no longer comfortable with just letting the powers that be run our lives for us on the understanding that for the right to tell us how to run our lives, they leave us alone. That system is a bit hard to understand unless you actually understand human beings. Remember the age when Rome told catholics not to have sex outside marriage. All catholics agreed with that, just didn't follow it.
But now we want our leaders to actually do what we want them to do except we have no idea what we want them to do and no clue how to tell if they are telling what we want them to do.
Democracy, as we have it, just doesn't work. You can't vote for one guy, who somehow got into a position to be elected and then have him work for you. Doesn't work, you are just one voter but he owes allegiance to all those who backed his rise.
Further, all the voters for that one guy have different agenda's, with just the one popularity vote, who is to say what all those voters REALLY want. Even in the netherlands with dozens of parties there is not a single party that I completely agree with.
The best alternative would be to go purely referendum. Bring up each issue for a vote and work with that. Problem, the existing parties don't like that people can then vote against their policies. See the EU problems with getting the new constitution accepted. ALL political parties said yes. The voters ALWAYS said NO. Big embarresment and happily avoided the second time around by not listening to those pesky voters (the referendum is still a no-vote in holland, but there bill has been changed, so now they don't need a new vote because the voter didn't agree the first time so they surely agree this time)
If that doesn't make sense, well that is politics.
So be ashamamed of Bush and Reagan and the like, but other countries ain't doing any better. Frankly, the current system will never bring forward the honest and competent. An honest politician would never get elected because he would tell you the truth. You don't get popular with the truth.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
[government inefficiency is] why the astronauts didn't use a pencil, right?
Pencils make graphite dust, which doesn't settle in orbit.
the trash in administration as of now have weakened your country in every aspect of international relations to the extent that everyone hates you unanimously. as a result all your positions ranging from military alliances to trade relations suffered.
mccain, is more of the same crap.
with obama, you have the chance to prove youre a good neighbor. nobody likes bad neighbors.
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he would do a very good planetary president, or un general secretary.
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the stupid paranoia you employ in u.s. towards other ethnicities or countries, do not exist elsewhere in the world. at least not in the psychopath form you have in the u.s.
each country in this small planet are neighbors of each other. rest of the world wants GOOD NEIGHBORS. nobody likes a bad neighbor. think of your neighborhood and what kind of person you would want to see there.
bush was a bad neighbor. mccain, is not even a neighbor, he is probably not for long on this world. one foot in the grave. if he lived, he would be a stupid, and a bad neighbor. the hag he has in his ticket, is worse. a religious version of a crazy cat lady.
we dont want that kind of shit. we want people who are REASONABLE, who knows to talk, who we can trade with, and ally with.
choice is yours. world can do well without united states - there is eu now, and there are southeastern asian economies. a lot of economies are emerging in africa.
you can either join in with the rest of us and prosper together, or you can elect a dead man and a religious hag and isolate yourselves. your country, your call.
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Hear hear!
Looking at their answers to the Global Warming hoax, it's clear that BOTH intend to destroy the economy to deal with this non-problem.
Of course, both contradict this when they answer the very next question . Nothing new for a politician.
Since both are promising to do the impossible, I, too, shall be voting for Barr this year.
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